>> thank you very much, thank you, everyone. appreciated. the news continues. thankfully, the source with kaitlan collins starts. now see you tomorrow straight from the source tonight, dr. anthony fauci is here fresh off a contentious hearing before congress and off the rails circus really are one republican told him, he belongs in prison for crimes against humanity they'll respond live in moments also the sitting president son is now on trial and we now have a jury will decide hunter biden's fete, a gun purchase, and an addiction to drugs. >> is that the center of this case but it could very well turn into a soap opera. we taught you here, who's on the potential? witness list donald trump's latest, please use facing the potential of prison and just a few weeks from now when that sentencing hearing happens, he's now calling on the supreme court to step a bid while president biden for the first time is calling trump, a convicted felon, i'm kaitlin collins, and this is the source he's either a hero or villain, depending on who you ask in an era of extreme division and hyper-partisanship dr. anthony fauci, who became the face of america's response to the covid pandemic. >> went before congress today for the first time since, for hiring from government service two years ago for perhaps his final showdown with republicans over mask mandates, vaccine guidelines in the origins of covid-19 things quickly went from tents, too emotional too chaotic exhibit a, georgia congresswoman, marjorie taylor greene de represent science. mr. fauci? yes or no? no. that's not a yes or no. yes. it's a yesterday. this is science what is dogs have to do with anything that we're talking about today is your scientific experiments. you're not dr. your, mr. fauci and my few minutes, he belongs in suspend. >> i've instructed her to address him as doctor july address. doctor. >> is this what we have become? is this what we have devolved into? >> we should be writing a criminal referral because you should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity. you belong in prison. dr. fauci prosecuted for crimes against humanity. of course, whether you agree with dr. fauci or not, he has served his country for more than half a century in public service he was the nation's top infectious disease expert he's advised seven us presidents from both parties and of course he famously worked on the federal response to aids, but also a bola, the zika virus. anthrax scares. and also, as we all know covid, there should be questions about what happened given more than 1 million americans died during that the pandemic. and there are what could have been done differently, how could we, as a country have saved more lives? public officials should be held to account. we can all agree to that but fact-finding can and should be done with some level of decency dr. fauci and his family are still receiving death threats, meaning they still require a security even to this day they have been credible death threats leading to the arrests of two individuals and credible death threats mean someone who clearly was on their way to kill me this much more troublesome because they've involved my wife and my three daughters at this moment. how do you feel keep her micah terrible am i source tonight is dr. anthony fauci himself and dr. >> fauci, it's great to have you on tonight. i mean it was a remarkable day on capitol hill and obviously, you're not a stranger to testifying before congress or even pretty contentious here. brains, but i just wonder how today compares to the other times that you've been up on capitol hill, testify before lawmakers well, as you know, caitlin, thank you for having me. >> i have testified literally hundreds of times over the last 40 years, over congress. and there's always been differences of opinion, differences of audiology criticisms, and things like that. >> but the level of vitriol that we see now just in the country in general. >> but actually played out during this hearing was really quite unfortunate because the purpose of hearings or to try and figure out how we can do better so that next time if and when we all faced with a pandemic we'd be better prepared and we could benefit if mistakes were made, we identify them and we try to correct them for the future that's not what we saw today as shown by the clip you showed with marjorie taylor greene. i mean, that was nothing about trying to to do better. unfortunately. >> and you testified there at the end about the threats that you and your family are still getting even to this day and for those who don't know that was your wife, christine, who was esteemed in her own rights, sitting behind you there. i just wonder if you ever thought that you would still be getting threats like that, credible threats against your life. even now, two years out of government service it's very interesting. >> it's a patent pattern kaitlan, that whenever somebody gets up, whether it's a news media fox news, does it a lot, or it's someone body in the congress who gets up and makes a public statement that i'm responsible for the deaths of x number of people because of policies. okay. some crazy idea that i created the virus immediately. >> you could like clockwork, the death threats, go way up so that's the reason why i'm still getting death threats when you have performances like that unusual performance by marjorie taylor greene. in today's hearing, those are the kind of things that drive up the death threats because there are a segment of the population out there that believed that kind of nonsense. >> were you aware that sitting behind you today, we have them highlighted right now on the screen. but but that person