gave script trump, polling data to a russian intelligence agent. not to mention was jailed for fraud and then pardoned by trump, has now on talks to return for the republican national convention after a flood of conspiracies, princess kate was just seen on camera for real this time. we think that renewed speculations since she underwent surgery in january i'm kaitlan collins, and this is the source donald trump is finally acknowledging tonight that he does not have the cash that he is long claim. he does. and it comes exactly one week before he needs to fork over at least $464 million to cover that fraud judgment against him here in new york i say at least because there's also interest $115,000 a day to be precise terms, lawyers telling a core today that their client is facing, quote, insurmountable difficulties that he can't pay the bond and he can't find anyone to underwrite it. he was denied by more than 30 companies that they approached to help each one unwilling to accept his real estate holdings as collateral. instead, they want money. that means the new york attorney general, tish james, could start collecting as soon as next week as trump is facing the very real prospect that some of his accounts could be frozen its properties seized, or both. it's a precarious situation for the presumptive republican nominee for president. and it gets to the very heart of what this whole fraud trial was about inflating the value of his assets claiming that they're worth more than they actually are. not to mention inflating how much cash he actually has >> a lot of cash, i believe that we have substantially in excess of 400 million cash, which is a lot for a developer developers usually don't have cash, they have assets, not cash we have i believe 400 plus and going up very substantially every month i quote there at the end, going up substantially every month apparently is not true. a reminder about what his attorney who argued and then lost this case had to say about this this guy is worth a lot of money, billions and billions of billions of dollars. he happens have a lot of cash. of course he has money and he's a billionaire. we know that there will be a bond and there'll be no issues with that hello. >> apparently, there are that much was clear today by what his attorneys told a ct urine new york, these authority issues, of course, for the man who has staked his entire identity on being wealthy, even appearing and movies like home alone two is a rich new yorker, not to mention that theme song for his own tv show it is no surprise what's on trump's mind tonight, he often make that quite clear on his own website and he posted just a few moments ago that a bond, this big is practically impossible. so bowl for any company to pay possibly foreshadowing that not only does he not have the money right now, it also may not be coming by the deadline i'm joined tonight by the man whose testimony jump-started the new york fraud case and stands to be a key witness in the one criminal case against donald trump that could go to trial before the election? he's spent more than a decade working as trump's personal attorney before writing the book revenge and hosting the podcast may copa political beat down, like cohen, welcome back to the source. great to have you here. i just wonder what you make of this prospect that your former boss finds himself in of having his attorneys go and say we're not gonna be able to post this bond right now. >> well, in 2018, you may remember when i spoke before the house oversight committee with elijah cummings and i stated that he's a con man. he's a fraud and he's achieved once again, what i stated holds true. donald trump doesn't tell the truth, whether it's about his finances or about anything. >> we actually have that moment because i was looking at that today and thinking about that at one point, you were speaking with congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. this is what you told her to your knowledge, did the president ever provide inflated assets to an insurance company >> yes. >> and where would the committee find more information on this? do you think we need to review his financial statements and his tax returns in order to compare them. >> yes. and you'd find it at the trump org >> did you ever think that moment that we'd be at a situation like we're in right now? >> no. i didn't i didn't think that they would ultimately take it to this length. even though it's not a difficult case to prove if something is worth $1, it's worth $1. if it's $10, it's worth $10, it's not worth 100, which is what donald had done. and remember something every statement that i made to congress was backed up by documentary evidence consistently, they would post something up on the board to show a document, whether it was a check or some other form of documentary evidence to the members of congress in order to substantiate and validate what saying i want to talk more about your testimony, but but on what happened today, the fact that his attorneys are saying 30 companies, they went to them and they said, no, we're not going to underwrite this bond. obviously, they don't like having real estate as collateral, which is where most of his net worth is tied up. but i wonder just as someone who knows him, how you think he took that yeah, he didn't take it. well, but i understand the reason why the bonding companies don't like real estate as an asset first of all, people don't understand that donalds basis in these properties are extremely low for example, 40 wall street, $1 was his acquisition. so if that property gets sold same is waiting at the lawyer's office to collect its tax and tax comes first after-tax comes mortgage, and