>> a monumental super tuesday, donald trump dominated and so did joe biden in 2024 matchup is all but set now and it is a rerun of the 2020 election that nearly cleaved this country in half. i'm abby phillip in washington, and i'm laura coats and new york for november matchup. isn't white set, but you know what it might as well being nikki haley got when as in singular, as in vermont. but there are plenty of checkmarks to count up with. >> former president >> california, oklahoma virginia colorado, north carolina, tennessee, texas, arkansas meant god, just like a third rate again, alabama my minnesota, and massachusetts. you added all up and from delegate advantage is to borrow from him huge almost 900 trial trump delegates to 60 and change haley delegates. >> there is >> aren't just crystallized, just how dominant front has been. he is one, a whopping 90 plus percent of all available delegates. >> he is. >> it appears inevitable and his march the nomination comes welcome it got nader for the biden campaign >> even as the >> president picked up a win after win tonight, look at all the states he is historically weak for an incumbent. looking at the polls, the biden campaign clearly wants to make a general election pivot tonight, painting the choice between mean the him and the former president as one, between moving forward or moving backward into chaos. division and darkness. but tonight, trump repeats heeded the abcs of his policy achievements. some of it, much of it inaccurate. trump diagnosed also what he sees as biden's glaring weakness it says without any prescriptions to actually fix what he believes is broken and no no mentioned from the stage of the woman who trump is speeding tonight and that is nikki haley haley let's go straight now to harry enten at this magic wall. so glad we're here today. so show us some of the winds across these super tuesday states so you mentioned those lists of felt like we were back in second grade, right. i had to memorize the state's know, all the capitals, all the capitals, know how to spell them, connect. i cut >> look. >> i >> like matt form though, forget a list, look at the map from look at all of this trump red on here with a little bit of haley orange, yellow, and just give you an idea of where we we're if you were to go back to 2016 in these same states, not as much of that dark trump red, white, right? there was some cruise yellow up here, down here in the south and southwest, there was marco rubio went up here and even ted cruz wind up in new england. but again, if we jump forward, now, it is all trump. red. and let's take a look at some of these laws archer trump wins, right? let's go to california right now. huge, delicate prize, 169 delegates at stake, trump by winning this contest, get some all that's a big reason he has so many delicate look at this. 75% of the vote to nikki haley's just 21% of the vote. and look at this map. i mean, i can click in on the individual counties if you want me to, you know, we can go here here, we can go here, we can go here. it's all red. it's all red for donald trump in the state of california. now, the other big state that donald trump also won tonight. how about we go down to texas, right? look at this margin, 78% to 17%. this is a state that donald trump lost in 2016, and he's dominating here was this also a winner-take-all states? this is a winner take most states. so essentially he is going to win the lion's share of the delegates. it wouldn't be shocking to me of halley got to squeeze that delegate or two out of the 161, but he's going to win the lion's share of the delegates out of this state. so overall, donald trump just absolutely dominating tonight and you can see this on the delicate board right? here. you don't have to be a mathematician know 893 is a lot more than 66, and there's no mathematician between the two of us, just fyi, but it's surprising to see, remember the impact of those nine delegates already still on the map there. but what about president joe biden? how did he fare today? yes. so let's go over to the democratic side and we'll look at the states that were on the map for super tuesday why. do you see? >> i've clicked off, but the point is, look, how about we go down at texas. we see here 85%. how about we go up here, minnesota, 70%. how about we go, we'll go up to the state of vermont again at 8%. so joe biden doing very well across these states, but there are few warm putting signs. if i was looking for joe biden at this particular point, we'll start in minnesota. okay. >> my home state. your home state of minnesota. look at the uncommitted vote here. 19%. he's only getting about 70% of that vote. there was a drive, especially among the muslim american community, down by hennepin county, minneapolis to try and get this uncommitted vote just like there wasn't mission again, to voice frustration with the handling of the gaza war. look at uncommitted right here, 26% of the vote is this congresswoman ilhan omar district. that's exactly right. elon omar's district you know, go down to codec county, not nearly as much. if you go up here ramsey county, st. paul, again, that's same thing. 24% of the vote. here's another warning sign for joe biden. i want to take a look out, though. let's get down to texas. texas. you can see joe biden getting 85% of the vote here. marianne williamson for dean phillips, just 3%, but go down to the border, go down to this area that had a big shift from hillary clinton in 2016, joe biden won these counties by a lot less. look here, look at joe biden could just getting 65% of the vote in hidalgo county. how about we go to cameron county, getting just 66% of a heavily hispanic border is a huge issue down here and flip that over to the republican side. the aisle, and look at donald trump is actually getting larger share of the vote in a lot of these counties. look at this 86%. you go here at 8%. so to me as you're looking forward towards the general election, right? this is going to be a real question. i think along the border, hispanics, along the border concerned about border security, maybe joe biden is not going to win counties that historically have been very, very pro-democratic are some troubling numbers for joe biden. if you're looking at some troubling numbers, one other thing i would just sort of look at in terms of if you're just sort of interested in sort of an interesting trivia question >> trivia harrigan, you love trivia. >> let's go to the us territories. how about right here >> who i'd never heard of this guy before tonight. i don't think most americans consent. jason palmer, very few votes, but jason proper, 51%, 40% of the vote for joe biden. and you know what we call this race. we call this race for jason palmer. so if you're looking for a state or a territory that joe biden didn't win in this primary season. how about american samoa? hey, guess what? i'm going to interview him later. you're going to meet him, introduce him to the really the world perhaps, and maybe add to the overall knowledge. but how about states to trump is not doing as well in harry? >> yeah. what are some places where donald trump is not doing as well and well, let's go up to vermont. okay. >> this is a place nikki haley, >> again, we have called this race for nikki haley not a big surprise here because i want you to look right along sort of this connecticut river valley, this area. okay. that is an area that i went to school and i want across right across the state line in hanover, new hampshire. but you can see look at these margins, nor which 79% of the vote for nikki haley, you go up here to for 67%. these are well educated areas around hanover, new hampshire, dartmouth college, and we also see that really, if we go down to virginia as well, right? look, the northern suburbs, right, right around washington, dc. look at fairfax county, 57% of the, a lot of government workers, a lot of well-educated folks. how about fairfax? 15 he 7% of the vote, or if you're really want to go deep down and let's go in to arlington, look at that 74% of the vote. my goodness, gracious. or if we were to go right here, false church, 75% of the vote. but overall for donald trump, this was an absolutely dominating night. look at this delicate tracker right here where did we start out the evening? donald trump was at 276 delegates. look at where we go tonight all the way up to 893 delegates. you only need 1,215 a win and the donald trump campaign is of the belief that they, they were essentially saying that they could get up to 1,112 delegates. maybe that will happen. that was their projection and they're of the belief, if you look at their documents that they could in fact clinch the nomination by next tuesday. and at this particular point, i'm not sure that will happen, but they are well well, on their whelan. >> wow, this is so important to hear abby laura, the lot going on there, but most of it is really a wipe out by both candidates for the most part. and that kind of brings us right here into the studio with our great panel, bakari. it seems like both candidates donald trump, joe biden, got the matchup that they probably wanted but you as a democrat, if you're looking at this, i'm hearing a lot of democrats yelling on social media about how things are not so bad for joe biden that donald trump is so weak. do you see it that way? >> first my advice is anybody that's evaluating this race needs to get off social media. that's probably first >> so that's step one. first >> of all, you have to admit you have a problem, abby. i mean, it means you have a problem they address it now. so again, on social media, but this is the match-up the democrats wanted if these were going to be the candidates, we want to run against donald trump. if joe biden is going to be the nominee? >> here's >> it was a foregone conclusion, donald joe biden was going to be the nominee, and so bring on donald trump in november. there's no other candidate in the history of the united states that has this many glaring weaknesses. you ask somebody in donald trump actually is as good as he's going to get tonight. he only gets worse as a candidate with the trials that are coming up. possible guilty verdicts that are coming up with his own mouth was his own tweets. it's inevitable that donald trump as a candidate will get worse and joe biden has the bully pulpit of the president of the united states. he has great accomplishments what people are feeling though, is that there's a disconnect between the accomplishments of the white house and people actually feeling those things at the dinner table and in their pockets and the white house has to close that gap >> i don't think it's a matter of communication as a matter of reality. and as you said, the perception people have about the economy, the perception people have about the crisis at the border, the perception people have about our foreign policy is not good, and that is a direct reflection on joe biden and my good friend bakari. i know you're mr. optimism and want to look at the glass is half full, but we saw this new york times sienna poll over the weekend, and it was not good for joe biden. and we've seen democrats come out and say the level