that's brandon fellows, he's actually january 6, defendant, who was removed from the hearing later on and as he was leaving, i don't know if you could hear him, but we heard him on camera shouting that that he believed also that you belong in prison. did you hear that i didn't hear it, but it was brought to my attention before and there was also someone behind me. >> i don't know if it was the same person who was identified as someone who just got out of jail for being arrested for the january three sixth attack on the capitol. now, what somebody like that doing at a hearing about covid i mean, it was it was remarkable just to see who was in that room today and to hear what they were how they were responding to it, and obviously that hearing room was not the haven for what it was supposed to be about the genuine dialogue about how the government handled covid-19, how to be better prepared for the next inevitable pandemic. >> and so i do want to ask you about that tonight. and i do wonder, do you still believe that the evidence that you've seen does point to covid originating from animals as opposed to by humans in a lab kaitlan, as i said at the hearing. >> and then they transcribed interview. you have to keep an open mind since there is no definitive proof, one way or the other, it's one or the other. when i i look at the scientific evidence, i don't see any evidence that's concrete at all that it's a lab leak, even though a lot of people talk about it, i still think it's a possibility, but i haven't seen any evidence where there is reasonably good evidence, not definitive. that is suggestive, strongly suggestive that it came from a natural reservoir of an animal jumping into humans, having that, i repeat, i still keep an open mind because the definitive proof is not there. but in my mind it weighs more heavily of one than the other. >> what obviously a huge issue with this was a lack of accountability in working with the chinese his government on this. i mean, they were evading attempts to try to figure out what happened here. and given that, you testified, tell you said that neither you nor anyone can account for everything that happens inside of china. but i wonder what that means for american research dollars that go there and whether you think that means none of them should be sent there, that they should try to limit them. how should that happen? going forward kaitlan, if you look at the history going back decades of collaborations with chinese scientists, we're not talking about chinese officials were talking about china any scientists who've collaborated with the european union, with the united states, with canada, with australia. a lot of very good important science that has contributed to global health has come from collaborations with the chinese now, obviously because of the tension that's gone wrong on right now, that's changed a bit. >> and i hope it gets back to normality where there can be mutual benefit of inter elaborate international collaboration among sciences. the way it's been for decades. this is just very recent. this degree of tension that we're seeing. >> yeah, the other thing that came up today was focused on the us and how a deputy of yours at it the'90s age bragged about evading federal records laws and deleting emails to where they couldn't be produced to reporters people, members of the public, hoover, requesting them. and you talked about this, but what changes do you believe the nih should make to ensure that these open records request which which we believe are fundamentally important or not purposefully obstructed by officials yeah. well, first of all, kaitlan, let me say that the individual who did that was wrong. that is unexcused, able inappropriate. and that is not the way things go with the nih. that is an outlier and not typical at all of the hundreds, if not thousands a very hard working committed people at the national institutes of health so i hope that the public and the audience doesn't realize or doesn't come to the conclusion if i might say that one single person who did something that is totally unacceptable and very inappropriate, that that is reflective of the thousands of people who are doing their job and are committed to the health of this country and so what should be done differently? >> i mean, because there is a concern that people see that and you say it's it was an outlier, but there's a concern that it does diminish trust and really in public health overall, obviously at a time when it's needed the money most well, i'm not sure what you can do. kaitlan. it is it is not appropriate and it's in fact illegal and a violation of regulations to mess with public records that are official business records. and that was done and that's unfortunate but that happens when one person does something that's inappropriate and wrong. i said, i'm not sure what kind of correction we're talking about except to say that that is by no means typical of the conduct of the large, large numbers of people who work at the nih yeah. >> and overall, i mean, the the what i think people would like to walk away from a hearing like today is to see bipartisanship given scientists do say it's inevitable that we'll see another pandemic depending on when that is and from where you sit right now as a country, are we prepared to deal with another pandemic and your view? i think we have a ways to go. >> i mean, i think we've made some missteps along the way. i think there's some systemic issues that need to be addressed. i mentioned it at the hearing today that are association and connectivity between the local public health issue choose and the central cdc and other public health issues. there isn't the kind of real-time connectivity the cdc's aware of that. and they're trying to correct that. and i think the kinds of things we saw was a weakness at the public health implementation we did extremely well from the scientific standpoint. the investment of decades of research led to a vaccine in 11 months, which is unprecedented in the history of vaccinology, that has resulted in the saving of millions of lives. so when it comes to the science, we did well, we've got to do better at the public health health level. >> dr. anthony fauci. 