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"cnn newsroom" continues with jim acosta right now. you are live in the "cnn newsroom." i'm jim acosta in washington. good evening. we begin this hour with 70,000 people estimated stranded in the nevada desert. they came for the normally sun-soaked and raucous burning man festival, but extreme weather crashed the party. a storm dumped two or three months' worth of rain in just 24 hours. one death during the downpour is being investigated. attendees are now bogged down in thick, ankle-deep mud, making driving impossible and walking a slog for many people. they're being told to conservative water, food, and fuel at this point. earlier on someone, one woman described her efforts to escape the mudfest. >> it was kind of a crazy thing, but i hitched a ride with an atv that was heading out that needed to get somebody more important than me out. they were willing to let me sit in the back. so got a ride out to the main road. then when i got out there, i immediately found a guy who was towing a vehicle that had gotten in some type of an accident and asked him if i could hop into the crashed vehicle on his trailer and catch a ride to wherever he was going. and he got me to friendly, nevada. then from friendly, i grabbed an uber to reno, and i headed to the airport. >> cnn's camila bernal joins us now. camila, how are things going now? what are you hearing from folks? >> reporter: hey, jim. so this is what organizers are saying is the beginning of the exodus. you're seeing all the cars here behind me. this is essentially as close as we can get to the playa. behind me is the playa. it's about two miles away from here where the festival is actually taking place. and here you're seeing the line of cars trying to get out. these are the people that are getting out despite the fact that there is a shelter in place and despite the fact that officials are telling them that the roads are closed. there's plenty of people that are coming out. but, of course, you're seeing the mud stuck to all of the cars and also the people that are walking here telling me that they have been walking for hours through the mud. some have told me it's taken an hour. others have told me, look, it's taken me three hours to get out of here. but all of them very positive and saying they've had a really good experience. but, of course, it came to an end when it started raining and all of this sand started turning into this cakey mud. that's what a lot of them are dealing with right now. i do want to bring in raj, who just walked out of the festival. so, raj, tell us about what it was like walking out today. >> walking out was really interesting. first of all, bueautiful vistas but lots of mud that caked on the feet. then you grew bigger feet as you with walking through. and we had to cross a few rivers. but there were really good spirits, and we were able to do it. >> how long did it take you, and why did you decide to come out today despite the fact everybody is being told to shelter in place? >> we decided to come out today because of child care. it's important to get back to the family. originally i was going to leave yesterday, and of course because of the rains and the conditions, stayed there. thought it was safe enough to start walking, and always could turn back if that was a problem. but everyone was really supportive and helpful. >> so you left part of your group behind. why did you leave part of the group behind versus you coming out to walk, and what are they experiencing? >> so the group right now is cleaning up and putting the camp in order so that we can take people in that really need it. part of what i left behind was my rv full of supplies and a very clean and safe place to sleep for people that don't have necessarily a great place to sleep as well. so we're keeping the rv here so that they can utilize it for people who are really in need and also the supplies that are there. >> at any point were you guys worried about food, water? you had a place to sleep, but others did not. were you worried about essentially the supplies and what you had there? >> so the thing about burning man that i think is so different than other events is that this is all about resilience and self-reliance. so people came really prepared, and the culture is very open where if we have extra supplies, we give them to others. and if, like, someone came by our tent and gave us some extra propane tanks because they saw we were short on propane. so it's a very giving culture that continued despite these really crazy conditions. >> you were not expecting this. you weren't expecting to walk, i'm assuming. what was it like in comparison to other years or other experiences that you've had? >> so i wasn't expecting this walk. however, i work in climate, and no year is ever going to be the same for any place or festival like this. and so there's going to be these unexpected, unpredictable events that happen that we have to be ready for. >> thank you so much. i really appreciate it. it's a similar story with everyone else that i've been talking to, remaining