>> your $7 trial spatial colombia, the final flight premieres next sunday at nine and cnn prosecutors, and judges, saying in part, happy easter to all, including those many people, i completely and totally despise because they want to destroy america. now, trump appears to be testing the limits of his gag order in the new york hush money case as well, where he will face trial in two weeks. he's now ramping up attacks against judge juan merchan's daughter posting a link to an article showing her picture. so joining me now is former judge for the california superior court led doris chordal. she's also the author of the book. her honore, my life on the bench. what works, what's broken and how to change it? >> so >> let oris one thanks for being here, but what do you make of trump's relentless attacks against the new york judge and his family? >> what omar thank you for having me what people should know first off is that this is not normal attacks upon our legal system, attacks on judges, witnesses, jurors, court staff, lawyers, and their families. it's not normal. i've presided over thousands of hearings and trials during my nearly 20 years as a trial judge, and never did any defendants my courtroom shows such disrespect for the court system is what's shown by donald trump and occasionally i had to warn a defendant to conduct himself properly, but a warning was usually sufficient in this instance, trump's words are clearly intended to intimidate threatening and violence against the people he names in the words coming out of his mouth and on social media. so what he's doing, he's literally thumbing his nose at the courts and he's making a mockery of the legal system. and we know this because he has caution. he has never once never cautioned his followers to abstain from making threats and otherwise attack his targets. he wants to put people well in fear for their lives by having his followers do as dirty work so the job of a trial judges to ensure a fair trial for both sides and to manage the courtroom to ensure law and order. so when you have a disruptor like donald trump, judges have tools to rein them in. they have warning to get fine since you got gag orders, you've got incarceration and mornings and finds haven't worked with trump so when i think about what donald trump is doing, it's akin to, it's something i read in a very famous book called, please don't eat the daisies written by jean courage. he's a wonderful humerus and author and she describes an incident in the book that gave the time title to the book where she tells her children things not to do it her dinner party. however, after seeing only a few stem sticking out of the table centerpiece she realized she neglected to include in her do not rules that they should not eat the daisies and trump just like a child has to be told what he cannot do no matter how obvious like, you don't threaten people, you don't threaten judges. you don't threaten family members so judge merchan i believe should immediately expand the gag order to include himself and his family members and include de a bragg and his family members. i tell you i fail to understand why judges do not include themselves and their family members in these gag orders. they haven't done so. their lives and the lives of their families have been subjected to death threats. all because of donald trump's words and that kind of speech is not protected by the first amendment so what happens, just throw this in there. what happens when drum brakes that gag order on truth, social, or otherwise >> right. and you said when and not if i think you're right, omar, when he steps across them, gag order line and i do hope it will be expanded. >> there should be >> only one response bring your toothbrush, donald trump, because you're going to sit in a jail cell for a while there has to be an immediate consequence when he defines a court order that is a normal response, you can not have a court system that is subjected to these kinds of threats and intimidation. nowhere else has this ever for happen and gone on without any consequences. and that has to change and it has to change. now, >> why do you think because >> of course, as you're saying, someone breaks, it's simple. you break the law, you break a gag order, you go to jail, you get put in jail. why do you think judges maybe have been a little more? hesitant to this point to take a step as significant as that one >> well, first of all, the judges, i think so far have taken done things appropriately. >> a warnings >> fines, and they found that the conduct of donald trump has not changed. so the next is the gag order. in this instance, the gag order. if it's expanded so far, he is not violated that gag order, although he's tip toeing very close to the line, a lot people think that that'll, that there's a double-standard being extended to donald trump by the courts. and i can understand that because when i was on the bench, there's no way anyone would carry on like this this without more severe consequences. but i think now it's starting to sink into these judges that their lives, the family members, are all at stake here in terms of the threats of violence and intimidation. so there is nothing left for them to do other than to go the next step. and i don't know what the mystique is or magic is about not putting donald trump in a jail cell so that he understands their immediate consequences for not behaving as a normal adult in the courtroom >> so i don't know. i think now maybe the time yeah. >> i was just going to ask as well, look, these are some of the most closely watched cases that we have in the country, right now. and it's, it's easy to say that what someone does in this case, including the former president, has an impact in regards to people's understandings of what's happening and for their understanding of what is permissible and the justice system and a federal judge told cnn that trump's attacks on the judge are threat to the rule of law. and judges have a responsibility