>> speaker emerita and democratic congresswoman from california, nancy pelosi. speaker pelosi, thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. so i have to say this was this may have been the highest stakes speech of president biden's long career in politics. it may have been the highest stakes state of the union address that i've ever seen. i think he met the moment. >> oh, i think he did definitely . actually, i should quote him and just say, maybe i should go home right now because i think what he did was spectacular. he did it with vigor. he did it with vision, with patriotism. and i think it was one of the finest state of the union addresses i have seen. and i've seen many. >> so obviously a lot of republicans are critical of it. one of the things that they're criticizing it for is for being political. and it was a very political state of the union address. >> well, it had some political aspects to it, mostly generated by the audience saying four more years, but the perhaps amnesia has set in on the disgraceful speech that donald trump gave to the chamber, the one you ripped up. well there were so many disgraceful ones. i get them, but this is the one where he gave a presidential medal to somebody who was, oh, rush, rush limbaugh. yeah, all that stuff and all he talked about was the election and the rest. and as speaker, i was offended because it is not a political rally. and by the way, he had what, the convention at the white house. right. so, okay, let's get to what's important to america's working families instead of some of this. >> so he did mention you by name, president biden. yeah. can we roll that little clip? yes. >> so you think the very idea of americans that we're all created equal and deserves to be treated equally throughout our lives, we've never fully lived up to that idea, but we've never walked away from it either. >> and i won't walk away from it now. >> i'm optimistic. i really am. i'm optimistic. nancy, hope you didn't hear it that time. hey, mr. >> he said i'm optimistic. i'm i'm i'm optimistic. nancy, you didn't catch that the first time. i guess there's a lot of noise going on. >> noise? yeah. >> why do you think he said that to you. do you, do you do you disagree with him privately about his optimism? >> no, no, i think he was saying i hope you agree that i delivered the message tonight. >> this is you said it's high stakes. one of the reasons it's high stakes is because the opposition, the person that he's running against, is such a low form. i always say he's doing a limbo contest with himself to see how low he can go. so this is really important for the democratic candidate who is the incumbent president to be presidential, to show a path. and i think, quite frankly, while i missed the nancy part, i did love what he said at the end about two paths you have a path that takes us to the path, narrowing our freedom. in the history of our country, we have always expanded freedom from a constitution which, thank god our founders made it amendable. ending slavery, expanding the right to vote. black men, women, women. as time goes by, roe v wade and the rest until this court narrowed freedom with the dobbs decision and threatening to say because privacy is not guaranteed in the constitution, and we are ignoring precedent of the court, everything else is at stake. whether it's a marriage equality or whatever else. so this was a path to go back or a path to go to the future. and i think that he very clearly laid out a vision for the future based on values and really centered around america's working families, which has always been his commitment. and quite frankly, i think tonight was a clear definition between the democrats and the republicans is what we stand for. and he has faced down big money, big money and guns and won big money in pharma and won big money in fossil fuel industry and won with legislation in the congress and a path with more to come. making wealthy people pay their fair share. >> dana. madam speaker, one of the clearly ad libbed moments was during the section about immigration, and i'm sure you saw the buttons that your colleagues across the aisle had, and he had one of those buttons. we believe it was given to him by marjorie taylor greene. and when she said something to him during his speech, he responded, i think we have that. let's listen to it. >> i didn't see any republican buttons. >> lincoln. lincoln riley, an innocent young woman who was killed by an illegal. that's right. but how many of the thousands of people being killed by illegals to her parents, i say my heart goes out to you. having lost children myself, i understand now you should have said undocumented, but it's not a big thing. >> okay? what's the big thing about? >> no, i was i actually wasn't even going to ask about that. i was just going to ask more about the moment. but you do think that he should have sent undocumented? that wasn't going to be my question. >> well, we usually say undocumented, he said. illegal i don't think it's a big deal. okay. i don't think it's a big deal. >> but but more broadly, because i think the his focus was on the sympathy for the family. >> yeah. it's a terrible tragedy that was going to be the sort of the basis of my question about it, which is as you well know, maybe you didn't know about the buttons, there's been a lot of talk, a lot of news about this, this young woman who was a student at the university of georgia and she died and apparently was an undocumented immigrant and the fact that he was ready with that, with the button, with the response, what do you make of that when it comes to not just the substance, but also the performance? >> well, i think that it was that spontaneous. see, i don't know about the buttons, and you're telling me that they had buttons i didn't see? i didn't do too much schmoozing with the republicans before. usually we do, and we had some conversations, but none of the ones that came over to converse with us had those buttons on, so i didn't see the buttons. so we won't make a thing of the button. the president, i think, handled it very well. yeah. and i think i think he handled it very well. it's a terrible situation that anybody losing a child or a family member, it's a terrible situation. but i think he handled it well. >> and you well know that one of the questions that, people were looking at, they were wanting to see how he performed when it comes to his age. >> yeah, i think he you think that do you think he put it to rest, at least for a short time? well, i thought he i thought he showed great vigor in the speech . sustained a level of strength in his speech for a long time, which would be hard for anyone at any age to give that performance. and i think that his enthusiasm for all of it was demonstrated. he's old. he said it. you know, i've been around, but i have wisdom and i think it's important for him to embrace his age, says one who is older than the president myself. with age comes wisdom, judgment and knowledge. and this president, when he was speaking, i was thinking at last, people are seeing the way we see him, which is when you go in there, you don't have to speak short, a long hand to him on subjects he's informed he's knowledgeable, he's been around, he knows the territory. he has a great vision for the country. he has great knowledge of the issues. he has great judgment. therefore because he has knowledge and he thinks in a strategic way about how to get things done. and his record as a president when we had the majority was equal, well on a par with lyndon johnson. and compared to franklin roosevelt for a two year period of their terms in office. so i think that his kind of making some humor about his age was okay. i thought i thought he was great, but what are you going to do? you can't make yourself younger, but you have to show what you bring to the table at whatever your age is. and i think that it was important for him to embrace it. madam speaker. can't erase it. >> madam speaker, thank you so much for being here. we really appreciate it. thank you for your insights, erin. >> i just want to say it's so interesting is ever one of the best speeches ever. >> okay, erin, to you, jake, you know, it's interesting hearing the former speaker there, talk about how this would have been a hard speech for anyone to deliver. and i'm going to admit when. right. he started, you know, they they send you the full speech, so print it out, and i and i go, okay, i knew this was long, but this was long. and then you looked at it and you saw lots of exclamation points, which was really just a symbol of how much he had, oops, how much he had worked on practice. it how much he he knew this performance mattered. yeah. >> this was a this was a demonstration project. really. it was about demonstrating to americans that from the moment he walks into that room, that he's got the energy to stay through to the end and, you know, by the end, he's still schmoozing afterwards. that's very important because that's what people wanted to see. and exclamation points. you know, he also puts tick marks next to the words where he needs to take a breath. he's been doing this ever since he started giving speeches 50 years ago. because. and did you hear that? >> now that you've known you knew that it's part of his practice. >> it's part of the reason. it's as kate knows better than i do. it's part of the reason why he starts early and needs to rehearse. because he knows he's got a this stutter never goes away. it's been a part of his life forever. and he mastered it at an early age. but it comes back. and so when you hear him trip up in a speech like that, this is something that he's dealt with for, you know, all of his life and even in it, with all the clear, you know, the short sentences and the and the and the, you know, plethora of exclamation points to where he wanted to put emphasis. >> there was a lot of ad libbing, and you started noticing that. you started noticing that earlier. yeah, just play a couple for anybody who just joining us now, a couple of examples of when that happened. >> republicans can cut social security and give more tax breaks to the wealthy. i will that's the proposal. oh no, you guys don't want another $2 trillion tax cut. i kind of thought that's what your plan was. well, that's good to hear. you're not going to cut another $2 trillion for the super wealthy. that's good to hear. in november, my team began serious negotiations with a bipartisan group of senators. the result was a bipartisan bill with the toughest set of border security reforms we've ever seen. oh, you don't think so? oh, you don't like that bill, >> you know, that was the repartee that he clearly was seeking out. yes. and then and then, but there was also these were just moments that he was creating, and there were many other moments that he just added some much more extensively than others. >> yes. because he was very comfortable. and i think one thing that was great about this, and i imagine this was probably some of the calculation here, is, you know, there's been a lot of, you know, as people have talked about what he's like behind closed doors and have said, you know, his mental acuity is strong. you know, the criticism has been, well, then let's see it, you know, then let's see some of these things that go on behind closed doors that that's a great example. i mean, that i can tell you that's how he is in meetings. you know, if you're going back and forth with him, you raise an issue and he says, now wait a minute. no, actually, that's not it. and, you