smerconish is up next is it, 1968? the sequel michael smerconish in philadelphia this week in a deja vu of the vietnam era, police officers in riot gear across the country were called in to disperse anti-war protesters from college campuses when they cleared out columbia university's hamilton hall, it was on the 56th anniversary of police arrests, ending a student takeover about the vietnam conflict in the exact same building and this august even more deja vu, the democratic national convention will take place in chicago the same city which hosted the 1968 dnc, which was famously disrupted by both chaotic radical anti-war protests and the violent response of the police a bit of history, 1968 included lbj deciding not to seek reelection because of vietnam. >> four days later, the assassination of martin luther king junior race riots, then the assassination of democratic front-runner robert f. kennedy, the republican challenger, richard nixon, who had lost to jfk in 1960, was promising to end the vietnam war and restore law and order at home as my next guest recently recounted in the wall street journal, in august of 68, when hubert humphrey was about to take the podium to accept the democratic nomination the television networks abruptly cut away to footage of national guardsmen in armor gbs firing tear gas since swinging their billy clubs at vietnam war protesters in grant park across town. the video lasted 17 minutes and eternity, both for the 89 million americans watching the broadcast and for humphrey's candidacy the democratic convention was a catastrophe for humphrey and for a nation that it left more polarized than ever. the only beneficiary politically speaking, was republican candidate richard nixon. at even though history has sided with the vietnam protesters at the time, the unrest boomerang. as david brooks recounts in the new york times, in 1966 ronald reagan vowed to clean up the mess at berkeley and was elected governor of california in 1968. richard nixon celebrated the forgotten americans, the non showers, the non demonstrators, and was elected to the presidency. far from leading to a new progressive era, the uprisings of the era were followed by what was arguably plea the most conservative period in american history. and the title of david brooks peace. why the protests help trump. meghan mccain warned in a tweet, the dnc convention this summer going to be blanking s show. and today happens to be the 54th anniversary of the kent state massacre. that fateful day in 1970 when the national it'll guard shot and killed four students on that ohio campus during an anti vietnam war protest. this week, bernie sanders told cnn's christiane amanpour the following maybe biden's vietnam or lyndon johnson in many respects was a very, very but president domestically, brought forth some major pieces of legislation you chose not to run in 68 because of opposition to his views on a vietnam and i worry very much that president biden is putting himself in a position where he has alienated not just young people, but a lot of the democratic base is bernie, right? >> i want to know what you think. go to my website. it's were countach.com vote on today's poll question. do you agree with bernie sanders that the campus protests over israel may be biden's vietnam james traub joins me now. he wrote that wall street journal piece. biden needs to learn from the democratic disaster of 68 is also the ahor of several books, including most recently, true believer, hubert humphrey's quest for a more just american thank you so much for being here. so the conventional wisdom is that humphrey lost because he wouldn't break with johnson on the war. and you say that's wrong. >> how come? >> because the big issue and 68, it turned out was not vietnam, it was law and order. and as you mentioned in your introduction, richard nixon campaigned on law and order. and so one of the amazing things that comes out of that 68 convention is that after those 89 million people saw while the chicago police swinging their billy clubs and cracking heads and they saw the horror of that moment a poll found that two thirds of respondents supported the tactics of the chicago police. so even though there were many americans who shared a lot of the criticism of the vietnam i'm war many it turned against it by that time they're anger at this freewheeling carnival ask disruptive protest was more politically salient. so my point in the piece and my point in the book is that humphrey austin 68 not because he was abandoned by the left, but because he was abandoned by traditional blue collar democratic voters who went either for nixon or for george wallace you say he wouldn't, he, humphrey wouldn't come down on the kids in the street. so what's the lesson then for president biden well, it's such a narrow path to tread because what i also say in the piece is that humphrey couldn't really afford to completely alienated those kids at one level, he had a sense of identification with them because he thought of himself as a reformer, but also that was so much the source of the energy and the idealism in the party. >> and so biden faces a similar problem. the kids who are demonstrating today are tiny fraction of the democratic party there are even a small fraction of young people. most young people are well, more conservative than they are. >> but he, he's already seen as a kind of stodgy and stalled candidate. >> he doesn't want a completely cut his ties to that more youthful and progressive wing of the party, even though i argue that the political danger, the electoral danger, is those people offending the much larger group of voters to biden's right. and so the, the narrow path is to find a way to modify that, that group ideally by some statement, some