very positive. but, of course, going through the walk or the drive, which has not been easy for a lot of people, jim. >> all right. camila bernal, thank you very much. let's bring in another one of the attendees still at the burning man festival, angela peacock is joining us now. angela, thanks so much for joining us. i see you're under a tent there. how are the conditions at this hour? how are you doing? >> um, well, here's what it looks like on your feet. it's horrible. >> wow. >> everything is wet. everything is muddy. but all of our spirits are really high like the previous person said. we're all kind of coming together in the community, making sure we all get packed up and break down camp safely. everybody is eating. everybody has got water. everything is pretty good. >> and, you know, we were just showing some drone footage a few moments ago that just showed all of these cars and rvs and pickup trucks, you name it, just stuck in this mud. people trying to get out and so on. what's the deal here? how did this happen? how did it come about? can you talk about that? >> well, i mean, it started at 5:00 on friday evening, and most of us, you know, we didn't think it was going to be this. we knew it was going to rain. but it ended up raining all night, and most of us just went to bed because the programming kind of stopped. all the music stopped. we were worried about electricity and standing water on the ground. so everybody, at least in my camp, we all went to sleep. we caught up on lots of the whole week with not sleeping. when we woke up, we woke up to this huge mess. water was coming into the tent. it was a little shocking. i don't think any of us really expected the impacts. but, again, we're prepared for it. we're just fine. >> i know a lot of folks are saying, hey, we came prepared. folks are helping out other folks. we don't want to overdramatize things or anything like that. but were there some concerns for people's safety at certain points when you were in the middle of all this, that this rain was just a little out of control and the mud was a little out of control, and this might be a little bit unsafe? >> i think it was more like, do we have enough food if we're stuck here for like 36 hours? the porta-potties for instance, they're pretty full right now, and everybody is kind of -- i mean you have to go, so we're kind of trying to space it out and go to the more empty ones. we're keeping everything clean and pulling all trash out, making sure no trash gets stuck in the mud, toilet paper flying, all that kind of thing. it's more like a logistic thing, how do you change your flight if you need to fly out from a neighboring airport and do we have enough food and water and supplies to make it if we're stuck for a little while. >> what was the deal with the logjam of cars and rvs and everything? the mud was so deep that tires were spinning and couldn't get traction and get out? and just showing us your feet a few minutes ago, i imagine after walking 100 yards or so, that's going to get really difficult to just walk out with all that mud caked on your feet. i mean, is that kind of it? >> i mean i can't believe they tried that because it's literally like a couple miles to the gate. i mean that is a feat because just walking to the bathroom in here, i mean it's a workout. you're heavy breathing and sweating by the time you get to the bathroom. we were told this morning to shelter in place and to not try to drive out unless you had all wheel drive or four wheel drive because once some cars get stuck, it's going to back all these 70,000 people from getting out the next day or the day after. we don't want a bunch of cars stuck so everybody is pretty cool about staying where we are. >> that way things dry out and the cars can move out when the conditions do improve. >> so we all can leave. >> glad you're hanging in there. guess you're going to stay until the end? >> i'm here till the end, and i'll be back next year, rain or shine. >> very good. angela peacock, thank you very much for your time. we really appreciate it. >> thanks. >> all right. thank you. good luck. still ahead, the legal debate over donald trump and whether his election interference indictments make him ineligible to be on the ballot in 2024. i'll ask michigan's secretary of state what she thinks. plus, debt deja vu. and it is 5:00 in margaritaville. how key west is paying tribute to jimmy buffett this hour. you're live in the "cnn newsroom." when people swititch their dog's food from kibble to the farmer's dog, they often say that it feels like magic. but there's no magic involved. 