♪ we'd like to see the pause extended because what it has enabled, first and foremost, is hostages being released. it as enabled us to surge humanitarian assistance into the people of gaza who so desperately need it. >> that was secretary of state antony blinken earlier this morning. he is getting ready to head to israel right now. the final hours of the truce between israel and hamas are ticking away and intense negotiations are underway to extend that truce. hamas is set to release more hostages today after handing over another group of women and children yesterday. and yesterday in gaza we saw gunmen with rifles slung over their shoulders hand over an 84-year-old woman in a wheelchair as a crowd cheered and recorded with their cellphones. also release a 17-year-old girl clutchinger dog in her arms. >> the family of the youngest israeli hostage telling cnn they have been notified the baby, the 4-year-old brother will not be among the hostages freed today. this is the latest breakdown of the hostages who are believed to till be in gaza. this morning israeli officials telling cnn they believe there is still a total of 161 people being held captive and a majority are men. four are children under the age of 18. >> and there are ten elderly hostages who are age 75 and older. a large majority of these hostages are israeli, including some dual nationals. the white house says nine americans are believed to be held in gaza. the u.s. remains two american women could be released today. the only american released is 4-year-old so far is abigail idan. kaitlan, the negotiations there continuing right now. do we have any update on whether there could be an extension here? >> reporter: we don't. we are still waiting to see what they decide. everyone seems to have coclosed around the idea there will abextension but it's not certain until they have a formal agreement. so far no word of that. part of that i think is because israel said they wanted to make sure they got their day six, which is today as we are hours away from this expiring before they agreed to an extension to see how tonight goes because it has been day by day. the question now is what happens on day search. is there going to be a continuation in the pause and how long could that go on. i heard from israeli officials they believe when it comes to women and children there are enough being held that this part of the agreement could go on several more days. but we know from our sources that there was a meeting in doha yesterday, including the cia director, about what the next deal could look like. israel said we are not ready to come to an agreement until we finish this part of the agreement for women and children which of course we know has not been fulfilled he yet. what they are talking about and what the cia was pushing for was broadening the catning the category to include elderly men, idf soldiers. it is the consensus here that idf soldiers would be a higher price than what they have had to do for women and children, whether that's a question of how many more palestinian prisoners they have to release in order to get that. those are still outstanding issues that we don't have the firm details on. of course, all of this, all these negotiations, every single turn that they take, it is of grave importance to the families here waiting for word on what is going to happen to their loved ones. and we have heard from a family, yeah, they told me the 10-year-old and 4-year-old including their parents are not on the list of hostages to be released today on day six. and just to speak to the anguish these families are feeling every day when they get that call it's not going be their loved ones who are on the list, listen to a cousin of the family in this interview. incredibly emotional interview he had with me yesterday. >> 53 days they are going through this nightmare. it doesn't make any sense. it doesn't make any sense that anyone can let this keep going, that a baby and 4 years old. there is a mother. they shouldn't be kept like this. it's inhumane. it's so scary. we can't let it go on. think about it. if this was your child, would you want to wait, them to be in terrorist hand, in captivity? not seeing them for 53 days is just -- is so hard. like, are we the enemies of hamas, of anyone? should these children be used as bargaining chips? no. they shouldn't. the this is the single answer. they shouldn't be used as bargaining chips for nany political or religious or any reason. there is no justification for doing things like this. we just want them back really. >> reporter: you can hear the pain in his voice as he is talking and his concern for a 10-month-old kfir who is still on baby formula. he was not even eating solid foods when he was kidnapped. they are worried he could be starve to death. i want to read this statement. he said that they officially know they will not be a part of this release on day six today. quote, we want to make sure that everyone understand they are in dire conditions and danger to develop irreversible damage in this state. we demand the red cross fight for the right to access, provide emergency health support and report that their status. we want to send a message to president biden. are please, speak with us and help save their lives. now, these are typically two children certainly, we also know their mother is being held, that would be a part of this group that is supposed to be being able to be released. the