a distance. several months and one blockbuster investigative report later, supreme court justices thomas and alito officially come clean on the goodies they get from wealthy friends. and the latest on a manhunt under way right now for this escaped inmate doing life in this country for one murder and wanted overseas for another. john berman here in for anderson. and tonight we know who's name will not be called next wednesday in atlanta's fulton county courthouse. the former president today waived arraignment, pleading not guilty to 13 counts, including a rico charge connected to his effort to overturn his defeat in that state. his attorneys also filed a motion to sever the case from kenneth chesebro and others being tried, at least for now in october under georgia's speedy trial provision. also today fani willis got a reprieve from the state's republican governor brian kemp who squelched a special legislative session aimed at removing her. governor kemp said he has not seen any evidence warranting it, adding he would follow the constitution regardless of who it helps politically. as for co-defendant mark meadows, we learned today that a ruling on moving the case to federal court could come at any time now that all briefs from both sides have been filed. and whichever way that goes, the fulton county judge who has god the case said today that all proceedings in his courtroom, all of them will be live-streamed and allowed to be televised. as for this guy, one of the thousands of americans who turned the former president's words into action on january 6th, he received one of the longest prison sentences yet, 17 years for joe biggs, a top member of the so-called proud boys. another member of the group's philadelphia chapter got 15 years. it is a busy night. cnn's sara murray starts us off. and sara, now that trump has pleaded not guilty and will not appear in court next week, what's next for him in this case in georgia? >> i think there is a question about when, if ever we might ever see donald trump in fulton county superior court. we did see from his attorney, his lead attorney in georgia steven sadow a motion to sever trump's case from another defendant. several have filed for a speedy trial, and the judge has said that will happen in october of 2023. in this filing, trump's attorneys says there is no way they're going to be ready to go to trial in october of this year. they're trying to force trump ahead on that timeline would violate his rights to a fair trial. there is also an open question about where trump is going to want to good to trial. we fully expect that his team is going to try to move his case to federal court, although they have not filed for this, and they may be frankly biding their time to see how this maneuver plays out for mark meadows. >> so let's talk about that. mark meadows, the duelling legal briefs filed late today regarding efforts to get his case moved to federal court. when is a ruling expected there? >> well, essentially the judge could rule at any time now. he should have all of the information after he held a full day evidentiary hearing and then asked for additional information, which both sides filed this evening. so it's really up to the judge to put his ruling forward in writing. and essentially, what we saw were two duelling arguments. the meadows team arguing everything he did he did as part of his duties as white house chief of staff. and even if there were things that he did that the judge didn't think were part of his duties as white house chief of staff, the whole case should still be moved to federal court. the district attorney's office argued look, we're accusing mark meadows of participating in a conspiracy that is not part of his efforts at being white house chief of staff. and so even if you may have found one act that he committed that was maybe related to those duties, it's not enough to move this case to federal court. and now we wait on the judge. >> so sarah, the judge in the fulton county case also weighed in on a pretty important issue. >> yeah. >> a big deal. cameras in the courtroom. what did he say? >> this is one of the things that could make this case very different from what we've seen in the trump cases that play out in federal court where cameras are not allowed. the judge in fulton county superior court said that he does plan to allow cameras. he does plan to allow recordings of anything involving this case. i think the question is who ends up in this case in fulton county superior court? who ends up in federal court where we don't have cameras and we don't get the benefit of seeing this play out live, john. >> and it is interesting. if it does happen in 2023 or 2024, there could be cameras in the courtroom during a political campaign for at least some of the defendants there. sara murray, great reporting. thank you so much. with us now, two cnn legal analysts, former georgia attorney michael moore and former chief assistant d.a. for the manhattan district attorney's office. and karen, i want to start with you on trump waiving arraignment and pleading not guilty through a court filing. this ababout convenience or opts or not wanting to go? >> it could be any of those things. in georgia, many several of the defendants have already entered pleas