of freak out amongst democrats is at an all-time high hi and the biggest takeaway i think out of that times poll is that when voters were asked, do you feel personally better off with joe biden? people say there are more personally hurt with joe biden's policies, whereas with donald trump, they say they feel better personally with donald trump's policy. so it's the policies that are winning you over. >> caveat, caveat to democrats freaking out because we're proverbial bedwetters. i mean that is what we do in order to be a democrat, you have a set of pearls to clutch them religiously >> be wise to be a little bit of a bedwetter in this kind of environment. if the stakes are as high as joe biden, yeah, it's always wise to run scared aired, but i mean, she's my good friend. alice says she wants to deal in reality, that's what people say when they're about to dig you in the south. okay. we ever say, bless your heart and my good friend, that means that the right hook is coming but the reality is that this president has a lot to run on, whether or not it's bipartisan successes on capitol hill, infrastructure reduction act, infrastructure act, excuse me, inflation reduction act, those type of things really matter. and but, but you're right and people are right when they're saying that you still have issues of kitchen table importance to many people but this president does have successes. it's not as if he's not running. >> so let's deal in the world of reality has now sanctioned is realities. you listen, did you listen to donald trump? tonight? unfortunately, i did because i listened to donald trump tonight and he was reciting a litany of things. and most of what he said was not true. he wants to talk about his accomplishments, but he's not telling the truth about them. >> well, look, i live a lala land which is florida, so they believe all of that they eat it all up. >> perception there's not reality as i told my father, reality is reality dead. and unfortunately for donald trump and i heard david urban say this tonight. he was mentioning about how that is a general election candidate speech no, it's not. and maybe it's because i worked for the other network down the street. i live in the buzzwords and phrases and those things are repellants to me. but if he's going to message like that for the next nine months and he thinks that swaying to haley voters that voted for her right now in this primary is going to sway them back. now, maybe they're like finding dory and they forget about all this. and in nine months they just vote, are all the way down the ticket, all the way back up. >> but >> that speech he gave tonight is reciting the greatest hits. and it doesn't focus on what you want to target from a moderate and independent standpoint, which is some of the issues speak about the actual issues. yeah, there's a crisis at the border. cbp has said it speak about it, don't speak about buzzwords and phrases and give us all this other rhetoric and language that we know is not proven true. he is not messaging properly to the folks that in november he's going to need to come over and look no further than that. what happened in tom suozzi's district up in long island, right? another candidate that was put up by the maga party and they lost. so maybe the trend continues where these candidates again shut down. >> i would, i would argue though, to truly understand what's going to happen over the coming months and heading into november's that you can't look at the playbooks that we have come to know from previous elections. we know that donald trump is going to go out and in list of let new of false hoods like we know that's going to happen. we also know that when you look at the data out of that, republicans are certainly a majority of them are okay with that. they're fine with not living, quote, unquote, and reality or dealing with the truth. i mean, the end goal is to win. and i do think that donald trump, when he goes out and desi speeches and does his rallies he's winning. was not winning is when joe biden goes out there and he's very quiet and he's mumbling at times. he is not winning so i do think that biden we talked a lot about his age, but it's really his age is really him getting out there >> it's an it's an important britain point. it's going to be up to joe biden to counter donald trump he can't he can't replace himself in this. he is the principal trump. >> just breaking news for everybody watching donald trump is old too. >> i mean, we forget that really have here. >> but he talks enough about not being all too. it makes joe biden. >> but we're not learning anything from this because these are primary voters that were already going to vote for him. this was never an issue of messaging for nikki haley. it's a math problem, 100 -40 is 60 he's got 60. and in some cases 78% down >> now you asked >> for 12:00 >> from speeds much differently than i guess some other folks sitting up here to i heard him as measured as reasonable as someone who understands. now the next goal is to unify not just the republican party, but this country and look, anyone who didn't think this night was going to end like this does underestimates donald trump and does not understand republican voters because republican voters believe everything he says to your point and they, they believe his policies, but they i mean, understand how he's touching on issues that are important ties, touching on it issues that are important to them. but he is not telling the truth. that's a really big problem. he says, he says it in a subdued tone of voice. but what he is saying is fundamentally untrue. what he's talking about with energy independence, just take that as an example. that's not true. the united states is a net energy exporter, largest exporter of crude in the world. i'm telling you what republican voters are hearing and how they are reacting by going out to the polls and voting for donald trump in droves. they listen to what he says with regards to that. >> and i think you're back in right about that the bar for the 45th president of the united states. the bar for donald trump is inhale. and we set that for him. so anytime he comes out and he's decently subdued, where he speaks with a different tone or he he just doesn't fidget or he doesn't fumble his words. we say, oh, my god while trump is finally here now, he's being presidential is not the case, and it talked about republican voters. and this is, i mean, alice hit the nail on the head. this is a fact, a party of law and order, you know, supporting and rallying behind somebody with 90 plus indictments, the family values party supporting somebody that has five kids by three baby mamas. i mean, this is where we we are with the republican party. and the question has to be, and this is not, this is like, this is politics 100. this is not a persuasion election. i keep telling people that this is a gotv race and we have to see if, if joe biden's able to get those people out >> it's a turnout election. i was i just want to say i think you are right though. republicans listen to trump and it's really music to their ears and that's actually the main takeaways i was speaking to the base that he understands probably better than anyone else. everyone standby because we live a long way to go in this election. we have a long way to go the next couple hours that will be with one than they're coming up next. cnn is hosting a focus group of conservatives and liberals and independents about their thoughts on tonight. and what's to come in the months ahead. plus, we have new reaction just in, from house speaker mike johnson, this is cnn's special 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think it's over right now to talk more about that in a second for our trump and biden's border, i want to ask the trump supporters first, what message would you give the donald trump's want a better campaign? everyone can do something better. what would you say? >> i'd say he's need to tweak his message to be less divisive and unify the country rather than trying to divide the country you're biden's support in the quarter. what do you say about joe biden? how does he run a better campaign >> i think he's got to address what people are saying about his senility and come out is more active and forceful if he's got to prove that he can be a leader for the next four years. you're a trump supporter. what do you say? >> certainly i would like to see him calm down on the tweets and things in the middle of night, and focus more on the idea of trying to run a general campaign instead of trying to run a campaign for just the republicans, you as a biden support or how would, what would you send joe biden >> i would just like him to be really as trans apparent as possible of things that are going on and to keep working with his policies for the general population of the united states. >> one thing i think it's interesting here, as i said, for trump, for have you biden to haley no one changed their mind for four years ago for have you voted for trump? four of you voted for biden to have you voted for neither trump nor biden. the two of you were watching a little of donald trump's speech tonight. one of the things he said was this country is a joke. our country is dying as a biden support. would you think of those words? >> i think that's a mischaracterization. i think that our political system, arguably as dying our political system has some deep-seated problems. i think we need to address through some meaningful reforms like voting reforms and trying to get money out of politics, for example. but i don't think the country itself as a grand jury that he said that. yes. >> what about you as a trump supporter? what do you think of those words when donald trump says stuff like that? >> i think he's capturing a sentiment that people feel that the country is moving in the wrong direction. i just think the american way of life is under attack. and i think people are choosing him, are voting for him because they hope for change, hope for a bit american pride again, to be patriotic when he says that the country is dying, do you wish he didn't say stuff like that? >> i wish he didn't say a lot of things, but i see past that because because i believe that he is the man who represents a love of this country and i can see past that, yes, the mean tweets. i'll take the mean tweets if it means air about this country loved this country and be proud of this country. and i don't see that in biden. >> richer republican, but you're not going to vote for trump, correct >> no, i don't think trump has the personal character that rises to the gravitas of the office of the presidency, who you vote for if the election were today? you know, it's, it's tough, it's hard to vote for biden, but i'm i'm sticking with nikki haley. she's got the character. she defends our veterans the constitution, but most of all, all the polling shows that she's the one that can beat biden by a wider margin. would you >> consider voting for biden down the road? >> i would consider voting for biden as tough as it is to say. but i mean, if trump gets convicted, that's a big i can't go along with the party wants to support a convicted