after the mortgage that he has onto it, whatever the remaining amount is, that's what he'll be able to use in order to satisfy this year 500, even if there was a fire sale, basically, it would just create a whole another a subset of problems for you because a fire sale is even worse because it reduces the amount of money that ultimately would be left for him to use to pay off this $500,000,000 debt. >> mark levin, the fox host, tweeted just a few moments ago and said asked, why are there no republican multibillionaire is offering to len president trump the funds to file his appeal in the outrageous case in new york state, or none of them liquid enough to help or join with others to help. this is an outrage >> yeah. well, good for marcu should be the first one to start donating to donalds fund. and who knows the real problem that we as americans need to be watching is where the money, if at all comes from. it's going to come from qatar is going to come from saudi arabia. could it come through some back-channel oligarchic from russia? >> if in fact that >> happens, just think about the danger that donald trump is putting america and our national security at risk. he will now be indebted to a foreign entity. and as a potential president of the united states, imagine if god forbid 1 million times that he wins imagine the indebtedness that he will have to a foreign entity over the benefit and the needs of america. >> do you think that should be a very real concern? >> should be a real concern to every american who's going to be voting come november you know him. >> i just wonder what you think is on his mind tonight, just looking at the fact that this is due in a week and they don't have the money for it. >> yeah. he's really angry right now. >> that's that's >> what that's what happens when donald gets frustrated. he gets angry when there's a situation that is completely out of his control and we know that it is out of his control. 30 different lender said, hey, thank you, but no, thank you. we just can't do it. and he's not wrong about that. to post a 500 million bond is not easy to do. no matter who you are now, to be fair, there are plenty of billionaires that could stroke that check in heartbeat and many have who have had issues for substantially greater than 500 million, which brings me to the point that donald is so fast to call for everyone to be charged with perjury. that's his new thing. he likes everyone to get charged with 1001 violation. myself included what about the fact that he swore under oath to judging boron that he had more than 400 million in the bank? well, i'd like to know where the money is. where's the 400 million that you swore under oath that existed that alina habba and others had come out and stated yeah, he's really rich, he's, you know, he's a billionaire and he's got the money as they said in, what do you call it? you know, tom cruise. show me the money >> i can i ask you around wire the other jerry maguire can ask about the other development today though that happened here in new york, which is in trump's first criminal case, that could go to trial before the election. it's been delayed, but the judge did deny an effort by trump's team to block, you from testifying. and stormy daniels and karen mcdougal saying, yes, you can testify that that trial is also been delayed by at least a month because all of these documents it's were turned over to trump's defense team just recently, including your phone records, some of your text messages, your phone calls. is there anything in there that could help that could help trump's legal team and hurt prosecutors. >> so i don't even know what the documents are i haven't had an opportunity to see them what i do know is that the district attorney more than a year ago, made a request to the southern district of new york asking for all of these documents that are relevant to search terms. and what they got, they turned over, which is part of discovery this is on the southern district of new york and the department of justice for failing to turn it over and the delay is their it's their mistake, not the manhattan da's, but could it affect this case? i highly doubt it. >> michael cohen. thank you for being here also here tonight as a journalist who spent years tracking donald trump's money, dissecting his business deals. and frankly exposing the gaps between image and reality. dan alexander, senior editor, forbes, and the author of white house inke, regular here on the source and it's great to have you here, dan, because you've just heard what michael cohen was saying about what donald trump and his legal team are up against next week, realistically, what options does he have tonight? >> well, he's going to need a sell properties more leverage things. and the tricky thing for trump is if you look at his assets, these aren't simple assets. so, you know, he has limited partnership stakes and things. he has buildings that are on ground leases. he has golf clubs that have agreements with hundreds of members. it's not like you can just take these things in market and then a week, sell them for what they should get but now, because they've spent so much time searching for a bond that he wasn't going to get. now, they're going to have to take something to market very, very fast. >> and >> that probably means that they're going to sell it for less than it's worth and if he sells a bunch of different things all at once to try to gather this amount of money, which is the only way really that he's going to do it, or to leverage him. he's going to end up with a much smaller empire. then he has right now, if he was never going to get that bond as you just phrased it, do you think that they