Sentence, no recorded vote, no dissent. Alabama has been ordered to come up with two majority black districts, or something quite close to, that better represent the states 27 black population. The map that republicans offered still only had one majority black district. But with this decision today, alabama will now have be on its way to having any map and have the 2024 election, something that could have national implications. Thank you so much for joining us for this busy news hour tonight. Cnn prime time with abby phillip starts right now. Tonight, we are going to play for you, jake tappers entire interview with Cassidy Hutchinson. She is the former trump aide, whose testimony may end up leading to his conviction. She discusses her tumultuous time in the white house, her biggest fear about the trumps second term, and her message to anyone who is still loyal to the former president. But first, we have two breaking stories that are unfolding right now. Good evening, everyone abby philip. And, the very first one that impacts all americans tonight, the United States government is just days away from a crippling government shutdown, and a Collision Course is a merging. The senate has cut a bipartisan deal, to keep the government open until november. And that includes more than Six Billion Dollars in aid to ukraine. But, it does appear that that bill is Dead On Arrival in the house. As you know now, republicans have been fighting with each other. Hardliners want drastic cuts to spending, which includes more money for Border Security, and less for ukraine. And House SpeakerKevin Mccarthy, who is by the way, fighting for his job, says that the houses counter offer will include a Border Security package. But for some, including congressman matt gaetz, that is not enough. Now remember, if the government shuts down, key agencies and National Parks will all be closed. Servicemen and women will be at risk of not being paid, and Every Day Life will be impacted for all americans, from Food Inspections to lines at the airport. And joining me now is congressman ralph norman, he is a republican from south carolina. Congressman, thank you for joining us tonight. Speaker mccarthy, just a few moments ago in a presser, said that it was a mistake for the senate to include even more funding for ukraine. He is dismissing that Stopgap Measure that they put on the table. He says that he is going to put forward a republican bill with border provisions, likely as soon as friday. And he is daring hardliners to vote against it. What do you say to mccarthy tonight . Well, i agree with what the senate put forward, with 6. 5 billion for ukraine, 5. 2 billion, from what i understand, for disaster relief. And then, the same spending through November 15th of this year, which is totally unacceptable. And along with all of the other spending, that has been in place. So that is a complete, Dead On Arrival, i hope in the house. As far as what Speaker Mccarthy had, we will see with the final numbers are, and on what level he but we will see. But do you support a Stopgap Measure to keep the government funded for a shorter period time, until they have more time to consider some of these other, longer term Spending Bills . Well theres got to be, what were going to agree to, and what amount. We are going to learn more about that tomorrow, but look, this is all about, we are doing this the right way. We are debating the individual appropriation a bills, as we should be. This is all about getting this country back on track. You hear a lot of different things, that the democrats are saying. They dont mind spending this country into oblivion, and we just have a basic disagreement on that. You said a few days ago that the chances of a shutdown were 100 percent. Today, where do you think things stand . Well, we will find out this week. We only have about four or five more days now, its not a lot of time. No its not, but the fact is we are debating bills and weve got them on the floor. Weve got 400 amendments, which has really been unheard of, in the previous reign of miss pelosi. But we will see, its. When the shutdown, we have to remember that the government shutdown, they shut businesses down, back during the covid virus, for a year and a half, and shut children all schools. So now, if we shut the government down, the pressure has still, has to be on the passage of these appropriation bills, in a conservative way, and one that gets this country back on a Firm Financial footing, which we are not on right. Now so, your colleague, congressman matt gaetz, he is once again today threatening to oust Speaker Mccarthy. Listen to what he said. The one thing i agree with my democrat colleagues on, is that for the last eight months, this house has been poorly led. And we own, that and we have to do something about it. And you know what, my democrat colleagues will have an opportunity to do something about that too. And we will see if they bail out, our failed speaker. Do you agree with congressman gaetz there . Well, here is what i agree with you on. I think, the September 30th Date has always been there, october one has been the start of the new budget year, for 240 years, as far as i remember. And i dont remember that far back, but the bottom line, we should spending, and get the budget and the, priority has just not been a priority for the speaker, and i fault him for that. Now he will have to decide where he wants to go from here. What is he going to take a stand on . And is he going to fight for what the senate sends back . And we have a lot to fight for, and we control the purse strings, not the senate. Do you think that this issue is enough to force a vote to help oust Speaker Mccarthy . Well that depends on what he puts forward, tomorrow and what he wants to do, as far as and, were going to have to have some honest discussions to see. And i dont know, because we dont know the numbers yet. Thats what weve asked for since july 10th, when the free time caucus sent a letter, and that we still dont know with the degree man is going to be. We went to one point 47, they were talking a 5. 