know, he's very, he's very on top of that back and forth. and so i think it was great for them to, to be able to kind of, for him to be able to manufacture those kinds of moments, to show people that, you know, he's he is more than capable of that. >> back there was a moment when wall street came up in a pejorative sense in the speech, and then he said, well, they're not bad guys. and we're sitting here, right? and kate interjects to us, oh, you know, then he's going to tell this thing about how in delaware, it's okay, because the corporate tax laws, i'm not against corporations and capitalism that was not in the speech. but then there it came, almost word for word. i mean, you knew what was coming because he knows who he is. >> and so when he's talking about these issues, he talks about things from a place of his own experience. and every, you know, as he's explaining where he stands on things, he really he takes the time to talk about why he feels that way, why his why he you know, why he's been shaped that way. that's that's the perfect example. i mean, you know, and you saw that frequently throughout the speech again because he was comfortable. i mean, what struck me, something that was very new was the way he talked about age at the end. >> you know, six months ago, he wasn't talking about it that way. he wasn't really comfortable addressing it head on. he would make an offhand comment, but i think what you heard tonight was the beginning of a strategy for how he's going to talk about it, which is it's not the age of how old you are, it's about the age of your ideas. are they fresh? are they forward looking? that's something that, you know, at one point he said, young or old, i've had a sense of our north star. i think there is a way in which we're going to hear about age for the next eight months. it's a reality. but as much as you perform and you show people, look, judge, this performance for yourself, but also talk about it and acknowledge it and say that this is a big issue for this country. and i take it seriously and ending on it, knowing that people will remember that, right. >> not trying to bury it. yeah. all right. of course, staying with us is our special coverage continues coming up, the big question tonight is how the president's speech played with actual voters. so we are now 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know was how he was going to land the delivery. you know, there was a moment where he got into the chamber, and when he got to the podium, he joked, if i were smart, i'd go home. now, after getting that warm reception from a lot of the lawmakers in the room, you can easily imagine that some of the aides that were watching had that sort of joke in the back of their minds as he started speaking. well the white house and campaign aides that i've been speaking tonight, they are very, very happy with the way that the speech was delivered. they said that there were applause and cheers, both here at the white house and also at the wilmington campaign headquarters, where aides were spending the evening watching the speech unfold on their television sets. you know, they felt like he was high energy. he landed his major lines. they appreciated the banter that he had with republicans as he was trying to call them out for inaction and some of their policies. obviously, there were no major mistakes. so all in all, they were incredibly happy with the way that the speech was delivered. one campaign official i was speaking to was saying they also liked the split screen of moments when the president was talking about some of the day to day issues, the work that the administration has done on issues like removing lead pipes or fighting big pharma, and those moments where republican lawmakers in the house chamber did not stand up, obviously gets to sort of that contrast that the president wanted to make between himself and his vision versus the republican vision for the country. and in a speech where the delivery was just as important as the actual words that he said, i think that's probably one of the biggest reasons that aides that i've been speaking to have been so pleased with how the speech went. anderson. all right. >> mj, the white house, thank you. we now have the first results from our exclusive flash poll from people who watched president biden's state of the union address. cnn political director david chalian is here to break it all down. so, david, how are viewers reacting to the speech? >> yeah, anderson, i should just remind everyone this is a poll of speech watchers. so it's not a poll that is representative of the electorate overall. the way people are used to watching polls. in fact, in this sample of speech watchers, which is normal, it's a little more democratic than in the public is at large, because we find this when a democrat is president, more democrats tend to overrepresent and tune in to the speech. same thing happens on the republican side when a republican is president. there are make up here is about 37% democratic, 30% republican, 33% independent. so about eight points more democrat than the country is as a whole. with that in mind, take a look at these results here. reaction to biden's speech. among those watching it tonight, 35% said they had a very positive reaction, 29% somewhat positive reaction. that's 64% their total. and 35% had a negative reaction. take a look at that very positive number. how does that compare with biden's speeches to joint sessions of congress past here? well, you can see 35% this year, 34% in 2023, 41% in 2022, and 51% in 2021. his poll numbers go down here with reviews of his speech. kind of like they have overall, with his job approval ratings. biden's policies, will they move the united states in the right direction or wrong direction? 62% said they're going to move in the right direction, 38% said they're going to move the country in the wrong direction. but keep that an eye on that 62, because we also asked how people felt that way prior to the speech. and if you compare here before the speech started, these speech watchers, only 45% said biden's policy would move the us in the right direction with watching the speech that went up from 45% to 62, again, sort of within the norm of what we've seen in the last couple of years. for him, this kind of increase in support with people watching the speech. >> anderson, fascinating to see that that change is that, well, let's talk about it with the panel. does i think i'm seeing that in my text messaging people. >> i think people went into the speech. i'm talking about people who are, you know, friendly to biden, probably going to vote for biden, but feeling depressed , feeling distressed, not sure if biden was up to it, not sure if his policies were going to help them at all. and i think he that those numbers that you go from 45% to 62, that's as much as you can do in a speech. and i think people feeling reassured that we've got a fighter in this race and that we've got an agenda we can get behind. >> you know, i was thinking before the speech, there are a couple audiences here. if i was on the campaign staff, right. there are people who are in biden's corner to van's point. and then there are people, perhaps, like me, who are i'm going to vote for biden. but i needed something tonight to now go and tell other people to vote for biden and that's what happened tonight. and these numbers prove it. and i think, you know, if i'm a campaign worker, that job is hard. and working on this campaign right now, i have on first hand account it's hard this gives them the steam they need. and i heard last night from top white house officials, and now he is going to get on the road. his cabinet is going to get on the road, and they are going to take this to the people. >> let me ask you what was it tonight that gave you something to tell other people about? >> i think when he talked about tax credits to buy homes, that talks to like a lot of people. you know, the thing that was funny about katy brit's response is, i'm not married and i'm not a mom. so what about me, katy? who are you talking like? and a lot of black women fall into that, that category. so it felt like i didn't have a place in her party of the republican party. but joe biden was saying, i want kids to be able to read. i want to fund hbcus. i want to fund minority serving institutions. republicans didn't stand. i cut student loan debt. and so i can now say to people, this is what he some he has already done and some he will continue to do, but he's been doing that for three years, three years. >> none of this is new tonight. this is what joe biden's been doing for three years. and the numbers suck. so i don't know what he's going to do to effectually, you know, communicate. well. he's got to try. >> he's going to have to first of all, i mean, don't assume that don't don't assume, don't don't assume that, you know, these these proposals, some of which are new and some of which are recycled proposals are known widely to americans. i don't think they are. he you know, but the second thing is it's going to be a comparative process. so it's not just about what he's proposing, but what is on the other side on all of these things. and that's why he brought up, brought up the tax cut. let me just make a couple of points. i think he had a strong night, and i think he had a strong night, in part because of the economic agenda that he outlined, but mainly because, as these guys said, he had a, you know, a very strong pulse and he had a fighting instinct. and democrats needed to his base, needed to see that. but what you point out is really important going on. just let me just finish this one point. just he's going to hit the road now in any state of the union speech, the audience is limited. what you want to do is then take it out on the road. he's going to a swing states he's going to take. hopefully he'll emphasize the economic piece. and the only thing that i would say is i still think that if you ask people who watch the speech, the triumphalism about where the economy is today is probably not matching, not matching their mood. >> was there enough? i feel your pain, right? like the bill clinton. there's a lot of numbers, but was there not? i feel i understand that you still feel it at home. i didn't i didn't get that sense. >> i think they had a clear mission. i mean, i'll i'll concur with you. democrats are going to love it. it was a speech only for democrats. there was nothing in there for. i didn't hear anything in there. much for nikki haley supporters. truthfully you didn't hear anything a reference i didn't i didn't hear anything much in there for swing vote independents who have anxiety. i see about different things. >> i, i don't think his stuff on ukraine and abortion rights and so on would appeal to intentionally coded voters. >> i heard a partizan president who is was jumping from soft constituency one to the other there, looking at polling every day, we got it's like whack a mole. i got to shore up these guys. we're worried about palestinians. i got to shore up these people who are worried about this and but they're all democratic. and so the speech was built to jump from those lily pads, but it wasn't built a unified despite his rhetoric about unity. that's not what it was for. so i'm not surprised democrats are telling you it was great because that's who it was for and no one else. >> well, and at the end of the day, elections are about contrast. and while this speech was being given, the former president who he's running against spent his