should have been do it as weeks ago instead of doing this, maybe a week before it's actually due. >> there's no question. i mean, if you look at his big liquidy events recently, for example, the refinancing of 555 california street in san francisco that was a deal that took over a year sure. if you look at the sale of the dc hotel, same thing. that thing took a couple of years in order to get the sorts of pricing that you need for these large marquee assets, you need a lot of time. you can't do that in a week. but now he needs the cash and so he's going to be forced into these fire sales and difficult financing arrangements where either he's going to get bailed out by a buddy or somebody who has something to gain from being a business partner with trump or he's going to be in business with somebody who is demanding enormous interest rates. and so it's going to get really, really expensive for him very fast. >> well, you just heard michael cohen talking about the concerns his national security concerns of what that could look like by who could bail trump? about here. i mean, you just mentioned friends. i mean, what are the options there? what does that actually who actually is out there that could potentially front tim half, a half $1 billion we know the problem is that people who have that kind of money got there by being smart generally. and so to stroke a check for half 1 billion with this guy and you don't know if he's going to pay you back, if things go south, you know, he's famous for saying, oh, my lenders are sharks. i don't have to pay it back. he hasn't paid back lenders for years that's going to be a difficult check for anybody to write even if they do have the cash, it's just the numbers don't make sense. and you start to get to this situation where as you said, trump and boast about what his assets are worth than they are worth a lot of money but when it actually gets time to sign deals, it's gonna be really difficult for smart, sophisticated people to just stroke those checks with no worries unless they're extract in terms from them. what's the likelihood that we're in a situation where we see the stapes seizing trump's assets i don't think it's very very unlikely. i mean, i think there's real possibility. in fact, i think that trump there's a chance that he might like the spectacle of that he sits back and they seize the assets and he says, this is all which on a look now they're taking my empire you could see him getting political point out of that. however, it's going to come at and enormous cost whose business the time when he could control what's going to happen to the business is closing fast, where he could pick which assets to leverage or pick which assets to sell. pretty soon somebody else is going to be making those decisions as michael just laid out, there are people who have to get paid back before this goes to the judgment, especially with some of these complicated assets, if you end up in fire sales, you might not actually squeeze that much money out of it that can go to the judgment. and therefore, you could have to seize 123 foot lots of assets and all of a sudden that empire really starts to shrink >> trump hates the word bankruptcy. the new york times reminded me tonight that, that he is often referred to it is the b word and that's because of the history of his own companies filing for bankruptcy six times over the years is that something that you also think could be a likelihood here >> i think it's a real possibility for somebody who hates the word he sure. use the bankruptcy code a lot and there are assets that were in trouble because of reasons that have nothing to do with this case. long before this case happens. so for example, 40 wall you know, you have a treacherous ground lease. it's going to escalate their and nine years and you have the office troubles that are infecting every office or in the country, that loan comes due a year from now, it would not be a huge surprise to see a bankruptcy at that asset, and i wouldn't be surprised to see him elsewhere too, as he tries to build fences around certain things to try to protect what he's built up. >> it would just be so remarkable to see the state seizing the assets of the presumptive republican nominee just speaks to the moment we're in dan alexander. great to have you, michael cohen as well. thank you both for starting us off. tonight. up next, he went to prison before donald trump pardoned him as he was on his way out of the 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summer and milwaukee the presumptive republican nominee for president, of course, knows all about his former campaign chairs crimes. trump pardoned paul manafort before he left office. that was after robert muller came out and said that manafort broca deal to cooperate with investigators i feel very badly for paul metaphor that feel badly for them. i think it's a very sad situation >> and i saw that just a little while ago. and certainly on a human basis, it's very sad that a very sad thing. >> i'm doing >> tonight by the former defense secretary under president trump, mark esper, and secretary, i do think that someone like paul manafort should be anywhere near the republican national convention, given what i just laid out >> well good evening, kaitlan. it wouldn't seem to be the case in most instances, right? in the normal campaign. but look, as in many others have said, trump vow values, loyalty above all else. and i think the fact that paul manafort went to went to prison and then has remained pro trump since then has encouraged incurred favor, if you will, with with donald trump and he likes that. he likes that loyalty. he likes that fealty and it's clear again, he's