felon. >> one more question. i want to ask you all prediction time. i know you're not psychics and if you were give me a cut of the proceeds, have you made correct. prognostications all the time who do you think is going to win this election? who thinks trump is going to win the election raise your hand high. 123456 who thinks biden is going to win the election 1234 it's kinda like the same pattern as who you like is who you think is going to win. thank you very much. do one more question actually, think the packers will do even better next year. >> it absolutely, yes. >> yes. >> i sure hope not. i'm a bears fan lower back to you, and then minnesota and says school for the vikings, let the packers sands know gary tuchman and wisconsin. thank you so much. joining me now, former high deputy chief of staff under trump, shermichael singleton senior spokesperson for hillary clinton's 2016 campaign. karen finney, and former senior white house advisory matt mauer and national political reporter for the new york times, astead herndon. i'm so glad you're all with us tonight because it's an important conversation. i want to just dive in for a second to what you were hearing because you heard the conversations gary was asking about the speech that donald trump gave following his wins tonight, he called america third world country okay. said that it was dying. >> you heard a >> number of people saying, look, that bothered them, but they could see past it that strikes me as a said really illustrative of the entire campaign. yeah. i mean, a lot of people are dealing with the reality of two candidates, doug on like if you are a person who has excited about joe biden or donald trump you are in the minority the majority of americans are seeing the results from super tuesday tonight and swallowing a very harsh reality that they are getting a 2024 election. that's two candidates. they don't prefer, right? so that's the majority feeling. now, if we think about democrats or republicans respectively, there's different signs that come from this it's evening. i think that you have donald trump that has shown his imprint on the republican party for a long time. and that can sit in that continues tonight, right? like nikki haley has a lot of science. i'm trump is real problems around the real slice of republican party. but these are too weak general election candidates, right? the reason donald trump is in the race is because he believes he can be joe biden the reason joe biden is in this race is because he believes he can beat donald trump. they are mutually agreed. partner sip around beating each other and both of their parties, respectively know that there are stronger candidates elsewhere. and so i think that thing though it said both parties did not put up other candidates really kind of talking in the broad reality, how folks are feeling right now. but it doesn't actually matter for november because these are going to be the candidates were there. so in that in that real, i think that you see biden and trump like we're dealing with their respective weaknesses. and for biden, you haven't among the base, you haven't among young people, you have folks are upset about the administration's policy about the war in gaza. and among trump, you have a more independent slides. the folks who are voting for nikki haley, the reasons we see vermont going in a different direction, and both of those are gonna be real problems for them when they come to november. but i think we should be honest that we are dealing with too weak general election candidates. and part of the reason we are getting that in november is because the party are the top levels of parties have mutually understood that they both can beat each other, but that's a very very low bar. i mean, that's, that's a race among turtles >> agree with that >> yeah, i'm just gonna say, i think it matters less about who people love, who voters love, and who they hate. this is not going to be hoping change campaign. this is not can be a campaign that's going to make everyone off fluttering and happy and excited. this can be a brutal campaign. you heard in a really interesting comment in that focus group, the woman said, our american way of life is under attack. and what that tells me is this is someone who fundamentally believes that joe biden, this case, president biden, is actually attacking her way of life, and i guarantee you yes, biden voters, they feel the exact same way about donald trump and january 6. other democracies at stake, too many voters right now are willing to say honestly to me, but many voters are willing to say right now that i may not love my person. maybe they're too old. baby, agree with all the tweets. maybelle grew their style, but if that other person wins, that's existential threat to my way of life and the stakes so too high, i'm going to vote for my guy. >> and what concerns me about that is that it sounds a lot like 2016 and i've said for a long time, this donald trump, who is running, is running a lot more like he did in 2016, racial grievance pitting people against each other, throwing with a little bit of 2020 revisionist history and lots of lives thrown enemy. he's sort of running with a bit of incumbency. the full controller republican party, which you did not have in 2016. but he is setting it up to be a very similar dynamic. i mean, you know, when she said that, i thought that's myself moving away from where? from who and for someone like me, when we think back to 2020 and we think about where the country was in terms of racial reckoning, i feel like america is feeling like kind of over that too, in the same way that they're feeling a little bit removed from the every day sort of grind of trumpism and i do think though, that we're going to get more of a full dose of trumpism in the next going forward, because let's basic were in the general election because in speech is going to be his first speech of the general election. and against true. >> but karen, one of the things, one of the people said was, look, they want him to go more from the primary hey, race to now a general election. i think it was an important decision, frankly, tonight to carry his entire speech. there has been a tendency to give only bits and pieces. and i think people have to understand and recall him. and the full breath, whether you like it or not, the full breadth of it. but there are, there are notions by them because some of what was said, i mean, he talked about immigration. you talked about the dog whistles that used to be are now megaphones in different ways. what did you take? it >> was more presidential in my opinion, of donald trump, i think this is exactly what individuals from lacivita, from susie wiles, brian jack, to political director. this is what they want. they want a more controlled trump because they do recognize that you do have at least about two or 3.10 republicans who are somewhat skeptical of trump reelect. and so i think attempting to speak to those individuals by focusing on the economy. i focused on an immigrant ration. he alluded to the fact that under my administration, we weren't in prolonged a military conflicts across the global concerns. a lot of >> i don't, i don't think i don't think i don't think the veracity necessarily of the claims are as important as the ability of him to appear presidential, to appear for sure, michael that same i don't think isn't that starting that the veracity would not be as important as the optics >> what i think that most voters who say look, we're used to donald trump. he says while things that's okay, i don't think that's a deciding factor for many voters, but i think but i think we have to remind ourselves, let's, let's be clear. he's he's doing. okay. with the portion of the republican and primary electorate that is in love with donald trump. he is having trouble consolidating his base. he is having trouble in the suburbs that we saw that in that map of house any different from joe biden? >> let me just finish i'm talking about donald trump right now. and what that says to me is those suburban women, particularly voters, they're the ones who do not like this. the nasty talk. they're the ones who say, i don't let the woman said the mean tweets. i'm okay with that, but she can see pat, but you can see past it yeah. >> yeah. >> i just say like donald trump it was never going to be presidential. like there's a moment not coming he can redefine what it means to be precedential, which is what his appeal and drawback is. but he's never going to be the mold of the person of presidential that we have seen previously. he didn't do it the last time he's even more and more to that this time, i think what you're pointing out is really important like, but it's different. donald trump in 2024 thinks he can win a multiracial base, thinks he can win working class people. he thinks he can does not have to actually choose between the racial grievance and actually building a broad coalition. this version of the republican party is confident that they can actually win different types of people than they want in 20 >> johnny's to be the case. >> and polling tells him yes. >> and caren to that point though, i think that's the speech tonight that he gave. tonight was about trump, the policies you ask republican primary voters. so once who are big maga fans, you don't love the tweets, don't love the style. what do they say? they say, i don't like the personality by the policies, give me the judges give me the tax cuts, give me the energy regulations and reforms, give me the immigration control that he saw and that's where he talked about and you talk about crime, immigration, and energy. if he stays on that message is winning those suburban republican voters went for nikki haley tonight. he's on his way to winning the white house. >> i mean, i was watching it. i agree that those words came out when i think about the speeches, i'm maybe i'm being hypercritical i've never that no when you look at this, i mean, he was saying those things, but did you really hear a fluid policy analysis? i heard mentions of these things. he was a circuitous route. it was meandering for a lot of reasons. and yes, the buzzwords were there. but if you were advising him, was that the message to go from i mean, he went from every three different aspects and just sort of said these moments. >> but, you know, you gotta remember 2016 campaign i was on ripe. it's not exactly like we had a giant think tank in the campaign. there weren't like at five-page white papers, what he did was actually offer policy in the way he often talks about policy, which is very quick, very direct, and very personal. and that's why he did tonight. and that's why but that's what they want. they don't want this complicated, nuanced articulation of policy and economics and immigration. they just wanted to, immigration is a problem. i'm going to address it. the economy sucks, inflation has a problem. i'm going to address it. we have military conflicts all over the world. i am going to address it. that's all they want. joe biden in my opinion, isn't so certainly doing that until the point about this third of republican voters that haley's getting pbs