time posting, commenting on how old biden looks, how his hair is thinning out, and just like mindless critiques throughout, not policy, not substance, it was an opportunity for a campaign that i've actually praised that this is trump's best campaign yet to be putting out policy contrasts. and instead he was giving into his worst instincts, which are only going to see more of on the campaign trail. but i did think that biden actually threw a couple of little lines to the nikki voters out there. within the first three minutes of the speech, he quoted ronald reagan and then went into this generation defining issue of supporting ukraine. there are american voters, old school republican voters, who will not be with the republican party if they do not get aid to ukraine. yeah. >> and i do see it differently in that it was partizan and it's an unusually so for state of the union. but you know, regular working folks health care cost too much. right. and he had an answer for that. groceries cost too much. he had an answer for that. you can't buy a house. you can't buy a car. rent is too high. he really was giving people like me something to go out and say, this dude is going to go out here and fight to get these prices down. and he's already fought to get, you know, certain medicines cheaper. so somebody tells me, well, he had done anything for us. he's not going to do anything. it doesn't matter. he is going to fight for an agenda that is very different than donald trump. >> can i ask you a question? yes. do you think people want two answers on those difficult issues that you mentioned from someone who refuses to take responsible for any of it? that, to me is the most maddening thing about this presidency. this guy has repeatedly said the buck stops here, i'm in charge. i'm going to, i'm going to. i'm going to be responsible for this. he takes no responsibility . so how do you compare to someone when they won't take responsibility to trump? i he's the president. no, no. >> but what what on these on these economic issues. what are you talking about? he's been working on this prescription drug issue. he's been working on education because he's been working on these things. >> inflation, rents. but just remember interest rates. >> remember 18% of people think the biden has helped them. >> i just feel like we're not being honest about the state of our government right now. joe biden cannot do it all and we have people he donald trump, perfectly legitimate, and neither can donald trump do didn't do anything really, in my opinion, but definitely couldn't do it all. neither does joe biden. and that's not how our government works. we have a house, we have a senate, we have governors, 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orden of wisconsin, the republican yelled out lies when joe biden criticized donald trump during this speech. and i just caught up with van orden, and i asked him whether it was appropriate for a member of the house to push back like he did, and he defended his remarks. why did you allow the president was lying? >> the president should have started in an end as his state of the union address by apologizing to the american people. he's let 8 million illegal immigrants in to the country. he opened the border and you know, he can close it. so what he said there in the state of the union, a tremendous amount of it was just flat out fabrication. >> you're obviously a member of the house. is it appropriate for you to yell out lies when the president is addressing you guys? >> is it appropriate to tell the truth? >> so we went back and forth like that for some time. so as you can see there, very clearly defending his remarks. but i just caught i've caught up with a lot of members of the house and the senate, democrats and republicans. most of the remarks are mostly coming on around party lines. most democrats saying this is a great speech, republicans sharply criticizing it. some members of the on the on the left, though, aaron not happy with how the president talked about israel wanting to calls for an immediate cease fire. and one important member who i just caught up with to the speaker of the house, mike johnson, i asked him about whether or not it alleviated any of his concerns about the president's mental acuity, and he indicated that it did not. >> aaron, very, very interesting. and watching him early on, standing when the president talked about nato and then, you know, just watching his facial expressions throughout. all right, manu, thank you very much. and i want to go to jeff zeleny now because he's joining us from michigan, which obviously is a crucial battleground state in this year's presidential election. and in the context, jeff, of what manu just mentioned, right, israel and gaza and how the president handled those two issues in his address tonight. how are voters where you are reacting to that and the rest of the speech? >> well, aaron is the president takes his state of the union message on the road, of course, one stop, not surprisingly, we'll be here in battleground michigan. you're right. the economy and foreign policy front and center on the minds of voters. but i can tell you, i was at a watch party tonight with biden's supporters, and there were feelings of anxiety and apprehension among his own supporters going into this speech. that quickly changed. as the speech wore on, we caught up with one small business owner here, rihanna knowles, who said she was impressed and surprised by the president. >> overall, it was a different side of him that came out. he was, like i said, very confident, very reassuring of the things that he has done for our country. and i didn't get a glimpse of anything involving age or the lack thereof, of being able to deliver and be the president of the united states. >> and not just the performance, but the policy as well, particularly that populist message. there much applause in terms of the high housing costs and the rest. aaron, one question mark, of course, is the situation in israel and gaza. there is much concern and anger here among the muslim american community. of course, that did not go away tonight. but there were many people who were pleased that the president addressed it. getting humanitarian aid into gaza. that, of course, is something that will play out over the next eight months. but the president comes here next week, certainly a bounce in his step and a sign of relief from his supporters. erin. >> jeff zeleny, thank you. and more reaction to the president's speech ahead. viewers and now voters are actually sounding off in our exclusive flash poll. so we'll get you a very early poll here. and we're joined by a key member of congress. stay with us . >> taiwan 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putin to trump to january 6th, here are some key moments of the president's frequent not naming, but specifically about trump. references >> now, my predecessor, a former republican president, tells putin, quote, do whatever the hell you want. my predecessor and some of you here seek to bury the truth about january 6th. many of you in this chamber and my predecessor are promising to pass a national ban on reproductive freedom. my predecessor and many in this chamber want to take this prescription drug away by repealing affordable care act. and my predecessor is watching instead of playing politics and pressuring members of congress to block the bill, join me in telling the congress to pass it. unlike my predecessor, i know who we are as americans. >> all right. joining us now, key lawmaker who was in the house chamber for tonight's state of the union address, republican congressman dan crenshaw from the state of texas, so your initial reaction to the speech. >> well, as you said, there was a lot of opening shots. and, you know, i just wish one day that we would see the state of the union as a state of the union, because i could have read all that in a fundraising email from the biden campaign about how terrible we are about how we want to take away women's reproductive rights. i got it. you say it all the time, not true, by the way. i'm not really sure what bill he's referring to from a republican led house that would that would do any of that. there's no there's no bill to repeal the aca. in fact, because i'm on the health subcommittee on anc, i know exactly what we're doing on that committee. we're doing a lot of bipartisan great stuff to improve people's health care. so there's some there's some factual problems with it. but i think just from a strategy perspective, this is an election year. you're not winning over a single voter with that speech. and so maybe they maybe they switched the speeches . maybe that was supposed to be the democrat convention speech. and instead they put it in the state of the union teleprompter because it was divisive. it was it was it was an attack ad against republicans. and i don't know how that wins you any friends when you're trying to win a general election? >> let's talk about one of the most important substantive issues. i know it's very important to you, and that's immigration. listen. listen to what the president said on that. >> that bipartisan bill would hire 1500 more security agents and officers, 100 more immigration judges to help tackle the backlog of 2 million cases, 4300 more asylum officers and new policies so they can resolve cases in six months instead of six years. now >> you could see senator lankford mouthing the words, that's true. how do you think that's going to play, particularly given i know that you and some others are trying to find another way. >> yeah. you know, for the audience, don't give hope. give up hope quite yet. there's still a chance here, but that aside, look, let's, let's let's get some facts straight in the president's fy 24 budget request, he cut cbp by 10, cut ice funding by 15. all right, we replenished that funding. now he's asking for more in the supplemental. great. there's not really a problem with republicans, on on what that money is. our problem is that it doesn't come with policy changes. and, look, i applaud the efforts in the senate to try and make those policy changes like i said, i'm not willing to give up on trying to find a solution on those policy changes . we need to. and i tell my fellow republicans like, look, this is the one time where biden actually wants it. now he wants it for cynical reasons. he wants it because it helps him in his in his election. but you know what? if that's what it takes to stop illegal immigration, i'm all about it, you need a lot more than more immigration judges, though. to decrease that timeline, you need to actually stop the flow, which means you need to disincentivize people coming. which means. which means in his case, you need to stop paroling. everybody. okay he's he's using loopholes in the law to parole way, way too many people. and that's what's causing this draw into the country. >> and it needs to stop for republicans to i mean, he used it as a cudgel against your party tonight. i mean, was it a mistake to not just do something even if it wasn't all of the things that you want? >> yeah. so, so politically speaking, i don't think biden's in a good place here, you know, he's still got a depending on what poll you're looking at between an 18 and 30% approval rating when it comes to immigration on the southern border. that's not good. people know that it's his fault. like, two things can be true at once. republicans should be trying to get new laws in place. but also, biden has done a lot to make the situation worse. i