action i'm sorry, in regard to israel, that will show that he shares some of their concerns. and to do that in a way that does not identify him with the demonstrator. >> you said you said in the piece and i thought it was it was appropriate that the fireworks are on the left and the votes are on the right, as i'm watching these events unfold, i keep asking myself, how does it play in pennsylvania among working class voters and wisconsin and in michigan, you get the final word, what are your thoughts? >> yeah, this, this part isn't exact repeat of 1968 because that's exactly the question that humphrey and the people around him had to ask themselves and the answer clearly is it played into for them. the issue would play it into is not vietnam, but again, law and order control, orderliness, maybe even a certain kind of set of behavioral values. how does one behave properly and so in that regard demonstrations, if they occur at that level in this year in 2024, are really a very serious threat to biden's hopes for reelection james traub, that was excellent. i look forward to reading your book and i thank you thank you. >> a pleasure what are your thoughts? >> hit me up on social media. i'll read some responses throughout the course of the program from the world of x. although the israel-hamas war isn't america's war, like the vietnam war was if these college uprisings or not not controlled sun biden could be badly affected in november, garth obviously, the term has come to a close, right? kids are taking finals now classes ended commencements have begun so presumably they'll soon be leaving campus, but will chicago become a magnet? >> later in the summer? that's i think the lurking question. hey, i want to know what you think go to my website. it's were cottage.com answered today's poll question. do you agree with bernie sanders but the campus protests over israel's maybe biden's vietnam still to come hope hicks was one of the first people to join donald trump's 2016 campaign. he nicknamed her hopi, and she eventually rose to white house communications director friday hicks was on the witness stand telling the jury what she knew about the access hollywood tape and hush money payments before breaking down in tears. elie honig is here to discuss and will there ever be a biden trump debate this cycle, the candidates are telling the yes, they're willing, but what are they telling the commission on presidential debates? i'm about to ask co-chair frank ferran cough. please be sure to sign up for my daily newsletter. it's were cottage.com, you'll find exclusive content from award-winning cartoonists like this, from steve breed how would really happen tomorrow at nine on cnn xhr allergy relief works fast and lasts a full 24 hours. so zaid can be deliverer. >> dance okay dave, let's be more than our allergies seize the de with zyrtec what's a push of a button? 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you who run it and have done so since 1988 well, other than the criticism that we just heard from the trump campaign with regard to trying to move the dates earlier in which we think we've answered as best we can, we can answer it we've had no contact with either campaign, which is not unusual cycle, where you normally don't have contact with republican and democrat and other people who may be able to be on, for example, the green party will probably qualify. >> and jill stein will be their nominee. we don't talk to them until after their nominating conventions, and we know that they are the nominees, then we have contact. we haven't had any other contact other than the letters that we've received from the from the trump campaign okay. >> so you're just going about your business and i guess in that regard, i should ask because you have for college campuses that will be the location of the debates. does anything that is transpiring right now alter your plans in any way? >> not none in anyway, we're going forward. we're working with those universities the secret service has also cleared those universities from the security standpoint. and we're just going forward. we'll wait to see the nominating conventions. what may or may not happen. and then we'll go forward about september 6, when is the last date that any state will be determining who's going to qualify for their ballot, will then know who meets the requirement of being on enough balance to conceivably get 270 electoral votes. and at that time i'm sure that we'll have more contacts. >> we talked about the first debate, the last debate is scheduled for october 9. i'm mindful of the fact that in 1980, when ronald reagan was debating jimmy carter, he encouraged americans to vote for him, quote, next week, wow, have things changed? and obviously you had to do that because of all the early voting that takes place that's correct. >> all the laws have changed. that was a week before when it was governor reagan wasn't it at that time, made that statement. but laws have changed in most states since then. and this almost three weeks really between the first debate in the last debate, which is unusual which is unusual okay. >> i hope it happens everybody hopes that it happens. thank you, mr. chairman. we appreciate it no problem, michael. >> thank you. >> social media reaction on the subject of the debates from the world of x o, because nothing says fair and inclusive debate like leaving rfk out, that really screams democracy in action. well, hang on. i mean, i know the rules. the rules are that if rfk jr. or anybody else can get on enough ballots. so that they conceivably have a path to sue to 70 and if they're at 15% in five national polls, they make the debate stage. i think the issue for robert f. kennedy jr. is not so much the 15% as the ballot access he says he's going to get on all of them and has made now in california, so that's where i think the rubber will meet the road and look, i say the more the merrier if they have a legitimate shot than they ought to be on that stage up ahead, this is mental health awareness month shouldn't that be every month? 