apologized for over a false story. and even max kennedy will respond to vikram of who called him the grand wizard of the modern. but first, mark meadows, he took a big risk today by taking the stand. -- charged in efforts to overturn election results in georgia. and now he is arguing that his case should go over to federal court instead. today, there was a mini trial of sorts. one that's many legal experts have said may have put him in deeper trouble. cnn's jessica schneider is here to tell us what happened in that hearing today, jessica? >> abby, we are now waiting for the federal judge in georgia to decide of mark meadows case can be moved to federal court. meadows testified for several hours today, he tried to make the case that everything that he did was within his official duties as chief of staff for trump. he talks about that infamous phone call to georgia secretary of state where trump of course asked raffensperger to find him more votes. meadow excused the call, saying that trump believed that there was fraud in georgia, he was trying to come up with a way to resolve the issues without going to court. raffensperger himself also testified and called this kind of outreach from a presidents chief of staff setting up the call extraordinary in his words. so we will see which way the judge rules and if meadows can get his case out of state court, abby? >> yes, very much important developments today, jessica, thank. you stand by for us. here with me in the studio is former gop congressman and host of the white flag podcast, joe walsh. also, wall street journal, white house -- associate professor at law of law at georgetown university -- former federal prosecutor jeanne rossi. i want to start with the lawyers at the table, both of you. jeanne, the georgia secretary of state, brad raffensperger testified today as well. he was on that infamous call, trump is looking for his 11,000 votes. what do you think his testimony will mean for mark meadows overall argument? he basically said the call was political and what trump was asking him was inappropriate? >> well, the thing he did that really hurt his case is that he said he was acting at the behest of donald trump. you can complain about how a -- handles your money. but you cannot rob it. so what donald trump did is he devised a scheme to affect the electoral vote, and he brought mark meadows in and helped him execute the scheme. if you met mark meadows did that came out of that hearing is that he violated the hatch act. you cannot under any circumstances claim color of law if you are violating the hatch act. so he shot himself in the foot. >> but he's saying everything that i did, broadly speaking, was part of my responsibilities because it's the president of the united states. anything that he wants goes? >> yes, well, it has limitations. but the hatch act says that you can only do certain things, even as a chief of staff. so when he tries to make the argument that he is acting under the law and that's how he gets into federal court, he cannot make that argument because he is violating the law when he is working for donald trump. >> so, mark meadows on the witness stand today, a mistake? or a strategy? >> it certainly makes me want to cringe as a defense attorney, he was subject to cross-examination, he was on the stand for hours. and the defense doesn't know what the prosecution has in this case. the prosecutors do, they were able to cross examine him with an eye towards a trial. and anything he said could be used against him at that trial. so risky move for sure. >> yes, i mean, from the political view of sabrina, what is trump world thinking and seeing when they see this all unfold? >> well i think they are watching this very closely. meadows is not the only one who is looking to have this case removed, moved to a federal court. so i think when you look at the strategy from meadows team, it's a big, gamble because he is a defendant in a criminal matter, putting him on the stand opened up to cross-examination. but the idea here, this is according to meadows team, that federal law prohibits states from prosecuting u.s. officials who are carrying out their official duties. they can get it moved to federal court, they will try to argue that meadows is immune to the charges against. tim they're also trying to draw on a more diverse jury pool than the heavily democratic fulton county. and so i think people are going to be watching, i think, the judges decision here very closely. and saying -- a very broad interpretation of the scope of a chief of staff to say i am just a gatekeeper, almost positioning themselves as secretary. i had to be on every meeting, i had to be on every call. you have that up against the very powerful testimony of georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger who said, no, i viewed this as campaign activity and found inappropriate in the federal government, does not have a role in certifying the results of the state election. >> i think beto's attorney at one point described meadows as trump's alter ego, a bizarre way to describe it. look, the raffensperger piece of it, such a stark reminder that but for a few people of conscience, where would this have all gone? >> oh my god, that phone call, i mean, to the trump's chief of staff is almost to violate the hatch act. >> that's actually mark meadows argument. >> yes, and team trump will be watching this. [inaudible] federal court as well. but no, meadows knew exactly what he was getting into when he signed up to be trump's chief of staff. and now this is coming to bite him in there and. >> one of the interesting things is that meadows denied some very specific parts of the allegations against him in the indictment