chesebro being tried for now in october under george is a speedy trial provision. also today, fani willis got a reprieve from the states republican governor, brian kemp, who squelched a special legislative selection aimed at removing her. governor kemp said he hasn't seen any evidence warranting it adding he would follow the constitution, quote, regardless of who it helps politically. as for codefendant mark meadows, we learn today that a ruling on moving the case to federal court could come at anytime. now that all briefs from both sides have been filed. and whichever way that goes the fulton county judge who has the case, said today that all proceedings in his courtroom, all of them, will be livestreamed and allowed to be televised. as for this guy, one of the thousands of americans who turned the former presidents words into action on january 6th, he received one of the longest prison sentences yet. 17 years for joe biggs, a top member of the so-called proud boys. another member of the president of the groups philadelphia chapter got 15 years. it is a busy night, cnn sara murray starts us off. and sarah murray, now that trump has pleaded not guilty at will not appear in court next week. what's next for him in this case in georgia? >> there's a question about when, if ever, we might see donald trump in fulton county superior court. we did see from his attorney -- 's lead attorney in georgia, stephen saad, all eight -- other codefendants, as you pointed out. several of them have filed for a speedy trial, and the judge has said that that will happen in october of 2023, in this filing trump's attorney says there's no way they're going to be ready to go to trial in october of this year. -- forced trump ahead on that timeline would violate his rights to a fair trial. there is an open question about where trump is going to want to go to trial. we fully expected his team would try to move his case to federal court, although they have not filed for this. they may be, frankly, biding their time to wait and see how this maneuver plays out for mark meadows. >> so, let's talk about that. mark meadows, these dueling legal briefs filed late today regarding his efforts to get his case moved to federal court. when is the ruling expected there? >> essentially, the judge could rule at any time now. he should have all the information after he held a full day evidentiary hearing hearing. he asked for additional information which both sides filed this evening. so, it's really up to the judge to put his ruling forward in writing. and essentially essentially what we saw were we're two dueling arguments, the meadows team arguing that everything he did, he did as part of his duties as white house chief of staff. and that even if there were things he did that the judge did not think were part of his duties as white house chief of staff, the whole case should still be moved to federal court. the district attorney's office argued that we are accusing mark meadows of participating in a conspiracy. that's not part of his efforts at being white house chief of staff. and so, even if you may have found one act that he committed that was maybe related to those duties, it's not enough to move this case to federal court. now we wait on the judge. >> so, sara murray, the judge in the fulton county case weighed in on an important issue, big deal, cameras in the courtroom, what did he say? >> this is one of the things that can make this case, obviously, very different from what we've seen in the trump case play out in federal court, where cameras aren't allowed. the judge in fulton county superior court said he does plan to allow cameras. he plans to allow recordings of anything involving this case. i think the question is, who ends up, in this case, in fulton county superior court? but who ends up in federal court where we don't have cameras and we don't get the benefit of seeing this play out live, john? >> it's interesting, if -- 2023, 2024, there could be cameras in the courtroom and during a political campaign. some of the defendants. defendants there sarah murray, great reporting, thanks so much. with us now cnn legal analyst analyst former george -- and and karen friedman agnifilo, former chief assistant for the da for the manhattan district attorney's office. karen, let's start with you on -- optics are just not wanting to go? >> it could be any of those things. in georgia many several of those defendants have already -- entered pleas of not guilty and -- arraignment is an important part of the criminal justice process. and so, at some point, it will be important for trump and others to be in front of a judge, where the judge can tell them exactly what is expected of them and so that, if, for example he violates any conditions of his release the judge can say i told you, i told you can or cannot do this and then hold them accountable. but so far he has not seen any judge in the georgia case. >> no, not yet. and michael, on the issue of tv -- television cameras in the courtroom -- is that good or bad news for the prosecution or defense, do you think? >> i'm glad to be with both of you. i don't know that it is particularly good news for the prosecution. i think it allows things to become a bit of a