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where do we go to find the i like to use the word mingling that is lacking. i know you favor the belonging that seems to be absent and so many lives so i think there are many opportunities for us, and i think the pandemic, though it brought many challenges and problems that we're facing today there are also opportunities. so a few of the things that happened during the pandemic as families were together and there were more opportunities for families to spend time together. the other issues that our plaguing us really have to do with creating since a sense of community in places where young people are schools, their communities but recreational activities. all of those things, i'm family spending time together in the outdoor environment. all of those things are really important to supporting mental health and venting emotional challenges. some of the things that are happening though, as we understand, there are lots of things happening in the world. the young people are exposed to through media, through social media. there's a lot of stressors and school environments with many kids being bullied and marginalized and not necessarily being able to find those communities but those are the things that maintain and support mental health. and the goal would be how do we create an environment for young people to thrive and for resilient families to be okay. and there are many approaches we're taking to doing that some of them is better education about mental health, you know, better education for providers and for communities. and so we're looking for ways to integrate mental health into settings where children and families are every day. for example, schools it's an excellent opportunity to reach more kids and invite it's not stigmatizing. we're also starting to integrate more behavioral health providers in primary care practices. so when families go to receive their medical services, they're able to receive their mental health services as well. and we're looking at other community partnerships. we're partnering with churches, recreational centers athletic programs. but the challenge is the one you identified at the very beginning. there just are not enough clinicians to care for all the young people in need i'm so glad that you're here is the month kicks off you heard i heard you use the word stigma job one is to get beyond the stigma and have this kind of dialogue. thank you so much, dr. benton. we appreciate you. >> thank you so much for having me if i can thank you for what you do to educate us all about mental health no, that's nice. thank you. appreciate that. let's check on some social media comments and see what everybody is thinking as they're watching. it's the screen time and the lack of social interactions among our children. it's certainly is among other factors, it's the lack of socialization it's the lack of mingling. it's not having enough community experience. it's being two sequestered self sorting to put it in political terms, it's all of that jonathan height was here recently talking about his new book. i recommend gene guang. i recommend robert putnam, bowling alone. i record command bill bishop and the big sort i put all of these together to understand the narrative of how we've separated from one another and need to find ways of having common experience. that's how well verbalize it. still to come this week, a bitterly divided congress found at least one issue both sides can agree on a bipartisan dog lovers caucus launched in direct response to the shocking tale of south dakota governor kristi noem, what she wrote in her new memoir about killing her misbehaving dog. i know, you know, the story. but here's the question why in the hell did she tell the story? 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>> oh, i hundred percent agree. i'm with you now, michael, i probably wouldn't have been with you five years ago when i was a prosecutor, but now i think we have to have cameras in the courtroom and you can see why in the coverage of this, there's this sort of effort to tie hope hicks crying to some specific motive, some specific thing that she testified about. i don't buy that i've seen plenty of people take the stand in the courtroom testifying is scary. it's emotional. she's sitting there in front of a person who is she respected and admired who she grew up under, became a professional under it's dramatic moment. and if you look at the actual moment in the transcript where it says she starts crying. there's nothing much going on. she's not being by now. >> yes, please. >> i want to go emily, let me go to the transcript. so first, the very end of her direct examination put it up on the screen, quote, and i think mr. trump's opinion was it was better to be dealing with it now and that it would have been bad to have that story come out before the election thank you. no further questions prosecution feels good, right. elie on that point, they thought they have hope hicks connecting the payment in the mind of donald trump, maybe to the election quick reaction on that. >> sure sure. it's a strong piece of evidence for the prosecution. i do respectfully dissent from the this nail in the coffin, devastating game. oh, it helps him on a piece of the case, but there's much more to her testimony and much more to this case, than that okay. why did she cry? put it up on the screen and i think you said this morning, this is