mean, it it happened as soon as he took office because he rescinded all of trump's old policies, rescinded those executive orders, whether that's remained in mexico, whether that's the northern triangle, asylum cooperation agreements, those things were working. and then there was a signal sent by the biden administration that people should just come in. it did happen. >> i mean, they said, i just have to we have to correct the record. i mean, they literally said, do not come. that's president said, that's fine. >> but actions speak louder than words. >> the dhs secretary said that just she whispered it into a microphone in a very awkward way. >> you are right. the czar went down once and said that you are correct, but their policies said the exact opposite. their policies were you're going to come in and you're going to get paroled. and, heck, you can have a notice to appear in however many months. that's that's what the policies actually did. and that's the word that actually gets to immigrants when they come. >> so what's the right word then from your perspective, give especially a guy from texas who wants to get this done is it frustrated? is it annoyed that it is fair to say that this would have happened? and you're right, it took president biden maybe he's in office 100 days, a thousand days when the negotiations started, maybe took him that long to get started. but she did have a bill that would do a lot of things that you think are long overdue. and donald trump said, stop it. and the republicans agreed. that's fair. right, i don't know that. he said, stop it. i don't know that he's on the record saying, stop it. i will tell you. don't lose hope. there's a few good people, democrats and republicans don't lose hope that we can also that we can both beat russia and get some decent reforms on the border. i am not losing hope on that. we have a very limited time frame to do it, but i'm not losing hope on that. >> congressman, stay right there because we have some more results from our flash poll that i want to get, and then we'll come back to you, david chalian. >> hey, jake. yeah, in our flash poll and again, this is a poll of speech watchers, we asked questions about biden's economic policies presented tonight by the president. do his economic policies move the united states in the right direction or wrong direction? speech watchers in our flash poll, 56% said biden's economic policies move will move the us in the right direction. 44% say the wrong direction. now take a look at the pre speech versus post speech on this. 45% of speech watchers before the speech said president biden's economic policies would move the us in the right direction. that goes up to 56% after the speech. so he makes some progress with those watching the speech on the economy. but look at his trend on the economy in these state of the union addresses. you see that 56% right direction number that he gets tonight. it's his lowest. it's ten points below. so the 66% who said that, who watched the speech last year, jake. >> interesting. david chalian and as david noted, congressman, this is with a more democratic audience than is representative of the nation as a whole, because it's a democratic president. john, your thoughts on the flash? >> well, i want to ask the language. i think part of it is the language here. when you go home, right? forget democrat, republican when you go home and you're just talking to people, how do they describe what's happening here? that's a slightly better number for the president, but obviously that's an issue on which he's way underwater, he said inflation is getting better when i travel, people don't use that word as much. they use gas or food or store. how are people talking about this at home? and just to be as fair as possible, is it better now than it was six months ago or a year ago? >> it's better. >> but, you know, i always caution people when you when you give blame or credit to a president, if you're going to do that from a, from an unemotional, analytical perspective, you need to tie a policy to that outcome. and we don't do that enough in america. and that's our media's fault. it's everybody's fault. we're not tying policy to actual outcomes. so i want to know what biden did exactly to bring inflation down. you can call it the inflation reduction act. all day long. that didn't do anything to bring inflation down. more spending does not bring inflation down. what happened more likely is the economy bouncing back because we have, you know, 250 years of history of building a dynamic economy. we americans are resilient. but the reality is, is that while inflation has come down, it's still higher than when he took office. and he's not doing anything from a policy perspective to make that better. he's raised taxes. that's not going to be good on inflation. he's he's massively increased a lot of regulations that make it harder to manufacture, make it harder to produce energy. that's not going to have a deflationary effect. it's just not, and so the rebuilding of supply chains that were crippled under covid lockdowns, that's more likely what's what you can attribute to a to a decrease in inflation. and i don't think biden should or is getting any credit for that. >> do you think senator katie britt did a good job with the republican response? >> i was busy prepping for this, and i didn't get a chance to really watch it. so i have no comment. i was busy prepping for you guys. >> can i follow up with something you said to jake a second ago? you said that you weren't aware of anything. you know, the comment about taking away women's reproductive rights. you said you're not aware of anything that would do that. former president trump is talking about coming out in support of a 16 week federal abortion ban. do you think it would be a mistake if he came out in support of that? >> well, by the way, that's a very different policy than that. i would i understood the president to say in the state of the union, which was just an all out ban. >> he was getting at roe versus wade, though. >> sure. okay. and there are states, but but there's a massive difference, right, between a 16 week ban at the federal level. but would you support a0o 16 idea easily. you know why. because 65% of americans support that. i mean that if you want to talk middle ground, man, that's the easiest, most moderate place to be. you know what? you know what the laws are in europe, right? liberal europe, they're mostly 12 weeks. and you talk to somebody from france and they're like, they think it's an abomination that we would kill a baby at 20 weeks. so, you know, 16 weeks is frankly probably too moderate, you know, and this and this is long standing polling. you go to pew research, you see what americans opinions are. >> do you think he should endorse something shorter than 16 weeks? >> i'm pretty pro-life. so, you know, i'm good with i'm good with. there should never be abortions of convenience, right. you know, and then we can have harder conversations about exceptions. but look, the 16 week would be a very, very moderate stance to take. and when you're when you're doing it from a national level, politically that's probably not a bad idea. and it also it also can can can save republicans in many ways because it at least shows that we have a position. and so, you know, lindsey graham proposed this i think it was a 15 week ban some while back. and he got a lot of heat from from a lot of different angles on that. but there was some genius to it because it actually shows that we at least have a position, you know, maybe not may not be my favorite position, but it's certainly better than the current position of oh yeah, sure, kill a baby when they have ten fingers and ten toes and in a heartbeat. and, you know, they're basically they're a baby, so i don't think that kills us, i really don't. and if it does, you know what? i'm happy to stand for what i think is right. >> congressman dan crenshaw, republican from texas, thanks so much for coming by at this late hour. really appreciate it, aaron. >> all right, jake, and joining us now, a special guest of first lady jill biden during tonight's state of the union address in the context of reproductive rights. so they were just talking about the former first lady of california and niece of the late us president, john f kennedy and journalist maria shriver. and maria, i appreciate your time so much. you know, we saw you there in the audience and you rode to the capitol. i know in the motorcade, president and first lady had a bit of time with them after the address, and what was the president's feeling and the first lady's feeling after the address about how he did? >> well, i didn't talk to the first lady after the address. i spoke to her briefly before, while i was up in the white house where the guests that were going to be in the box with her, we were all congregated there, and she came by and spoke to all of us. i've been working with her the last 8 or 9 months on this white house initiative on women's health research. she was excited about the announcement tonight, $12 billion for women's health research. she's excited to get that going. and what he said to me when i was walking out, he came back after making his way through, the capitol, the rotunda there, and when we took pictures, the guests that had been in the box when i went to take the picture, he said, i want you to know that i'm going to stay on this women's health research, and we're going to get the money, and we're going to do the research. so he's committed to it. she's committed to it. and that was a very brief conversation. i didn't ride over with them. i rode over in the bus with the other 20 guests that were in the first lady's box. >> and i know that obviously, women's health research is focused on a lot of things, you know? yes, cardio, menopause, it's much broader than reproductive rights, but obviously i think that's what's really important, erin, because i think, you know, so much of when we talk about women's health, there's so much of what's in the news is focused on reproductive health and abortion, but there's a whole life span and health span for women. there's very little research on menopause and endometriosis, on heart disease, on ms, on alzheimer's. two thirds of those with alzheimer's are women, 80% of those with autoimmune women. how do women age? we don't know any of these things because we haven't done the research. so this is going to look at the breadth and the depth of women's health issues, which are vast. and i hope we can have that conversation because as i travel across this country, that's the conversation women want to have. >> i, the president, did speak forcefully tonight about women as a group talking about how they're more than half the population. i just wanted to play one clip where he was particularly impassioned. here he is, those bragging about overturning roe v wade have no clue about the power of women, but they found out when reproductive freedom was on the ballot. >> we won in 2022 and 2020 and will win again in 2024. >> there are a lot of issues for women, but abortion obviously has been one that the democrats have been betting will fuel and fire the democratic women base. there was a kaiser family foundation study, though a poll yesterday, maria, that i found interesting. only 1 in 5 democratic women say that abortion is the top issue and it's only the top issue for 12% of voters overall. does that surprise you? i mean, do you expect that that number would be higher? >> well, i think if you look at i