idf says that hamas said that they don't have them in their control, they are in control of another group in gaza. obviously, that is just -- that speaks to how complicated all of this is, phil and erica. >> the scale of the complexity with the different variables. yet, kaitlan, to your interview, the personal matters as we talk about the diplomacy and steps. joining us to discuss, cnn senior global affairs analyst and host of the very serious podcast josh. i want to start with the interview which was heart-wrenching to watch, that kaitlan just showed. how could had there not be a continuation, an extension of the ongoing truce, assuming everything goes according to plan today? >> the israeli government's position is that the onus is on hamas. and it's in hamas' interest now to keep this pause going because, of course, they can regroup. hamas' perspective is, you know, we are trying to find these hostages, so that's what we are using this time for. that's not how israel is interpreting this. of course, these are their residents. these are their citizens. they want them home as well. so hamas saying one thing. i think the mossad chief is trying to push in qatar that hamas does know how to get in touch with islamic jihad or whatever groups are holding these children and they are not pushing enough to get their release sooner because they think this is leverage for them. of course, it's inhuh main when you are thinking about an 11-month-old. what does he have anything to do with this? you see the condition some of th these other hostages have come home. how do you take care of a 10 or 11-month-old in tunnels for days? >> the family saying we worry they are using the children as a trophy in this moment. the fact that we are hearing from the family and they are pleading directly with president biden, wanting to see more from the biden administration, phil had reporting on this, but behind the scenes there they are working really hard specifically on american hostages. how much does that push come from the administration specificallically in a case like this? >> i think a big push. biden has been steadfast in the work to get the hostages back. we are seeing the political pressure is on the more aid front. when we think about the generational divide, the cnn polling that came out recently that showed a 60 point split between democrats under 35 and their support of biden in terms of giving aid to israel rather than democrats who are over 75. you see that bigger split when it comes to foreign aid packages and the push for a ceasefire but there is no split when it comes to hostage release. you see a kind of universal call for that and the administration responding and saying that's where they are showing the leadership. when we think about the political nature of this, to your point, phil, secondary to the personal, this is where biden is going to try to point to his experience as a plus, you know. we see the downside of age and kind of the political back and forth, but this is place he uniquely suited to lean on that leadership and i think the hostages is going to be a place we see the administration do that. >> to that point, josh, part of that experience is keeping a lot of these discussions behind closed doors, quiet. more than a dozen calls with prime minister netanyahu, the emir of qatar, president al-sisi in egypt. to some agree i feel like they feel they are not getting credit for the fact they are in the middle of a truce, there have been hostage releases and a urge is of humanitarian aid. do you think that's fair? are there other things they auto should be doing here? >> it's fair to give them credit for it. the president and the administration didn't create this situation. they feel that over all this ext external event happened and there is very little they can do about that. obviously, it's true that the hostage releases are more favorable story than anything we have seen for several weeks going at this point. as you note the nature of this stuff it has to be behind closed doors. it's never completely clear from the outside exactly who drove whatever diplomatic outcome we got. so i think it's hard to prove the extent to which the u.s. was a prime mover behind these, you know, multiparty conversations. >> josh, stay with us. much more it discuss in just a moment. international mediators pushing for a longer break in the fighting as the truce enters the final day in the war between israel and hamas. the former minister of qatar, they are going to join us next. a u.s. military osprey plane crashing off the coast of japan. what japan's coast guard is saying about the crash, that's next. as the truce here in gaza and between israel and hamas enters the final day, international mediators are now pushing for an even longer break in the fighting. a source tells cnn that israel, the u.s., qatar and egypt are working towards extending the pause to get more hostages out of gaza. the expectation is that if everything goes well today, hamas could produce an additional list of hostages for tomorrow and have the pause potentially extended at least another 24 hours. for someone who knows what could be going on, joining us now is the spokesperson for the foreign minister of qatar, which played a central role in mediating these negotiations. given this truce is set to expire in less than 24 hours -- [ inaudible ] thank you for being here. do you believe that it will be extended, and for