that he was a part of a meeting in which he and trump asked a staffer, a senior staffer, john mcentee, to draft a plan for what would happen on january 6th. he said he does not to remember that meeting happening, or does not recall. that is a very specific denial it seems to me, given that, i would assume, prosecutors would have some evidence? >> oh, absolutely, and when i started tries my prosecutor's case as a prosecutor, one of the things that used to love is when someone said i cannot recall when you have evidence that they could not possibly have forgotten what happened. and here is the other thing that came out of that hearing. it was very subtle. the prosecutors are holding back evidence that is not in the indictment. and there was one email that was used on cross examination. and they're holding back. so this indictment is not the fulsome exposé of everything they have. they are lying in wait with evidence, text messages and emails, it's gonna come back to haunt mark meadows at the trial. >> and now they have a window, as you were kind of going out earlier, into what the defense counter argument is going to be. in some ways it could be a gift to the prosecutors at this trial, that is happening? >> absolutely. this is just not the kind of thing that experienced defense attorneys do. i mean, it's just such a risk for the defense this early on in the case. >> yes, well everyone standby, we have a little bit more that happened today in all of these legal developments, we are also learning that a trial date for trump's federal election interference trial will collide with the peak of the republican primary season. i want to go right back to jessica schneider, jessica? >> trump's attorney, abby, is telling the judge that six months is just too fast for him to provide proper representation for the former president. the judge though essentially scolded that attorney, john lauro, for not doing more to prepare when trump's team knew the special counsel was investigating and knew that there was an indictment likely coming. so now the trial start date is set for march 4th, 2024. now prosecutors are saying that they have already handed over nearly 13 million pages of documents. but also saying that trump's team should be familiar already with the majority of these documents, and should be able to review what is left relatively quickly. so this march 4th trial start date, it could slide, let's likely not by much. abby? >> very fascinating, thank you, jessica. back to the table here, judge chutkan is not messing around here, she's, like we are gonna get a date on the calendar. okay? everyone's gonna be ready. do you think of that date is appropriate though? this is a very significant and very sprawling case? >> okay, i'm from the -- where things move a lack routine. so the march 4th a date doesn't alarm me. i will say this, in favor of donald trump. there is a ton of discovery, a ton. and i respect judge shrunken is trying to set a deadline of march 4th for the trial. however, i predict you are gonna have motions in january and february that are gonna push that trial date back just a little bit, so if i had to bet money, and i don't battle of money, i am looking at june or maybe may for this trial. >> yes, well i just think it is fascinating. this is not some overworked public defender who is defending donald trump. this is, you know, we know that trump has raised tens of millions of dollars for his legal defense. i think it is hard for the defense to argue here that they don't have the resources to go through this discovery. >> although, we are talking about maybe, what, 12 million documents? >> while the government did identify several hundreds pieces of evidence, where pages of documents. they described as a roadmap to their case. there's not something that -- kind of seems like he is getting a little bit of an advantage with that roadmap, kind of seeing with the governments cases focusing. on >> i do want to say one thing, to compare donald trump to the -- and boys, powell versus them alabama, that is beyond beyond. and that is -- >> can you explain? >> that's a case involving 1980s, african american, accused of two white women, one of whom were candid. they had trials in about a week of being indicted, and to say that donald trump is similar to those kids who were prosecuted? that to me is classic -- >> that's the kind of thing that clearly could inflame a judge that you don't want to not be on your side in the case like this. the, i, mean speaking of some questionable decisions -- this is coming at a time in the calendar that puts its mark dab in the middle of the primary season. and literally a day before super tuesday. >> look, i have spoken to trump aides who acknowledge that this is going to be a challenge for the former president, his court appearances and legal proceedings, there is no way around the fact that they will take trump off of the campaign trail and at critical points in the republican primary calendar. and so they are looking into what some other ways may be that he can connect with voters. maybe through virtual events or town halls. now, what we do, no and we are already seeing the beginning of that. that the trial is very much going to become the heart of his reelection campaign. his grievances, this idea that he is being politically persecuted despite all of the evidence detailing his activities and his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election. i mean, the trump campaign has already been fundraising off of these indictments, off of every development. and, look, he has not suffered in any capacity with respect to republican primary voters. if anything, he has such a commendable lead, that's the primary. of