trying to put his people in key positions. he's already overtaken the rnc by putting it and his folks is daughter-in-law. other people he's going he's done the same with throughout the republican party. so this is just another step. if that indeed happens, i think when you just step back and look at this, i mean, yes, paul manafort is someone who looked back at bob dole and brown reagan. he has helped with conventions before, but that would be ignored his most recent history and the fact that he passed polling data and intelligence to it to pull the data toy russian intelligence agent. and i wonder if that makes you believe that there's a security risk here. i mean, this could be coming as there are potential classified intelligence briefings that are being given, as is typically standard to the major nominee of each party >> i would certainly consider a risk, but that's me look, i go back. i've always said that i'm a reagan republican and to me that means that you value character and integrity. and this is not what we see. and i'd be very concerned about having people like this around me in a cabinet were working for me and this is not an issue for donald trump. however, but it should be a concern for americans you want to make sure that you have people in positions of power that you can trust. >> and >> again, trump places loyalty above all other attributes secretary for you have made clear you're not going to be so reporting donald trump in this election and a notable former colleague of yours, >> the vice president mike pence, just just joined you in that and said he will not be endorsing trump and not be voting for him. given that, given clearly what camp you in pence are going to be an i just want your take on something that trump said at a rally on saturday. but what will happen he believes if he doesn't win this election? >> i don't think you're going to have another election in this country if we don't win this election, i don't think you're going to have another election are certainly not an election that's meaningful what do you make of that >> yeah, i don't know what to make of it. it does seem to be very threatening. he's done this before, but i have faith in the american people. i have faith in this country. it's 247 years old, it's the oldest democracy and it will remain, it will have election after flexion. i look, we have to safeguard that. we have to protect it. we have to revitalize it. that's why i've said before that i believe donald trump is a threat to democracy as we know it. he continues to chip away at the institution's, at the norms that make us such an exceptional democracy. and so that's my big concern. i also don't like sing a present that speaks two it gives such a grim view of the united states when he talks about, he talked about in 2016, american carnage whereas raman reagan and nitrogen, that one appeal to all americans by speaking of america as the shining city on the hill, you could just see that contrast between optimism and pessimism and a bright future as compared to a dismal one. and so this type of rhetoric, it's just not appealing at all. and i think can be dangerous too, because it you might inspire people to do bad things quite a warning, secretary esper, thank you >> thank you. caitlin >> also here tonight to weigh in former obama administration official, van jones and forward trump campaign adviser, david urban. david, you're perfect to have on tonight. i mean, you had experienced working with paul manafort and obviously the fact that into play, what role the role that he played in the 2016 election. i wonder what you make of the fact that he's now being discussed openly as a consideration to come in to help with the republican national convention this time around yes. okay. caitlin, i like to hear all the facts before i make any decisions right. so there are some rumors that he paul may be coming back to help in some capacity, but we don't know what capacity as of yet. i think as you alluded to before, paul manafort is a is a great political mind is helped out on several conventions before. in 2016 was brought in because there was going to be a potential delegate fight on the floor and he was well-versed in that, having having dealt with that before to convention. and so before passing any judgment before hyperventilating, i'd wait and see and let's just see what what what role paul manafort we playing his convention and don't don't want to say anything before i know we're talking about well, i don't i'm not personally hyper ventilating, but van i wonder what you make of what david says. does it matter what capacity paul manafort is brought back on and given its history? >> i just think trump is not being fair to the new generation of crooks. the new generation of fraudsters, the new generation of traders. how can we keep going back to this old fraudster, this old trader, this all liar what about the young liars who are coming up who want to sell american secrets, who want to, to lie to judges? they deserve a chance >> i think it's an >> outrage if i were a young crook if i were a young trader, i would think donald trump is not giving me an opportunity. paul manafort has already hurt the country enough. let other fraudsters heart to country. donald trump david. >> then you're all about second chances. come on you all about second chances. van it's totally ridiculous, mr. second chance van. i listened. this guy is 15 because the blow them off. it's ridiculous that this guy, his name should not even be so let's do it with american politics anymore. i believe in second chances, but this is not the kind of second shift that he deserves because he's not apologize. he's not changes ways as