to be repeated, but in a prospective randomized trial, dr. jonathan ryan, i appreciate it. thank you. the news continues. the source with kaitlan collins starts now citing the source tonight, a top trump white house, a lawrence, the price >> of his defiance prison. peter navarro, the first senior member trump's inner circle to now serve time in connection to january 6, the man who dropped him off at prison today is here with us tonight also panic mode setting in for the former president and his orbit after he's facing a monday deadline to put up nearly a half $1 billion bond. my new reporting tonight from inside trump world also, jared kushner, sharing his thoughts about the potential for valuable waterfront property in war-torn gaza i'm kaitlan collins, and this is the source tonight, two men who were once firmly ensconced and donald trump's inner circle inside the white house have chosen two very different paths at that fork in the road that so many people in trump's world have often found themselves up before. either being with him or against him one is the former vice president mike pence, who may have chosen equivalent of the political wilderness. and of course that comes after he announced that he would not be endorsing his former boss in 2024 race something that trump responded to today couldn't care less. i couldn't care less. >> we need >> patriots, we need strong people in our country. our country is going downhill very fast, very rapidly. millions of people coming across the border, coming from jails for prisons, coming from mental institutions and insane asylums, we need strong people scott, you would need weak people >> weak people. the man that trump himself, pick to serve alongside him in the white house. the person who had is life put at risk on january 6 is according to donald trump, what he said today as he was going to vote in florida week all because pence said this issue of fealty to the constitution is not a small matter. i won't be endorsing donald trump this year. >> contrast that with peter navarro >> unlike mike >> pence, did try to help trump overturn the 2020 election by his own admission, i should note that former white house trade adviser checked into a federal prison in miami today to begin a for month stint for refusing to comply with subpoena from the january six congressional committee. i should say the after before he checked in, he gave these rambling remarks at a strip mall. you're a pizza place that was down the street from his new prison cell, not far from the miami zoo every person who has taken me on this road to that prison is a brilliant democrat >> and >> at trump haters, i will walk proudly in there and do my time. i am not nervous i'm that's what i'm feeling right now. they'd come for me they can come for you. god bless you all. i'll see you on the other side >> as you heard from peter navarro there, he's really blaming everyone except himself when of course he could have just gone in and testified or done what others did, showed up and taking the fifth and i should note, he talked to all democrats. there was chief justice john roberts, who denied that emergency request from peter navarro, which is why he did have to report to prison today. it's not like period of our has not had much to say publicly about what he was planning, what he was urging house republicans to do to delay the certification of the votes >> aye produce what would be an exhaustive three volume report. the plan was simply this. we had over 100 congressmen and senators on capital ready to implement the sweep. we were going to challenge the results of the election in six it's battleground states. most or all of those states would die certified the election >> he chose to go out in public and say that in interviews, he wrote about it in his memoir, but he declined to go even plead the fifth in front of the january 6 committee. that is why peter navarro replete reported to prison today. >> the >> bottom line here and the takeaway is that navarro is the first person in trump's orbit to face prison or any serve any time for anything related to january 6 courses is a contempt of congress case and of course, the big question also is what could happen to steve bannon? and if he loses his upcoming appeal, he could find himself in navarro's shoes ban and could potentially use our first guest tonight, sam mangel is a prison consultant who navarro brought on to help him prepare for what life is like on the inside. and sam, it's great to have you here tonight. i know you've already pocan to mr. navarro since you dropped him off this morning, how did he sound >> well, caitlin, you have to understand that when anyone goes to prison, it's a scary nerve-wracking experience entering a world where you're not used to and that you have no control over it is very scary told what time to get up, your total time to eat, your toe. we're asleep. >> no >> matter who you are, that is certainly a very disconcerting feeling i'm sure that peter is settled in. i've spoken to a number of clients that i have there and from what i've told been told, he's doing fine today, seem nervous at all given what you just laid out there >> anybody reporting to prison is nervous. i think this morning, he presented himself very well, very strong. but naturally, anyone going to federal prison is going to be nervous you lose all control. i don't care who you are. i don't care what your profile is when you're in their urine number urine eight digit number at 04:00 in the afternoon, you stand for count at 10:00 at night. you stand for count when you want to use a phone, you only have 510 minutes a month. when you want to use email, it's going to be subject to being monitored so regardless of who he is, he has to follow the same rules as everyone there >> yeah. i mean, it's a completely different life than what peter navarro has been or anyone has been used to. and we didn't. he kinda seemed to think that maybe he would get this emergency