to speak up given the stakes. >> do you agree with that? how did balance managing their courtroom with also managing and standing up for the rule of law >> i think it's one and the same managing the courtroom says, basically the judge's responsibility is to see that each side is treated fairly and is heard fairly at the trial, or at hearings, and to ensure that there was law and order in the courtroom. so it's i think it's less a balancing act and more an obligation. you cannot conduct court proceeding with people terrified about showing up in a courtroom or speaking in a courtroom. and that's what has happened. and continues to happen. so the gag order is appropriate, expanded, and then that doesn't work. then judges are authorized and i think obligated to take the next step, which is show this person that they're immediate consequences and the next step is we'll just shut him down, shut him down for a few days, let him cool his heels and a cell and then bring them back out and see if the message gets through. >> and from a practical standpoint, obviously, look, we've got to trial at the center of this trial has to proceed but how difficult is it going to be for the judge in this hush money trial to actually do his job given this dynamic well, i think judge, more sean is doing his job so far. i mean, he has issued a gag order and you're right. >> he >> doesn't want to have to delay the trial. and so, for example, trump's lawyers have said, if judge, if you want to expand the god of order will give us 30 days. let us file briefs. no known no, no, that's just a delay tag at this judge, has everything he needs right now to keep this trial moving by expanding the gag order. >> so >> yeah, this is all about trial management. that's why trial judges, they have a hard job, but at the same time, this is their responsibility and this is their opportunity to show the world holt and to show american specifically that this is not normal courts cannot operate the way donald trump has been operating. and so this is the time to say, this is not normal. we're going to show you what normal is and how people, adults should behave reasonably in a courtroom. >> now, look, we're we're in an alliance section, year. former president trump against current president biden. and the name of your book, part of it, what works, what's broken, and how to change it. in regards to the traditional system how would a trump presidency, given the posturing we've seen from him to this point, fit into the dynamic that you that you talk about in regards to what maybe needs to be fixed in this justice system >> a trump presidency would not engage in the fixes that most of us and certainly i am contemplating by making the proceedings more transparent, by making sure we have judges who are up objective that are unbiased. so i am very concerned and i think most americans should be very concerned fortunately, the president cannot make orders that impact are trial courts in the states and that's what my book addresses the what happens in the trial courts in the states and how those courts can make a difference in people's lives many, many more people come before our state court trial courts then do the federal, the federal system that being said, i'm very concerned that our legal system, the federal system is going to take a big hit if donald trump is elected president well we will see judge lloyd doris cordill. i really appreciate your insight. thank you so much for being here >> thank you. >> of course. >> all right. to talk about all of this and more, joining us as cnn political analyst julian zelizer and cnn legal analyst norm eyes. and he's also the editor of the new book trying trump to be released on april 8. he served the special counsel for the house judiciary committee majority during the first impeachment trial of former president trump. great to see you both julie and i want to start with you to respond to what we just heard from judge chordal. there some might see this cvs post from former president trump online is just a rant here and there, but, but just how dangerous are online rants in the fashion that we've seen them to this point >> very dangerous. i think we know by this point, both when he was president and as former resident, his words matter it's not simply the substance of the words which are threatening, but it's the how do you, it's that will receive them, which is a huge audience, an uncontrolled audience, and it's creating a hostile and toxic atmosphere. but the question that you're asking the judges will accountability be implemented and achieved as something that's so far he has evaded and he is banking on the the fact that he's in the middle of a campaign. he's the republican nominee and that a judge won't want to be punitive. but i think everything she said was spot on in terms of the atmosphere that we now have. and norm, do you agree with the judge's judge codels characterization of where we are and donald trump trump's danger, i should say to the judicial system >> o'mara, at this point, it's been established by data and we've seen this in filings, including in court filings by the manhattan da in this case when donald trump targets someone it turns on a spigot of invective vitriol and outright hate. and it's dangerous. it happened in the civil fraud trial. it's happened in the preliminary proceedings in this election interference case that bragg is getting to trial on april 15, and it's happened elsewhere all over the country. that's why other courts have established gag orders. they've survived first amendment review. and donald trump needs to be controlled here he will follow those rules when they were imposed on him. for example, judge kaplan and the e jean carroll case very tough, judge. donald trump followed the rules. he tested the limits, but ultimately knuckled under with judge engoron in manhattan civil case. he'll do the same here. if the rules are clear. >> and again, as judge cornell said if he doesn't follow those rules, bring it