of not guilty and won't be attending their arraignment. but an arraignment is an important part of the criminal justice process. and so at some point, it will be important for trump and others to be in front of a judge where a judge can tell them exactly what is expected of them so that if, for example, he violates any of his conditions of release, the judge can say i told you, i told you can or cannot do this. and then hold him accountable. but so far he hasn't seen any judge in the georgia kachls. >> no, not yet. michael, on the issue of tv, television cameras in the courtroom. is that good or bad news for the prosecution or the defense do you think? >> well, i'm glad to be with both of you. i don't know that it's particularly good news for the prosecution. i think it allows things to become a little bit of a circus, especially when you're talking about a case this large with this many people. there is a precedent in the fulton superior court of having tvs in the courtroom. we've watched murder trials and they've published to it a youtube channel. and so this is nothing new and not really unexpected. i think the reality, though, if trump stays in this fulton county superior court, you're just running a campaign ad for most of the time that the trial is in progress. so they'll -- you know, that's just the reality of where we are. i don't know we expect him to stay there. i expect he'll try to move his case to federal court. depending on what judge jones does, he'll look at the executive order and make a decision about that. we do have the ability to watch trials on television in fulton county. so it lets the public know, but at the same time, it provides a pretty good third ring for a three-ring circus. >> karen, what about trump's efforts to sever his cases from the other defendants? there are these defendants who file motions for a speedy trial. he is i don't want any part of, they i think that is expected and i think that will be granted. defendants can in georgia move for a super speedy trial. this is lightning speed. this is a month or two from now. and fani willis also today filed a motion for basically saying to the two defendants who have asked for a speedy trial, ken chesebro and sidney powell, judge, can you just tell them all of the rights they are giving up by having a speedy trial? i just want to make sure. and you have to tell them that, and they have to say on the record that they understand for their speedy trial. i think any of the other defendants would say i don't give up those rights if forced to go to trial, speedy trial, that they don't want those. no, i don't give that up. i want time to prepare and i want time to have notice of certain experts and call witnesses and all of that. so i think this was something that you'll see multiple defendants do, because technically, the case is all joined together right now. and so the fact that it's starting soon because two have asked for a speedy trial, i think it's just more of a technicality that everyone else is going to have to move to sever so they don't go in that lane. but i think that they will get that. >> michael, one of the issues which is imminent because a judge is going to rule on it very soon is whether to put mark meadows' case into a federal court. and this is a decision that will actually have long-ranging implications. maybe on other cases as well. this has to do with whether his actions were as a federal government employee, as the chief of staff to the president of the united states, or if what he was doing, it was political work. it was campaign work. which argument -- and they had to both file briefs today. basically, the briefs had to make the case. if he did one thing that was for a campaign, should it be in state court? or if he did one thing as a federal employee, should it be in federal court. who do you think made the better argument? >> it could go either way. i tell you, i've read the briefs, and i feel like the meta's team made a better argument. they talk about the statute says if anything is done, any act by anyone it can be moved. there is 11th circuit case law where we are as well as u.s. supreme court law. just the horn book itself, the treaties that we all use as we study the law says the same thing. what the state has done is said look, he can't be serving his official capacity because he was breaking the law. that's putting the cart ahead of the horse. that decision whether or not he is guilty of some crime happens at a trial. and that would be -- that's the purpose of moving to it another court. we're talking about here is there some plausible claim, some very small burden, but is there a plausible argument to be made that something he was doing was in furtherance of his job, things like setting up phone calls, setting up appointments, doing those things. and that's there. so i think it's going to give the judge something to think about over the holiday weekend. >> it will definitely give the judge something to think about. remember, raffensperger, secretary of state testified he thought it was a campaign call, and he thought it was inappropriate. he thought it was political call. do you have a gut instinct about what the judge may rule here? >> yes, i have a gut. my gut it is will probably be