request granted by the by the appeals court in washington maybe wouldn't have to go. did he seem surprise that this moment was actually happening >> since i wasn't part of his legal team. that's kinda hard for me to comment on what he might have known or how we might have acted. i know that when i pick them up this morning, he was ready to go. i was with his attorney and and he was prepared to surrender. i'm sure that he was hoping for a different outcome. like anybody would have as a way to avoid the inevitable. but he was certainly prepared and ready to surrender i should note that this for people who don't know, this is the federal correctional institution in miami. it's a low security prison. you also previously were incarcerated there. you know what it's like to be in peter navarro issues and what he's going through. can you just kinda walk us through once you get inside, what happens next? what is the process on your the first day there first let me differentiate exactly where he is. well, yes, it is the fcr miami. there's a satellite camp to miami and it's adjacent to the actual facility to loose security facility in a satellite camp, you're considered community custody that means you're allowed out from six in the morning to roughly 930 at night. you're not in a cell. he's going to be in an open dorm with up to 80 other men. so there is substantially more liberty and freedom while at the camp >> as long as >> you follow the rules and your work when you have to work, you take classes when you take classes, he will be fine and maintain that level of liberty >> did he express interest in taking classes and doing that kind of work that's available there. >> absolutely i, think he's eager to get in as an inmate at a camp. you're able to both teach classes to other inmates and if required under the first step act, take classes. so i think somebody like him or any client that has a wealth of knowledge that they can impart on other inmates should take advantage of teaching inmates what they know. ultimately with the mindset of helping them when they get out >> i just mentioned that when you look at where this satellite campuses on a map, it's pretty close to the miami zoo. how close? exactly is it? i mean, you can you tell from being side of their i'm close. you are >> so when i was there, i was the first one up. i was up before o'clock in the morning. they finished count at five at 05:30 in the morning, i was the first one up and they have a pavilion outside where they have three spin bikes and a bank of televisions i went outside in the morning to exercise 05:00 in the morning or 530, you heard the lions and every morning you would hear the lions roar. so yes, you are adjacent to the zoo. >> you can hear the lions roar you can absolutely hear the lions roar every morning >> i mean, that's kind of remarkable that that's, that's the location that someone who is a senior white house adviser is going to be in what he'll be experiencing. i know it's also one of the oldest prison camps in the country. what are the facilities like? what does it look like on the inside of where hoping >> sure there are four separate dorms. the dorms typically hold about 80 men in bunk beds. so there's 40 beds on each side. they're open, they're open dorms, so there is no privacy within the institution tuition, or within the dorm itself. you could literally look from one bed on one end of the dorm all the way down to the other. a good 75 feet down. there is obviously privacy within the bathroom and the showers. but in this dorm setting you lack privacy and that is typical of many of the older federal prisons. >> can i ask you, sam, as well because peter navarro, someone i knew when i was at the white house covered when he was trade adviser, he's been very open about his struggled to pay his legal bills because they have been quite high as he's been fighting what essentially culminated today for you specifically, did did he have a backer who paid you? but did he pay you directly? how did that work >> i don't think it'd be appropriate to assess how i was retained, but i was retained by peter >> okay. >> sam mangel. thank you for coming on to describe something that very few people could actually shed light on. we really appreciate your time thank you. paler >> also here tonight, former deputy assistant to president biden, jamal simmons and cnn political commentator se cup. i mean, i still it's pretty remarkable to hear sam talk about what peter navarro is going to be living through that he's going to be waking up in this prison where he can hear the lions from the miami x2 roar in the mornings >> i mean, i think it also i don't want to make light of this. it doesn't sound that bad compared to i think a lot of the conditions that a lot of other not special, not wealthy, not white-collar criminals have to endure in prison no offense, but like it sounds a really tough time in there. i don't think it's going to be that tough. and for a guy who willingly put himself here, i think this is the consequences. the >> other thing to think about is he's also in his '70s that is obviously a factor. her you heard say i mentioned that, but it is important to remember why he's here. yeah. because he was someone who openly talked about a plan to delay the certification of the votes on capitol hill. i mean, it's it's written in his memoir. >> and then right. and then refused to go and basically incriminate trump because what you have to do of people who wok because i no longer want to have to lie for donald trump. it's true of his preferred media outlets. they have to lie about the facts. and worse, it's truth is voters who will spread his lies because they're loyal to him hundreds of them now are in jail because of a lie. he told on january 6, well, what did you make of the remarks that he gave before going in where he was basically blaming everyone. the judges hear democrats, president biden, even for what is very clearly the result of his own