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what are your thoughts on this? >> well, thanks for having me. you know, i think this is a critical issue. it's an issue that is not going to go away anytime soon. it's one we have to and we are taking very seriously because the arguments for disqualification are quite strong. that said, there are counterarguments on the other side that recognize really the unprecedented moment that we're in and the timing of disqualification and the question of who exactly makes that determination. what is an insurrection or rebellion? what is giving aid or comfort? so all of that has really never been answered before, and it's never been answered the by the courts. that's why i do think while election officials may make a determination on this issue, it will ultimately be resolved by the u.s. supreme court. >> and is this something that you, in particular, your office in particular would have to wade into when it comes to putting names on the ballot in the state of michigan, and have you made any kind of determination at this point? are you going to insert yourself into this and make that determination? >> well, we're going through this in a very methodical way, talking to legal scholars on all sides of the spectrum and really fleshing out all of the particulars. and i'm also in close contact with my colleagues in nevada and pennsylvania and georgia, new hampshire, because we want to get this right. we recognize that the weightiness of this decision. we recognize the importance of our role as state officials in this moment. and we also have this ongoing question of timing. there's a decision about who gets on the primary ballot that will be made this fall in most states. but then there will be a secondary decision point if, indeed, this candidate is nominated by the republican party next summer. and so we also, you know, are seeing this evolve at the same time these court proceedings are also evolving. so all of it, there's lots of variables, lots of moving pieces. but it requires us to put serious attention into it, and that's what we're doing. we'll also likely ask our attorney general to weigh in, and, again, we're in conversation with others as well to see and to know where everyone else is at in terms of their own state law interpretation. >> okay. so it sounds like this is a work in progress. is there a timeline at all as to when you might want to come up with an answer on this and make that kind of judgment call? >> well, nevada is the state that will be making the first determination in early october as to who goes on their primary or caucus ballot. and then michigan and other states follow in november. usually the process is determined for us in michigan throughout november and finalized in december. in terms of who's on the primary ballot. and there's another wrinkle as well in terms of how court cases resolve this and the timing of the actual printing of the ballots. if a court were to rule someone ineligible, how does that impact the printing of the ballots and these other details we have to consider. it's a tight timeline, and that's why we really need the courts to engage and resolve this for all of us sooner rather than later. i think you can anticipate you'll see a lot of things happen over the next several months on this with all of us recognizing that we may go through this a second time as cold front cases play out, as perhaps convictions get handed down, and perhaps as there's a primary nomination process next summer through the conventions that we have to have an eye on as well. >> yesterday we spoke with conservative journalist david frum, who is also a trump critic. he said that democrats really should just focus on beating trump in the next election instead of trying to block the former president from getting on the ballot. what do you think of that? >> well, the law is the law, and the constitution is the constitution. and my job is to make sure the law is followed and the constitution is upheld in all things. but there is also something to consider with regards to democracy and the importance of voters having a say and a choice. and that weighs very heavily on me as well. i know myself and my other colleagues and i, we've talked about this, the importance of ensuring voters do have that choice and the danger anytime anyone weighs in on that or tries to in any way other than what the law requires be involved. so there's a great reticence and reluctance for us to be involved in this issue. we would -- and i certainly would -- want to see the voters have choice and choices at the ballot box on all fronts. but that said, my job first and foremost is to follow the law, to uphold the constitution, and that's my north star in this moment. >> i guess another question in all of this is does trump need to be convicted in these election interference cases at the federal level and/or in fulton county to bolster the case for using the 14th amendment? might that have an impact on all of this? >> certainly. that is one of the unknowns and evolving factors in all this. i think any determination needs to be based on evidence and facts, and those questions are going to be resolved by courts as we go forward. so it's why we have to, in some ways, assume this is going to be an issue throughout this whole election cycle, perhaps even after it's over depending on how the election cycle goes. so we have to, you know, take this seriously as a discussion, and i really welcome the discussion. it's an important one to have. and, you know, folks should know we're going to take this as seriously as