don't look at women just in terms of that issue, i look at women across the board. i think women are interested in the economy. women are interested in starting their own businesses. women are interested in family leave, and women are interested in their health. i mean, talk to any woman in this country and she will talk about the story of her health, whether it's migraines, perimenopause, menopause, as i said, endometriosis. she'll talk about being gaslit by doctors. she'll talk about trying to get time off from work to go to doctors. so i think that kind of just focusing on one issue misses the boat about what women are thinking about, what they are talking about. they're talking about their mental health, their emotional health, their spiritual health, their physical health. they're, you know, taking care of children. they're taking care of aging parents. they have a lot on their plate. reproductive health is one thing. it's a galvanizing issue for a certain part of the female population. but there's a lot more on the plates of most women . >> you know, the speech ended and you were there with the president talking about age and addressing a really the elephant in the room and head on in a way that evan osnos was just saying moments ago was a bit different than he had. right? it wasn't a joking, passing reference. it was straight on and it was interesting in the context of your uncle jfk, it was the youngest president ever elected. right. and we're now facing an election which will see the oldest president ever elected, no matter who wins. but you've spent time with this president quite a bit of time, and you were there tonight. so what's your impression? what do you say to people who say president biden is not fit to serve? he is too old to serve another time? >> i don't believe that. and i think this is a person who's a decent man, who's devoted his life to public service, who will defend democracy, who wants to invest in women, who wants to invest in infrastructure, who wants to invest in making life better for everybody in this country? i look when i look at somebody who's running for senate, who's running for governor, who's running for president, i know enough that you have to look at also who are the people surrounding that person who's in their cabinet, who's in their main office? who do they rely on for information? who do they rely on to make decisions? the presidency isn't just one person, you know, in a room by themselves. it's who they surround themselves with. it's who will move them forward. and i think this president is surrounded by really competent, really capable people who will defend democracy and will do the right thing for this country. >> maria shriver, thank you very much. we all appreciate it. thank you. and coming up, president biden coming out swinging on russia's threat to ukraine and the world, calling out putin by name, waiting until nearly the end of his speech to though address the israel-hamas war and the crisis in gaza. we're going to go live to both ukraine and jerusalem for reaction next. >> very sorry to hear about your father, father, mother >> there is sorry, peter about your father >> you have no part no soul >> curb your enthusiasm, streaming exclusively on max look, we know it's going to be a big change, but it's the right thing to do for all of us. >> it's just your mother and i went >> different thing which is why we got sling tv so we can watch live and free 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americans they were all created equal, deserves to be treated equally throughout our lives. we've never fully lived up to that idea well, we've never walked away from it either i won't walk away. now >> so many different components to that speech. but let's see right now how the president's foreign policy message played with the americans who did watch his speech tonight. david chalian is back with more results from our exclusive flash poll. david. >> yeah, jake and again, just a reminder, this is a poll of speech watchers, more democrats tuned into watch a democrat president, a democratic president speak. and so overall it skews a little more democratic than the public overall. but we asked both about ukraine and israel and take a look at the results. president biden has proposed level of us aid to ukraine among speech watchers tonight, 34% said too much of a proposed level of usaid, 49%. the plurality here says about right, 16% says not enough when it comes to proposed level of us support for israel. 28% of speech watchers says, said too much, 53%, a clear majority says about right, 20% of speech watchers said not enough. and anderson, interestingly, we see an age divide on that question substantially for people under the age of 45 says it's too much support for israel. whereas if you're over 45, only 22% say that all right >> david chalian, thanks very much. let's go live to two key regions mentioned during tonight's speech. cnn's clarissa ward joins us from jerusalem and cnn's nick paton walsh is in odessa, ukraine. clarissa, let's start with you. present. biden made a case for gaza to receive more humanitarian aid. you talked about building a port how do you think that's likely to play in israel? and also just the logistics of that >> i think that these were some strong words that we heard from president biden for the israeli leadership. he talked about how aid cannot be quote, a secondary consideration or a bargaining chip. he impressed upon them the need to get aid into gaza, but i have to tell you, anderson, that is actually not a popular viewpoint here we attended a protest yesterday where people are trying to block aid from getting into gaza and you might think that that's sort of a fringe movement. but according to the top-polling agency here in israel, some 68% of israelis believed that age should not be getting into gaza. and that is because of a conviction that they hold a belief that there is no evidence to support, but that they hold that all the aid is simply going into hamas's hands. now, the constraint direction of this pier that president biden talked about that obviously would provide much needed direct access to get that aid in. you might remember that the us had sent a huge ship full of flour that was sitting in ashdod, the israeli financial ministry minister rather blocking that from getting into gaza. so this peer would potentially circumvent the kind of politics around this. but the timeline we're talking 30 to 60 days potentially that's potentially two months away, anderson, the situation in gaza obviously deteriorating by the minute. and just really desperate situation, i think for palestinians listening to this speech, they will see it as too little, too late. and they believe firmly that biden's policy of publicly supporting and privately pressuring israel has failed, and that that is why we are seeing this let's catastrophe unfolding in gaza. anderson nick to you in odessa, russia's war against ukraine. one of the first things that the president talked about tonight, calling for more military aid to be provided, that something ukraine obviously desperately needs right now is you have been reporting over just the last week. i mean, you've been talking to troops who are literally running out of ammunition. we used to fire at shells a day are now only firing ten yeah and. >> i'm sure hearing that speech, there will be heartened by the fact that it was pretty much the first thing of substance he came to a tall making comparisons to his moments on the podium there to roosevelt in 1941, making frankly, are not particularly subtle comparison between putin being on the march. now in europe and hitler being on the march back then in 19 in 41 and trying to sound the urgency frankly, the moment for american security and european security that we're seeing here now, because of the crisis ukraine is facing, because of the lack of funding, but essentially to, we didn't have some magical new policy wheeled out here to get over that republican roadblock. and indeed, the republicans and their bottle didn't even seem to address this hartley themselves either. so i think ukrainians will hear some sense of backing for how prominently ukraine was in his discussion there and how sounded the alarm about what an imminent threat that is for us security as well. but 1941 comparison is stark, frankly, to stand there and say we are on the brink of potentially another world war not exactly the words he used, but the timing you've got to bear in mind and a certain three years after 1941 came 1944. and while biden said, he doesn't want american troops on the ground here and ukraine is plan is not for that. by 1944, they certainly were. so i think it's a deeply serious series of comments we heard about ukraine but again, no way of getting round that roadblock, the $60 billion isn't suddenly here. there are the mechanism potentially for frozen russian assets that have been floated that wasn't put out tonight. and so i think maybe some ukrainian seeing him there, essentially pointing the finger again at republicans for not getting the aid through, despite reminding everybody how utterly diode is right now, they need that aid, not in a few months, anderson just very quickly. clarissa ward, what is the status of any talks about a ceasefire or hostage? or getting hostages out? >> well, it's interesting because previously anderson, we've heard president biden say that he was hopeful that this might be imminent. he talked about it being as soon as last monday now clearly a very different story. cnn's own reporting indicates that it is unlikely that we're going to see a ceasefire by ramadan that's expected to start here in the next couple of days and you did hear president biden saying that they're doing everything they can to push to get the hostages release, and that ceasefire implemented on the ground for six weeks. but as you just said, no indication that that is going to happen now, anytime soon, anderson clarissa ward, nick paton, walsh, both. thank you. be careful back with the team here in new york. i want to play just something that the president said tonight, he took aim at former president over ukraine's. take a look further assessment >> a former >> republican president tells putin, quote, do whatever the hell you want that's a quote >> a florida >> present actually said that bowing down to a russian later, i think it's outrageous. it's dangerous and it's unacceptable >> david yeah, i mean, it will look at the context of that quote was he was saying if the europeans don't pay their fair share or if they don't pay more into their own defense. but he sort of made nato sound like a protection racket. and it was, but still, he truncated that quote, but i think this issue itself is one that biden feels very strongly about. it is one scott that does speak to the haley voters and some of those republicans who are not, are not isolated just republicans >> it is extraordinary. the foreign president, united states, saying to vladimir putin, i mean it's outrageous actually saying, do whatever you want to point out, he the former president and also his initial reaction to the invasion of ukraine was that it was genius. like if you can go in and a country, why not? in his. attitude on these issues has been consistently shocking. and that is a distinction between them. it may not be the distinction that drives most voters one way to biden, but it's one that's, that's certainly what the old republican party would have stuff for >> less it i'll say, i, ex-military guy i am pro funding