2 trillion. So, we will see. But what the senate has, is totally out of reality. And i hope the leadership will fight this tooth and, theyll and get them back something that is conservative, and far less than what they are proposing. Well both sides, the senate and the house, still incredibly far apart tonight, as we speak here. Congressman ralph norman, thank you for joining us tonight. My pleasure. And our other big story tonight, Donald Trumps entire business and political career, has been built on the illusion of success. But tonight, his Business Empire is now at risk. A judge in new york, finding that the former president and his two adult sons are liable for fraud, and canceling the Trump Organizations Business Certification in the state of new york. The judge says that trump made false Financial Statements, for a decade, inflating there were, the flat defrauding pranks, and, interim receiving better loan terms in insurance costs. All of this, just days before the new York Attorney generals suit is set to go to a trial. Joining me now is someone who knows a lot about the Trump Organization, barbara raz. Shes a former executive Vice President at the Trump Organization, and she is also the author of tower of lies, what my 18 years working with donald trump reveals about him. Barbara, can donald trump, and the Trump Organization, survive this ruling . Well, ive been asked that question so many times. Logically no, it doesnt look like it. But somehow, he pulls things out of the air. I dont think, i dont think the Trump Organization is going to survive this one. But, you were in charge of the construction of trump tower, that iconic building in new york. The judge says that trumps triplex apartment in trump tower was overvalued by between 114 to 207 million, due to trump saying that the apartment was three times its size. Does that surprise you at all . Does that, no, no not not at all. Because he says, everything about trump tower was a blown up, vick blown up, life sold the most, apartments got the highest lions. Everything was correct, whatever he thought he could get away with. And you could get away with anything, it seemed. Did you see evidence so he did you see evidence of these kinds of Deceptive Practices when you were a part of the Trump Organization . Yeah, yeah, i did. But its kind of like a different it wasnt on the level of Criminality Or crimes if you want to call them, civil crimes, it was more like, something really didnt lives, but they were something that someone was going to sue him for. Can you give us an example . Well the materials in the building, in the apartments. He would say that he had these parquet wood floors. They were crap. I mean, im sorry to say this, they were glued down, you know, one foot by one foot tiles. He said the marble in the bathrooms was parody ceo, and it was a glamorous marble, made, up not real marble. And that goes on and on and on. But whos going to call him up . In the beginning, most people changed or so it didnt really matter. Thats really fascinating. As far as the value yeah. I just going to say, as far as the value, i mean, he tripled the value of everything. You know, he lied. We would sell uninformed dollars, he would say we sold it for three. Theres also the issue of maralago and all of this, overvalued by 2300 . Do you think, just taking a step back here, that were it not for these Deceptive Practices, would donald trump be where he is today in terms of his political standing, in terms of its financial wealth . Its not only these Deceptive Practices, its lying on a very large scale. And you can see it in his presidency. He got away with this, so that he moved on to this. And it was the same thing were talking about now. He could get away with over valuing something by 20 , one hunted percent, 1000 , he just kept doing it. Barbara reds, thats very interesting, thank you. You are someone who is inside this organization working closely with trump for all those years, appreciate you joining us tonight. My pleasure, thank you. And coming up next, jake tappers entire interview with former trump aide Cassidy Hutchinson and her candid revelations about what she saw inside of the white house. What mark meadows did and why she says that trump is the single greatest threat to our democracy. Thats next. Tonight, former white house aide Cassidy Hutchinsons warning in a new cnn interview that a second trump term beat more dangerous than the first, telling our own jake tapper that the former president is, quote, the gravest threat to american democracy. Here is part one of our are sit down with Cassidy Hutchinson. Cassidy, thanks so much for joining us. Appreciate it. Thanks for having me, jake. So a few years ago, donald trump, President Trump, was a man you described in your book as adoring. And now, you are doing this book tour in what you tell the story from childhood to your greatest testimony. And you