our office requires and note that in past cases, like i think in a new mexico case, where someone was disqualified for their involve. in january 6th, that did happen, i believe, after a conviction. so we're mindful of that, and decisions made pretrial processes playing out have a different weight to those decisions that are made after the legal cases play themselves out. >> all right. michigan secretary of state jocelyn benson, thanks as always for your time. we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> all right. thank you. in the meantime, russia targets key infrastructure in ukraine and why president zelenskyy says he'll replace his defense minister. we'll break down the latest nextxt. for freeee. that's what i'm talking ababou. order in the subway app today. ♪ ("drumroll" by lónis, little league ) ♪ ( ♪ ♪ ) ♪ this just in ♪ ♪ got t keys to what you want and what you need ♪ ♪ something new somethg sweet ♪ ♪ moving to a different beat ♪ ♪ okay now (what?) ♪ ♪ can i get a (get a) drumroll? 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i see that zelenskyy is nominating a new defense minister. any thoughts on the new defense minister, and what do you think the impact of this is going to be? >> yeah. he's been in the government for the last couple of years. he was born in uzbekistan. he has been in ukraine since long before the war started, actually the first war, and he evidently is a very good man. but as i said a minute ago, corruption used to be rampant not only in the ministries but in the military. so to answer your question, will this affect the military itself, i don't think so in terms of the fighting forces. i had a conversation with a group of soldiers in 2016 that had just come back from the donbas, and they told me that was their biggest concern, that their generals and their colonels were corrupt. i don't think we see that anymore in the ukrainian military. they are fighting hard. but like many governments throughout the world inside of various ministries, there are individuals who will take advantage of these unfortunate situations for ukraine and grift off of the prices that are allocated that are actually contributing to the military. >> general, ukraine says it is focusing on battlefield gains as u.s. officials push back on these counteroffensive, i guess, criticisms that the counteroffensive is moving too slowly. what is your sense of ukraine's progress, the counteroffensive? might a new defense minister help in that regard? >> well, i'll start off by simply saying, jim, the ukrainian offensive has been good. they have made -- they have succeeded in many fronts. it is going slower than some would like. i'm not one of those because i understand how difficult what the ukrainian army is facing on the battlefield with just massive strewn mines across the front. but it's also, for me, a little bit distasteful for anyone who's not on the battlefield or within the military of ukraine to make comment about how fast or slow they're going. truthfully, jim, i experienced the same thing in combat in iraq when others would say, hey, you're not doing enough, or you're not doing this. it's a whole lot tougher to actually do the things that people want you to do than it is for soldiers who are fighting their hardest, and in fact in the case of ukraine, dying and being wounded on the front. so, yeah, i'm with minister kuleba, who said earlier in the week that people who are basically slamming ukraine for the pace of their operations should just, in his words, not mine, shut up. but i agree with that completely. if you're not on the front lines, if you're not carrying a rifle, you probably should not be, from the pentagon or other places, from nato headquarters, be talking about how -- especially in an anonymous way, how slow the effort is going. >> we're heading into the fall of 2023. a lot of folks at the beginning of all this never thought ukraine would have an offensive, period, let alone a counteroffensive. so i main in some ways, they're battling against expectations that have been raised. >> yeah. you know, it's interesting, jim. at the beginning of the war as you remember, a lot of people were saying, hey, how come the americans thought the russians were 10 feet tall? they can't do a lot of the things you're supposed to do on a battlefield. now, those same critics are saying, how come ukraine isn't -- they seem to be 10 feet tall. how come they're not doing the things we anticipate them doing? well, it's because conditions on the battlefield really determine how fast or how slow you get. and when you're talking about an offensive across a 400 to 600 kilometer front, which is what ukraine is attempting to do, it's very difficult, especially when you've got new weapons, new commanders. this is the first time you've done this. so, yeah, it's very difficult, and we should allow them to continue to fight the way they think they need to fight. >> all right. lieutenant general mark hertling, great to talk to you as always. appreciate it. >> pleasure, jim. thanks. >> all right. thank you. an update now on an inspirational story