best we can tell. we don't want people like this around and by the way, if in fact he turns out that it's all you know, he's he's easiest wonderful, wonderful person. then he should not want to tarnish the republican convention. he should step to one side and make sure that at least some new young blood traders can get a shot. >> yeah >> again, this thursday. >> again, let's wait and let's wait and see what let's wait and see what is being asked to do or if he's being asked to do anything. this is all this is all some murky reporting and he's been there talks taking place about involving in some capacity, nobody knows what capacity, nobody's saying. paul manafort is coming into r1. the tension are going to run the floor, operations are going to do anything it's very mercury reporting and so let's reporters, it's morning, it's been outlets they're all great. they're great reporters. >> but can i say the point of it is, is that as a trump white house reporter, we all remember the first year of his administration. this loomed over at this very issue with paul manafort as he was trouble is complaining that michael cohen was telling everything and he was praising paul manafort for not cooperating. i mean, it's the fact that someone who went to jail and had to be part in would be brought in to help with the convention after he also passed data to a russian intelligence operative caitlin again, that's why i'm not i'm not getting excited. tell us exactly what happens. nothing may happen. he may not be a part of the convention. >> sounds like you think it's a trial? but >> i think we're going to wait and see. i am not i'm not getting too excited about anything yet. >> okay. van, let me let's just talk about something else that happened. just four we came on era, it was an interview that was published today where trump was responding to what's been happening in israel and gaza. and he made this comment that any jewish person who votes for democrats, and he has a history of doing this. i should be clear of hating their own religion in israel. he really did say this. i mean, listen to this any jewish person that votes for democrats hates their religion. they hate everything about israel and they should be ashamed of those sales because israel will be destroyed. and guys like schumer see that and to him as votes, i think it's votes more than anything else because he was always pro israel. he's very anti-israel now >> then, what do you make them? make those comments? >> it's shameful first of all, you know, chuck schumer loves israel. you can love israel and still have criticisms and concerns it's about the direction of the netanyahu government. there's a lot of people in my party who love israel, who loved the people in palestine and want a better outcome than we're headed toward but what you're seeing here is an attempt on the part of donald trump to try to drive a wedge. and to make some hay out of what do they vary payment the situation for everybody. but you're going to see more of this type, types of, but listen the vast majority of democrats, the vast majority of republicans, they care about israel. they love israel, they cared about the palestinian people. nobody wants to see wars, and people may disagree. but how you land that plane. but, but this is donald trump trying to, trying to make a over, over a very difficult situation. he's insulting a lot of people in jewish community he by doing it. >> yeah, it's offensive to them. van jones, david urban, as always great to have you both on together. i had seen in his on the ground in haiti as the caribbean nation is grappling with escalating gang violence and major political instability. david culver is only one of the journalists there in the capital will tell you what he's seeing after a quick break i'm zachary cohen and washington. and this is cnn >> we had a six-hour layover and wrong which was just enough time to told the room if we skip the line wrong >> do not waste any time one-half over 300,000 travel experiences you remember to >> do 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fabric is frayed for millions. sentence senior national correspondent david culver is joining us now from the haitian capital and david it's great to have you there on the ground to be able to see this. and i know that you were to police station earlier. what did you see there >> hey, there caitlin good to be with you. you pointed out those scenes of destruction of the most racing gang attack. and i think a lot of us would see that and say, well, that's something that obviously police would respond to well please here, so strange. i mean, they are broken when it comes to morale resource wise, they have little to nothing, and they even point out that the gangs are better resourced and have more ammo and they do. now you're right, we did get to go into a police station to get a first-hand look as to what kind of situation they're dealing with. and you realize it's not a safe space. police stations like this one here, imported brands are main targets for gangs if you like, as soon as they can get hold of a stage unlike like this, they can then take sees, you take control of much of the community, and they've tried goodman after this one many of times reinforcements have been built up, not only as it a police, but because of the community they've built barricades all around here for the police station to function properly. they need to allies on the community and to have these almost vigilantes building a lot of the barricades to keep out any gang members but it goes a step further than that, kaitlyn, i mean, these are not just become the community members and neighbors helping neighbors. it's to an extreme