circus, especially when you are talking about a case with this large and this many people. there's a precedent in the superior court of having tvs in the courtroom, and we've watched murder trials and they have -- youtube channel. and so this is nothing new. and not really unexpected. i think the reality though is that if trump stays in this fulton county superior court, you are just running a campaign ad for most of the time the trial is in progress. that's just the reality of where we are. i don't know if i expected to stay there. i expect him to try to plead his case to federal court depending on what judge jones does. still look at the order and make a decision about that. but we do have the ability to watch trials on television in fulton county. that's the public know but at the same time it provides a goody pretty good third ring for a three ring circus. >> karen friedman agnifilo, what about trump's efforts to sever his occasions from the other defendants? those defendants who filed motion for a speedy profit trial. he's like, he doesn't want any part of that. i >> think that's expected. and that will be granted. defendants in georgia can move for a super speedy trial. it's lightning speed. this is a month or two from now. and fani willis also today filed a motion for basically saying to the two defendants who have asked for a speedy trial, kenneth chesebro and sidney powell's, judge, tell them all the rights that they're giving by having a speedy trial. i want to make sure. and you have to tell them that and they have to say on the record that they understand for the speedy trial. i think any of the other defendants would say, i don't give up those rights. it forced to go to trial, a speedy trial, but they don't want those -- no, i don't give that up. i want time to prepare. and i want time to have notice of certain experts and call witnesses and all of that. so, i think this was something that you will see multiple defendants do. because, technically, the case is all join together right now. and the fact that it is starting soon, because to have asked for a speedy trial, it is more of a technicality that everyone else is going to have to move to sever, so that they don't go in that lane. but i think that they will get that. >> michael, one of the issues, which is imminent, because the judge is going to rule on a very soon, is whether to put mark meadows case into a federal court. and this is a decision that will actually have long-range implications, maybe on other cases as well. this has to do about whether his actions we're as a federal government employee, as the chief of staff to the president of the united states, or, if what he was doing, it was political work, it was campaign work. which argument, if they had to both file briefs today -- basically, the breeze had to make the case that he did one thing that was for a campaign. should be for state court? -- one thing that -- as a federal employee, should be in federal court? he made a better argument? >> it can go either way, i would say. i've read the briefs. and i feel like the meadows team made a better argument. they talk talked about the fact that the statute says that if anything is done, any act by someone, that it could be moved. they talk about the fact that the case law supports that. there's 11 circuit case law where we are. as well as u.s. supreme court case law. and in fact, just the horn book itself, the treatise that we all use, rely on -- says the same thing. what the state has done has said, look, he can't be a serving his official capacity because he was breaking the law. that's putting the cart ahead of the horse. that decision, whether or not he's guilty of a crime, happens at the trial. that's the purpose of moving it to another court. we are talking about here -- is there a plausible claim, some very small argument, but is there a plausible claim that something -- doing was further and insufficient job. things like setting up phone calls, setting up appointments, doing those things. and that's their. i think it's going to give the judge something to think about over the holiday weekend. >> it will definitely give the judge something to think about. remember, brad raffensperger, the georgia secretary of state, testified, karen friedman agnifilo, that he thought it was a campaign call. he thought it was inappropriate. he thought it was a political call. you have a gut instinct about what the judge might rule here? >> so, yes, i have a gut. and my gut is actually that it will be removed, not because it should be removed, the judge, federal judge, he sits on the 11th circuit, which is quite conservative, and then it would appeal to the supreme court, which is obviously very conservative. and i think knowing that he could be overruled, that could delay this case. i think he will ultimately, or potentially, remove it. i think he could. that's my gut. but from a legal analysis standpoint, there are three elements that mark meadows has to meet. one that he is a federal officer. one that he was acting, and doing his job. and thirdly, that he is a federal defense. and these motions that were filed today, meadows did make a good argument that the -- let the act, the actions he was doing -- work for his job. but