how long? >> good morning. thank you for having me. of course, right now in the middle of these negotiations as you might imagine. our teams on the ground whether they be in tel aviv or here in the operations working with all sides to get all the information in real time while at the same time working for today, which is as you report, you mentioned, the last day of the extension of the truce. we are hopeful within a couple of hours we will have the release of the final batch. but also we will be able to announce an extension. we are working on an extension that would be guaranteed by the same provision that guaranteed to today, which we have to include at least ten hostages coming out and 30 prisoners from the israeli prisons and we are very -- we are very optimistic we would have good news to share today. >> okay. so you do expect that an extension with the same parameters in place right now will be announced once this sixth group of hostages has been released. is that right? >> we are optimistic we will be able to make that announcement during the day. obviously, these are ongoing negotiations. the negotiators are working right now. we hope within a couple of hours we will have more news on that. >> reporter: okay. and for the rest of the hostages that are still being held, has hamas been able to provide an update on theip status and loca? do they know where all of the hostages who are still in gaza are right now? >> kaitlan, the way it works is every day we get the list from both sides. so we can go beyond that list when it comes to confirming information. we have people on the ground. we get the information on the hostages from hamas day by day according to the lists between both sides. so we are quite sure right now that there is very positive news regarding the availability of the hinostages that can be released the next couple days. >> well, i ask because jake sullivan, who is, as you know, president biden's national security advisor, said that they believed on day pure they were going to get an update on the resignations of the hostages, how they are doing doing from hamas. we have yet to see that. has hamas given any kind of update? if not, why have to they not given the update that the u.s. was clearly expecting it to happen? >> as you might imagine, it's an ongoing negotiation right now. i can't comment on the details of what is happening in the negotiating room at the moment. but it is happening in a positive and environment and filled us with hope that we will be able to announce something positive by the end of the day. >> but if part of the agreement already that was yeeagreed to l week, the red cross could check on the hostages, why has hamas not let them into to full till that part of the agreement they are a party to? >> operation it is in doha is called -- between the red cross and both parties of the conflict, our our negotiators have been working around the clock to make sure that the exchanges happen in a positive environment. we are talking about the war zone as all of you have seen and shown clearly. a war zone with complications on the ground, while i can't comment on the actual agreements, language and the commitments that we are getting into that language, i can tell you that the agreement stands and that it is going in a positive environment and that is what led to the extension and, hopefully, to another extension. >> okay. well, i think, i mean, it is part of the agreement and i think there are major questions from the families whose loved ones that haven't gotten ohy the red cross hasn't been allowed in yet. i didn't hear an answer there. i want to ask you because there were multiple officials in doha yesterday talking about what the future of this agreement could look like. are you negotiating a deal that would include the negotiations for the release of men and even potentially idf soldiers as the next option here? >> as you might heard before, we have prioritized negotiations to start with those most at risk within the hostages starting with the children and then moving towards soldiers in captivity at the moment. we are talking to both sides now in parallel discussions regarding focusing on c compartmentalizing this negotiation and getting those who are most at risk out first and negotiations regarding women and children take paramount now position within the discussion but, obviously, we are moving towards civilian men being released and then the longer discussions of the soldiers. i think that's also a parallel line of discussion of thinking how we can reach a sustainable truce to have longer discussions over -- >> okay. so there are those discussions underway. have there been talks about a longer term ceasefire that would end the conflict all together, perhaps if hamas were to release all of the hostages? >> that could lead to a ceasefire within a longer and longer negotiation over the holistic issue not only the hostages but the situation as a whole. i can confirm now that we have any development on that front, but i can tell you it's an on going discussion and as we speak right now or negotiators are working on that. >> okay. so it's still underway. no agreement yet. last question on what we are expecting to see today. do you believe that americans -- you have seen the list. are merns onamericans on this l who is getting released today? >> sorry, i can't comment on the details of this information. the paramount importance is on the safety