imperative polish showcase, 82% of them so that they will vote for donald trump. i'm not convinced that donald trump is in risk of losing those 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american people are ready to return to secure borders, economic prosperity, and peace through strength we experienced under his leadership. i look forward to working together to retake the white house and grow our majority in congress. now, johnson and the entire house gop leadership team had already endorsed trump. so this isn't entirely surprising, but they are increasingly calling on the rest of the party to fall in line. and just one other dynamic that i think is worth pointing out here is that johnson has been working to try to make sure that trump in him are in alignment on a number of key congressional races. in fact, johnson went to mar-a-lago just last week where i'm told that he personally lobbied trump to try to make some endorsements of key republican candidates. so just another prime example of trump's influence and his iron grip on the gop. laura, will there be reciprocity? it's a big question. mine isn't anna. thank you so much, abby. >> joining the conversation here in washington, this former obama white house deputy press secretary bill burton, bill thanks for joining us. good to see you back in dc. so nikki haley she has been siphoning somewhere between 30, maybe 40% in certain primaries of the donald trump potential universe of votes. does the biden campaign think that those voters are gettable for them? >> well, if you look at the new york times poll over the weekend, about two thirds of haley's supporters actually voted for biden in 2020 and only 9% of them supported trump's. so i actually think that there is some real consolidation tend to be had. and how trump treats nikki haley, i think will matter a lot and whether or not he even has access to those 9% of voters who supported him last time around >> and for joe biden's campaign, when you look at the results tonight, obviously, he more or less swept. we'll talk about america. smile later. we're not going to talk about that right now. >> but he more or less swept at the same time, we know that there are some things happening underneath the surface here when it comes to the key democratic constituencies, black voters, latino voters, younger voters. now potentially arab and muslim voters there's a problem and does the biden campaign, do you get the sense that they acknowledged they're aware of the scope of that problem. >> i do think that they sense the the enormity of the situation that they're dealing with with groups inside of his coalition. but i think that you can't look at any group says monoliths, right? like black voters. i think there's a lot of persuasion that's going to have to be done in the black community this time around before you get to get out the vote effort. and that community and with muslim voters one thing to come consider is that even though people are angry now, are having strong emotions now, like this race is a choice between two people. and at the end of the day, joe biden is going to be so much better for our relationships in the world and how we're dealing with israel then president trump would be. and finally israel may not be the issue that it is in the fall, that it is it's right now. right. we're closer and closer to a ceasefire. >> it may not be in the headlines at all earlier, just as we were coming on, bakari was talking about the third party component of this, the rfk's, the jill stein's, the the, all the others, dean phillips whoever that's a real factor, it seems how worried are you? >> i'm very i'm very worried. >> cornell west as well in 2016, hillary clinton lost in large part because 8% of voters chose third-party candidates in that race. and joe biden won in 2020 when less than 2% of voters chose third-party candidates. so that margin, that's six point difference could be very consequential for joe biden. so i think that they need to take the threat seriously. they need to neutralize some of these campaigns and they need to get out in front of making sure that they have their positive vision for america on their front-foot. >> bakari, who are you most worried about? >> so i don't i i slightly disagree with my friends, my right because i don't think that it's a two-person race. i've always said this. i think that it's a race between joe biden, donald trump in the couch. and so my biggest fear is the couch. and i think that there are a lot of voters. i don't anticipate they're going to be many arab and muslim voters that jump over joe biden to vote for donald trump. but there may be a large amount to stay home they're on a lot of black voters who are there is no planet on which donald trump is going to get 20 plus percent of black voters. i don't care who would the new york times, i don't know. we'll come back to this. i don't know what they smoke. i don't know when they smoke in it. i don't know a wet poll they think they doing or whomever is doing it. there is no planet that donald trump is going to get 20 plus percent of black voters. it's just not going to happen. but someone who is black voters may stay home. and that's going to matter in places like detroit milwaukee philadelphia, clark county. so that is somewhat worried about the couch than i am. okay. >> so so rfk junior, just today, he got enough signatures to get on the nevada ballot a key battleground state there's a real question about who he hurts, who does he heard? is that biden is a trump. >> he will take from both sides. i had the opportunity to interview him for an article and i went to opening of one of his campaign in new jersey, and the crowd was mixed. there were some that were biden supporters. i spoke with many who will republicans who said they're going to cross over and vote for him because of the way he was about, about covid and about vaccines. and many of the issues he stands for he's going to pull some republicans and some democrats. and so i think he has someone to watch. his campaign has slowly been working on the very difficult part of ballot access is not so much about who can do great in the polls right now, but who can get on the ballot and they've been slowly doing so. i think bakari is onto something with regard to the couch because what we saw on our early cnn exit polls tonight in virginia and north carolina, republican primary voters, 30% to 40% say they're not maga, people, they're not maga republicans. so those are donald trump voters and donald trump is really going to have to work to bring those people into the fold. he said tonight that's where this plan is. that's what he wants to do is unify the party, but those are the people he's really going to happen >> you know, can i just read in one quick thing because we're talking about the group of black voters. i come representing the puerto rican cuban a delegation. if we were on chappelle's show, you guys would get that job. >> and >> 62.1 million latinos in this country, donald trump in the third presidential, the third gop debate that happened in november in miami. what did he do? he had a rally in hialeah, florida were 5,000 people attended. >> take >> this group serious. i come bearing that message because the latino voters and the messaging on some of these platforms in spanish to trump campaign is doing that right now on the ground on the biden campaign's got a lot of work to do in that regard. >> all right, guys. everyone standby. bill burton. thank you very much for joining us on this. coming up next, a new cnn projection as a big battle is underway right now in california and by president biden's blast, either the union before the 2024 election, >> with challenges at home and abroad can he make the case for four more years in the white house? join cnn for special live coverage of the state of the union address thursday at eight on cnn. >> at fisher investments, we may look like other many managers, but we're different. >> you can't be that different. >> we are, we've a team of specialists, not only in investing, but also in financial and estate planning and more, your 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enten is here with me at the wall. harry runners to the numbers here. >> yeah, baseball and politics together, what a segment in deed, i really am loving myself right now. >> america's new favorite pastime is you nice. >> look, here's the deal. if folks are not familiar with the rules in california elections, essentially, all the candidates, regardless of party, ron in an open primary and then the top two advance the general election. what we're projecting right now is that steve garvey, the republican, and adam schiff, a democrat, or advancing this is fantastic news for adam schiff because if you know anything about california politics you know, it's a very blue state. so once you get to the general election, adam schiff is going to be heavily favored in fact, there were some ads that were spent to kind of prop up garvey on shifts behalf. he don't want to face katie porter. katie porter who is the leading democrat besides adam schiff, was at 15%. we go down a little bit more. you were interested in this, laura barbara lee, a congresswoman from the san francisco where are you at 7% you go to alameda county and this will give you an idea of how dominating amd shifts, right? look at here. this is, barbara believes home county, adam schiff, leading there with 36% of the vote. barbara lee, it's just 21% of vote. let's zone out and let's go down to the saff. let's go down to los angeles. that's where adam schiff is from. look at how dominant adam schiff tears 40 the 2% of votes, katie porter, with just 15%. steve garvey with 23% of the vote. and how about we got to orange county? this is a place where katie porter's from. you would expect her perhaps will be leading adam schiff here. a1 happening, although steve garvey ahead and what has historically been a republican county of orange county has certainly shifted blue over the last few election cycles. steve garvey ahead here. but again, adam schiff, leading katie porter, the fact of the matter is you go through the map, you go through the counties. adam schiff doing what he needs to do, and he is now a very, very heavy favorite for the november election. >> let's listen to me speaking live right now >> want to acknowledge again my great gratitude to all of my wonderful supporters. i want to acknowledge the right of our protesters. and i look forward to work with you all an odd word to victory in november. thank you very much. everybody. >> thank let's go on and win this thing. ana. no ever everybody and thank you for all your support. thanks, everyone. >> adam schiff speaking live in california. tonight's and national correspondent for like a miracle is in san jose. use. it was impossible not to hear all the protesters who were trying to drown on him out. but he spoke still over that crowd for omega taus was happening where you are >> well, it's very busy here at this election center here in santa clara county. as you can see, all of the activity behind me as soon as the polls closed all of the votes from the 104 voting centers all over the county. they