on cross-examination. i think you said this morning that you focused on real estate hospitality, the entertainment that was your portfolio? yes. she begins to weep. it was nostalgia at this moment. she's not crying because she's sinking donald trump. she's presumably crying because she's remembering the good old days before everything hit the fan that's exactly how i see it, michael and it's also she's not crying on the other side because donald trump's lawyers have got have extracted some concession from her brow beating her like you would see in the movies and the witness just breaks down. >> she's going back to a time in her life ten plus almost ten years ago now, when she was 20 something and donald trump started employing her and she came up through the ranks. i mean, you can understand how it's emotional. i just wanted to stress again, i'm going to use our friend and colleague, anderson cooper here as an example. now, anderson has interviewed presidents, kings. he's been in warzones he had to testify in a fairly low-level trial last year or so, and he has said he said publicly, he said privately, he was terrified. it was emotional, it was scary, it was a routine court case, but getting up on that stan can really evoke emotions and i just think it's a mistake to say hope hicks cried because she knew she just ended donald trump's career because she knew she just saying give or she he cried because she had just collapsed on cross-examine. it was neither of those things in my view transcript number three, again, just three things that i read and i circled here we go. >> this is now the defense. there's reference to melania trump that's the first highlight. now go to the end hope hicks says, so i think he was just concerned about what her perception of this would be, meaning the hush money payment. this is what the defense wants, which is to say donald trump paid that money to protect his family, baron, his wife, et cetera. it's not because of the campaign. so to my reading, each side got out of home hope hicks, something that they wanted that's exactly right, michael, she was very clear on one of his big motivations, of course, was the campaign. i think that's quite clear from the evidence in the record as a whole, but she also said he was also thinking about his family. now i have to say this is a situation where there's something for either side, but it's a net win for prosecutors because it's okay for prosecutors if there's mixed motives, as long as one of the substantial voting motivating factors was the campaign was politics there, okay. on that element, but i also want to make clear michael the crux of the crime here is the accounting. it's the financing of the payments. and to that end, hope hicks doesn't know anything and shouldn't have known any so i think on balance sheet was a good witness for the prosecution, but she absolutely was not some sort of game ender nail in the coffin and i want to i want to end where i began, which is to say hope hicks is example exhibit a for why there ought to be cameras in the courtroom because yesterday, watching the coverage and flipping around on one hand, i was told there was just this this perry mason moment where hope hicks realized she sunk donald trump and then on a different network, i'm watching and they're like celebrating because hope hicks completely blew up the prosecution case and neither of those is true. >> thank you, ali. appreciate you as always. thanks, michael. all right. >> checking in checking in on your social media comments. what do we have from the world of x in a case like this, cameras in the courtroom would completely change the trial with trump's attorney following instructions as how to maximize the media exposure for the benefit his campaign no. thank you. know, john in florida, perhaps you're poisoned by the oj case and the way in which the lawyers then ran the whole show that's not the typical way in which cases are tried. and we ought to be looking at hope hicks for ourselves and we ought to be looking at donald trump for ourselves. obviously not the jurors, because remember this you have a right to go stand in line and sit in that courtroom or sit in the supreme court of the united states. and if you've got a right to do that, or your local borough council or your school board meeting than a camera ought to also have a right to be there in your stead. do not forget. i want to know what you think. go to my website. it's were conscious.com. answer. today's poll question. do you agree? 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how could she have we can all agree on this. the kristi noem dog story is a shocking and harb, tail of human cruelty here's what i want to know. why was she the one to tell it? why did she put it in her memoir? by now, you know, the bizarre anecdote first broken by the guardian in her book, no going back, noem writes that are 14 month-old hunting dog, cricket got loose, killed neighbors, chickens and quote, whipped around to bite me. so she took it to a gravel pit and shot it and then also killed a misbehaving goat. don't leave that out. the immediate outrage field countless viral memes late night punchlines in the book she justifies the story is illustrating her ability in politics and life to make the difficult, messy, and ugly decision if it needs to be done. here's how she explained it to sean hannity on fox this was a working dog and it was not a puppy. it was a dog that was extremely dangerous. it had come to us from a family who had found her way too aggressive. we were her second chance and she was the day she was put down was a de that she massacred livestock that were part of our neighbors. she attacked me and it was a hard decision so she must have known it was political