for ukraine, a pro nato. but americans are tired, right? american population, americans are tired for about endless wars, right? they're tired. afghanistan, we saw, we saw a collapsing afghanistan. the gentleman who stood up in the gallery is this evening, steve, nick nikoui sun cream was killed at abbey the gate. so he stood up and yelled, 19 marines abbey-gate. >> a lot. >> a lot of americans think that ukraine happened because of the disastrous pullout in afghanistan and the world watched america kind of go to its knees and a weak america and emboldened and who is deals. >> so simon by the former president >> but it didn't have to happen this way. anderson didn't, wasn't gonna go down the same way. i will tell you what. look at the testimony of all the generals who went testified to the house armed services committee from mark milley on down, wasn't it wasn't gonna go that way >> but botching two things back-to-back doesn't make how is in those meetings? it was because of mark milley and mark esper that it wasn't a more reckless timeline. donald trump wanted to move >> mark milley put my point is the advice given to joe biden by, by tony blinken and others was not the same thing that happened with president biden. did not what he did not reprehensive. >> you say you sit first of all, you're right that people are war three. there's no doubt about that. the question is is not supporting ukraine, leave them the moral issues of supporting a democracy that's being overrun. but does it make it less likely that american troops have ax, ax? and here's why i agree with you. i think that we should be and tonight, the president should have said we're. not handing bags and money to craniums. we're building the us military industrial base. we're helping americans go to work and resupply our own military. that's an opportunity to ms common to defeat our enemies, right? for pennies on the dollar and i would say this, but you know, if we don't, if we don't do that, what's going to happen in january of 25 we're gonna be sending people that he had a chance to make that argument. i didn't know. >> what did he do? he made it a partisan political argument. now look what donald trump said about telling russia do whatever that that's wrong, that is absolutely wrong. but instead of making the case, which is what i would think the state and it was his first topic instead of making the case, he turned into a partisan political, which is a missed opportunity. >> okay. real quick on in ukraine is i think he did a did it well in terms of connecting ukraine and protecting a democracy to january 6. january 6 was the very next thing that followed after his comments on ukraine. and it was what's happening in ukraine is because putin is a dictator and what can happen in america is donald trump could be a dictator. you know why? because he said he would on day one and so making that connection highlights the ability to make that contrast, which i think he did really well. i think the other thing about the speech tonight is that joe biden had a really important task to talk to the issue around israel and gaza. we heard reporting. people don't like to see people killed on october 7 and they certainly don't want to see innocent palestinians killed day after day, 300,000 and he thousand, excuse me, any acknowledged that? many of them, most of them are not hamas and so i hope we can all agree that we want to preserve life. we want we want peace. we don't want our troops to go into countries and we need people to get aid and we just heard reporting from clarissa ward that aid is being blocked, so he has people on the left are asking him to you a list of policy things that i don't think he's going to get there, but he is trying to do something here and try and be on the right side of this morally and politically. >> can i just mentioned one thing i was watching mike johnson closely at night, someone who didn't expect to be speaker and i don't think thought he'd be governing this house. and when the issue of ukraine came up he seemed to suddenly not along and he is the person who singlehandedly holding up a bill that have put on the floor tomorrow would release aid to ukraine because donald trump has told him to. i have a feeling donald trump is not going to be happy with how mike johnson performed tonight. and i think that's another narrative we should be following. >> let's go back to jake in dc. jake thanks, anderson. now let's go to our fact checker, daniel dale, who is watching for anything president biden got inaccurate during his state of the union address, daniel, the president, was accused by the likes of marjorie taylor greene and other house republicans have saying a lot of things that weren't true. what did you make overall of the factual content of the speech? each >> i found jake, it was quite a factual speech, at least in terms of the assertions of fact, i was able to check, of course, i don't check the many, many subjective opinions that fill these kinds of speeches. but president biden did make at least a few false or misleading claims that i do want to address. listen to something he said about the federal budget deficit i've been deliver real results in fiscally responsible ways. we've already cut the federal deficit. we've already cut the federal level over $1 trillion the president keeps making this claim. i've called it misleading on air before. it's still misleading. now, jake, here is why the federal deficit is indeed more than $1 trillion lower today than it wasn't president trump's last fiscal year in office. but president biden conveniently never mentioned y and that y is overwhelmingly simply because by partisan emergency, pandemic spending from 2020 expired as planned in the biden era. spending skyrocketed, then it fell on schedule. that's not a biden fiscal achievement. and especially because i think here's the key experts at places like moody's and the committee for a responsible federal budget have told me in detail that biden's own actions, executive factions laws have worsened the deficit picture. so biden is putting himself on the back for fiscal prudence, but his actions have clearly added to deficits, not improve them. a couple of more claims i think we need to break down. let's also listen to something the president said about the corporate minimum tax he signed into law in 2022 remember in 2020 2055, of the biggest companies in america made $40 and paid >> zero in federal income tax, zero not anymore thanks for the law i wrote. we signed big caprice have to pay a minimum 50% >> so biden made the sound like a final triumph, like every big company is going to have to pay federal income tax now, not anymore. will there be anybody paying zero? but that is false. it's an exaggeration. why? well, biden did sign a 15% sen. corporate minimum tax into law. but here's the key here. it only applies to companies with 1 billion or more in average annual income. so on that list, he cited a 55 companies that were identified as paying nothing in 2020 will only 14 of those 55 had us income of 1 billion or more that year. so it is clear and the think tank, the left-leaning think tank in their support has confirmed to me that many big companies will still be able to avoid taxes under this new button law. >> all right. daniel dale, thanks so much though. let's talk more with our panel and manu raju joins us fresh from capitol hill. so mano, you've been talking to republicans, democrats, all sorts of folks tell us your basic take on the response, especially from the opposition. >> yeah. >> look, there's been it's been very partisan as you can imagine, coming out of the chamber. republicans in particular, going after the speech saying its way, it was way too political and the legs democrats saying is fine, that he was i'll go look at the way donald trump talked about this as well. but there was also some criticism from some members of the president's own party, including from congressman jamaal bowman, just look and listen to the sampling responses i got over the last hour or so i think the state of the union address has become more and more political and other chance going on in the chamber. the president obviously making it they're very strong. >> political pitch and >> i would rather go back to having a actual address, talks about the state of the union, but he passed the first test, which is a shouting get up there and speak a lot of energy i'm sure he feels good about it >> so other members i could tie asked congressman jamaal bowman, is a member of the far left faction of the house democratic caucus about president biden's comments on israel. he says, i wish you would have called for an immediate ceasefire and he went on to say that the president should have done more in this case it actually hurt him come november. so you're hearing some milder criticism from the members of the president's own party from that faction. but overall, jake, the response has been pretty party line. democrats, liked what they heard inside the chamber. they were cheering. republicans were jeering. many republicans i witnessed actually leaving the speech early, which i'm not sitting in a lot of chambers during the state of the union address. i don't really remember that happening, but that happened in this situation. >> so speaker johnson, the new republican speaker, was very hopeful. dana bash, that there would be the jeering would be to a minimum, there's always groaning and applauding by the opposite sides are the supporting sides depending on who the president is. i remember when obama was president and congressman joe wilson from south carolina yelled out, you, you're lying or you lie. >> it was a big moment. >> i think i heard at least four or five different moments like that during this speech, you interviewed one of the, one of the individuals and there was marjorie taylor greene. there were other moments i've i can't recall another time when there were so many heckling incidents. dana bash, can you now, i can't and it's the new normal. >> yeah. yeah. >> it kinda it is. and i was thinking about that mike johnson discussion that he had with his conference this morning saying remember decorum and so on and so forth. >> and obviously it was >> the other side of that coin when the president walked in and the democrats were, were, they were cheering, they weren't jeering, but they were cheering and they were saying four more years. >> so >> the sort of the court came out of the bottle the minute the president walked in there, when it comes to the political sentiment that was just bursting at the seams and it was only a matter of time before the republicans had a rejoinder. >> and john, you talked about what the president needed to do tonight, and i think we can all agree that he didn't have any major horrible incidents that are going to necessarily affect i mean, just stylistically that are going to affect his reelection. but he's got a lot more nights like this that he needs to deliver its got 241 more nights until people are voting. i mean, early voting obviously starts in september in some states. so but it's game on. look, the president started. we talked to the beginning to show its approval ratings at 38%. approve already has to get up above 40 most smart people do politics, democrats or republicans say you've got to get to 43 or 45 if you're looking at it, then you're looking at a national map. we can get 270 electoral votes, right so he's at 38. he has to go up. it looks like from our polling, again, the people watching the speech were overwhelmingly