were brought here by the carload. and you can see that's exactly what these workers are unpacking, vote by vote. they're counting and sorting all of these ballots which will be counted starting tomorrow earlier in the day, this room it's also very busy as they were counting all of the vote by mail ballots because on average, 88% of californians vote by mail and so a lot of that what's happening here today? now, we did see some voters who did come to the polls. there was not a whole lot that came in person, but those that we did speak to really talked about the economy as being the most important thing right now. no surprise, as here in the state of california, it has one of the nation's highest living costs. and many people also spoke to us about the presidential race being incredibly important. one man saying, he cannot fathom a future where the former president donald trump is re-elected. so he wanted to make his voice heard by 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>> secret. johnson has also now done so, which hold your horses, mr. trump, because math, he needs 1,215 delegates to officially clinched the nomination. he's got 936. so far. >> and tonight, cnn projects that nikki >> haley has now won for mod with 17 delegates. meanwhile, joe biden warrants in a statement are we're going to keep moving forward or will we allow donald trump to drag us backwards into chaos, division and darkness that defined his term in office. the white house says that biden will be quote, kept updated as the results come in while he's working on thursdays, major state of the union address >> a new picture so tonight of what republican voters think about the legitimacy of the 2020 election and whether or not that affects their votes. this year, we have cnn senior data reporter harry harry enten here with more harry, what do the exit polls say about that? yeah, >> it feels like the same old song, yet again. all right. was biden's 2020 win legitimate? we got exit polls from california, north carolina, and virginia you can see where the majority or plurality of republican voters are in all three of these contests, the lowest percentage that said no. but still a plurality in virginia, 50% 62% in north carolina 57% in california. of course, this is hogwash the 2020 biden's 2020 win was legitimate that election all neutral observers said that win was legitimate. yet the minority gets a clear minority and all these states 3,332.41% and here's the thing. how did that affect how folks voted on tuesday? all right. how they vote in the gop primary. this is the average across california, north carolina, and virginia. if you believe that the biden win was legitimate, you voted for nikki haley by a margin of 31 points, but that was the minority of republican voters believe that biden's win was illegitimate. look at trump's margin right here. my goodness, gracious. and 88 point win for trump on average. and this is a big reason why he one, he convinced a lot of republican voters over the last four years that biden's 2021 and his loss was illegitimate. and those voters went overwhelmingly for donald trump, left yesterday evening, by the way, probably maybe the main reason why he continued with that aspect of his campaign, if that was a winning campaign strategy, as it seems to have ben by so many points. no wonder what we'll continue with it. but what about the idea of if he were convicted? some are wondering whether nikki haley was hanging on and as hanging on because she might be an alternative. >> yeah. >> and going to happen, folks trump fit for the presidency if convicted of a crime, if he's convicted. all right, this is in some universe where we're saying right now we're saying if convicted in the future of a crime, look at this 68% in california 65% in north carolina, 55% in virginia. the no column in this particular case is the minority column, just 23% say no, he wouldn't be fit for the presidency if convicted of a crime, 31% in north carolina and 37% in virginia, which was the highest number. but again, yes, running away from this. and just like in the last when we were talking about biden's 2020 win legitimate. look here at how did this impact the vote? how they vote on the gop primary average across california, north carolina, and virginia. think trump is fit for the presidency if convicted, look at that margin my goodness, gracious, and 85 point margin over nikki haley. if you don't think that trump was fit for the presidency, if convicted, you voted for nikki haley. she won those voters by 47% points. but the problem is, again, this is the minority of voters. so trump was winning the voters who are the majority position. this is what we've seen an exit poll after exit poll after exit poll, folks think that a trump is fit for the presidency if convicted on the republican side, b, they think that biden's 2021 was illegitimate, and that has formed the baseline for this trump dominance that we've seen tonight. and although he hasn't clinched yet, he is well well, on his way. >> i've seen by next week, it's especially here because there has been a notion that his political strategy is also his legal when to delay. but if this is right, it doesn't matter if even there's a trial and a conviction that's exactly right. and in fact, i was looking at you mentioned earlier last hour that new york times sienna college poll essentially saying, do you believe that trump is guilty of a federal crime? the majority of voters said yes yes and the plurality of voters said they would still vote for him in the general election. this isn't just something about the primer. it's something about the general election as well. >> there's an ariana grande's on. yes. and that's this harry enten. thank you so much, abby >> yes. and we got a lot to talk about laura. i've handled is back with me, so if you are dealing with all of that, but let's talk about just the election denialism of it all there's a huge chunk of this country, of the electorate that does not believe joe biden legitimately won the last election. how does the biden campaign, how do democrats deal with that? >> why don't think that biden is getting many of those voters who think that the last election was not legitimate. and i think that he really needs to focus on not these crimes, not the denialism, but you know, what's next, what's the future, right? people argue. he doesn't get enough credit for the things that he's done. i think it almost doesn't matter as much as his vision does. nobody is going to the voting booth to say, thank you. they're doing it. to say what's next and what does this mean for my family? >> the other part of it, alice, is that a lot of these republican voters there, they don't mind if he gets convicted if he's a felon. more than half of them think he's fit for off. >> well they think that for the sheer reason because they look at all of these charges with the same brush. they look at each legal issues facing donald trump as weaponization of doj or weaponization of liberal justices in courts going after him because he is the main competitor to joe biden. they look at it that way and that's why they don't see if he's convicted of any of these crimes that prohibits him from being president because these were unjust legal issues going against him. but the reality is, republican voters are coming out and robes for donald trump because they're not talking about the legal issues, they're not talking about who is president and who is not present. they're not talking about trump's tone and tenor. they're talking about policies, they're talking about the things are concerned with is the economy, immigration, and national security. and they look at donald trump's policies as helping them. and joe biden's policies as hurting them. that's why donald trump is doing so well. and the cases he needs to make moving forward is how do i make this case to disaffected republican voters, independent voters, and those who may be disenchanted with biden's policies preston, do you think that that sticks that the trump that we saw tonight his tone was subdued. he was lying about a lot of things, but it was about issues. does that stick or do we get the version of trump that we often also see, which is sometimes about the grievances about his the cases against him about the witch-hunt against what? >> two things. one is, i do think that us including myself, living here on the east coast in this this acela corridor. when we see donald trump out there doing that, and it were so perplexed by it. but we're not living in those other people's shoes out there who, who are angry at washington, who are angry that their life isn't better, that perhaps the economy isn't really working for them are quite frankly, they're just really political and they don't like democrats and they think that they're socialise. i think that donald trump is gonna be donald trump. there's gonna be no surprises from donald trump. he is going to push forward and heal he's going to continue saying whatever the hell he wants to say. if he thinks it's going to help them get elected. and the reality is, we've got to accept that. and then how do we deal with that in the media and just call it for what it is i think we're setting ourselves a trap as we sit here on this panel today, because we're talking about particularly donald trump voters. there are two things i want to say. one is about joe biden in the first is about donald trump. we're talking about donald trump voters is if economic anxiety is the real driving motivator i think we've realized that that is not the case. that economic nx is not really what is driving those voters. that doesn't is not the true motivation. it's a cultural anxiety. it's a fear of being replaced. i mean, tucker carlson has done replacement theory episodes and segments. that's a very real thing. i mean, when i was listening to the other panel talk and they were talking about the existential threat that some voters believed that donald trump that joe biden poses to their way of life. it's the browning of america. i mean, let's have an honest conversation. there is, there is a wide swath of this country that is afraid of the browning of america. they are afraid of abby phillip, they're afraid of view. they are afraid of me there. they think that their job obs are being taken. they think that we are hyper sexual or were hyper criminalized and that fear is something that donald trump harps on. and we've couched it as economic anxiety when i don't think that's intellectually honest, i actually think that that's cultural anxiety. what joe biden has to do, however, is stopped talking about donald trump >> exactly the opposite of what it sounds like. they're about to do. >> well, i don't know what they're about. the du could they don't consult bakari sellers and it probably saying thank god, they don't talk to you about what they're about to do. >> she got to be on board but >> we voters know who donald trump is. this is already baked. the voters who are going to vote for donald trump, they know that he has these. he uses racism as political currency and they know that he sets things that may be massage anniston they know that he doesn't believe