and security of the hostages and successful release that will take place today and the further negotiations, i can't comment on the nice of the individuals today. i can confirm the release will happen in a couple of hours and that the things on the ground are supposed to happen are happening and we are hopeful that we are going to have a good announcement about the hostages being released in the next couple of hours. >> reporter: i understand you can't name names, but can you say if there are americans on the list? >> i scant comment on that right now for the safety of the hostages and the success of the exchange today. >> reporter: dr. al-ansari thank you for your time. a crucial role qatari is playing in these talks. phil, erica, you heard him. they have been central to all of the discussions happening yesterday, today he says that they believe that they are hopeful that once we get through the release of the six set of hostages set to happen in just a few hours from now they will be potentially be able to announce an extension to the temporary truce. he said it will have the same parameters, women and children, but says there are ongoing discussions about potentially including men in that going forward. we will see, of course, once they get through the women and children, which israel made clear they want to see those hostages released first before they agree to another potential extension here. >> so, obviously. >> notable optimism about a potential extension. no question. kaitlan. thank you. mark cuban selling his dallas mavericks? we will look at that record deal. the season 2 premier of anderso anderson cooper's all there is podcast.t. what we e can expectct, and tha includudes the preresident. bold. daring. expressive. contra costa college allows me to be whoever and whatever i want to be, providing the stage, the canvas, the tools to use my voice and write my story. find your passion and create your future at contra costa college. start today at contracosta.edu "five things" brought to you by carvana. carvana. they'll drive you happy. welcome back. five things to know for this wednesday. breaking overnight, at least bun person killed after a u.s. military osprey aircraft carrying six people crashed off the coast of japan. an extended truce between israel in the sixth day. talks are underway to extend the truce. mark cuban reportedly selling the majority stake of his dallas mavericks for a whopping $3.5 billion. he will, however, remain in cloel of the team's operations. a vote to expel george santos from congress delayed to thursday. santos said he expected the vote to pass but won't resign. a private family funeral will be held today for former first lady rosalynn carter. her son chip said she was the best woman he ever met. well, the latest season of all there is, anderson cooper's podcast, tackles grief. it is a subject that is deeply personal to him. in the first season he opened up about losing his mom, dad, brother and the impact that had on him. speaking with comedians, poets, filmmakers and musicians about how they have dealt with the loss of their loved ones. in the second season, out now, going to dig deeper including conversations with a number of different guests, among them president biden and anderson's here with that this morning. this is -- it is such a beautiful podcast. i would say to a person, everyone i know who listened to it, have been so touched and it inspired them so much to talk about grief. >> it's something we don't talk much about. i certainly haven't talked about it much in my life. but the one thing i do know about it and i don't know much about it is not talking about it makes it worse and just adds to the loneliness. i started a podcast about grief while going through boxes of things that belonged to my mom, dad, brother, all whom have died. this idea of not talking about grief, which has sort of been my strategy most my life, it's hard and it's painful to talk about it, but not talking about it adds to the loneliness of it. certainly has for me. so the podcast is called "all there is." the second seen is out. the first episode just out this morning. i didn't think i would do another season. the last few months i realized probably for the first time the importance of grieving and talking with others who lived with and learned from the loss. >> the basement in my house is still filled with boxes of stuff belonging to my mom who died in 2019 and to my dad and brother who died decades ago. there are photographs and letters and notes, have been sitting here waiting for me to find the courage to sift through them for nearly a year. i had started to go through the boxes last year in the first season of "all there is," but i had to stop. i found it overwhelming. all this stuff brought up a lot of pain and sadness i had buried long ago as a kid when my dad, wyatt cooper, died, and again when my brother carter died by suicide. it turns out grief doesn't stay buried forever. >> i have never said anything like this before. >> i lost my father when i was 10. >> i was reminded of that this spring when i started listening to a thousand voicemails i received during the first season of the podcast. >> i had to grieve the person that i was. >> we have to endure it. we have to get through it. >> it took months, but i listened to all of your calls. more than 46 hours of messages. and they moved me profoundly. >> we lost our son, brad, eight years ago. >> i