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and that's true, but i think a lot of the gun owners or who have familiarity with that, we'll say, well, i filled out the application. it's pretty simple. i didn't lie. i didn't make mistakes. so, you know that could backfire against them. but keep in mind the parties got the journalist last week so it wasn't like this was all new information today. they've had about four or five days four days probably to research the jurors. that is probably a little bit more going on behind the scenes again, that once again, because it's high-profile case. we don't know the names of the jurors, but i think there's more than meets the eye here. >> yeah. and i mean, we look at juror number four, if for example two, we're not as point of a lot of these jurors were connected to the issues that are at the heart of this case, and juror number four, it's a woman who when she was asked about her views on drugs and gun ownership, she said that people who smoke weed should be allowed to own firearms, saying it's not as bad as drugs like heroin, that was the quote from jury number for chagrin, our father and brother own guns that we have others who talk about a guy who said that he is a licensed to carry a concealed firearm is three pistols. he said he believes the second amendment is very important and that every law fighting citizen that follows the law should be able to have their second amendment mean this is a very interesting jury pool that's going to be considering these major questions. >> yeah, so prosecutors tend to want law-abiding people, right? people who follow the law, because you want them to listen to the judge's instructions. you want them to be the sort who just would never break the law themselves? but it's just, it's very tough here because these conservative people who are all in for the second amendment right? what anyone, for any reason can have a gun there shouldn't be any restrictions whatsoever. those are going to tend to be your more right-wing people who might not, like hunter biden. so it's a little bit at cross purposes here. it's hard to predict what the jury will do with this was a very i think a very, very tough jury selection for that reason. now, keep in mind delaware probably is. let's call it 80% or no, probably 60%, democrat, 20% republican it gets more red as you go down the state wilmington draws from the entire state. so there are some people that have to drive 100 miles to get to the courthouse and the court will typically in those situations, put them up and hotel to keep them on, but it's a very mixed bag. >> yeah. and obviously this trial is expected to be much shorter than the one we just covered that was six weeks. i wonder if you're the defense if you're a hunter biden's attorneys and you're looking at juror number one. she says that she's a sister who is recovering drug addict who served time and deller a state prison for convictions on drug offenses and credit card fraud. she talked to her sister being clean. that's a profile that they're looking at because this is something they've emphasized here, which is what hunter biden himself has been pretty frank about. which is his own past addiction and issues. yeah. well, they want people that are going to understand that, understand his mindset, understand how he might have thought he was through his addiction. but remember the question wasn't just addiction. the question was, are you a user or an addict? i mean, i think the government is going to be focusing on the user portion, but let me just say one other thing. it is jury three d selection. so these are the jurors we have, but they really weren't picked. it's really that you've got rid of people who are probably much worse that's fascinating i mean, it's we all know so much as a broader public, obviously this is your job, to learn so much about how this jury selection works. >> it just seemed similar to me actually to the trunk jury selection where there were some people coming in and who had strong opinions of president biden that were dismissed from the jury. and you it reminded me of what todd blanche was saying last week talking about how a lot of the jurors left when they were asked if they have strong opinions about, about foreign president trump. >> yeah. >> i mean, obviously no one's is famous as donald trump and everyone in the world knows who he is. but in delaware where the bidens are famous, right? everybody knows the family. joe biden spin an elected official there since 1971 or something. so it's not the same as the trump's situation, but in delaware, pretty much everyone knows who they are and is likely to have opinions even if it's only based on just their democrats. and i'm a republican or i'm a democrat. so like them, we've talked to abbe lowell by a hunter biden's attorney. i just want to play a quick soundbite of something he said to me in his last interview, you're on the source you have the former president trying to use hunter biden as a way to excuse his own conduct at some point that could pierce the noise could actually be so noisy that get in the way of the facts and the