that this election was one rightfully, and that's wrong. they know these things and they still go vote for him. >> like >> joe biden has to craft a message or not even use him as a messenger. but the democratic party has to put messengers out there that tell the story, not just of what they've done but what the future would look like until those is that a lot of things there, but bill, do you agree with that? >> add to >> a lot of taking all away? six man brought him up the base. >> but on the point about, should joe biden talk less about donald trump, you agree? >> well, look, election, elections are choices. and i think that he should talk about donald trump in laying out what the choices in the election. but a completely agree that this election has to be about the future. what's your vision for, how you're going to have an impact on people's lives like that's the thing that's going to speak to the voters who are in the middle, who we have a shot at, the ones who we culturally have no shot at. and i agree with what you're saying >> yeah. >> don't fight for those voters, but the voters who were in the middle of the nikki haley voters, we have to have that future message in order to get that. >> and i agree with that also. last thing is just the legal troubles are flying over people's heads because civil cases, there's two of them charges, 91 for jurisdictions. they don't know any of that. none of them went to school for loss and we could all barely keep track exactly right there's so many of them and there's polling data that shows that even in arizona, so when i was telling laura coats this recently that there was a poll taken in the state and the majority of folks know about 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you for vw say you're going to vote for trump in november 4 of you say you're going vote for biden three of you are still supporting haley. first thing want to ask you trump supporters are any of you is there any possibility that you could switch to biden raise your hand? okay. not necessarily surprised of the biden supporters. any of you have any possibility of switching to trump no one's raising their hand and i will note that for years ago the biden supporters here voted for biden and trump's supporters voted for trump. so nothing's really changed in that much. the three of you, 123 also you like nikki haley doesn't look like she's gonna be there in november what are the three of you going to do? what are you going to do when it comes to november >> not to waste to sway their vote. i would vote for trump. >> what about you? >> yeah, i as much as i appreciate some of the good things that president trump did, i just can't my conscious vote for him. he's a second term republican? yeah, i think a second term could be very dangerous for what would you vote for >> i >> think i'd have to do a write in. this has really the lesser of two really bad choices. >> who would you write in now? >> probably nikki haley. okay. what about you >> yeah, it's tough. again, i'd love if we had multiple republicans in there, like using final five voting, but i would love to vote for nikki haley, but i'll tell you trump could win my vote if he would change some core things, if he concedes the 2020 election, right? we've got to live in reality if he just stops running his mouth a little bit and just be nice if he commits to working together because the big problems that we have to solve an american need, bipartisan support. >> a question i want to ask you is for you biden supporters who were biden supporter. that's correct. >> tell me one thing you like about biden the most one thing you disliked the most about trump. and remember this is a family show >> the thing i liked the most about biden as the fact that he's worked in a bipartisan way. he has not been perfect and has not he often does toe the line with the democrats overall, but i think that he he does work with the other side at times, trump for trump, i think i disliked the most about him is the fact that he's just so negative. i just i can't take the negativity. i don't think i think it's actually un-american because like americans are historical wait for my travels around the world, known for being positive and optimistic, but he represents the opposite. i think it's a disgrace. >> let's cool, you're traveling around the world to tell you that much, let me ask you, you're a trump supporter. what do you like most about donald trump least about joe biden? >> i don't i like most they're just really tough about trauma. i have i have problems with balsam >> well, what do you like about trump? >> you're gonna vote for? >> i like his past record. >> as president, as president. his past what and what he accomplished, you mean? >> yes. >> but not on what he says a lot when he tweets about no, i don't like some of the things he said. what do you dislike about about joe biden? >> joe biden? >> he just seems very weak to me. >> okay >> one more thing i want to ask all of you. are you all going to be voting in the primary april it may not mean a lot. but are you all going to open a general election that may mean an awful lot of the state of wisconsin. laura, back to you. >> i'm really fascinated by that conversation. gary tuchman in milwaukee. thank you so much. just pick up on the general election there. donald trump is strapped for cash you don't believe me? well, just look at the numbers. biden's campaign has about 56 million bucks on hand compared to trump's $30.5 million. and it just as bad for the rnc with only eight million on hand compared the dnc's whopping 24.1 million it's what's trump going to do about it? well, he spent the weekend hosting donors at mar-a-lago, but that's not all a source telling cnn. trump also met with wait for it. elon musk in recent days. now, we don't know if musk is planning on donating to trump, but we do know that trump is deeply concerned about his finances and elon musk. well according to forbes, he's currently the second richest man in the world with a net worth of a little over 198 billion. >> will he give trump some of his cash? we'll have to wait and see, but i'm back now with my panel. i won't ask for a show of hands of who'd like part of that cash will leave allows a judge you all but the numbers here, i mean, matt, these aren't numbers to sneeze that for the average person. but if in campaign money, it's problematic, it is. >> now, look, you go back to 2016. donald trump showed you don't need to have the most money, you just need to have enough money. he certainly a one man news machine, right? he is going to get attention wherever he goes. and you really need less money sometimes for advertising for for president than you do even sometimes for us senate, because there's just so much earned media around it. but here's where it's going to be challenging for him or potentially an opportunity for him. i mean, i just saw a lot of polling that was done recently and number of states, not just the traditional battleground states where trump is winning right now, but a lot of other states like virginia, minnesota, colorado states that were not all talking about every single day right now where he is very competitive. he's gonna need the money to make to actually press the advantage in those states the same way, present biden is likely going to need that money to defend. it reminds me a little bit of back in 2016 when donald trump didn't have the resources go after michigan. so he had to fight a michigan every single day generate headlines. there are so many states. the playing field can be so big because you do have two unpopular candidates right now, a lot of potential movement in the electorate because of that, that you're going to need to fight the cash in order to compete in those states. >> yeah. i mean, it'll be interesting to see also to that point. i mean, nikki haley is sitting on a pile of cash although she does not have the delegates to go the distance, and although she does not have the support to go the distance, she still has money and money talks and it'll be interesting to see what she decided to do with that when she gets out because i think we can all agree she's going to be getting now at some point >> does she >> use that money for down-ballot races to try to bolster her own support within the republican party for with some vision of a party without donald trump or you mean like 2028 or beyond? >> i know who can say, but i will say as much as we talk about polling. i think the cash race is important because couple of things about the biden numbers. i mean, they've had i had great success in the last couple of months with grassroots voters grassroots donations, donations to hundred dollars and under part of what that tells you is they are growing support. we're not seeing that with donald trump. and again, when we're having that grassroots support growing put putting your money where your mouth is. a real sign of candidate strength. and i actually had saw a higher number of cash on hand, than what we reported. but also, they've got 97% of what they've gotten is from those donors donating 2 that's a big deal. yeah. me look, the campaign in his acutely aware of some of their financials they're trying to run a more leaner campaign >> susie weiss >> was reported in a recent article is saying she's looking at everything including what type of uber's people are booking a during an in-between campaign stops to your point in 2016 to kept pain was very an. i was with dr.ry cash in tents around me. you can raise a lot of money. i think it's one of the reasons why you're going to see trump using a lot of the legal issues as he's goes to court, a crisscross and across the country as a campaign stop really trying to use earned media as much as possible to offset some of the deficiencies with cash. but i think quickly you're also thinking about elon musk in some of the other billionaires who are backing or may support of the former president. i would probably say not given to the campaign directly, but putting that money into a super pac makes more sense in terms of being able to aid the former president and has battled for the white house. >> but the elephant in the room is that outside of donald trump's cash problems they're currently gearing up for the rnc to pay for his legal bills, right. like the currently gearing up for large hump to take over the rnc this weekend in houston to have a republican party that's very formally arguing that they should be spending money not only on his campaign, but to just keep him out of jail so this is a party that has coalesced around him to such a degree that they are forgoing the cash problems that we are talking about to kinda be personally invested in donald trump. and so i think that's an important kind of context to know the degree to which the party has really rallied around him, but also just shows it's the scope of the legal cash problems he has going forward because not only is this someone who is going to be squeezed for the point of winning and virginia are the point of winning in north carolina or the point of winning. and all these places, this is someone who's going to be he's going to have to bleep bleep, bibi bleeding