want you to know my son's name. ian alexander. >> i learned the names of your loved ones. i heard your pain and your love, and i don't know how to explain it exactly, but it awakened something inside me and i realized now for the first time that i had never really allowed myself to grieve. in burying that pain, i have also buried my ability to feel joy and i don't want to do that any longer. i can't. i want to feel all there is. and so that's why i am doing another season of this podcast. i need to talk with others living with grief and learn from them how i can, too. >> i think the impulse at least for me was just sort of how do i fix it, how do i manage it. none of that works with grief. you can't fix it. you can't manage it. you can't push it away. >> i was at a grocery store feeling like nobody could see me. and i was just screaming inside. >> it felt like this unraveling of our family. like to be the only one left and to have no one i could really call and talk to and be like remember when this happened? >> in the first episode i talk with author francis weller about what grief can do for us in our lives. >> we are told to buck up, to get over it, to rise above it, but we are never taught how to be with. >> in the next episode i talk with president biden at the white house about his grief and how he has come to live with it. >> i think it's critical people understand that they are always going to be with you. your mother is in your heart every single day. your brother. in your heart. they are there. every single day. and there will come a time as you can sort of welcome that, that you have that, you had that, that it was there. >> there is a lot i don't understand about grief, but i do know that talking about is it is the only thing that makes me feel less alone in it, and i hope it does for you as well. the new season of "all there is" starts november 29th wherever you get your podcasts. >> how did the season, recording the season change your approach? >> i mean, i literally listening to those voicemails was a life changing experience and i do -- i discovered something in a box, an article, an essay my dad wrote to 40 years ago titled the importance of grieving. he writes about what happens to kids that don't grief. i realized that's me. and so, yeah. it's -- i sort of had this awakening, i guess, to call it that. in the last couple of months while listening to the voicemails, about how crucial it is to, you know, no matter how old the loss is, doesn't go away unless you face it and try to learn how to. that's what i'm trying to do. >> one of your guests said we are never really taught how to live with that grief. you recognizing how important it is to live with it, it is a part of you. i don't know if tu find this, but i finds personally in my own grief by recognizing that and keeping it alive, it keeps that person alive and makes them alive for my kids and my family, and that is a beautiful way to honor them. >> my first guest is a psychotherapist and author francis weller. i a listner sent me her book saying i hope that there is something in this that touches you. i open the book and it was its first grief book i read and it blew me away. so he is the first guest. president biden is the second guest next week. >> beautiful the way you opened up the conversation for so many people. >> i know we got to go. i get a lot of questions about l you from people outside of cnn. >> is he as pail? >> no, not at all? your reporting with cnn or "60 minutes," you know, your "real housewives" obsession and relationship with andy cohen, it runs the gamut. i have never experienced so many people connecting so deeply with a journalist's work than on the first season of your podcast. thank you for being here. please be sure to download the season 2 premier of "all there is." it's out today wherever you get your podcasts. nikki haley getting a billionaire boost to her campaign. will it be enough to topple president trump? harry enten next. . money from the deep pockets of wealthy donors is oxygen for any successful presidential campaign and nikki haley just got a big old dose of it tuesday. americans for prosperity announcing it is backing the former south carolina governor's bid for the white house. so, of course, the question now, will the endorsement and all the cash actually offer up the momentum she needs to give nikki haley a real shot at overtaking donald trump? the man with the answer, harry enten. no pressure, harry, but what do you got? >> i think a lot of people might say, okay, what the heck are the koch brothers thinking if you look at the national polls? she isn't just 10% back. donald trump at 61%. ron desantis is at 17%. and you might say, okay, had might be emblematic of wealthier folks not liking donald trump as much. incomes of 150,000 plus, donald trump is at 38%. nikki haley closer to 21%. are they just bias in some sort of way? i don't think that's necessarily it because if you take a look at the polls in iowa and new hampshire, this is trump, haley. nationally trump ahead by 51. iowa hayley 16, donald trump 43%. new hampshire a 22 point difference. i think they are looking at the early polls and saying nikki haley has a real shot of defeating donald trump despite what the national polls are showing. >> do the history. what's the precedent? >> what is the precedent? are there any candidates who won iowa or new hampshire down by 20 plus points at this point? iowa, george