and they have to oftentimes the first line of defense before police can actually get to a location. i mean, even outside of that police station, there were several squad cars that had no gas in them so they can't go anywhere. and these neighbors are those who oftentimes will be the ones to bring justice as they see it. they'll take it into their own hands and even a block or so from where we are earlier today we know that they cornered once suspected gang member, and they executed them in the street and they oftentimes will record that in part to send a message to other gang members. >> i mean, what are you hearing from? those regular people who are being caught in the middle of all of this, the actual crossfire, but also just this crisis, this political crisis. it's playing out. >> what are they telling you? >> and we really wanted to get to the heart of that in the past couple of days, we were able to meet with folks who are really bearing the brunt of all of this and rewrite their everyday folks who are the past several months, if not years, have never really had a stable home and it's because they've oftentimes been forced out because of the gangs have their neighborhoods and their homes have been torched and they many of them have had their own family members killed at the hands of gangs. and so then they've had to move from place to place to place and one of the locations we went to recently was a school that is an operated right now because of the situation. so schools are essentially closed and if students are lucky, they can do remote learning. but the school has become a dormitory for folks who have had to flee other parts of the city. and there were about a dozen or so classrooms, kaitlan, but inside that one school, they had more than 1,500 people who have started the camp out there and they are dealing with extreme situations of macedon, food and water and they're worried because the resources that normally are coming to them i've been cut off because gangs have severed the supply lines >> david culver, an everyday it seems unimaginable, but it's great to have you and your team there to be able to witness this into report on this. and so thank you for bringing us that report. please stay safe. david comer of next year on the source, we have that new video that we mentioned at the top of the hour. we'll put rumors to 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policies banning the library from buying new books with sexual or lgbtq content for readers who were 17 years old or younger, or its move certain books with certain content to different sections of the library. tonight that fired library director is sharing his story and andrew foster going to now, it's great to have you here just when you look at this, do you believe that this was all motivated by your pushback to that change in the policy? >> and it's good to be here. i've, i've definitely in the reporting that's happened, especially at that local level i think there have been several stories that have been published, including some that do seem to allude to that it was my disagreement, my asking many, many questions about it to try and receive clarity on how i was supposed to act in my capacity is library director that that could have motivated it, though. i cannot speak for the board on that but what has been happening, behind the scenes, this was something that didn't just come they didn't just happen last week. it came to a head obviously last week, but what had this battle been like behind the scenes over the last few months? >> well, when the new policy is we're voted in february, i had a lot of questions on those policies. and so i've for the last month and a half been asking for clarity and in my asking for clarity an important point is that is the library director m answerable to the entire board of the library board, not to individuals. and so in my question asking in my pushing for answers, several times, i asked, i need this to be a clarification by the board. i need this to be clarified to me by the entirety of the board. all 6-7, it's a seven person board, but we had six members in an open meetings because legally, >> to my full understanding how that process has to work and there were several incidents where i'd ask that pushback and the board lawyer would respond and say, no, we don't have have to do this in an open meeting. the policies, questions about the changes to the book policy, right >> questions saying can you please define what you mean because the terms used in the policies were very vague. there were words like just no books with obscenity, no books with gender identity, no books. words that if you take the full scope of what they mean at face value, could be nearly any book in the library for some of them. and so i couldn't either i have to make that assumption myself of what may have been mint. and in doing so, risk both the board not being happy with my decision because it may not be the same interpretation that they have, but also possibly risking that legal liability for myself. it's acting without the guidance and direction of the can i just ask you quickly big picture before we go, which is did it feel like your job as just somebody who was mr. run the library to make sure kids can go and read it was being politicized >> absolutely. and that's unfortunately happening at libraries all over the state and all over the nation. is it's turned in to this politicisation of libraries. >> andrew foster, it's an important story. thank you for joining us tonight. >> i should note before we go, we did reach >> out to members of the libraries board of trustees before we spoke to andrew, will reach out to them again. i want to thank you s