we brought you just last week. there she is, 12-year-old yan stepaneko. she ran a portion of a marathon in western ukraine, today. she is just learning to run with prosthetic legs. she completed a stunning 230 feet or 76 yards in the race. yana, you might remember we profiled her last week. she lost both of her legs. her mother lost one in a russian railway attack last april. at least 50 people died in that attack, including 5 children. and as i mentioned, i talked to yana just last week about this. >> yana, what do you think about what you have gone through? >> translator: first it was diff difficult, but after a while, she got used to this process, and it got much easier over time for her. >> will you be going back to school when you go back to ukraine? >> yes, she plans to. >> do you look forward to going back to school? >> school is the least exciting, but she's really excited to see her grandmother. >> yana is just a precious young lady. she and her mother just ended a year-long trip to the u.s. for rehab. she visited a bunch of fun places as she was telling me during that interview. her favorite, she told me, was legoland. we wish her the best as she's back in her native country and getting on with her life and making strides already, participating in that marathon earlier today. good for her and her mom. still ahead, congress returns to work next week, and a big priority is to keep the government from stopping its work. but there is once again a big gap between what the white house and republican lawmakers want funded. in the meantime, it is 5:00 in key west. how people there are paying tribute to jimmy buffett. you're looking at live pictures right now in key west, florida, as revelers there in key west pay tribute to the music legend we talked about so much yesterday. he passed away this labor day weekend. we'll be talking about all of this in just a few moments. stay with us. parrot-heads, stay tuned. we'll talk more about jimmy buffett in just a few moments. be right back. ♪ hon? 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what can be done about this? do you think it's going to happen? >> what a difference a year makes. democrats closed last summer investing in domestic manufacturer, empowering medicare to negotiate drug prices, passing the biggest bolb boldest. republicans are treatening to shut down the government really just to protect donald trump from accountability. it's shameful, and what kevin mccarthy is going to need to do is jettison the most extreme hard-liners in his conference. there's 25, 35, 45 members of that conference who just are not serious about governing. insofar as he let the tail wag the dog, the government is going to shut down. if he wants to step up and be a true leader of the chamber and put together a bipartisan consensus like we did to raise the debt limit, then i think we can govern. >> might we see a situation emerge -- it's a familiar one that we've seen before -- where things just essentially go to the brink? they go to the last second, and mccarthy, after trying to, i guess, placate that far-right fringe of the republican party, will have to corral enough moderates to work with democrats to push something through? is that the kind of scenario that might emerge or do we just not know at this point? >> i hope not. it's not good for the american economy, which has been on a rip roaring recovery for the last three years. it's not good for ukraine because we need to pass supplemental aid for them as they fight on the front lines of the free world and as their counteroffensive gains steam. and it's not good for just americans' confidence in our political system. americans deserve a competent federal government that can pass a yearly budget and can take care of basic services. that is a commitment that president biden shook hands on with speaker mccarthy, and now speaker mccarthy is running away from that deal. >> on the other side of capitol hill, there have been questions about the health of mitch mcconnell. other longtime members of congress. as you probably know, you maybe heard this from some of your constituents. it has a lot of americans wondering how many years politicians should be able to serve on capitol hill. a poll recently showed that an overwhelming majority of americans are in favor of establishing a term limit for members of congress. i don't have to inform our viewers. you're one of the younger members of the house of representatives. is that something that you would support? >> i agree that there are politicians who are hanging on too long. it's one of the reasons i admire the speaker that speaker pelosi set last term when she really gracefully and on her own terms stepped aside and let the next generation step up. the matter of mitch mcconnell is really for the gop conference to decide. what i will say is the best term limits are competitive elections. it's why the alaska model that has an open primary with ranked choice voting in the general is really a good template for a lot of other states to consider adopting to ensure that voters have a real choice every two or six