h.w. bush when we was down by 20 plus points, new hampshire, gary hart in '84, pat buchanan 1996, and here is the other thing that i think you want to take a look at here. non-trump voters who made up their mind in the gop primary, 24% in iowa, 29% new hampshire. there is this large anti-trump vote the gop primary that they think can move around and maybe money from the koch brothers may make them move towards the haley direction. >> we will be watching. thank you. we are seeing our first images of the u.s. military osprey aircraft that crashed off the coast of japan. what we know about the six people who were onboard. and cnn updating a copy of former congresswoman liz cheney's new book. what she reveals about trump and the new hohouse speakeker. that's's ahead.. former congresswoman liz chaney's new book "oath and honor" ahead of the december 5th release. she recounts a conversation with former house speaker kevin mccarthy after he visited trump's florida home after the attack on the capitol. she asked, mar-a-lago, what the hell? mccarthy and spot they are worried trump's not eating so they asked me to see him. cheney said you went to mar-a-lago because trump's not ei eating? mccarthy replied, yeah, he is really redee pressed. we have heard liz chaney has been so consistent on her views of this, even before she joined the january 6th committee, in the wake of it, now out of congress. where do you think this book lands in term terms of impact heading into the election? >> liz chaney had a lot of impact and what she did in lead-up to the 2022 elections and what democrats basically, you know, to a certain extent sat back and allowed her to lead in the presentation on the january 6th committee i think it was effective in peeling off a small but crucial slice of traditionally republican voters who like liz chaney were ail yented by the president's actions around january 6th. i don't know that the book moves the needle beyond that. i think that will continue to mother in 2024. you saw that in a lot of the senate races in 2022 when you had candidates who embraced the election denier position who stood with the riots and the efforts to, you know, overturn the 2020 election. that is an unpopular position. messaging about that is a key component of the democrat campaign strategy for tw2024. >> democratic coalitions was one of them, in '# 22, plaque vote black voters the bed rook at this point in time. you went forefor thanksgiving and people are like don't talk about politics, hold my beer, i'm talking to everybody about politics. >> it was done out of this premise. we look back from the 2022 midterms black turnout because one the weakest points. the sienna poll also shows a real sea change in terms voters dropping off. convene a focus group, get folks around the thanksgiving table and try to get deeper under the polls to understand why this is happening. i leaned on kind of folks in my family, i knew folks from my dad's church and an intergenerational group of blacks folks together and talked about this stuff. a couple of things stuck out out of those conversations. the first is i think there is a real sense of shock that we're back here again and i think people understand that when it comes to prospect of trump and re-election that's also true for biden re-election. people mentioned how they saw him as emergency option in 2020 and assumed that there was a kind of implicit pinkie promise one term of it all and they are kind of surprised we are back here again. it was a sense of, like, really? second thing, generational split across with biden. you have a younger generation of black voters who are much less kind of tied to the representational real legacy for and they are more distant from the history of civil rights that says you have to vote. this group was saying what is this administration doing for me? they are much more likely to hold war or hold kind of other administration broken promises against them rather than a kind of older group. and the last one we focused on was black men and the gender split we see in the data. black men show more interest in voting for president trump than we have with black women and you see the concerns that you see across groups, need for economic empowerment, an openness to some republican ideas and we also have to say some uncomfortable topics, the changing language around gender and sexuality has made some folks uncomfortable, straight black men who were in that group. a lot of things come up in that discussion that shows mass u lint and gender forms are shifting the democratic coalition. i think it was a fun time because we got to get deeper under the why we see those numbers shift and it is a big area of concern concern when we think about next year in 2024. >> it's fascinating and definitely one that deserves further conversation as we head into 2024. i want to turn back to israel for a moment. i was struck by your interview with israel's first lady, what you were really diving into and touching on which you have made a focal point on your show as well is this question of why we are not hearing from more human rights organizations, specifically those created to protect the rights of women in response to what we are hearing in terms of these allegations of sexual violence, of rape that was used against israeli women in this terror attack. what did she tell you? >> listen, she, too, was shocked when these reports were first coming out and she