fani willis talked about the defense, the federal defense. and her argument was quite quite clear. he has no possible plausible federal defense. so, i think that that argument, you might actually win. >> both judges have a big decision to make. karen friedman agnifilo, michael, thank you both very. much >> -- >> we have an update on mitch mcconnell's health after he froze for a second time yesterday. also what clarence thomas's financial disclosure form shows about the trips and favors he received from a billionaire friend, and what a former judge makes in the high court's ethics. later, the man hunt for an escapee sentenced to life for one murder and wanted for another. ys like a puppy again. his #2s are perfect! he's a brand new dog, all in less than a year. when people switch their dog's food from kibble to the farmer's dog, they often say that it feels like magic. but there's no magic involved. 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(sfx: ping) (♪) ♪ please don't go ♪ ♪ please don't go.. ♪ ♪ please don't go ♪ ♪ please don't go ♪ ♪ don't goooooo! ♪ (♪) ♪ don't go away ♪ (♪) ♪ please don't go ♪ >> the capitol physician medically cleared senate minority leader mitch mcconnell to continue his regular work schedule. it's not the whole story here. the fact that it was necessary is. coming a day after this moment which we should warn you is difficult to watch. >> what are my thoughts about what? >> running for reelection in 2026? >> -- [silence] >> did you hear the question, senator, running for reelection in 2026? >> -- >> all right, i'm sorry, y'all, we are going to need a minute. >> so, that was the second time this has happened on camera in as many months. the reaction of the people around him suggested to cnn's dr. sanjay gupta when we spoke -- this actually may have happened more than twice or least was not expected by his staff. cnn's manu raju joins us now with more. moderate, what is the senators office saying about this now? >> really not a whole lot, john, and in the immediate aftermath of the episode yesterday and eight aide said that he was experiencing light headed-ness. and he'd consult with a physician. before he go on to the next event. we have not even heard from senator mcconnell himself. he did attend a private event yesterday after -- congressman jim banks, running for the united states and, at a fund-raiser, people attending the event, said that he's abnormal, said he sounded fine, he was engaging. they did not talk about that issue at that event. but today, even though's office has not weighed in at all, mcconnell we have noheard from as well, they did release a letter from the capitol physician, a very brief letter from brian monahan, the physician, saying that occasional light-headedness is not uncommon in concussion recovery. it could also be expected as a result of dehydration. it doesn't really explain the root cause of this. -- medical experts raised questions about all of this. but it does point to the concussion that senator mcconnell endured when he fell, hit his head at a washington hotel back in march, and was sidelined for nearly six weeks, and he's fallen, have learned, a couple times earlier this year's is well. it's all raising questions about senator mcconnell's health. he's 81 years old. he's led the senate republicans for 16 years, john. >> manu raju, what are other senators saying about this now? >> there's a lot of questions still, john. the question is, how long can senator mcconnell remain as the republican leader? he is certainly expected to continue to serve through the rest of this congress. that ends at the end of next year. but what will happen after that? that remains the big focus. there is growing doubt. and he will remain leader until after the end of this congress, meaning there could be a leadership race in november 2024. and even some republican congressman, including one kevin hern, who asked about the, said that maybe -- the issues involving senator mcconnell than he has led on. >> did you see mitch mcconnell yesterday? he froze up. what do you think about that? >> i think it's tough. obviously, the fall that he had, was more -- that's what it's connected to. more damaging than most people thought. >> yeah. do you think that he should stay as leader as the senate republicans? >> -- >> john, congress has been on recess for pretty much for all of august. the senate comes back next week. so, senator mcconnell will have a lot of questions to answer from his own colleagues. and then -- tuesday evening, he will meet with his leadership team and the full republican conference on wednesday. >> it will be interesting to see if he is as visible as he normally is when the senate comes back in a. week manu raju, great to see, you thanks so much. >> thanks, john. >> today was financial disclosure day for two supreme court justices, clarence thomas and samuel alito. both, you will recall, with a subject of reporting in propublica and elsewhere on the gifts that they got, and the hospitality they enjoyed from wealthy friends. today, justices thomas and alito officially disclosed what they got in from whom. in justice alito's case it was a flight by private jet to a luxury fishing yacht -- billionaire -- trip to. rome