are basically warning the world that he shouldnt be president ever again. A, thats quite a journey and b, why shouldnt he be president again . Id like to start by saying i came for to testify because, one, thats what i was obligated to do. I swore an oath to protect and defend the United States. And that was what i was subpoenaed to do. And i was at a point where i had not been completely forthcoming with the committee charged with investigating the most grave attack on the United States in recent history. So i came forward not with the goal or anything other than providing people with the truth. Ive seen how people are evading the truth and how people are not holding themselves accountable. And it was my duty as american, as it is every americans duty, to hold themselves to the oath that they swear. Yeah. But right now, the American People are going through another election, or are about to, and we, donald trump is leading in the polls when it comes to the republican primaries, even in some polls when it comes to a head to head matchup with president biden. The other day, trump suggested the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, the outgoing chairman, general mark milley, committed treason. He suggested that Capital Punishment would be on the table, or should be on the table. When you see a message like that, how seriously do you take it . I mean, milley has suggested people, according to the atlantic magazine, that he expects that of Donald Trumps elected president again, that donald trump will try and go after him. When you see that, do you think he means that . Or do you think thats just hot air. I do. I do, you think he means it . I do believe that he means it. But what i think id like to say to this is that for years we have not held donald trump accountable to the things that he says. And when he says those things and when he strikes, when you strokes those vitriolic in people who have had profound careers defending our democracy, like general milley, we need to take him seriously. People have been holding him accountable for the past few years, but obviously not accountable enough. Because we are in a position right now where its looking more likely that he could be the republican nominee. And he has also been indicted four times. To me, it is sad were in this place as a country when were looking at somebody who has executed this horrible assault on our democracy and were continuing to give this person a platform. Thats not what we should stand for as americans. And i think donald trump is the most grave threat that we will face too our democracy in our lifetime, potentially in american history. When he says things like he wants to use the Department Of Justice to go after his enemies, when he says things like he did on truth social the other day, that he wants to curtail Freedom Of The Press for certain channels and that sort of thing, you take him literally, you think he actually means it, in a second term, he would do that . I think donald trump in a second term does not have any, would not have guardrails. I think we saw that at the end of the first term with how things played out after he lost the election. He violated our constitution in multiple ways. It is completely fine to File Lawsuits in the country, or in states. Fine, of course. But what is not okay is when you threaten on salt to the constitution and our institutions of government. I would not put it past donald trump, jake, to put those institutions of government in a worse position than they were in during the first time. So as you noted, hes now facing 91 Felony Charges in four different investigations. Hes been indicted four different times. Youve testified in from the georgia grand jury. You are interviewed by federal investigators overseeing the January 6th Investigation and indictment and the classified documents case and indictment. How do you feel about the charges hes facing . I know youre not a lawyer, but i know that you also read these documents. When you look at the evidence and then when you hear his excuses ors defense, i mean, do you think hes guilty . I want to hold off on providing my personal opinions on that, and only because and with the platform that i think we should all look towards and the platform at least that im trying to adopt in this era of my life is it is sometimes what is going on Behind Closed Doors at the justice department. I am confident in our system of government, and i think that we have to leave it to the investigators to be able to collect the facts. And that is why i came forward and testify truthfully to all investigations. I think that if he is convicted, then that is a conviction we need to accept as americans, and we need to trust our institutions of government. But i will say this too, jake, these are the people that are running our government at the end of the trump administration. Yeah, the most loyal of loyal trump people. The most loyal of loyal trump people, and who have also been indicted, some people, some of these individual have also been indicted. We have to think, what would a second trump term look like . But these be the people that are running the government, the people that currently facing indictments . Who would work for donald trump in a second term . Thats the question we need to be asking ourselves going into this election season. While, lets talk about mark meadows, who was the white house Chief Of Staff. And you were basically the Chief Of Staff to the Chief Of Staff. You write in your