years. >> just finally, i'm sure you saw this as well. a new "wall street journal" poll. president biden and former president donald trump are dead even in this hypothetical 2024 race. do you see that as a warning sign for democrats? is this something that democrats need to be wary of, that trump is pretty far out in front in terms of capturing the republican nomination, and he does poll almost evenly with the president. should democrats be paying more attention to this and be more concerned than perhaps they are right now about this? >> this is going to be a close election. probably going to come down to four states and 200,000 voters. that's the lesson of 2020 and 2016. i think democrats up and down the ballot are taking that very seriousiously. the good news here is president biden has a strong story to tell that we haven't started communicating yet as a party. a story of strong economic recovery in which the president took on special interests. it's a story of fighting for democracy both in ukraine and here at home. and it's a story of standing for a woman's right to choose and for taking on the gun lobby to make our communities more safe. i think donald trump, even without the incredible baggage of the four indictments he's facing, is not going to be able to have a stronger story than what joe biden can put out there. >> all right. congressman jake auchincloss of massachusetts, thank you very much for your time. really appreciate it on this labor day weekend. thanks so much. >> good to be with you. all right. coming up next, live from key west, you are looking at live pictures right now of a tribute to jimmy buffett, whose life and music was so influenced by the parrothead lifestyle. you knew there was going to be a party this weekend after the passing of this music icon. we'll talk about this in just a few minutes. stay with us. you're live in the "cnn newsroom." ♪ for authentic seasonal scents that fill your home wiwith warmth and cheer. from big cities, to small towns, and on main streets across the us, you'll find pnc bank. helping businesses both large and small, communities and the people t who live and work therbank. grow and thriv we're proud to call these places home too. they're where we put down roots, and where together, we work to help move everyone's financial goals forward. pnc bank. here's how tommy lost 30 lbs on noom weight. i'm tom. noom helped him use psychology to lose weight. the mindful aspect made me feel more conscious about what i was eating and why i was eating it. it's actually working. lose weight and make it last with noom weight. j.p. morgan wealth management knows it's easy to get lost in investment research. get help with j.p morgan personal advisors. hey, david! ready to get started? 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>> the core of jimmy buffett was his ferocious curiosity and his ability to observe the detail. sort of the clichc and noise of margaritaville, when you get into that lyric, blew off my flip flop, stepped on a pop top, cut my heel, had to cruise on back home, every detail, every syllable is giving you information and not wasting your time. so, although it has that party feel, there is a thread of contrition. and you see, and i know it's my ownfault . i love this guy! he owns this! >> what a beautiful run. >> it was so self-deprecating and so simple and somehow the lyrics were just infectious without really trying to be that way. we should note to our viewers we are looking at live pictures of this incredible procession as people remember jimmy buffett. what is it about jimmy buffett that appeals to so many people around the world? you could go to a karaoke bar in tokyo, really anywhere, and here jimmy buffett. margarita ville -- margaritaville. why did so many people love him? >> again, first off, he saw them so clearly and he told their story. but also, i am sorry to get professorial on you for a second, but you've got fins to the old left, fins to the right, you're the only bait in town. he would write melodies that made singers sound good. crummy, intoxicated singers, they would sound good. we love it when we sing well. we could go and be with jimmy buffett and he reminded us that we were enough. that we were enough. and it was just a beautiful thing to do for people and people craved being seen, being heard. jimmy saw them and heard them. >> livingston taylor, that is just wonderful. >> by the way, do i have 15 seconds to play a little bit of a mac mac and allie song that jimmy and i used to sing all the time together next >> play us out. >> it says, it's my job to be cleaning up this mess. that's enough reason to hope for me. it's my job and what i expect to be. ♪ >> beautiful, thank you so much. really appreciate that. what a tribute. we will be right back >> so great to be with you and thank you so much for allowing me to sing the praises of jimmy buffett. a fitting tribute, really is. we will be right back. s. well, my monthly payment did come o out lower than expected. financing my car withh carvana was super smooth. 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