law i'm confident that a responsible prosecutor would not let that happen, and we'll just have to wait and see will they have trouble defending this given a hunter biden nearly took a plea deal and also has written about this in his book that was where a lot of this came from. >> he acknowledged that he was taking drugs at the time of this dude bought this gun. >> luck, abbe lowell was the real deal. >> he has a great criminal defense attorney. he pulls off some miracles. i think he has it's a very tough road ahead of him with this case, but we'll see i think probably if i were doing this jury selection, again, i would probably focus on the politics coming right off the heels of donald trump. i be looking at the hardcore republicans on the defense, trying to get rid of them, were not as to build to her rodgers. obviously, we have several weeks of this to go and we will be watching it all and coverage think it all very closely up next to speaking of the president, there are some searing words i'm him tonight about his predecessor and also his upcoming challenger. two words in particular we have heard from president biden, convicted felon we have schreiber and good night. >> cnn. >> what the biggest companies the liver is an exceptional customer experience. what makes it possible is unmatched connectivity and biji solution from t-mobile for business, t-mobile connects 100,000 delta airlines employees powers tractor supplies, stores nationwide with reliable fight jeep is this internet and partners with pga of america on game changing in a venture this is how business goes further with t-mobile for business my name age braden i was 5-years-old when i came to send you how trains, shore and gamma story shell, and then having these headaches that when i go away, my mom, she was just crying what they said their son hedge brain cancer it was your worst fear coming to life watching your child grew up is the dream of every parent. you can join the battle to save the lives of kids like braden by supporting st. >> jude children's research hospital families never receive a bill from st. jude for treatment, travel, housing, or food. so they can focus on helping their child what they've done for me. my son, my family sorry life is a gift, especially for a child battling cancer call or go online and helps save the lives of children like braden now i know 11-years-old. we were actually doing the checkup for my brain and they they saw something in my throat well which viroid cancer it was heartbreaking to find out that he has cancer again, but we knew who we had behind us. it's gives me hope you can make a difference joined with your credit or debit card for only $19 a month. >> and we'll send you this st. jude t-shirt without st. jude or its donors we would have been in a bad place these kids, they've done nothing wrong in the world finding a cure for childhood cancer it means everything helps st. jude give kids with cancer a chance a widely filter. >> it's well-designed, efficient. i appreciate that. we filtered technology, keith debris out of your gutters for good, guaranteed. >> what more could you ask for? 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why not say it publicly on camera for all the voters to hear look, i don't think that's semantics are important here. >> i think what's important is that the american people know that somebody who was the republican nominee for president of the united states as a convicted felon. and i think we see the split-screen of president biden on the world stage of global stage, a domestic stays trying to deliver for americans and donald trump railing against democracy, railing against it judicial system, continuing to double down on calls for political violence and extremism and so our campaign is going to continue to stay focused and make sure we're highlighting that contrast in full display for american voters. >> well, one thing every campaign, please close attention to is the bottom line. obviously, what we heard from the trump campaign tonight is they say they're basically not a lot money off his new title. they say that they raised a combined $141 million with the republican national committee in may that would match what, what president biden and democrats raised in march and april combined. i wonder if that worries you a look, we'll see if they in fact raise that money when they have to file their financial disclosures and mid next month or mid this month, i should say. but what's important is not the money that you're raising. what's important is what you do with it, which is why our campaign on for months has been spending the resources that americans across this country are donate entire campaign, making sure that we're in best to get on the ground to make calls to voters syntax, knock on doors, have a presence in the communities where they are and talk to them about the issues that matter most. while trump, on the other hand, is spending all of those resources to the extent that he does have them on his legal fees. and so again, donald trump is not in this campaign for the american public. donald trump is in this campaign for himself, for vinge the retribution and to continue to double down on calls for political violence. and so we're going to continue to make sure that we're building out the apparatus from a campaign standpoint that we know we're going to need to make sure we're talking to those voters and critical battleground states, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, georgia, arizona, nevada, et cetera. to make sure that we are in a position to get to 270 electoral votes. that's where our focus is. >> speaking of the campaign. obviously, a major issue