kryptonite. >> so why did she tell the story to begin with joining me now is reynold ness a-b-a, the democratic senate minority leader of the great state of south dakota senator. thank you so much for being here. had you heard this? story before i had michael and this is a rumor that's been around for years about her acting in anger to put down a dog and i think there's at least three reasons why she did this. >> and maybe we can talk about that so i'd love to hear your three. i always suspected before i knew of your confirmation that she wanted to get out ahead of it, like she was going to tell it on her terms because sooner or later, if she really is vetted, they're going to find out about the dog, but go ahead and give me your three again. i think that's the first one. the inoculation argument was the first one. >> and that one hasn't gone well, but the second one is that for the last several years, governor noem has worked really hard to lift her profile. and i think in that way, it has. i mean, she might be the worst governor that you've ever heard of, but you have heard of her and again, in trump world, i think that that's really important. and the third thing i think it keeps the national media from taking a closer look at her record in south dakota. i mean, she's not very good at being governor. i mean, she isn't even able to persuade her own super majority republican house and senate to eliminate the sale those tax on food. i mean, here in south dakota, we pay a sales tax. if you buy baby formula or you're by baby food so former president trump's favorite pejorative is to speak of someone like a dog that senator from south dakota, he joked like a dog, this like a dog cheating like a dog. >> he's not a dog guy. hi, right. i'm curious if she may be thought, hey, with trump, it's going to be just fine. i'm not going to lose any points with them again, i think that this story was aimed at an audience of one, and i think she likely got his attention and we'll see unlike the rest of the world, i think that donald trump is likely to still find her appealing so how does this play at home? i know how this plays in the northeast where i am on the sela corridor, dog people who like horrified. i'm sure she would say, well, you're a bunch of snowflakes and you don't know what goes on in rural america. so how does it play in south dakota? >> yeah, when i talk to folks here, republicans mostly don't want to talk about it at all. but this isn't the first time that she's done outrageous things are things that are on caucuses, disagrees with i mean, she took us off with the covid emergency here in south dakota early and it cost south dakota families over 100 million in enhanced snap benefits. >> she refuses to use a little bit of state general fund money to allow us to have summer ebt to feed hungry kids. >> so in some ways this is part of a pattern of chillax empathy okay. can we stand up for the goat i mean, the goat apparently had it coming because the goat got gnomes kids clothes dirty, and her shot wounded the goat. she had to go back and get a second shotgun shell and then take down the goat. i don't hear anybody speaking up for the goat. you get the final word yeah i have no idea why she would include that story about the goat in there as well. >> but maybe she does she likes to clean up messes again, i think she's trying to keep you all from the national media generally from looking at her record and south dakota, i think there's all sorts of stories there that are okay walking. >> we can walk and chew gum at the same time. hopefully we will do both center nasa. thank you so much for being here thank you, michael honor, to be here, have a great saturday you two let's check in on your social media comments from the world. >> i mean, it sounds like the beginning of a joke except it's not funny, like, have you heard about the south dakota governor the dog and the goat? governor noem would have been well-served to listen to the words of harry truman, who famously said, if you want a friend in washington, get a dog, not kill a dog says joke lyric. yeah, it's just wacky, but my first instinct was to say, you only tell this story if people at home know the story and it's coming out now, now i got to read that book and see what other damage control is contained in it still to come more of your best and worst social media comments and don't forget on today to vote on today's poll question. do you agree with bernie sanders? that the campus protests over israel may be biden's vietnam. remember if you subscribe to my daily newsletter, you not only get great exclusive content, you'll get to see cartoonists like rob rogers at their finest how would really happen tomorrow at nine on cnn? my day insurers uncomfortable. >> dracula, let's wait back against discomfort with new polygraph power max whole than comfort. it has superior hold plus keeps his comfy all de, with its pressure absorbing layer in vi. >> if you're now kotok would ask for all she always thinks of others first, but for one day, it's all about her celebrate mom and all she does with thoughtful mother's day gifts from weather tech, treat her to laser measured whether tech floor aligners and cargo the liner to keep her vehicle looking like now, keep mom's phone and reach with hands-free viewing with cuff phone. >> she can feel like she's on cloud nine with the anti fatigue comfort matt, or pick a gift card and let her choose find these american made gifts. mom will appreciate all year long. it wt.com happy mother's day from weather tech. i love that my daughter is still needs me, but sometimes that can help due to burning and stabbing pain in my hands. so why use nerve vive nearby clinical dose? 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