removed. not because it should be removed. but i think the judge, it's a federal judge. he sits in the 11th circuit, which is quite conservative. and then it would appeal to the supreme court, which is obviously very conservative. and i think knowing that he could be overruled, that could delay this case, i think he will ultimately or potentially remove it. i think he could. that's my gut. but from a legal analysis standpoint, there are three elements that mark meadows has to meet, one, that he is a federal officer. one, that he was acting, doing his job. and third, that he is a federal defense. and these motions that were filed today, meadows did make a good argument that the actions that he was doing were for his job. but fani willis talked about the defense, the federal defense. and her argument was quite clear. he has no plausible federal defense. i think on that argument she might actually win. >> well, the judge has a big decision and has made clear it could come at any time. karen, michael, thank you both very much. a update on mitch mcconnell's health after he froze for a second time yesterday. also, what clarence thomas's financial disclosure form shows about the trips and favors he received from a billionaire friend, and what a former judge makes of the high court's ethics. later, the manhunt for a escapee sentenced to life for one murder and wanted for another. guys, c'mon! mom, c'mon! mia! 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(farmers mnemonic) the capitol physician today medically cleared senate minority leader mitch mcconnell to continue his regular work schedule. that's not the whole story here. the fact that it was necessary is, coming a day after this moment which we should warn you is difficult to watch. >> what are my thoughts about what? >> running for reelection in 2026. >> oh. >> did you hear the question, senator? running for reelection in 2026? all right. i'm sorry, y'all. we're going need a minute. >> so that was the second time this has happened on camera in as many months. the reaction of the people around him suggested cnn's dr. sanjay gupta when we spoke last night, this may have happened more than twice or at least wasn't expected by his staff. cnn's manu raju joins us now with more. what is the senator's office saying about this now? >> well, really not a whole lot, john. it really an aftermath of that episode yesterday. aides said he was experiencing light-headedness and he would consult with a physician before he would go on to the next event. we have not even heard from senator mcconnell himself. he did attend a private event yesterday after that event with congressman jim banks running for united states senate. a fundraiser. people attended the events that he sounded normal, sounded fine. he was engaging. they did not talk than issue at this event. but today even though his office has not weighed in at all, mcconnell we have not heard from as well, they did release a letter from the capitol physician, a very brief letter from brian monihan, the physician, saying that occasional light-headedness is not uncommon in concussion recovery and can also be expected as a result of dehydration. it doesn't really explain the root cause of this. medical experts raise questions about all of this. but it does point to the concussion that senator mcconnell endured, when he fell, hit his head at a washington hotel in march. he was sidelined for nearly six weeks. and he has fallen i've learned also a couple of other times this year, all raising questions about senator mcconnell's health. he is 81 years old and has led the senate republicans for 16 years, john. >> what are other senators saying about this now? >> there are a lot of questions. how long can senator mcconnell remain as the republican leader. he is almost certainly expected to continue to serve through the rest of this congress. that ends at the end of next year. but will happen after that? that remains the big focus. there is growing doubt that he will remain leader after the end of this congress, meaning there could be a leadership race in november 2024. and even some republican congressmen, including one kevin hern, who i asked about this said there may be some more issues involving senator mcconnell than he has let on. >> did you see mitch mcconnell yesterday? he froze up. what do you think about that? >> i think it's tough. obviously, the fall he had was more -- if that's what it was connected to, it's more damaging than most people thought. >> yeah. do you think he should say as leader? >> that would be for the senate to figure out. >> john, congress has been on recess for pretty much all of august. the senate comes back next week. so senator mcconnell will have a lot of questions to answer from his own colleagues. he'll meet with them on tuesday evening with his leadership team in the full republican conference on wednesday. >> look, it will be interesting to see if he is as visible as he normally is when the senate comes back in a week. manu raju, great to see you. thank you very much. today was financial disclosure today for two supreme court justices, clarence thomas and samuel alito. both, you will recall were the subject of reporting in propublica and elsewhere on the gifts that they got and the