for voters. both parties is immigration and president biden tomorrow, we are told by sources is going to sign this new executive order that would basically shut down the the southern us border to asylum seekers once there's a threshold of crossings at 2,500 i'm here in an average of that. and once that's exceeded, and of course, some people say we're remembering what president biden said as a candidate about donald trump for doing something quite similar. this is what he said in 2020 this is the first president in history, united states america, there's anybody seeking asylum has to do it in another country. that's never happened before in america, you come to the united states and you make your case that i seek asylum based on the following on the following premise, why i deserve it under american law? they're shedding a squalor on the other side of the river what do you say to voters who look at where president biden was in 2020 and where he is now on the cusp of signing this executive order a look what i would say to voters is that there's no comparison and the way the president biden approaches immigration policy and former president trump, when trump was president, he was putting kids in cages. we are still working honestly reunite families that trump's separated because of his immigration policies. i don't think that there is any comparison at all. and what we're talking about. and in fact president biden has spent every single day while in the oval office working on both south towels to bring leaders together from the republican and the democratic party to get comprehensive immigration reform done. and when he had a deal, donald trump calls bigger johnson on, told him to kill it because he didn't want president biden to quote, get a political when we see donald trump continuing to stay in this race, only for himself, he is not interested in solving problems like immigration in america. he has only interested in making sure that he scores political points or doing whatever he can to get his way. he thinks he's above the law and that's who donald trump is. so i would say to those voters that there is simply no comparison to donald john supposed to immigration policy and that of president biden's. well, and what you're referencing there, it'll be familiar to people at home because this was that attempted a bipartisan immigration bill that happened on capitol hill back in february. >> and what he's signing tomorrow, what was initially a core part of that legislation? obviously, it failed after president trump told people not to vote board. >> but, but when this was initially your consideration, we heard from democrats, including congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. >> cortez, who said in part doing trump impressions, isn't how we beat trump. are you prepared for pushback from liberals, from progressive voters? if this executive order comes to fruition tomorrow i don't think that this is a trump impression. >> i think president biden is leading, and that is never something that donald trump even considered during his time. in the white house. but what i can say is that president biden is approaching this from commander in chief and one of those jobs is to secure the border. and that's exactly what president biden is doing here. >> i've mean, do you as a campaign manager or commit official, how do you see it in the sense of it is a different message from what we heard in 2020. and i think a lot of people would sit at home and say, it's just a sign of how the politics on this issue have shifted in a real way. i mean, is that how you see it? 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>> i don't think there's a likelihood at all there is any chance there's always a chance it's right and we have an interesting supreme court. so there's always a chance that's powerful people involved, but in terms of the mechanism that exists in state law and federal law right now, unless there is a clear violation of federal constitutional law, which no one seems to have been able to articulate. most notably, the defendant without that, it doesn't get to the supreme court. >> what did you make of this? i guess we should have all known it was going to end up in this place. but what did you make of this? what i made it is this that all the arguments to be made for getting to the supreme court our very cool republican talking points but they have no basis in law, and they certainly have no basis. >> in fact, as a judge is pointed out, they have no there's no procedural mechanism to get those arguments between before the supreme court, particularly now, what what they do tell you about if i'm judge or sean is to look at this and say, this is when when he comes up pre-sentencing in july 11, is that this is a defendant who doesn't get it. who isn't contrite who who has ridiculed the system who has made a mockery of the system? has been complicit and others and violating a gag order has violated a gag order himself. and in fact, the only thing he has going for him at the time of sentencing is that the served as president of united states, which is very unique. but he also has so many other factors. on the other side of the equation that obama defense lawyer, each one of those equations gives me tremendous brian. >> well, i mean, you've talked about republicans, the republican, i believe this came from was house speaker mike johnson, when you when he suggested as intercourse, he was also the one who was leading the effort to get so many other house republicans to try to get the supreme court to help in their efforts to overturn the election. >> but any criminal case cool cases are a tragedies really no crime has