and -- in a whole lot more. here's cnn's tom foreman. >> a pair of private jet trips in 2022, a vacation at an adirondack estate from -- those gifts to conservative justice clarence thomas from republican megadonor harlan crow among the disclosures in a newly-released financial statement from the justice. his lawyers say any earlier omissions or strictly inadvertent. this latest news has court critics enraged. >> how is it possible that we do not have a code of ethics that is binding upon the highest court in the land? >> i come from regular stock. >> this film on thomas was funded by the billionaire real estate man, harlan crow, who said he met the justice in 1996. they become became friends. both loved motown music never discussed cases. yet, earlier reports from propublica named harlan crow and three other big businessmen as ultra wealthy benefactors of the justice, giving him at least 38 destination vacations, including a previously unreported voyage on a yacht around the bahamas, 26 private jet flights, plus an additional eight by helicopter, a dozen vip passes to professional and college sporting events, two stays at luxury resorts in florida and jamaica, and one standing invitation to an uber-exclusive golf club. >> justice thomas has been living a life of extreme luxury for 30 years under written by at least four different ultra wealthy benefactors. >> in a five-page statement a lawyer for thomas called such hints of impropriety a partisan feeding frenzy and political blood sport. insisting that the justice has made no willful ethics transgressions, noting, for example, that thomas says in the new disclosure one of those private jet flights was due to an unexpected ice storm. another was because of increased security risk tied to the court upending abortion rights law. thomas earlier said he was told he didn't have to report everything anyway. so, other conservative defenders are calling this, as thomas has, just generosity among friends. >> is there only one fact that matter is if you cut through the noise. and it's that harlan crow and all of these friends in question had no business before the supreme court. full stop. >> still, some court watchers say these wealthy donors and thomas shared deeply held conservative beliefs. and with public faith in the justices already plummeting, they're cozy relationships could be costly to the court's reputation. john? >> tom foreman, thank you very much. perspective now from someone who has sat on the federal bench and, unlike this supreme court justices, actually a formal code of ethics that she had to follow. nancy girdner gertner -- lecturer at harvard law -- all tied to billionaire harlan crow. do you buy that? >> i don't buy it and i -- historian, propublica, that thomas had, at one point, disclosed the private plane trips by harlan crow. then there was an l.a. times article about it and the disclosures stopped. other judges have disclosed private plane trips. all of the experts say that the disclosure rules even before they were recently amended to clarify this issue, even before that, require disclosure of anything set personal hospitality. one of the plane trips was a flight to new haven to give a speech. he was well outside of personal hospitality. but let me just say, to the broader context, every every federal judge is listening to this. every federal judge that has been on the benches barred from taking money for speeches, is restricted to how much money you can get in teaching, is restricted to travel that is just, you know, economy travel. and the reason for that is not just actual impropriety. but it's the appearance of impropriety. it's the concern that we don't look like we are bought. and even if it's not true, it sets that appearance. and clearly what propublica's describing, which is the 38 destination vacations, et cetera, et cetera, certainly raises the appearance of impropriety, especially when they were not disclosed. >> the lawyer for justice thomas -- we just heard it from tom foreman they -- or criticize what he called, quote, a partisan feeding frenzy. and it all accounted to a political blood sport. what do you say to that? >> if this had been the case with anyone on the court, not just a trip here or there, and if it had been this kind of -- this dimension -- of support by wealthy donors, i have no doubt there would have been the same outcry. and there have been similar outcries in the past with respect to justices who have had these -- no one has done what thomas has done. but there has been that kind of outcry. it points out less than a partisan feeding frenzy. it says something about a court without rules. a court without ethical rules. that's what it speaks to. and it doesn't matter who the target is. it speaks to that more than anything else. >> and should it be taking a public outcry to even have this discussion going on? and who is responsible for creating these rules, in your mind? >> the disclosure rules have been in effect since the 1970s. they were the immediate response to watergate. so, they've been around. the justices have had to file disclosure reports. the ethical issues are one thing, and recusal, all of that. but these disclosure rules have been any fact. so, these are justices