didn't really comprehend just the complexity involved in the investigation and what ultimately experts said was premeditated in the sexual violence, the sexual assaults, the rapes perpetrated by hamas against israeli women. as you said, it's been seven weeks now and there is a lot of frustration among israeli women going up to the first lady of the country, where are the women's rights groups? where is u.n. women? where are these organizations who stand for the protection of women specifically when it comes to war crimes? we've seen silence. and she said this is just not acceptable, it's not acceptable for israeli women but it's not acceptable because it sets a precedent for women around the world. we heard from a u.n. official who said a lot of things, but didn't condemn hamas in the interview i conducted yesterday. we will continue to be following this very important story. >> we will as well. guys, thank you very much, as always. there has been a breakthrough in aviation, the first ever transcontinental flight running on 100% sustainable jet fuel. sir richard branson joins us on set to discuss the remarkable achievement. that's next. clear for takeoff. thanks for your well wishes. both engines are running on 100% sustainable aviation fuel. we're ready to go. >> that was virgin airlines boeing 787 taking off from london yesterday on the first transatlantic flight operated by a commercial airline using 100% sustainable jet fuel. virgin says the flight used 70 tons of fuel mostly made from waist cooking fuels. >> the u.s. energy department says sustainable aviation fuel can potentially deliver the same performance as traditional jet fuel but a fraction of the greenhouse gas emissions. there were no paying customers aboard that demonstrate flight but virgin airlines founder sir richard branson was on that flight and he joins us now. safe to say you were pretty happy with your flight over here to new york. >> i was home with my daughter, so i'm very pleased to say it worked. >> when someone hears this, i have to say the first thing that i thought of was is this sort of the equivalent of what we heard a few years ago of i'm going to get the extra french fry oil and use it in my diesel car but we're doing it now for planes? >> it's not to different. in 2018 we did a flight with 4% and people said it would be absolutely impossible for you ever to be able to have sustainable fuel 100%. working with boeing and rolls royce and the virgin atlantic team yesterday was a truly historic moment. now we know it can fly, we could fly, we could have flown to l.a., we could have flown to tokyo, we could have flown anywhere in the world, now we just have to get the fuel companies and we have to get entrepreneurs to start making enormous quantities so that, you know, planes can fly on it. you know, we also have a cruise company, we would like our cruise company to be able to use it and this will be an important part and sort of tipping the world into a clean energy world. >> one of your many well-known quotes you said the world will always assume something can't be done until you do it. you have some precedent here i think from the pass past 2005, you changed the landscape of things with the global flier. talk about scale here. how do you scale this up to your point about all the entities that need to get involved? >> yeah, so in 2005 we argued with boeing and airbus that they should build their planes principally with carbon fiber and not heavy metal. they weren't sure it could be done. so we built a plane called the virgin atlantic global flier which was 100% carbon flier, it flew nonstop around the world with steve faucet at the helm and afterwards boeing and airbus came, they saw how it got done and now the plane that we had flown yesterday was 60, 70% carbon fiber. and most planes now are being built with carbon fiber. that is saving billions of carbon going up into the atmosphere. so now, you know, with the sustainable aviation fuel, we expect the same revolution to happen. i mean, it took, you know -- it took 15, 20 years, you know, to get enough planes to have made a real difference with -- by being built of carbon, hopefully we can speed up the process with clean energy fuel. >> it's more expensive right now, the sustainable fuel. that being said, the way i understand it, there isn't really a modification that needs to be made of the engine. so you can use it in existing planes? >> yeah, so that's what's so exciting is we literally -- we could fly -- you know, if, for instance, america gets ahead of britain in making sustainable aviation fuel, we could -- in one direction fill it up with sustainable aviation fuel while britain is catching up and, you know, making enough sustainable aviation fuel to fly both ways. so it's highly adaptable and easy to use and so, you know, i'm even thinking, you know, we should really in order to speed up the process maybe set up a fuel company ourselves. >> i like it when the wheels are turning right in front of us. >> in realtime. that is very fascinating. >> the demand for this is go to be millions and millions and millions of gallons and the great thing is the government on both sides of the atlantic they were all with us last night congratulating us and also saying they want to work with us. you know, the world in most areas as far as getting to clean energy, there's an exponential growth in a whol

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