action by defining a congressional subpoena it was bananas. >> i mean, really i mean, only the best people listen. i had been through a security clearance check, getting a job with the white house. i have had to talk to white house lawyers about various actions before we took them and make sure things get cleared and you get an exit interview view and you leave me you sit down with people and they talk you through what you're responsibilities are. and if you've had any access to information and what you can divulge and how much you go through. a lot of legal exercise, i this man did not have to be in this position right? he didn't have to be here. he's here because he chose to take a series of actions including trying to stop a federal election, but even at the >> after all that, the >> only reason he's in jail is because he did not appear in front of congress when they call them all. he had to do was show up and say, i don't want to answer that question. take the fifth or whatever. he didn't do it. this is another example of the trump people believed they don't have to play by the rules as everyone else because donald trump doesn't play by the rules. and that has filtered all the way through his crowd when he claimed he had executive privilege. but trump's legal team never came out to say, oh, that's true. here's all this evidence. tobacco that up. >> well, you know, trump only cares about defending trump. i mean, trump will throw anyone any body, any warm body in front of a bus to avoid his own being held accountable. so that's not surprising either. >> a c cup, 12 sevenths, it's great to have you both on to talk about that up next new reporting tonight on the panic in trump world over that half $1 billion bond coming due and just a matter of days also tonight, we're digging into a major new ruling from the supreme court on immigration justices arguing it will only invite chaos and crisis >> news night with 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increasingly concerned about the optics that that march 25 deadline could bring. given he is someone who has long tied his identity to his wealth, and he could find himself confronting a real financial crisis in just a matter of days. trump posted eight times. so than two hours this morning on truth social, arguing that he shouldn't have to put up that money and saying, quote, that he would be forced to mortgage or sell great assets. perhaps it fire sale prices. >> and >> if and when i win the appeal, they would be gone trump has continued to privately lash out at the attorney general here in new york. letitia james, who brought this case, and the judge, arthur engoron. here tonight is cnn senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, elie honig and las should note that trump's chain when we asked about the concern that he has over making this half-a-billion-dollar bond called it pure bs and noted that he has filed this motion to stay with calling an unjust and unconstitutional judgment. what they're asking for is either don't make us pay this while we're appealing or let this bad be a lot smaller than this. nearly half $1 billion >> what do you make of this new reporting though? >> so they should be perfect. i mean, this is this is real like it may not have said in yet for donald trump, but this deadline of monday is real. this judgment is 400 plus million dollars. and what's going to happen on monday if trump cannot post the bond is letitia james has made very clear she will start the process of seizing his assets, of freezing, putting liens on his bank accounts, his real estate holdings and that's going to be devastating for him. and there's no sort of shortcut here that's what's going to happen if he doesn't come up with a bond, are reporting and what i was hearing for people is that he was basically counting on chubb, which put up the bond for the e jean carroll case to help here. but the problem is, is that he doesn't have as much to leverage when it comes to a second. on that is one much bigger, two obviously, the second one that he's now doing in just a matter of weeks and realistically, what options does his legal team half here and $90 million is one-fifth of $400 million or so. so he's in a tough spot. there are two things that can bail trump out of this. one is, remember he has moved to the court of appeals in new york, the appellate division, asking them to reduce the amount of the bond that happens. sometimes it's hard to say how often, because there's no sort of overarching data on it, but there are examples of the appeals court coming in and reducing a bond by at 90%. so perhaps he'll get bailed out by the court and the other option is he comes up with the money, whether he has some sort of angel investor or some sort of generous donor, or perhaps some company like chubb that's willing to take a risk, but the status quo now, he has scoured the earth and been able, unable to come up with that. >> how likely is he to get this appeals court to come to his saving here? >> it's hard to say because the judgment amount here is mammoth and there are examples there's an example where one court of appeals took a 38 million judgment and knocked it down to $10,000. that's a huge reductions. so he's got a shot. i mean, i think if he's just waiting and hoping on that, he could be setting himself up for real disappointment. i think the better course of action is to get the money together if i was advising him. so i would i'd say he's got a shot, but i wouldn't bank on it. >> i mean, when it comes to this though, if he's not banking on that, you know, he's got days left here. >> yeah, it's what does it tuesday? >> yeah, he's got six days. i mean letitia james is going to be ready to roll out and start seizing these properties. that's real and she's made clear she is giving him no leeway whatsoever. yeah. >> course we know the e jean carroll case that was kinda the 11th hour when he came in with that agreement there from the insurance