democratic. so this is, you have to put that into context. but among the overwhelmingly democratic audience, he made some gains. the question is, can he sustain them? sometimes two or three weeks down the road that fades the question that he needs to build. i mean, he needs to go up. i would argue it needs to go up just about every day, i guess suppose you can have a day or two but he need to go up from where you are. i'm looking. this is a incoming from a dozen of our all over the map voters around the country. and it's fairly predictable in the sense that the republican said he was yelling at us. he was yelling, he was shouting. we don't like most of what he said. he was too political and criticizing donald trump, the democrats are more interesting among the democrats with who have problems with him or say he has problems in their communities. angela lang runs a community organizing group of milwaukee. they do remarkable work knocking on doors, staying active with people. and when i visited with them, the president clearly has a problem in the african american street. she said it was a great down payment. she said it was a strong and a forceful speech. she liked a lot of what she heard. she wished she heard more about policing, which the big issue in the black community, but she said, the big takeaway here. now he needs to back it up and keep the same energy all the way into the november election. jake gray, student at the university of michigan, among the students we talked to out there, who is very upset with the president's conduct. they believe pro is to pro israel in the war between israel and gaza again, said some progress. she wants an immediate ceasefire and again, she said she liked the president's energy needs to see it out there. so i think from this anecdotally, the president checked some boxes >> he's got a long way to go. >> all right. still ahead. did president biden convince enough americans that he has plenty of fight in him to serve for years. we're gonna get more results. remarks flashbulb plus biographer evan osnos will share something president biden told him that he has yet to reveal stay with us there is about your father. >> father, 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remember as you noted, it's a poll of speech watchers, more democrats to watch a democratic president speak. and so it doesn't represent the country overall. so keep that in mind as you see this, we ask, do you have confidence in president biden's ability to protect american democracy 30 he's 6% of speech watchers said they have a lot of confidence in his ability to do that 27% said they have some competence and his ability to do that. so if you add those two up there, i think that's like 63%, nearly two-thirds have competence for him to protect us democracy. 37%, just over a third, say none. they'd, no confidence in joe biden to protect us democracy. what about confidence in his ability to carry out his duties? 31% said a lot of confidence, 28% said some. so again, that adds up to 59%, nearly 6.10 have a lot or some confidence in his ability to carry out his duties. 41% since said, no confidence at all. and look at how those numbers change from pre-speech to post-speech. so pre-speech, it was just 25% that say they have a lot of confidence that it could carry out his duties. erin, that goes up to 31% some confidence 27 that's stayed about the same and 48% before the speech said no confidence that went down to 41%. so clearly made some progress on that score. aaron >> oh, that is incredible. just to see how quickly things those perceptions could change. >> all >> right, here with two people who know the president's so well evan osnos, does it this issue of democracy and his being ready to protect it? this is something that he has made a signature issue and you over the many years that you have been covering him and writing about him, have found this to be a new sense of purpose it's quite distinct you hear it when he talks about this issue of democracy at home and around the world, heats on ukraine attack on free societies. he calls it the central cause of my presidency you know, joe biden has been in washington for 50 years. he's worked on a lot of issues. foreign parent foreign affairs. i was head of the judiciary committee. he never had something that was the central cause of his political life and he's really come to it now in many ways, sort of in this third act of his political life, it's quite noticeable because i think it organizes his thinking. >> and you been here the past three state of the unions with him. let me say the unions that you did not expect to be a part of you because you were you thought that the career was over? exactly, right? i worked for him at the end of his time as vice president, we spent time that last year but really thinking about how we wanted to cement his legacy. what kind of communications plan we wanted to put together to really put an exclamation point on the things that he cared the most about. a lot of his foreign relations work work that he did on campus, sexual assault, the its own us campaign. we really spent a lot of time thinking about how he would be remembered. i mean, he truly thought that he was done and then donald trump's election really for him, just catalyzed a feeling that we were really at a tipping point in history. i remember traveling with him in 2017. he was reading how democracies die a book by two harvard professors who were studying the way a democracy or roads as our institutions are road as the press or roads as the courts erode. >> so this was something >> that really consumed him and has so become the cause, really of his career. >> so you think you're done. >> you've got a biographer, you do the whole thing. you think you're dying. and then all of a sudden you're back and you're back with a worldview that is not the way the world, things have changed, right? he gets elected on, i'm going to be the guy too. it's a bridge the differences and work across the aisle and something he shared with you that you haven't yet shared with the public. he realizes the world's change. >> yeah, he's come to the conclusion that something profound has changed in the republican party. he said, i don't see it as just donald trump is leading the republican party. he said to me, as i see it, the republican party is gone. >> that's a >> huge change for him for years. he prided himself on the relationships he had with republican leaders. but look, mitch mcconnell stepping aside from the leadership role, many of the people who he knew when could make deals with they're gone. and i think as you see him making strategic decisions, how is he going about trying to relieve student debt? they're doing it by using the department of education and working around the gop majority in conservative majority in the supreme court. so in essence, he's saying if the gop is not going to work with me, i'm not going to pretend that we're going to make deals. i'm going to try to go around them. >> i took i think it's also important to understand why he felt that way, you know, there was a lot of criticism that his perspective that you could continue to work 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and some of you here seek to bury the truth about january 6, my predecessor fail and the most basic presidential duty my predecessor, a promising to pass a national ban on reproductive freedom. my predecessor, a former republican president, tells putin, quote, do whatever the hell you want. my predecessor came to office, determined to see roe v. wade overturn my predecessor called members of congress in the senate the demand they blocked the bill but unlike my predecessor i know who we are as americans are predecessor told, the nra, he's proud, he did nothing on guns when he was president he said my predecessor over 13 times in that speech. and in the room tonight, the state and respectful tone that used to mark the city. the union gave way to what we are now so familiar with when these states of the unions happen, a kind of call it response and the chance that we expect to hear in an arena for partisan diehards anybody really think the tax code is fair you really think the wealthy and big corporations need another $2,000,000,000,000 tax break >> my back when joe biden used to sit in the background as vice president, one number of congress actually called out in the speech with president o'biden president biden. and it was almost unheard of prior to that yet tonight, you see the evolution. republicans walked out, some of them in the middle of the speech interruption. so many to many to count check the numbers >> you guys don't want another $2,000,000,000,000 tax cut. i kind of thought that's what your plan was well, that's good to hear. you say, whoa, look at the facts i know i know you know, how to read >> boy here with us to break it all down. cnn contributor and associate professor of history at johns hopkins, leah wright rigueur, senior political analyst in new york times white house correspondent, zolan kanno youngs, seen him political commentator and former senior adviser to hillary clinton, karen finney, and cnn political commentator and republican strategist alice stewart. karen finney, let me start with you because we went into this with everyone saying what a big night and high-stakes moment it was for president biden and it needed to show style, not just substance. >> how do you think he did a plus? >> of course what come on monday, deliver the goods here now, but in that clip we just played, right? he was having fun with that. i mean, it was pretty predictable that republicans are going to ms be ave and they walk right into that trap as they usually do, kind of go to him into it. yeah. >> that was not going to take much to get them to go there. they went there and he was ready for it and it's interesting that now the modern state of the union speech you've got to be ready for that right? >> but i also thought that for people who are the bar was set so high for people who are saying, well, he show energy, will he show fire and gusto? absolutely. i think he showed passion. i think he showed compassion and it felt like he wove a lot of time stated union speeches and up and having worked on them, i can tell you they end up it's like, oh, we have this issue in there and get that issue and it's like this laundry list of issues and even though there was a lot of policy and issue talk of the way they woven into the conversation and use the guests who are seated with the first lady to humanize some of these issues was really important >> i think i will certainly when given a plus more like a c or d out, my look might look, he didn't stumble over words. he didn't forget anything. he stuck to the teleprompter, but he was angry. he came across very angry and he came across as someone who talks about a unity and uniting this country. he was very divisive and look if his goal tonight was to win over independents and some of the nikki haley voters. >> he >> did nothing to appeal to them. he yelled quite often throughout this speech and it came across as someone who is talks about how this lifting up this country and it was country is getting better. he just he just came across as very angry and it was in my view extremely partisan for him to mention donald trump's so early yes, they don't like his predecessor many times for him to use his name or mentioned him early. and so often this was more of a start-up, a campaign speech, and not a state of the union speech. and that is not what this is about. this is