money to just stay free. this is the larger i'm text of this year. is that so much of this looms over trump in this campaign that we cannot separate the political from the legal. yes, the legal can race and money, but it is largely losing hold. i >> take a step back though, because i think the majority of americans have not run or been on campaigns. and so they may ask themselves with these astronomical figures why would one need all of that money, particularly if you aren't donald trump, right? who is in the news significantly, a lot of the times and has the main recognition prior to being the president, certainly as the president from resy united states, why would him having less money than say the incumbent or the dnc? would that really make a difference of a campaign strategy? >> two big things. number one, if i'm a candidate on the republican line and i see the rnc is not going to help me. so you better hope if you're a senate candidate that the nrsc has the dollars to help you because part of what it means is the party has less money available to help other candidates and to it, it's funds that go to building a grassroots operation. you got to pay people out in the field, right? who are contacting voters every day. we were talking about earned media. that's all fine and good. but campaigns are not won by big earned media campaigns are won on the margins. it is literally blind okay, by block, it is micro-targeting of voters. and that takes money and that takes time. and that's why it starts to really add up. if you don't have the resources, that's the real reason the trump campaign's excited to get through potentially next tuesday or the week after to become the presumptive nominee. it's so they can store coordinating those field effort the republican national committee, they can start having more oversight into the amount of staff that they're putting into pennsylvania and north carolina and wisconsin, they can start getting access to more of that data than they were able to before this while you have chris lacivita, who's going to likely move over and become the chief operating officer of the rnc clearly close with former president trump. i will just chris lacivita was asked the question about whether the rnc would be paying the legal bills. he did say no. and so that was a large trump's right? this was a person is asked that i want to say about four days ago and he said, don't be utilized for it. let's take them as word >> we'll keep an eye out, but let's take >> that's just me not the end of the day. >> those are precious. their larger resources. you can write bigger checks. the republican national committee, then you can trump for president they're so precious, hard dollar resources, they're not a super pac. there are unlimited checks, there are caps at that, and those dollars have to go into the key swing states to ensure that their turnout every single last voter, not just for donald trump, but also down >> the nrcc, an nrsc are going to be fine. they both have their own separate political action committees raising a lot of money for them. they're going gonna be okay, i don't think they're dependent upon the rnc necessarily, but i do think there should be a concern about the ability to build a robust on the ground operation, particularly when the biden campaign, biden-leaning superpacs, the dnc will have a substantial amount of money to probably hire 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harry, how did jason palmer pull off this major upset or minor upset? however, you look at what i mean, look, i call it a major upset. you look at the board, you look at the map, you got joe biden blew all over the place except right down here it's a dots. and if we click on them, you'll see we got the american territories can't vote in a general election, but can invoke backbone of primary. and we go right there green american samoa. i want you to look at the vote tally here. 51 to 40. not very much. that's 11 ahead, but hey, that will work now here's the thing that's so interesting to me about american samoa. abby, if you go back four years ago and you go to 2020, you'll see that michael bloomberg also won in american samoa with about 50% of the vote. of course, there is one big difference between 2020 when mike bloomberg want it and 2024 when jason palmer run it. and that is that mike bloomberg spent hundreds of millions of dollars in his campaign, jason palmer, to be perfectly frank with you, even though i love politics, i had never heard of him and heard of him until tonight. so jason palmer, able to beat joe biden in america? can somehow maybe he went to the voters one by one, because given how few votes there, you could do it that way. >> i look all it takes is like a quick little $2,000 flight and you can win a primary that seems like a good return on investment to me, harry enten. thank you. >> laura. >> well, you know, palmer's biography holds him up as a political outsider. he called himself an education and tech entrepreneur who is previously worked at the bill and melinda gates foundation. and you know what, he joins me now? oh, it's so nice to meet you, mr. palmer. congratulations on your victory. are you surprised about tonight's when i have to admit i am surprised that we won in american samoa, but to what was said just a few minutes ago, i didn't actually fly to american samoa i actually did multiple virtual town halls and spoke with nationals there because you may not know, but people in american samoa are not necessarily automatically american citizens. they are american nationals. i spoke to them about their needs for health for education, for real action on climate change. and i do think that it was my team did a fantastic job, miracle and her team, we heard local people on the ground to do grassroots effort. and it really paid off. >> i mean, it certainly did. and you heard the conversations that bloomberg spent hundreds of millions dollars. it sounds like you strategically maybe zoomed in in this instance. why? did you focus on this particular area and why have people not? and what really, what's your response? so what's going to oftentimes be maybe a punchline about not having heard it before. now yeah well, first of all, it's very hard to get on the national radar when you're a lesser known candidate. but in my particular industry in education technology, i'm very well-known. and it actually, my views on youtube more than 1 million people have viewed my campaign videos on youtube. i've been covered by bbc news politico, really proud to be here on cnn. but as a new candidate, it's actually very difficult to break through. i didn't actually focus on american samoa. i actually was focused on colorado, vermont minnesota, and american samoa as you know, there were many election objections tonight, and we are focused on multiple states. this happened to be the one where i'm just proud to say my local team did a fantastic job and i think our message really resonated about focusing on education, healthcare, and climate change. >> well, i'm not taking anything away from you. i mean, i did not give a delegate tonight and many americans who might be wondering mean what i'm wondering more about your campaign are looking at the at least worked in american samoa, but let me ask you about the criticism that you have given to frankly, both sides as to why reasons you wanted to throw your hat in the ring president biden is well on his way to winning the democratic nomination. you have been essentially the spoiler for him and having a sweep for super tuesday. so what do you want to say to him? and also former president trump tonight about the rest of this campaign season yeah. >> well, the number one thing is that the most important thing that we can do as democrats is defeat donald trump at the polls this november part of why entered the race was to make sure that biden campaigns vigorously. i've been out on the campaign trail in new hampshire and nevada colorado, et cetera. >> and the republicans are out in full force. if we don't campaign equally vigorously, we're going to lose in november when people say we're going to be sleepwalking into a trump election. it's for real. so i'm running to energize young voters and also center left, center right people with a positive vision of what we can do in the next for years, if joe biden's just talking about donald trump and he's just talking about foreign policy and foreign wars. that's not going to win in november, you got to have a clear, positive agenda. we have 25 positions on our website around conscious capitalism, the new cholera economy modernizing our government. i'm a technology the entrepreneur, and i think it's very important that we bring advanced technologies to government so that it treats its citizens more like premier customers. and i do think that message is resonating across the country. so what i would recommend to president biden is, first of all, i honor you for your 50 years of tremendous service to our country. i do think it's time to pass the torch to the next generation of americans, whether that be me, whether that be governors like gretchen whitmer, jared polis, the governor of california, gavin newsome there's many younger people who are ready to take that torch, who are great leaders in our party, and make sure that donald all trump doesn't win this november. i think that joe biden can be like george washington, be that transitional figure, pass it to the next generation. and that would be the best thing he could do. retire as a great american statesman, i heard the word running as well. are you continuing to run in your campaign even after tonight? >> absolutely. absolutely. slowly. in fact, on focus next on arizona. i'm close to releasing a 12 page white paper on how we can finally solve our immigration problem, both at the border and just reforming our immigration system overall. we need to move to more talent based immigration system, more like canada or australia we want the world's best and brightest to come to america. and we need a dramatic surge in border judges, not just ordered agents, but actually judges who can adjudicate people's claims quickly and determine whether they're valid asylum claims or whether they need to be guest workers, or whether they need to be sent home. and this doesn't need to be a political football that gets passed back and forth a few the two parts parties, i look forward to going to the border, campaigning vigorously and arizona and showing the american people, we can have a path forward on immigration >> jason palmer can solve immigration in 12 pages. you might need some more delegates. i'll tell you that right now. thank you so much for joining us this evening. >> hey, thank you for having me. i really appreciate it. >> well, next we go down ballot and look how what happened tonight may in fact shape the balance of power in and after november. there's more cnn special coverage ahead >> this source with kaitlan collins tomorrow at nine eyes feeling dry tired, stressed, get a boost of moisture with bio true hydration, boost eye drops for comfort throughout the day. they're preservative free, gentle made but naturally inspired