been committed, committed. there's people who have been victimized, people have lost out here. there's not a tremendous financial loss, but there's a loss in the voters, in the system and loss of confidence in the voting system. so there are a lot of victims here, but another tragedy here is the fact that they're very highly placed political people who, have joined in on the mockery of the system, who have undermined confidence in the system, which in and of itself has a tremendous tragedy they also should be held accountable in some way. >> do you think it is undermined what has it done for when people look at the justice system because it's such a political issue when you, when you ask anyone about this verdict, how they feel about it. but for those of us who went to the courtroom and sat and watched this jury do it, do its job, and also watched the judge was incredibly fair and bent over backwards at points to be so to the defense and to donald trump, the defendant i wonder is a retired judge, how you view what it's done to try to diminish the credibility of what you've done, it has diminished the credibility of what we've all done. that's not just me as a judge who works in the criminal justice system. it's the prosecutors, it's the defense lawyers who often represent defendants who are guilty and have done terrible things, but they understand that this system means that everyone is presumed innocent unless and until the jury says otherwise, and every right to which they are entitled should be out on display in a courtroom. it demeans court officers. it demeans all of us and to see these high level people from washington waltz into the courtroom the way they did. and to say, let's get the supreme court without any clear guidance or any without any background whatsoever to support what they're saying is so disappointing and should worry, should worry everyone. it's really, they have really denigrated everything that this country stands for in terms of the judiciary what we always say innocent until proven guilty, but it feels like for trump's allies, it has an asterisk on it because he has been proven guilty, but there are still you're seeing them say, well, the jury was misled that they couldn't come to a fair decision. that was what i heard from some republicans over the weekend. >> caitlin, when you when you think about all those things, they get back to the talking points. those you're talking points. let's see what happens on appeal, how they're able to articulate that, and how they're able to really support that by pointing to what happened in the record. what are their strengths? strongest points on appeal. do you think that todd blanche can go in there amid make when they do try to appeal. i think there'll be lots of points they make that or meritless, for instance, change of venue. >> i think the only point that they may be could make is with regard to how they one crime caused the other the filing the false records caused the election crime i think what the story is with that is that it's not it's not with a lot of precedent, but that doesn't mean it's not without strong factual or legal foundation that i think the government will prevail. there i think it's an interesting issue to discuss just because it hasn't been one that's really been analyzed before. but i think the government is on very sound footing in that. i think they'll prevail on appeal. i just wanted to follow up on that. i agree with you in terms of the prevailing and that might be an issue and that might even be a constitution to tional issue because jurors did not have to find beyond a reasonable doubt what that crime was. but there is legal footing and i think that's very important here. if you look at the burglary statute in new york the crime is you knowing feely enter and remain unlawfully in a dwelling with intent to commit a crime therein, what that crime? i'm is doesn't matter. then the people do not need to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt the same is true for acting in concert acting in concert, whether you believe the defendant acted alone or in concert is something that needs not be proven beyond a reason. tenable doubt. >> sure, it hasn't been done in election cases before. a judge points out there's plenty of analogs there that gives it really adequate support. and i think the government is extremely strong arguments to be able to sustain the conviction so when we hear you make a really good point about the talking points versus what they're actually going to be able to argue in court. and we may even see some of those talking points come up in the court arguments, but that doesn't mean that the appellate courts going to buy that, correct? >> that's true. i will say that. what are they going to say? they don't know what they're gonna say. they're investigating getting right now. so they they said in court they're going to file a 33030 motion, which is a post judgment motion to set aside the verdict which many lawyers do. they're often unsuccessful and the grounds for a judge to grant a 33030 motion, which is post-conviction, pre-sentence is one of three things. one is that there's an issue in the record that would automatically be reversed on appeal, which we don't have here. the second one would be newly discovered evidence that they didn't know and couldn't have known before. and i assume they're looking back, it seems unlikely the third is some type of juror misconduct in the jury room. they they read something, they said something. so i suspect there investigators are out there. this was an anonymous jury, but that doesn't mean it means you can't publish their names, but it doesn't mean investigators