hospitality they enjoyed from wealthy friends. today justices thomas and alito officially disclosed what they got and from whom. ? justice alito's case it was a flight by private jet to a luxury fishing job hosted by a hedge billionaire and a trip to rome. in justice thomas' case, it was a whole lot more. >> reporter: a pair of private jet trips in 2022. a vacation at an adirondacks estate in 2014. those gifts to conservative justice clarence thomas from republican mega donor harlan crow are among the disclosures in a newly released financial statement from the justice. his lawyers say any earlier omissions were strictly inadvertent. but this latest news has court critics enraged. >> how it is possible that we do not have a code of ethics that is binding upon the highest court in the land? >> i come from regular stock. >> reporter: this film on thomas was funded by the billionaire real estate man crow, who says he met the justice in 1996. they became friends. both love motown music and never discuss cases. yet earlier reports from propublica name crow and three other big businessmen as ultra wealthy benefactors of the justice, giving him at least 38 destination vacations, including a previously unreported voyage on a yacht around the bahamas, 26 private jet flights, plus an additional eight by helicopter, a dozen vip passes to professional and college sporting events, two stays at luxury resorts in florida and jamaica, and one standing invitation to an uber exclusive golf club. >> justice thomas has been living a life of extreme luxury for 30 years underwritten by at least four different ultra wealthy benefactors. >> reporter: in a five-page statement, a lawyer for thomas called such hints of impropriety a partisan feeding frenzy and political blood sport, insisting the justice has committed no willful ethics transgressions, noting thomas says in the new disclosures one of the private jet flights was due to an unexpected ice storm. another because of increased security risk tied to the court upending abortion rights law. thomas earlier said he was told he didn't have to report everything any way. so other conservative defenders are calling this, as thomas has, just generosity among friends. >> really only one fact that matters if you cut through the noise. and it's that harlan crow and all of these friends in question had no business before the supreme court, full stop. >> reporter: still, some court watchers say these wealthy donors and thomas share deeply held conservative beliefs. and with public faith in the justices already plummeting, their cozy relationships could be costly to the court's reputation. john? >> all right, tom foreman, thank you very much. perspective now from someone who sat on the federal bench. and unlike the supreme court justices, actually had a formal code of ethics she had to follow. nancy gertner is currently a senior lecturer at harvard law school. you see justice thomas claim he inadvertently omitted a private real estate deal, plane travel and vacations all tied to billionaire harlan crow. do you buy that? >> no, i don't buy it. there is a story in propublica that thomas had at one point disclosed the private plane trips by harlan crow. then there was an l.a. times article about it, and the disclosures stopped. other judges have disclosed private plane trips. all of the experts say that the disclosure rules even before they were recently amended to clarify this issue even before that, you know, required disclosure of anything except personal hospitality. one of the plane trips was a flight to new haven to give a speech. he was well outside of personal hospitality. but let me just as a broader context, every federal judge who is listening to this, every federal judge who has been on the bench is barred from taking money for speeches, is restricted to how much money you can get in teaching, is restricted to travel that is just sort of -- economy travel. and the reason for that is not just actual impropriety, but the appearance of impropriety, the concern that we don't look like we are bought. and even if it's not true, it sets that appearance. and clearly, what propublica is describing, which is the 38 destination vacations, et cetera, et cetera, certainly raises the appearance of impropriety, especially when they were not disclosed. >> you know, the lawyer for justice thomas, we just heard from tom foreman there criticized what he called a, quote, partisan feeding frenzy and all accounted to a political blood sport. what do you say to that? >> well, i think if this had been the case with anyone on the court, not just a trip here or there, if it had been this kind of -- this dimension of support by wealthy donors, i have no doubt there would have been the same outcry. and there have been similar outcries in the past with respect to justices who have -- who had these kind -- no one has done what thomas has done, but there has been that kind of outcry. it points out less than a partisan feeding ing frenzy. it says something about a court without rules. a court without tropical rules. it doesn't matter who the target. it speaks to that more than anything else. >> should it be taking a public outcry to even have this discussion going on? and who is responsible for creating these