saying that these judges should take that step to actually put him in jail as penalties for breaking these gag orders. julian, i look, you're a bit of a historian. i hear. and i'm curious that put this this moment and his posturing in context for us here. i mean, this i think it's easy to believe that where we are unprecedented times and in many respects they are. but does this fit into a strategy that we have seen before? what is the former president trying to actually accomplish with the clear posturing that he has made to this point >> well, i'd start by saying unprecedented is a fair term. this time, we have not had a campaign like this candidate like this, or situation like this. but he is tapping into rhetoric that we've heard, we heard a little bit of it from richard nixon and the late '60s and early '70s where he pitted himself against the establishment which was defined as the media, the courts, prosecutors. he was the victim, he was not the person doing wrong. and i think this is a tradition that the former president trump has taken hey, and used on steroids, but it's fundamental to his message and that is how he is trying to capitalize on all these cases and present himself as not only someone that the establishment is going after, but whose supporters are also in the same position and he's representing them. so that's the tradition that i think he's invoking. he always has >> and now >> he's doing it in this unprecedented situation with the courts yeah. and norm i >> before we go here obviously, look, we've got this trial, the hush money trial in new york coming up just about two weeks now, the judge is likely weighing a number of options and watching. of course, what the foreign president is posting and what he is saying very closely what does the judge do here? what is the mentality or what should the mentality of this judge be here heading into a trial that i think is fair to say is going to be looked at under a very large magnifying glass this point out of respect for the first amendment, the judge has allowed donald trump to attack him >> and the da, it's a witnesses jurors and less well-known court personnel who are protected under the current gag order. i think the judge is going to do a very careful calculus of whether he's playing into trump's hands by extending the gag order to protect the judge's own daughter the judge has an eye on what the case is all about. it's not just the hush money case it is an election interference one. donald trump is being tried for a kind of gateway drug to the election interference of 2020 for paying hush money to ciel. critical information from voters in the last days of the 2016 election. and that's where the judges laser-like focus has been getting that case to trial starting monday, april 15. so he'll think carefully before he gives donald trump a talking point by extending the gag 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first of all, omar, you have to consider from a military perspective, i'm not talking about the politics but israel has been fighting now for almost five months in the areas of the northern and southern part or excuse me, northern and central part of gaza the remaining facilities and around rafah, the intelligence shows and mr. netanyahu said that there's a remaining four battalions worth of hamas terrorists in that raw suburb. but there's also 1,000,000.5 palestinian refugees. that's the problem so while they have gained intelligence in terms of the number of tunnels and entries and exits to these specific tunnels, they know that this is where most of the operational chiefs of hamas are, and they anticipate the israelis anticipated hey, this is where the remaining hundred and 30 plus hostages are. so there are very delicate situations going into this. israel has learned a lot from khan yunis fight as well as the northern gaza fight. and they're going to apply it in this area. but this is going to be the most dangerous part of this battle. that we've seen yet, because of the combination of the underground tunnels the number of terrorists that are there, plus the way the terrorist of interwoven their defensive positions with the facilities above-ground like the hospital's the mosque, and the schools. so it's going to be very challenging, especially by the fact that on the world stage is real, is not looking too good right now, the public relations aspect of this is horrible, as well as inside of the netanyahu government. >> well, and in regards to netanyahu and the public relations and relations between countries, look, netanyahu's saying that he's gonna go into rafah regardless of what the us things we know that israel has been a critical ally to the united states historically for a long time. can you put into perspective where the relationship is between the two countries right now, are these public statements truly indicative of a strained relationship or is there always a difference between what may be said in public? verses from an operational standpoint, what may be happening behind the scenes? >> yeah, i'll answer that two ways. first of all, there always a disconnect between what's being said in public and what's going on behind the scenes. but what i would say having dealt with the israeli army and israeli government, yeah, it's much more tenuous than it's ever been before. omar, i was there in 2013 and israel as part of my duties and it was a close relationship, but there's always suspicions between the two militaries in this case, what you're talking about as a government that's undergone a massive terrorist attack. and we we also have hamas and hezbollah and some of the other terrorist groups that are in the area on our terrorist watch list. so we're trying to help them rid themselves of this danger to their israeli security. but at the same time, the way that mr. netanyahu led up to this operation, and the way he was dealing with politics before the terrorist events of october 7 actually contributed to some of the problems that they're