giant, we'll see if it happens there. but the other thing that's going on as i mean, he's facing other legal expenses still as well. it's got these criminal cases that are approaching his legal team today, just filed their other brief and the immunity argument to the supreme court. and in it, there basically kinda suggesting this off-ramp of if the court doesn't agree sending it back down to a lower court, which would essentially help with their strategy of delaying all of this. >> that would be donald trump's teams dream come true to get it sent back down. i want to make claire just read through this brief recently, i just came in a couple hours ago. were very reasonable, hasn't tonight? yes. is it a few hours ago >> the term absolute immunity gets a bad rap. it's a little misleading. donald trump is not arguing. i'm automatically covered by everything that happened from the moment i took the oath until the moment i left, what he's arguing is that i'm covered for my official acts within the scope of the presidency. and that's what could lead to the outcome that you discussed just now, if the supreme court says, okay, you can be covered for something within the presidency. now the district court, the trial court, you have to do fact-finding as to whether the charges here relate to something inside the president's you're outside the presidency. that'll be a win for donald trump. >> so i read through there's also in the brief includes state it's not surprising with their argument is because we've been hearing this official acts argument, but they also include statements like this saying that he communicated with the vice president, the vice president's official staff members of congress to urge them to exercise their official duties and the election certification process in accordance with the base position decision based on voluminous information available to president trump in his official capacity, that the election was tainted by extensive fraud and irregularities? >> yeah >> it's not true that >> some spin, right. i mean, how does the supreme court read something like that? that's the problem. the argument that he if he was within a scope, he's covered. that's potentially legitimate but the twisting of logic and reality that trump has to do to get there, to get what he did within the scope of the presidency is facially ridiculous. he says well, i was just calling the vice president and asked him to do his job. i was just calling the georgia secretary of state and ask him to do his job. well, he wasn't i mean, we've seen the calls. we've heard the testimony. he's asking them to vial there. oath of office. that's where i think he's going to run into trouble and there's one more thing that i have to noted about the brief donald trump's lawyers make the mistake of saddling a good, decent argument about whether he's in the scope or not with a ridiculous argument which is this impeachment argument that he can only be indicted. these been impeached and convicted by the senate >> i don't know why they include that. they don't need that. and to me that syncs the arguments. so if i'm advising trump's legal team, which i'm not, but if i'm advising at any normal person, i would say leave out the lousy argument, just bank on the good one here >> and that is included in here that will save supreme court response to it >> interesting. thanks for responding to that new reporting and that brief if the supreme court is i'm making a lot of decisions for americans, including on immigration today. that's a big one for now. they are letting a texas law stance saying that state police can rust migrants suspected of crossing the border illegally. this is raising raising huge concerns to know about potential rachel profile will speak to the head of the border troll union right after this >> sanity needs to safe space >> you have a show where right-left talk to each other cnn presents an encore presentation of hbo's real time 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emphasis on for now can make its own rules to deal with a legal immigration that is the us supreme court's decision as they just cleared the way for that controversial new all that would let any texas law enforcement officer, including local police to arrest anyone that they suspect of entering the country illegally. the department of homeland security has just wade and tonight's saying that this decision quote, makes it harder for the dhs workforce forced to do its job. this is not the final decision. >> i should >> note the law could still still be struck down as it is making its way through the courts. but tonight in the state of texas, there is a situation where two of the courts were liberal justices called an invitation for further chaos in crisis. >> the >> governor there of course, praise this decision by the supreme court. here to weigh in on all of this tonight is bread and judd, the president of the national border patrol council, who supports the law that is known commonly as sb4. and it's great to have you back on the show, brandon. but we're hearing from the mexican government tonight, who said it will not accept anyone who has sent back by the state of texas. so how is this going to work >> first off, i don't think that that's going to be an issue when you look at people crossing the border illegally, what they're going to try to avoid is they're going to try to avoid a conviction. a criminal conviction on their record, because the vast majority these people that come to the united states illegally, they are going to hope that sometime down the line, they're going to be able to apply for either citizenship or permanent resident status in the united states. and when you have a criminal conviction on your record that becomes nearly impossible. so they're going to avoid that like the plague. so what i, what i foresee happening is that once the word gets out that texas is going to arrest you for criminal trespass. this is not an immigration