who have filed inadequate disclosure rules, who have failed to identify very, very substantial trips, and very substantial support. and the notion, for example, as justice thomas said in the latest disclosure, that he had to take a private plane after the dobbs decision because of security issues -- dobbs was in may of 2022. that hardly justifies all of the flights that predated that. then he said he needed to take one of these private planes for an ice storm. unless we're prepared to give a fleet of private planes to all of the federal judges on the public dime, that just doesn't make sense. but more significantly, this is someone who is simply giving the back of the hand to the existing disclosure rules. and that should be troubling, whatever side you are on. >> nancy gertner, we appreciate this. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> just ahead. after spending two nights anchoring this broadcast from florida to cover hurricane idalia, we'll go back there to -- check on the cleanup and recovery efforts from the storm that pummeled florida and other parts of the southeast after making landfall as a category three storm. brian todd is in perry, florida and, he joins us next. our ears connect us to the moments that matter. give them the nutrients they need with lipo. it's formulated with ingredients clinically shown to protect your ears from dizziness, ear ringing, and even hearing loss. never miss a moment with lipo flavonoid. 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>> you don't know what to think or how to think it. it is taking it one step at the time. >> this 83 year old woman and her 92-year-old sister were in their house when most of the they are roof ripped off. >> i thought was a tornado that hit. the roof flew off and then it started leaking. >> dale farmer says, although his home is damaged, it doesn't matter to him. he's just grateful to be alive. >> material things do not matter anymore. every day is a blessing we have, and every day i get up and tell myself, today is going to be the best day of my life, and today is the best day of my life. that's it. >> idalia made landfall near keaton beach about 22 miles south of perry as a category three storm. with maximum sustained winds of 125 miles per hour. across the region roads are littered with debris, power poles and trees, some completely ripped from the ground. then, there are unbelievable scenes like this, a home pretty much torn apart by the wind, no longer a roof covering it. yet, somehow the bed in this upstairs room looks virtually untouched. meanwhile, north carolina, seeing severe flooding today in places like columbus county. south carolina has already experienced coastal flooding and powerful winds, tearing down trees and power poles. in georgia, crews work to continue to restore power and clear roads. back in florida, residents and business owners in cedar key are also picking up the pieces from what is left after idalia. a process that i was on this small coastal island say they are not unfamiliar with, and one of the community always comes together for. >> as soon as you hear cat 3 and above, all the commune he gets together, the boarding up happens, the library gets empty, the museum, there is lots of prep. all of this can be rebuilt. >> back here in perry, alex alexis griffin says as far as stepping back in this house right now she's actually afraid to do that. in the broader picture the firm moody moodys analytics says there preliminary estimate shows that the hurricane has done about 12 to 20 billion dollars in damage. and lost output to the region, john, and they're still trying to figure out some of this damage. >> a lot of damage, to be sure. brian todd, great work. thank you so much. up next, they come without warning and their attacks are spreading across russia. the increase in drone attacks which are slowing turning the ukraine war -- slowly turning the ukraine war into a two front problem for vladimir putin. .. our low mileage is paying off. you think we should... hold... hoooold!!! hooold! now!!!! i'm on it. i'm, on it. already sold to carvana. go to carvana and track your car's value today. my active psoriatic arthritis can make me feel like i'm losing my rhythm. with skyrizi to treat my skin and joints, i'm getting into my groove. ♪(uplifting music)♪ along with significantly clearer skin... skyrizi helps me move with less joint pain, stiffness, swelling, and fatigue. and is just 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. skyrizi attaches to and reduces a source of excess inflammation that can lead to skin and joint symptoms. with skyrizi 90% clearer skin and less joint pain are possible. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine, or plan to. thanks to skyrizi, there's nothing like clearer skin and better movement... and that means everything. ♪nothing is everything♪ now's the time to ask your doctor about skyrizi. learn how abbvie could help you save. you're watching football wrong! what do you call a guy in face paint that can't get the game? 