seeing now i want to turn to russia and ukraine because the russian military is reportedly going to kick off a conscription drive. this coming week. but, but you think these efforts won't help the russian military. why? >> i don't. first of all, whenever i've been watching this commentary about the mobilization, this is something that happens in every april and every august in russia. they bring their conscripts in and they varied. the last one they did was 130,000. this time and they're saying 150,000, but they're having some real chance. challenges with these conscripts soldiers omar, first of all, most of them don't want to go because they see the casualty rates inside of ukraine from russia's military operations there, there's also reports that some of the russian soldiers are being conscripted, are actually corruptly using funds to try and get out one of ukraine and instead go to syria. so that shows how much they think about the operation in ukraine itself. but beyond that, the training of the conscripts only last a couple of weeks, they don't learn the kind of things you need on an intense battlefield. like you see they're fighting on right now they will continue to be led lamps to the slaughter in a meat grinder approach. and nothing else has changed within the russian military. they have learned some lessons from the first two years of this conflict, but they are still feeding forces in. and if you're a obs conscript age between 18.30, which they are, you don't want to go there. you wanna do something else. you want to get the heck out of russia. and russia is seeing that massive brain drain and the result of a lot of people leaving the country. >> yeah >> lieutenant general mark hertling always appreciate your perspective. thanks for being here. really appreciate it. >> thanks for all more than happy easter. do you same deal >> all right. meanwhile, 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after voting to oust former for house speaker kevin mccarthy, among them is bob good leader of the hard-right freedom caucus. now caught in the crosshairs of center right, republicans cnn's manu raju traveled to goods district in virginia this week where he learned the republican rift is quickly turning personal gop civil war that brought down a house speaker in royal, the republican majority. now in a red district in rural virginia, this is where we will make our stand for the leader of the heart rate freedom caucus, bob good has been targeted by center-right republicans who are pushing state senator john mcguire's to knock off good in the june primary. >> i'm good. didn't come here to govern he came here to be famous. and he came here to get twitter followers and do all the stuff bob goods, wherein are jersey nice, not on the team >> is he barn stormed through his district, fellow hardliners this past week. good. said he was battling fellow republicans for the country. >> derrick van 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all bags could was one of the eight in the gop who voted for the unprecedented ouster of kevin mccarthy as speaker. now mccarthy allies are aiming to knock them off. >> how much you can do it, good voting to oust mccarthy. >> well, it has it has something to do with that, but more important than that, we've got a guy who, who will be a good member of our team, goods opponent, a former navy seal says he was not recruited by mccarthy told cnn, he spoke with the former speaker recently i believe that my opponent wants a bird at all about no solution kind of guy. so would >> you have voted to oust kevin mccarthy >> i would have never in 1 million years partnered with the bot the other party to take out our leader if you are helping the democrat team, take out the republican team, who's the rhino? >> the feud part of a larger battle over the gop's direction while many say they need to govern through bipartisan consensus, hard-liners like good push free, no approach >> i do not want to go no names. january without both goods sitting there in the trenches with me >> let the swamp take out the chairman of our freedom caucus. >> good has also clashed over pentagon spending. would defense hawks like house armed services chairman mike rogers, privately called good a danger to our country. recent fundraiser for maguire. still rodgers and others targeting good, don't want to talk about it. i am wondering why you're trying to defeat bob. good >> come why are you targeting bob? good. >> you need to run away. i mean, we're burner while you're talking about i've got just wanted to congratulate and thank governor ron desantis. good. has to navigate another landmark. his backing of governor ron desantis over donald trump in the primary. >> mr. good, when against president trump early, we can do a lot better than good. we can do great. >> now, his backing of two santa's turning tune attack ad from a new gop outside group donor to gave us the option for eight years that we need. i think we did eight years, but good is now aligning with trump, even stumping would trump's former mark meadows, was that a mistake to endorse >> why don't you get with the president? this is a time to rally behind president trump. >> my opponent wants to kill you divide people based on the past. >> maguire, who met with trump recently says of good, certainly he betrayed president trump. and i'm a big trump's are piling on marjorie taylor greene, hardliner, who endorsed maguire and wrote that good stab trump in the back. >> nobody cares what marjorie taylor greene says for things all as goods out i've tried to ease tensions, would try. >> i've done all i can to explain to president trump that his agenda will be executed to its best efficacy if we have bob good in congress in primaries, people fall in love in the general election. they fall in line >> now this race is one of four in which republican members are facing their own college being targeted by their own colleagues. and it used have 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