law. this is this is trespassing in the state of texas when you're going to be arrested for that, i suspect that the traffic is going to move to new mexico, arizona, and california because people are going to avoid that criminal conviction on the record. >> this he's going to be a huge win for the state of texas, not necessarily for border security across the board, but for texas, it's going to be a huge win. >> well, we know obviously tucson has already been dealing with with the height of this crisis, but if it's, if it's just temporary, which was something that was stressed by the court today as it's still making its way through other legal challenges, is it really going to be that much of a deterrent? do you think >> it is in the immediacy? so what happens, what we see with illegal immigration all the time, it takes a little bit of time for the word to spread what is taking place when you hold people in custody that people stopped coming, when you actually apply by a consequence people stopped coming. but it takes a little bit of time for that word, just spread it, but it doesn't take a whole, a whole lot of days. so i do expect to see in a drop in illegal immigration in the state of texas very quickly. and again, it's just going to move. now, if we saw other governors do the exact same thing, then we would see a drop pop and illegal immigration across the entire southwest border. but unfortunate unfortunately for us that's not going to happen. >> but okay. so you're saying that you think that this will be helpful in texas. i hear your concerns. what it's spreading to other states that do not have a similar law. but i think the question is how they enforce this because we are hearing from a lot of law enforcement in the state of texas tonight you say they don't have the manpower to carry something like this out. they don't have the beds spaces in jails for some for these kinds of arrest that they now have the authority to make. so how difficult is this for local law enforcement to actually even do? >> so? i'm in contact with local law enforcement and in texas quite often, i'm also in contact with governor's office and they're not concerned about this because they know that it's going to be a short-term rush. they know that in the immediacy you're going to have to arrest an awful lot of people. but that's going to alleviate as time goes by, as people, as the word gets out, and you're going to have less people crossing, so you're not going to be putting a lot of resources towards this as time goes on. again, you pay up front for the long-term benefit and that's what texas is doing here. i also have to look at what dhs just put out and they said that it's going to cause chaos and i disagree with that 100 percent. they said the exact same thing when texas came in and sees shelby park and we didn't see any chaos. in fact, what we saw as we saw border patrol agents were able to be freed up to go to more troubled spots, to go after the criminal activity. there was zero chaos. there's not gonna be any chaos in this either >> i mean, that's a bold proclamation. you said that you've heard from law enforcement that you think that this won't be an issue. i will say the maverick county sheriff said that they're not going to accept migrants suspected migrants being arrested because he said he just doesn't have the room for that. but the other concern here that we've heard from people tonight, and i wonder what your thoughts on this are it is about racial profiling. the dallas police chief mentioned this in their statement tonight, say that there are real concerns that this could contribute to that even far away from the southern border, are you worried that this is something that could be a likelihood for people in the state of texas who now feel like they have to carry around different kinds of identification because of this law >> so what i have to look at as i have to look at the history, look at texas dps is history and they do not have a history of racial profiling. they have a history of very pleasant history of law enforcement no. no. okay. but there's several other laws that lots of people have said could cause racial profiling we have to wait and see, but we do know that texas dps does not have a history of racial profiling. we know that border patrol agents do not have a history of racial profiling. there's a lot of law enforcement organizations out there that do not have that history. and when you put in place proper training we see that law enforcement officers act within the scope of law. that's what they want to do. the vast majority of law enforcement officers put on a uniform so that they can go out and protect the american people. and also properly enforced the law, the bad apples, you need to weed them out. but there are very few bad apples and it has been proven time and time again. and go back to the resource issue of of the sheriff. the sheriff doesn't have to enforce this law. is sheriff of a county. they have prosecutorial discretion. they don't have to do it. what we do know is going to happen is that state police officer, state dps, they will enforce the law and they do have the resources to do it. and they do not have a history of racial profiling. >> okay. well, i mean, those are two major beds we'll see what it looks like now that it is in place at least for now, breda jed. thank you for coming on and sharing your insight. >> thank you. kaitlyn. appreciate it. >> also tonight, former president donald trump once said that his son-in-law would create peace in the middle east. but tonight, jared kushner suggesting palestinians could be moved get out of areas, maybe they could be built up the former areas where they used to live because they could have valuable property potential will play their marks on. let you hear it for yourself right after this las vegas wouldn't be here if it wasn't in constant state of evolution. >> the media inaugurated a new hero for the stars. why did 