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>> it's extraordinary, as you said. i've just come back from russia, from moscow, and st. petersburg as well. and people are pretty complacent, still, about these drone attacks that are taking place on a daily basis. but i think -- part of it is that ukrainians want to change that. they want to show russians that a price is being paid for the war that is carrying on. for the most part, in their territory in ukraine. so, that is having some success, i think. but i think the primary reason for this change of tactics and this upsurge in drone strikes is that ukrainians want to really disrupt as possible the supply of troops, a supply of logistics, the supply lines to the front lines for the russian to make it as complex as possible for them, to really complicate their defense of those areas that the ukrainians are pushing against. they are still engaged in that summer offensive. it has not made a lot of progress as though it's making more progress as of recently. this is complicating things even further for russian military that is also stretched when it comes to its capacity in defending those very long frontlines in ukraine. >> matthew chance, as we said, recently returned from russia, thank you so much for that report. coming up, a man hunt involving dozens of federal state and local law enforcement agencies is now underway for an escaped convict who authorities say is extremely dangerous. we have a live report from philadelphia near where the escape occurred, next. this is how tosin lost 33 pounds on noom weight. i'm tosin. noom gave her a psychological approach to weight loss. noom has taught me how you think about food has such a... huge impact on your relationship with it. visit noom.com and start your trial today. >> state and federal law enforcement agencies are now engaged in a man hunt for convict described as, as, quote, extremely dangerous, after he escaped from a prison outside philadelphia. danelo cavalcante is in prison, or was, for the brutal murder of his former girlfriend, who the da's offices he stabbed 38 times. -- danny freeman joins us now from philadelphia. danny, what more do you know about this guy and how he got out of prison? >> john, the big question that we are frankly still waiting for answers for is exactly that. how did he egg exactly get out of this prison? long for some officials are not saying at this moment. but they are really trying to emphasize the message that you began with, that this suspected made is extremely dangerous. they are encouraging residents to stay inside, to be on high alert, as this multi agency man hunt continues. but john, i want to get back to what we do know about when this all started. law enforcement officials say they started around 8:50 this morning, thursday morning, and that's when inmate danelo cavalcante escape from the chester county prison. it is about 30 miles west of where we are in philadelphia right now. he was last seen at 9:48 am in the area and around the prison. and he was wearing a white t-shirt, gray shorts, and white sneakers. and john, that is important, because law enforcement officials believe he was able to change out of his prison garb after he ultimately escaped. why this strong language? -- this inmate was convicted in just the past two weeks of first degree murder. he was sentenced to life without parole just last week. and again, as you said, it was for fatally stabbing his former girlfriend 38 times in front of her children. and john, the motive, according to prosecutors for that murder that he was convicted of is because the girlfriend discovered he was actually wanted for another murder in brazil. that is why prosecutors said he ultimately killed his girlfriend, because the girl girlfriend was threatening to expose him. so, again, that's why law enforcement are saying that he is extremely dangerous. take a listen to the district attorney of chester county characterized him earlier today. >> his depravity knows no bounds. this is someone who has nothing to lose, as you indicated. so, i do not know what he is capable of doing. if he's already engaged in a murder in broad daylight in front of her two children, there is no stopping him from doing anything more aid reaches. egregious. >> and john, at this point, we know there are dozens of agencies out there searching into the evening. there's drones and helicopters at this point as well. john. >> did any sense of where he might be and what the danger might be to the general public? >> john, as you heard right there from the da, clearly a lot of concern from the general public and in terms of the to civic whereabouts, law enforcement have not been specific in terms of their details. they have said that they are searching generally in the six mile radius around that county prison. and i will say that low enforcement, actually, he does a family in the area. but they are in contact with him. it is for little perspective, john, for the murder that this inmate was accused and convicted of, the man here in question actually fled to virginia. that is where law enforcement agents were able to pick him up. police, of course, are hoping they can find him here after escaping from prison in chester county in the close area. john? >> all right, danny freeman, stay on this, keep us posted. thank you very much. >> cnn senior law enforcement analyst charles ramsey is with us right now. he's a