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for four years. i did that and it's the most left wing network in america. it's more left wing than your network. it's certainly more left wing than abc. msnbc is it. it owns its space. and that 1% is very important to their profit volume. nbc news has to hit a much bigger demo, so they're doing the best they can to bring in people like ronna, who knows everyone. so i ask you, as a news person, you're a professional. if you want to find out, let's say what john thune and john cornyn are doing in the senate race, who's ahead to succeed mitch mcconnell? there are only two people really in the running. maybe rick scott gets in. who are we going to call, not ghostbuster? are you going to call up ronna mcdaniel and say, would you run this down to us and come on meet the press this weekend and give us an informed point of view, as opposed to journalists talking in a green room about who they think has got strengths and weaknesses? to me, it's very, very easy. do you want to attract an audience? and nbc is a publicly traded company, and they need to bring in audience and they need to bring in ratings. and so but is that is perfect is that the standard for a news organization that you want, that the goal is not to convey information and report, but instead to have an eye simply towards the ratings? >> i mean, you're a conservative. you said yourself you were there for four years, i don't recall, and maybe i've missed all of your negative press in that respect, hugh, but you didn't get this backlash. oh i did, oh no no no no no, i mean, i mean, you're too young. no. well, well thank you. and i do look the part. but when you talk about the level of criticism in terms of not just based on your ideology, but, but she is being attacked because they do not believe that she is saying information, but that she is trying to serve. and please two masters as it's convenient. and that wasn't your standpoint, was it? >> i can't read her mind. i can't read her critics minds. all i can tell you is that she's a superb professional who knows everyone in town and will be a fine journalist, just like george is on abc and he was in the white house for eight years with bill clinton just like tim russert was. and tim russert used to work for mario cuomo. just like a whole bunch of people in this town move from the activist to the position of being an analyst or a commentator. and it's perfectly fine. one set of rules for everybody. and unless you're going to be a purist and you come up for the ranks and you never work in politics, that's not me. i worked in and out of politics very, very closely with richard nixon and ronald reagan and all sorts of different people along the way. you just bring it with you, and then the audience will judge what ought not to happen. some of her critics are being honest with themselves. laura. she'll be a fabulous commentator. >> well, we shall see. the critics are not silenced. and perhaps not persuaded by what you've said, but we'll see what happens. you bet. hugh hewitt, thank you so much for joining next. his father is serving time for organizing militia violence. on january sixth, but dakota adams is now running for office as a democrat. here's why. in his first tv interview and what he reveals about oath keepers founder and his father, stewart rhodes. >> now, adt professionally installs google nest products. cool. you're all set. >> aam this system we should go with the most trusted name in home security adds the intelligence of google. >> you have a home with no worries. brought to you by adt. >> it's better outside with ninja. cookouts are better with master grills. that char barbecue smoke and air fry weekends are better with lifeproof coolers that keep ice for days and have fridge temperature drawers for dry foods. because everything is better without soggy sandwiches, it's better outside with ninja consumer cellular. >> this is sam. how may i help you? 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