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as a foreign policy advisor to his father-in-law, donald trump. and tonight he is getting a lot of attention for what he said during a talk at harvard about what's happening and what could happen inside of gaza >> both sides are spending a fortune on military. i think neither side really wants to have a terrorist organization enclave right between them. and gaza's waterfront property. it could be very valuable to if people would focus on building up livelihoods. do you think about all the money that's gone into this tunnel network? working into all the munitions, if that would have gone into education or innovation. what could have been done. and so i think that it's a little bit of an unfortunate situation there, but i think from israel's perspective, i would do my best to move the people out and then clean it up. >> here to weigh in. josh rogan, columnist for the washington post, josh, i just have to get your initial reaction to those remarks by jared kushner my initial reaction is sort of shock. i know we shouldn't be shocked at this point by the sheer sort of callousness and insensitive e-tivity of calling it a little unfortunate when 30,000 people have been killed there's terrorist attack that killed hundreds of israelis. the entire regions in flames. and jared kushner because reaction is, oh well, you know, it's a real shame. we can put some condos here if that's my initial reaction, but if you put that aside, i think what the takeaway here is that what we see is a preview to what a trump administration, israel policy would really look like. jared kushner said, the quiet part out loud that he thinks we should move the people out and clean it up. okay. >> and >> if that's not exactly a call for forced displacement of 2 billion palestinians and ethnic cleansing it does, but it's pretty close. it's kind of getting there and that is really troubling prospect for an american administration. but it also could be sort of a dog a whistle to some parts of the israeli establishment actually favor of that plan >> yeah. >> is the part that stood out to me as well where he talked about moving the people out as were his exact words there. and i think what's the important context here is donald trump is someone who often speaks his mind. one thing we have not heard a lot from him about in recent months since it's october 7 is how he'd be handling what is happening inside gaza right now, if he were in the oval office and i wonder what what those comments by jared kushner, someone who did play a key role in the white house what that says to you about what it could look like if trump was in office amid something like this? >> right now, jared kushner has said that he doesn't plan to join a second trump administration if that's a thing. nevertheless, it's pretty clear that donald trump listens to him on these issues and i'm old enough to remember the last administration when he did lead these issues and his plan then was pretty much the same way. we'll make a deal, we'll do some real estate deals in the palestinians will be api and and we'll normalize relations. everything would be dory, but it didn't work out because the palestinians are not just interested in real estate, they're interested in dignity and sovereignty, and autonomy and all of the things that most humans want out of these types of situations. so i think what it says is that the trump administration, if it follows this pattern, would be one that aligns with the very far right right react parts of the netanyahu coalition who are now not so quietly calling for exactly what jared just called for, which is the resettlement of gaza. what jared said, if you listen to more of that speech, which i unfortunately had to do to prepare for this interview. is that while wars happened in borders change in gaza is not a real thing and the arrows will have to take the palestinians and tough luck to the palestinians that was, boiling it down to be sure, but that was the gist of it and you could imagine the trump administration taking exactly that tak and there are a lot of criticisms to be head of the biden administration's approach to israel. but i think most fair minded people in america would say that the aligning the us policy with the forest rightist parts of the netanyahu called be a disaster. >> it also just even pulling it back some from the middle east reminded me of when trump was talking to kim jong on about the idea of waterfront property in north korea. and what that could look like he actually mentioned it at a summit in 2018 after he had met with the dictator, just a reminder of what trump said there they have great beaches you see that whenever they're exploiting their cannons into the ocean, right? if i said, look at that pretty what would that make a great condo behind? >> and >> i explained, i said, you know, instead of doing that, you could have the best hotels in the world right there think of it from a real estate perspective, you have south korea, 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viewed as one of the last gasps of the never trump movement, if you will, trying to push back against the maga movement. so you have the establishment wing of the republican party here in ohio. governor mike dhawan, former senator rob portman, backing matt dolan, a state senator, whose family owns a cleveland guardians, and they were really pushing for his candidacy, but it was the trump back to bernie moreno, who won tonight. and the sense of this, i mean, there's no doubt that trump controls the republican party, but there are still is a sense of some outliers out there and a policy matter governor dwyane was talking specifically imploring republicans to consider foreign policy, consider funding for ukraine. those arguments simply did not win the day. so just a short time ago in cleveland, bernie moreno, who was a former car dealer a colombian immigrant. he had this to say about as when and who