campaign knocking on doors and hopefully those jurors will not be dragged into morass of a 33030 and it's todd blanche told the attorney, david market is today, they had to destroy the juror information that they did have. so he says they do not don't have it anymore. it's very interesting, judge kohn visor. it's great to have you both here for such an interesting segment. up ahead. a surprise move that was just made giving new meaning to the website that we all look at x now going x rated the increase in wildfire is exponential uncontrollable overwhelming consequences the need to do something is urgent finally, earth would we have schreiber and good night on cnn sometimes the best thing you can do with intelligence is shared with your ads he, if his secret is betrayed itself, bullet to the back of the hand secrets and spies, a nuclear gain sunday at ten on cnn have heart failure with unresolved symptoms. >> it may be time to see the bigger picture. heart failure and seemingly unrelated symptoms like carpal tunnel syndrome shortness of breath and irregular heartbeat could be something more serious called att rcn are rare you're diagnosed disease that worsens over time sound like you call your cardiologist and ask about attr san there's some new players in town i mean, brought the plank count my you don't want that public kingston do you like it hard or soft? 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>> well, this is not a total departure from where they were there, just clarifying the policy. i think one of the reasons is they want to be the platform where anyone can create whatever they want, right? they are free speech, they are open-minded. that's the message they want to send to creators. and if you think about it, a lot of creators do post this type of content before elon musk took over twitter about 13% according to one borders estimate of content that was uploaded to the site was adult sexual nudity material. and so i think they don't want to push those types of craters away instead, they're clarifying the policy there, making sure everyone knows where the rules are, and they're also making sure creators at post it know what they're required to do. in this case, they're asking if you post this type of stuff a lot please turn on a button that automatically shields it with a warning sign so that users who don't want to see it don't have to see it. >> the first thing i thought about was, what does this mean for advertisers and how are they approaching this chain? >> it's tough so in one end you know, advertisers are so brand conscious, they don't love it when there's a lot of nudity with any kind of platform even in the cable bundle, there's porn channels. kaitlan, so it's something that if they've been dealing with for a long time. on the other hand, there are certain advertisers that this might make their life a little bit easier if you think about advertisers for things like bras, advertisers for things like sexual toys and things like that. suddenly this is a more friendly platform for them. but overall, as long as twitter continues to moderate this and keep it shielded from people who don't want to see it. i can't foresee advertisers having a huge uproar around this. >> so my question about the how they moderated and the certain but button that people have to switch to say that it is prominently displayed is how they moderate get it and what that looks like. because obviously you'll there are numbers that show that they're one and 14 agers who were on twitter. and you think about younger siblings or people who are on it. and you kinda was this hub for discussion and arguing and ideas and can they really moderate it though randomly? >> this is one of the easier things to moderate specifically because the amount of skin that's shown is very easy for ai and machines to identify as being a nude person. same thing by the way, goes for child exploitative material. we have databases that all of the social media platforms refer for too, when the fbi catches this type of material, they uploaded to a data, the database, the platforms have access to it. and so when you try to upload something that matches what the fbi or law enforcement officials has. it's automatically block. so this actually isn't a huge issue from that perspective. overall. >> i mean, you and i have talked so much about x since elon musk took over and change today. and so much else. i mean, what do you see as the future for the website is, you know, people will say, is it going to be overtaken by threads? another sayyed, how do you see it nobody's come close to dethrone ing x and i don't think that they're going to come close for a long time simply because it has this matter as of global user base, it has a reputation for being the global town square. >> i think they stayed put and they continue to roll back rules and make it even more of a free speech platform surface or thank you. we will continue to watch it closely and finally, tonight before we go, i would like for you to meet chico. this is my new foster dog. look how cute he is. >> he's in need of a loving home tonight. he came straight to new york from kentucky on saturday. he loves to sleep in the sun as you can see here, he really smells everything in sight he's also adjusting to the new york city lifestyle quite well. if you are interested in adopting him, he is going to be available starting tomorrow through muddy paul's rescue it's a non-profit here in new york city, a very special one. they saved dogs who may not have gotten a chance. a second chance they pair them with people who can give them a forever home. and if you

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