rules in your mind? >> well, the disclosure rules have been in effect since the '70s. they were the immediate response to watergate. so they've been around. these justices have had to file disclosure reports. so the ethical issues are one thing, recusal, all of that. but these disclosure rules have been in effect. so these are justices who have filed inadequate disclosure rules, who have failed to identify very, very substantial, very substantial trips and very substantial support. i mean, the notion, for example, that justice thomas said in the latest disclosure that he had to take a private plane after the dodd decision because of security issues, dodd was in may of 2022. that hardly justifies all of the flights that predated that. and then he said he needed to take one of these private planes for an ice storm. unless we're prepared to give a fleet of private planes to all of the federal judges on the public dime, that just doesn't make sense. but more significant, this is someone who simply giving the back of the hand to the existing disclosure rules. and that should be troubling whatever side you're on. >> nancy gertner, we appreciate this. thank you very much. >> thank you. just ahead, after spending two nights anchoring this broadcast from florida to cover hurricane idalia, we're going go back there to check on the cleanup and recovery efforts from the storm that pummelled florida and other parts of the southeast after making landfall as a category 3 storm. brian todd is in perry, florida tonight and joins us next. our ears connect us to the moments that matter. give them the nutrients they need with lipo. it's formulated with ingredients clinically shown to protect your ears from dizziness, ear ringing, and even hearing loss. never miss a moment with lipo flavonoid. 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>> it's extraordinary, as you say. i just come back from russia, from moscow, from st. petersburg as well. and people are pretty complacent still about these drone attacks that are taking place on a daily basis. but, i mean, i think part of it is that the ukrainians want to change that. they want to show russians that a price is being paid for the war that's carrying on for the most part in their territory in ukraine. and so that's having some success i think. but i think the primary reason for this change of tactics and this upsurge in the drone strikes is that the ukrainians want to really disrupt as much as possible the supply of troops, the supply of logistics, the supply lines to the front lines for the russians to make it as complex as possible for them to really complicate their defense of those areas that the ukrainians are pushing against. they're still engaged in that summer offensive. it's not made a lot of progress, although it's making a bit more recently. and this is complicating things even further for a russian military that is also stretched when it comes to its capacity in defending those very long front lines in ukraine. >> matthew chance, as we said, recently returned from russia. thank you so much for that report. coming up, a manhunt involving dozens of federal state and local law enforcement agencies is now under way for an escaped convict who authorities say is extremely dangerous. we will have a live report from philadelphia near where the escape occurred, next. 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well, this gentleman, this inmate was convicted just in the past two weeks of first-degree murder. he was sentenced to life without parole just last week. and again, as you said, it was for fatally stabbing his former girlfriend 38 times in front of her children. and, john, the motive according to prosecutors for that murder that he was convicted of is because the girlfriend discovered he was actually wanted for another murder in brazil. that's why prosecutors said he ultimately killed his girlfriend, because the girlfriend was threatening to expose him. so, again, that's why law enforcement are saying that he is extremely dangerous. take a listen to how the district attorney of chester county characterized him earlier today. >> his depravity knows no bounds. this is someone who has nothing to lose, as you indicated. so i don't know what he is capable of doing. if he is already engaged in a murder in broad daylight in front of her two children, there is no stopping him from doing anything more egregious. >> and john, at this point, we know there are dozens of agencies out there searching into the evening. they're using k-9s, drones and helicopters at this point as well. john? >> do they have any sense about where he might be and what the danger might be to the general public? >> well, john, as you heard right there from the d.a., clearly a lot of concern for the general public. in terms of the specific whereabouts, law enforcement haven't been specific in terms of their details. they have said they are searching generally in the six-mile radius around that prison. law enforcement mentioned he does have family in the area, but they are in contact with them. just a little perspective, john, for the murder this inmate was accused and convicted of, the man here in question actually fled to virginia. that's where law enforcement agents were able to pick him up, police hoping they can find him here after escaping from prison in chester county in the area. >> keep us posted. thank you very much. cnn senior law enforcement analyst charles ramsey is with us now. he's a former police commissioner. also here, john miller, former nypd deputy commissioner. so, john, danny laid it out there. 