he thanked >> i also want to thank president trump. i just got off the phone with president trump >> and the reality is, we have an opportunity now. we have an opportunity now to retire the old kami and send them to the retirement home and then say this country >> so presumably burning maria was talking about senator brown. there have courses the seeking his fourth term here in ohio, and i centered the brand has always a run better than democrats have. his brand has been stronger than democrats, but kaitlan, that will be tested a new over the next eight months leading into november. there is no doubt ohio has increasingly become a red state the last time he was on the ballot, senator brown. it was a more of a blue wave in 2018. so this will be one of the mark key senate races. the reason is because only two seats could tip control of the senate come november yeah, jeff, if people weren't home wondering why do i care who won the republican primary in ohio in the senate race? i mean, it really does matter. and could come good golf, come down to who which party does control the us senate come november, whether it's biden to the white house or donald trump >> without question. and there are only two democratic us senators, sherrod brown here in ohio and jon tester in montana, who are up for reelection in red states in trump, one states. >> so that is why control of the senate is so important. of course, to everything regardless of who wins the white house, it could be split. i mean, if president biden wins reelection, he could have a republican senate. if donald trump wins, you could have a democratic controlled senate. so that indeed is why it matters. and ohio has long been a battleground state for the white house that has changed over recent years, but it is absolutely ground zero for the senate control. and kaitlyn, an interesting point is we will see if this was a wise decision by november, but democrats chuck schumer's linked superpac, invested some $3 million to try and boost bernie moreno in the final days of the race they think he is the weaker candidate to take on sherrod brown. >> we will see >> about that. we've seen democrat sort of meddling in >> these republican primaries before. they did it tonight here in ohio. but now the race is on. no doubt that toughest race of sherrod brown's long career. >> that's really interesting. so democrats were spending money. you're saying in the days before this race to boost this candidate. on the other out of all three of the republicans who are running, because basically, i mean that does signify even if they don't outright say it that they think he'd be easier to win come november to be come november without it out. >> i mean, senator schumer is as a student, as a politician as there is and he did not control this, but his closely linked superpac of people from his orbit who run the spending a decided to boost moreno through ads saying that he was the most conservative in the race. they tied him to trump's. so it really elevated his stature in the final days here. and again, we've seen some of this is meddling by both sides it's in primaries, but it's an open question and erase now we're donald trump will be on the ballot here in november. he was projected the winter tonight in ohio as well as we'll share at brown. and the only way for sherrod brown to win is by winning some trump voters. and i talked to senator brown yesterday. he said he acknowledges he knows this is the toughest race. he's ever had, but he also says that he runs better than his party, better than presidents in his party he certainly will have to be reelected. >> yeah. >> it's going to be a very interesting brace in an >> increasingly read ohio. jeff zeleny on the ground columbus. thank you for that. >> and speaking of this, >> 2024 stage, of course, we know we've got a presidential election rematch that between biden and trump right now as they are both the presumptive nominees. >> but >> there are still one question tonight about who else could be on the ticket, maybe on all states, but in certain states that group no labels has been running out of options lately for their long-shot third-party bid. so far, they have not found anyone willing to run on the ticket, at least not publicly that we have learned about as we've been reporting on this behind the scenes, my next guest just withdrew his name from consideration. that is former lieutenant governor of georgia, jeff duncan, who but mostly it was previously a political commentator here at cnn and jeff, it's great to have you on you know, you've talked about why you would drew your family, but on the political aspect of this, what what swayed you against getting on the no labels ticket? >> well, first and foremost, our family passes along are heartfelt gratitude for just a very professional process by no labels, donors advisers, folks in the organization. it was a first-class operation for me that just the political math of being somebody that's just coming onto the scene, not having a ton of name id and a short runway to get to november just didn't make the math possible for me, but i certainly hope they're able to put a strong candidate forward. so i've got somebody to vote for. i'm like tens of millions of other americans >> yeah. do you do you think that there'll be able to though because it seems like every candidate that they've approached that we know about his said no, thanks, but no thanks. >> well, i certainly hope so. i mean, in the few weeks i was around the hoop with these guys. i just was continued to be refreshed by the conversations meeting after meeting after meeting talking about real solutions instead of just talking about problems, whether it be donors supporters, advisers, everybody was circling around. that's how america is supposed to be solving these problems. and i certainly hope they're able to we have talked a strong ticket >> unfortunately, we're running up against ended our thank you for coming on to give