former philadelphia police commissioner. also here is cnn law enforcement john miller, former nypd deputy commissioner. so, john, that he laid it out there, 8:50 he escapes a and an hour later he is seen walking in a t-shirt across the street. how does a guy get out? a guy convicted two weeks ago, how does he get out? >> if you look at the big picture in pennsylvania, we had the burnham escape in january. i think he escaped in july, rather, july -- we have the two inmates from philadelphia who escaped a philadelphia city jail. also, one wanted for murder, gang members. they were able to sneak out of their cell, use a look out, climb over two sets of barbed wire fence, and literally have a uber, not kidding now -- an uber waiting for them called in by a fellow gang member. they were also captured. so, what you are seeing here is prisons under pressure because of staffing levels, funding levels, guards having to work overtime, system breakdowns. but each one of these has to be looked out and examined. but you can't have murderers walking out of prison. so, it got chester county detectives looking for them. you've got pennsylvania state police who, based on what we're just talking about, have become pretty experienced in tracking these guys down. and of course, the u.s. marshals, who are the most expert man hunters for fugitives and escapees, all working together. >> chief ramsey, where you start when it comes to searching for somebody like this? >> you are going to start with an area somewhat near the prison. he had an hour head start, which is not good, and it's going to expand out from there, it probably already has. no doubt. you've got helicopters. you've got drones. you've got all these different law enforcement agencies. probably some door to door to make sure that people are aware that this individual is on the loose. he is extremely dangerous. he was convicted of one homicide, probably committed another homicide. so, he has absolutely nothing to lose. and so, he is a threat to the public, no question about that. but as john said, the u.s. marshal service is very skilled in this. this state police hours well. they -- eventually catch the sky. the hope is that he can't hurt anyone else before he is brought into custody. they will also be looking to see if he had any help. apparently, before he had friends that were there to help him. he wants to leave the country, apparently. so, he'd obviously have to be aware of that and make the proper notifications. so, they will do everything they possibly can to kind of zero in on this guy, and catch him, again, before he has a chance to hurt anyone else. but one last thing, john. nobody should escape from a detention facility, period. and i know staffing is an issue, all the stuff. but listen, you've got to have the right protocols in place. there is no point interesting people and putting them in jail if you are just going to let them escape. so, something is wrong in pennsylvania with all these escaped prisoners taking place. >> not to be glib, but you've got one job, when you have someone in prison, which is to keep them in prison. that is the number one thing there. john, how much of a threat do you think he poses to the public? what he's convicted of is a brutal, horrifying murder. and then, obviously now, wanted in connection for another murder in brazil. >> as both the prosecutor and the learned chuck ramsey have pointed out, he's got nothing to lose, it's not like he was going to go to jail for longer. so, he is a threat, key factors are going to be, does we have help on the outside? he had help escaping the first time from two friends, but i think he's going to find a shortage of friends. does he have access to weapons? his weapon of choice has been a knife. so, it's not hard to get access to that. so, yeah, he's a threat. five feet tall, 120 pounds, which actually could have been a factor now that he escaped. >> charles ramsey, chief, he was arrested the first time in virginia trying to flee. obviously, that might indicate that he might do the same again. how far do escapees typically get? is it difficult for them to get states away from where they start? >> it depends, if he's able to get access to a car, for example, and obviously the one of the things will be doing is checking to make sure he has any carjacks or auto theft, does he have anything like that? does he have access to a vehicle? can he jump on a freight train that happen to be going through the area? anything that might help him increase the distance away from the prison in a fairly quick fashion. now, when they saw him an hour later, he was still on foot, south of the location. so, hopefully he is still on foot, which means that the radius of the search can be a little smaller. but there is always that possibility that somehow he got access to a car or some other mode of transportation and is able to get away in a much further distance. that is why time matters. the longer he goes uncapped or, the further way he can be. >> chief ramsey, john miller, thanks to both of you. we will be right back. lla) fashion moves fast. setting trends is our business. we need to scale with customer demand... ...in real time. 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