ingredients. stay bio true to your eyes. >> scout is protected by sim parick, a trio, and he's in it to win it some parick a trio. he's done first, chu would triple protection >> we intestinal 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girlfriend's house. okay california. keep in mind. here's the key thing about the senate primary and the rules in california everybody, regardless of party affiliation, is on the same bound. the primary and the two top vote getters advance to the general election. and as you said, we have projected steve garvey, the republican and adam schiff, a democrat, very anti-trump. adam schiff democrat, to advance to the general election. this is great news for adam schiff because if you know anything about california, it's a very blue state. he did not want katie porter to advance the general election, and he didn't want barbara lee to advance that democrat to advance a general election either back there were some ads that were spent on steve garvey on behalf of adam schiff, that kind of pump garvey up because he wanted to eliminate porter. and if you just look here, you can see, you know, you go down to los angeles, that's where adam schiff this from easily winning their 42% of the vote, you go down to orange county, katie porter from their, even their adam schiff leading adam schiff leading katie porter. so the fact is a very good night for adam schiff, very significant and let's go to with carolina, my mom's home state. tommy was going on there. yeah. let's go out to let's go to the tar heel state. we're going to all the way across the country. all right governor's race. there. the incumbent governor is democratic governor is term limited. mark robinson has won the republican nomination. democrats are gonna really try and paint him extremist based on his view there's an abortion lbgtq rights, as well as some quotes that he has been cited, perhaps downplaying atrocities during the holocaust. democrats are very eager to run against mark robinson, who cuts a fig are somewhat similar to donald trump, the person who will be facing him is josh stein, the democratic candidate, much more moderate candidate. this is going to be very interesting in a state that of course donald trump won in both 2,016.20, 20 >> really fascinating ahead. thank you so much for progressing on that as well. abby. >> and on that very note, as harry mentioned, cnn has projected that north carolina race at the current lieutenant governor, mark robinson will win the republican nomination for governor. that i'm anderson was endorsed by donald trump, who called him, quote, martin luther king, on steroids. stunning, but also that's a real thing that happened. and robinson is a fierce supporter of abortion bans and gun rights. he has a history of statements like calling school shooting victims and survivors, media, prosti-tots, and saying this about lgbtq people i'm saying this now, and i've been saying it and i'm going care who don't have no place to the school there's no reason anybody anywhere in america telling about transgenderism, homosexuality, any of that field. and yes halted phil. if you don't like it that i called it filled come see me and i'll explain it to robinson's gop opponent, his republican opponent, bill graham. this is what he says. he puts a conservative future at risk for everyone from the courthouse to the white house. republicans pretty concerned about this. i have to just say, i mean, the idea of comparing that kind of hatefulness to martin luther king junior is just really it's, it's beyond the pale. it's it's beyond the pale or donald car for donald trump, they're both black and so that is about where he got that, that that caricature from or similarity from. but mark robinson is a holocaust denier. he said the gays are the end of the civilization we've talked about him calling school, school shooting victims, prostitots. he says shootings are karma for abortion, although he actually had when in an earlier part of his life or pay for one and earlier part of his life. and he called the civil rights movement a communist plot. what just happened tonight in north carolina is it changed the map a little bit for democrats nationwide? i believe that democrats are going to spend a lot more money in a place like north carolina where you had a fat, a fabulous candidate and josh stein, who's the attorney general who has been doing those things in the african-american community and who is literally jewish running against the antisemite. and it just puts north carolina squarely in the map. in fact, joe biden we'll be able to just kind of flow with the wings of josh stein. and i think you're going to see a lot of those dollars that we otherwise would spend in a place like georgia being spent in a place like north carolina, but it expands the amount you think that georgia may be slipped back a little bit in terms of the priorities and north carolina movie i think i think of all of the sinc of all of the swing states. georgia is probably at the bottom or gives republicans the best chance to flip that swing-state. i think north carolina now becomes a state that is right there on the playing field with georgia and you just going to have to, you know, there's better than somebody has to sit in a room and figure out where the dollars are spent in if you're looking at georgia, north carolina with mark robinson on the top of the ticket. i mean, he is an abomination. he's anti-semite. he is somebody that is beneath, beneath the office. i think democrats have a unique chance to win there. and actually have a statewide candidate kind of carry the mantle i think that's right. and north carolina if you look at historical trend here, people are not ticket splitters like they used to be 1988, year 20 senators who are elected who are in the opposite party of the presidential candidate who won their state in 2016, there were zero 2020, there's one just susan collins. i think that in north carolina the problem for trump is that you've got this insane candidate at the top of the ticket along with them, and it's just going to be such a drag. and i think it does put north carolina in the map and a very serious way. but >> you also have to think about and to bakari's point, the democrats we're going to now look at where, where did these primaries land and where are the resources best spent to get the most bang for their buck as they head into the general election. and i can see where they would look at north carolina as a place to do that. you also have to remember, we're going to see in the next week or two, a major shift of the rnc out with ronna mcdaniels in with a wildly from north carolina in with donald trump's daughter-in-law, in with his campaign adviser, chris lacivita, the rnc is going to look at places like north carolina candidates that are very in support of trump, that trump's support rnc is going to also put money in races that they might have done in the past. but someone like robinson, who has been so supportive of trump is going to get a lot of what do you think about that? is that going to be a good thing because they can clean house and make those different decisions, but those could actually also be the wrong decision. >> well, look, i'm just saying what i expect to see happen based on the way donald trump now has control of the party. and we have all seen how donald trump candidates have done in many of these races. let's look at herschel walker. let's look at dr. oz. let's look at kari lake >> they haven't been >> winning in the general election. they've been good in the primary, but not so much in the general election. i think it's a risky move, but i think it is inevitable that that's gonna be the new face of the rnc. and that's what it's going to be. >> i just want to raise one things on it's bit of a separate topic, but we're now into wednesday. it's technically wednesday on the east coast nikki haley is going to face some real decisions and cnn is reporting tonight that she called at least one of her donors that said she's not dropping out tonight, but that they're going to be reevaluating, coming up with whatever the next steps are today. and then the days to come. what are the next steps here? how can she either gracefully exit this race or does she try to keep it going and for what? >> she's not going to keep it going she should hearken, should keep it going there for watching tonight. what republican primary voters, again, math, going back to this whole overarching theme of men she doesn't have an honor side. she already had the koch brothers pull out of her campaign and they said, hey, at a girl, we still support you, but you're not going to paycheck so there was one big donor. if another donor drops the money is not going to be there. where's the investment going to be made from the haley campaign? >> i don't see it. margaret well, look, you shiri's $28 million in january and february a little bit less than february than she did in january. the question is, how much money does she have? and once she's out, she's gone like she is i can't see her running in four more years. i don't see the republican know. >> a lot of people think that that's actually what this is all about. she wants to set herself. >> no doubt that this is all about thinking that donald trump may trip and that she can step right? and but even if something does happen to donald trump, whether it's through the courts are whatever happens, i still don't see the republican party embracing nikki haley as not the maga voters. if you saw that social media clip of that north carolina vote and what he said though, so disgusting about nikki haley as a female, and how he would never vote for somebody. you can go look up that clip if you want to, but that's the kind of voter that to mark's point, nikki haley has a message to nikki haley. >> nikki haley doesn't have a >> base of support. everybody that's supporting nikki haley is doing it because she's not donald trump. she's more of a place holder. i do think she's ambitious enough to run in four years, but i will tell you this. i know nikki haley very well and for anybody who thinks that nikki haley is not going to endorse donald trump, they just have another thing coming. she is going to sit on, look in somebody's camera and say that he is the greatest thing since sliced bread i worked for him and in two or three months, she's going to endorse a mark my words on that. >> all right, guys, we've got to call it a night. oh, with you all. here we go into our right back. thank you all for joining us tonight. thank you. i'd home for joining us. i'm abby phillip in washington sinton and ai laura coates, new york time to go and wrap my hair. cnn's covered super tuesday cosine. good night, everyone >> president biden's last state of the union before the 2024 election with challenges at home and abroad can he make the case for four more years in the white house? join cnn for special live coverage of the state of the union address thursday at eight on cnn. >> this is football, is basically tennis for babies, but for adults, it should be called wiffle tennis on them like a pr we had nothing to worry about 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