8:50, he escapes. an hour later he's seen walking in a t-shirt along the street. how does a guy get out, a guy convicted two weeks ago. how does he get out? >> so, if you look at the big picture in pennsylvania, you know, we had the bern m escape in january -- july, rather. july 6th. he was captured on the 15th. we had the two inmates from philadelphia who escaped a philadelphia city jail, also one wanted for murder, gang members. they were able to sneak out of their cell, use a lookout, climb over two sets of barbed wire fence and literally have an uber -- not kidding now -- an uber waiting for them called in by a fellow gang member. they were also captured. so, what you're seeing here is prisons under pressure because of staffing levels, funding levels, guards having to work overtime, system breakdowns. but each one of these has to be looked at and examined. you can't have murderers walking out of prison. so, you've got chester county detectives looking for them. you've got pennsylvania state police who, based on what we've been talking about, have become pretty experienced in tracking these guys down. and of course the u.s. marshals all working together. >> chief ramsey, where do you start when it comes to searching for someone like this? >> well, i mean, you're going to start with an area somewhat near the prison. i mean, he had an hour head start, which is not good, and it's going to expand out from there. it probably already has, no doubt. you've got helicopters. you've got drones. you've got all these different law enforcement agencies. probably some door to door to make sure that people are aware that this individual is on the loose, he is extremely dangerous. he was convicted of one homicide, probably committed another homicide. so, he has absolutely nothing to lose. so, he is a threat to public, no question about that. but, as john said, the u.s. marshal service is very skilled in this. the state police are as well. they will eventually catch this guy. the hope is that he can't hurt anyone else before he is brought into custody. they'll also be looking to see if he had any help. i mean, apparently before he had friends that were there to help him. he wants to leave the country, apparently. so, you obviously have to be aware of that, make the proper notifications. so, they'll do everything they possibly can to kind of zero in on this guy and catch them, again, before he has a chance to hurt anyone else. one last thing, john. nobody should escape from a detention facility, period. and i know staffing is an issue, all this stuff. but listen, you've got to have the right protocols in place. there's no point in arresting people and putting them in jail if you're just going to let them escape. so, something is wrong in pennsylvania with all these escaped prisoners taking place. >> you know, you've got one job when you have someone in prison, which is to keep them in prison. that is the number one thing there. john, how much of a threat do you think he poses to the public? what he's convicted of is a brutal, horrifying murder. and then obviously now wanted in connection with another murder in brazil. >> as both the prosecutor and the learned chuck ramsey have pointed out, he's got nothing to lose. it's not like he's go to go to jail for longer, so he is a threat. key factors are going to be, does he have help on the outside? he had help escaping the first time from two friends. but i think he's going to find a shortage of friends. does he have access to weapons? and you know, his weapon of choice has been a knife. so, it's not hard to get access to that. so, yeah, he's a threat. 5 feet tall, 120 pounds, which actually could have been a factor in how he escaped. >> charles ramsey, chief, you know, he was arrested the first time in virginia trying to flee. obviously that might indicate that he might do the same again. how far do escapees typically get? is it difficult for them to get states away from where they start? >> well, it depends. if he's able to get access to a car, for an example, and obviously one of the things you'll be doing now is to make sure have you had any carjackings, any auto thefts, does he have access to a vehicle? did he jump on a freight train that happened to be going through the area? anything that might help them increase the distance away from the prison in a fairly quick fashion. now, when they saw him an hour later, he was still on foot south of the location. so, hopefully he is still on foot, which means that the radius of the search will be a little smaller. but there's always that possibility that somehow he got access to a car or some other mode of transportation and is able to get away a much further distance. that's why time matters. >> certainly does. >> the longer he goes uncaptured, the further away he can be. >> chief ramsey, john miller, thanks to both of you. we'll be right back. 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