about him telling the american people what is the state of the union? how am i going to make this better yes, this is an election year, but the fact he made it so poorly political on all of these issues, i think did not do a service to what the state of the union address. it's supposed to play a little bit of what president biden said because to your point, alice, he pretty early on, he went at the heart of some of these issues that he has with donald trump without ever saying his name, take a listen. >> mark predecessor a former republican president tells putin, quote, do whatever the hell you want that's a, clone >> florida >> present actually shed that bowing down to a russian later. i think it's outrageous. it's dangerous and it's unacceptable >> and zolondek, you know, we hear from president biden a lot in these closed door fundraisers. and he's talking about stuff like this and he's using some pretty salty language. the question had been, should he be showing that kind of anger in public? do you think he did that tonight on a public stage? i mean, i understand the concerns you were talking about. when i talked to democratic voters. going back to early in the presidency, one complaint of the white house and the president was, i've talked to a lot of voters who said they didn't just want to hear about unity, but also accountability and also a way to directly call out the former president. there was a point in time when present biden seldom invoked president trump seldom tried to move on as part of this sort of movement to restore normalcy. but for many people in the country, this isn't a normal time. so i have been hearing more and more calls for him to directly call out the president's comments. i also know that for the white house last year, they relish some of those back-and-forths with republicans. and part of the strategy of performance here was going in with an intention of confrontation almost. >> yeah, he was trying to recreate those moments. what was remarkable ones that stood out to me though, we're was obviously they're supreme court justices in there. some of the ones who actually wrote this opinion overturning roe versus wade. we're not actually stated in their alito, i believe was not there. but president biden took a moment where he kind of chastised the supreme court and he said, with all due respect to the justices in this room, and he quoted from the majority opinion there, i think we have that moment where it was just so striking to see him chai, the supreme court, here's what he said >> it was all due respect. justices, women are not without electoral electoral power excuse me, electoral or political power. you're about to realize just how much what does that say to you? just in a context of watching a sitting president of the united states say that to the supreme court justices in the room. >> i mean, biden says it said it in his state of the union speech. these are not the olden days. these are the new times. these are different times, and i think one of the things that we have to take into account with the state of the union speeches that the state of the union speech has always evolved to reflect the context of the larger political moment. in this political moment, we're in uncharted territory. we are in a place where somebody like joe biden is if you do if you don't, and i think to your point, his base is calling for some kind of energy, some kind of passion, some kind of accountability, but also acknowledgement of them. trump speaks to his voters, biden voters want to be spoken to in one of the best places where they can, where somebody like biden can make intervention is on the issue of something like dobbs of the overturning of roe v. wade. we already know that the american public has lost faith in the supreme court. so what better way than a president who needs to show that he really does care about women and that women have political power than to call out the supreme court justices who made dobbs happen. in another instance that's tonight where he was able to react to prompting by people in the audience was when marjorie taylor greene asked him to say her name, and we know this. we're talking about laken riley, the nursing student at the university of georgia, my alma mater, who was jogging and was killed, suspect diddly by an undocumented immigrant from venezuela people in the media and others have been after this president to say laken riley's name acknowledged that this is at the hands of someone who has been a repeat offender and needs to be held accountable thankfully, congress acted today in passing the laken riley act but he just now is acknowledging her name. he has just now admitting that this did happen, hats off to marjorie taylor greene for pushing him, but this just goes to show that there is a crisis at the border. the his policies in my view, and many persons views are the root cause of why we're having such a tremendous border problem. and he has just now acknowledging it. and i think this would have been a tremendous opportunity for him to acknowledge more of the crisis and what he can personally do to fix it and not blame this on republicans. he repeatedly said, republicans are to blame. they didn't pass this, but he himself needs to acknowledge he came into office on day one and over returned by president trump's policies to secure the border and also build the wall. and he overturn those in three years later, he's just now doing two things. >> number one, president trump as president, didn't solve the problem. and let's be honest, it has been a crisis for a long time. i can remember growing up in california talking about the immigration crisis, right? so let's just be honest about that. at the same time, president biden on day one, also introduce comprehensive immigration reform and that nowhere i thought it was very powerful for him and we've seen this extreme focus groups when you tell people what was in the bill they're like, oh, great, that's what i want. and so i think it was very it's something that many of us have been urging the white house to do more of just tell people what you were trying to do. and then put it on the republicans who did walk away from the building. that was an important moment and that's that key moment with lankford nodding his head and saying that's true. cut that one for an ad because yeah, that's exactly what they were hoping for. >> it should be noted too. i mean, when you look at that bill, i've covered immigration since the trump administration and an expulsion authority that would rapidly turn migrants away, raising the credible fear standard to make it harder to gain asylum in the us surging resources to the border. i mean, i remember trump administration officials talking to them and them saying these are some of the policies that we need at this time. i do think this is a really fascinating moment for the white house here on immigration. i don't know if it will be successful yet. you see them shifting to the offense here on immigration, there was a lot of criticism from both parties of distancing themselves from a crisis that is on the mind of american voters. i don't know though at this point what the result bolt will be. essentially, we're saying house republicans, you're the one who blocked this. even while there is >> going to be a result. i think it's critical >> strategy but at the border came later on in his speech, the thinking came out of the gate starting with which we were told was going to happen, was democracy. and then he immediately mentioned ukraine and talked about making sure putin doesn't, won't stop it. ukraine and talk about the importance of funding sending ukraine aid, of course, is house speaker mike johnson is right there. but the other thing that was paired with all of this is that you have to think about israel and gaza, which is obviously president biden on the way to this speech, had to take a difference current route to actually get there to avoid the protesters who were trying to block it. his motorcade from getting to the capital. he's a little bit late getting there. i wonder what you make of how he handled that moment in the historical context, but also something that could be deeply damaging to him come november with the progressive younger members of his party right? so not only i think one of the things that the >> white house continues to do is underestimate just what kind of impact this kind of israel, hamas, but also palestinian crisis humanitarian crisis that the us is now actively involved in how, how that's going to play out at the polls. and so i think tonight he did a job when a parent currently the cnn quick poll supports this, where it's said the majority of americans felt like he talked about israel just enough, right? look, just, he did exactly what he needed to do with that being said, though. i think that there were again underestimating what people in very specific areas, like michigan, like pennsylvania, very specific target groups, how they feel about the issue in right now amongst those groups, particularly amongst young people, the biden white house is not doing enough and i don't know that there is a solution that makes the democratic, this disparate coalition of the democratic base happy all happy. and so what they're doing right now is trying to figure out what is the middle ground they did time. i mean, it's pretty extraordinary announcement that they made today that they were going to basically build a port, correct. on the shores of gaza to get this aid in both an indictment of the netanyahu admitted administration's unwillingness to allow more aid over land, but also timed to address this directly at the end of the day. this is the state of the union. he's not going to tailor that to the far left of his party. but did he do enough to to get the people that he needed to stay in the coalition? well, i think that's exactly the promise the professor is saying there's never going to be enough. i mean, the other problem, as we know, we're the united states, it's really up to netanyahu. there's only so much that we can do. obviously there's more we can do potentially with a, but you can't make netanyahu do what we want him to do he's still their leader. and so i think the president was right to make the point though he is the person who has been pushing that and how to care about the hostages. i thought was very touching to have their parents there and look, remember this also comes on the heels of the vice president's announcement this weekend. i think that was the two pieces because of an in selma. and then today is the anniversary of summary. yesterday was the university of salma think it was very powerful. >> i think for the vice president that come out and say, we support a ceasefire that that's one thing, but it means nothing. if hamas is not onboard, and i think a ceasefire needs to be hand in glove with releasing these hostages and next step with helping to get the aid into gaza, but we have to talk also about releasing these hostages. first, >> a good point, i mean, the reality is hamas is the one at this point might not agreeing to anything that is are the two, yeah. >> and some of those families of the hostages in that very room tonight, everyone stick around. there's a lot more to break down from president biden's state of the union speech up next next we'll talk about how he went on offense on the issue of immigration. one of his weakest polling point, he got rare backup from that one republican in the crowd that 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