course is going to be a very different matter when you have the side by side with former president trump sitting in a court room and president biden on the campaign trail talking about the economy. in a general electorate, you can tell a very different story. >> that's the point. trump's legal fight is his campaign. him sitting in a courtroom is going to be him campaigning. and every republican i have talked to today has said the election interference, they have screamed election interference. in this just adds to that narrative that the entire justice system is gaining up on trump. i think politically, this helps them in the primaries big-time. >> although, let's be honest, the race could be over. you could be over by the time we get to super tuesday. before we get to super tuesday even. effectively. so, voters may not even have the benefit of seeing this trial go to its conclusion. >> frankly, the only thing that appears to move some republican primary voters is the possibility that he is convicted. but i don't think a conviction would come until the nomination has already wrapped. up so would really be about how independents and suburban voters who were critical to biden's victory in 2020 view the charges against him. and the trial in a general election. >> the information they have now might be the information that they have going into the voting -- thank you all very much for being with us tonight. up next for us, new video showing the jacksonville shooter before his racist attack $1 general store. i will speak with the sheriff of jacksonville next, and with the security guard who confronted the shooter outside of a historically black college. he joins me now on what he saw and how he prevented further bloodshed. plus, republican candidates vivek ramaswamy defends his comments on white supremacy and comparing some on the left to black people to the modern kkk. that's next. we really don't want people to think of feeding food like ours is spoiling their dogs. good, real food is simple. it looks like food, it smells like food, it's what dogs are supposed to be eating. no living being should ever eat processed food for every single meal of their life. it's amazing to me how many people write in about their dogs changing for the better. the farmer's dog is just our way to help people take care of them. ♪ this is how tosin lost 33 pounds on noom weight. i'm tosin. noom gave her a psychological approach to weight loss. noom has taught me how you think about food has such a... huge impact on your relationship with it. visit noom.com and start your trial today. 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do you if any sense of the why here? >> i wish i did. i can't tell, i wish we could have figured this out. we can't tell what his intentions were. all we can do is surmise based off what we have seen that he had an intention to, i think, and this is what our, this is what we think collectively, that his initial target was going to be the first store he was talking about. he went there for a very long time, i don't know if seeing that security vehicle stopped him. i believe that's what it was, he did not want to face anyone who would create some sort of issue for him. >> he was looking for people perhaps that he didn't know or that didn't confront him, that's what you're saying? >> that's correct, i don't think he wanted to have any confrontation whatsoever that would stop him from doing what he wanted to do. >> that is interesting and obviously very disturbing. you also said that the shooter had a chance to shoot at people at the university that historically black university in jacksonville. can you tell us more about what your investigation has found about why he didn't, if he had the opportunity? >> i think he had goal in mind. based off what we have been able to find, you worked at $1 tree. he went to another family dollar store. then he left there, went and got changed at our local hbcu, left there to go to dollar general. i don't know why, i can guess but i don't know why. >> the suspect also left behind writings to his parents, the media, federal agents. what can you tell us about those writings? what do they say or reference that would help us understand what his mindset was going into this? >> they say quite a bit. they are -- they are filled with a lot of hate filled language towards many different races of people. primarily against blacks, he did not like anything. he didn't like the government, he didn't like republicans, he didn't like democrats. he thought the system was a complete failure, he didn't like the lgbtq community, he didn't like anything. he even mentioned some other groups that i think it's speculation that he's connected to. you mentioned those groups, he didn't like those groups. so he was just a confused but appointed and driven and determined young man. >> you mentioned other groups. are you saying that there were broader groups that may be people might assume share his views that he specifically mentioned that he did not associate with? and what are those groups? >> he mentioned one in particular that wears a wire service, that's all i will say. he didn't like that group. he mentioned that group. like i said, he was not confused, he knew what he believed. he was not confused, but organized ramblings is the best way i can describe it. >> i know that, obviously, this moment that your community is in pain. but there has been a lot of reaction at the national level. one has come from a presidential candidate vivek ramaswamy. he recently dismissed this idea of white supremacy. i want to take a listen to what he had to say. >> the reality is we have created such a racialized culture in this country in the last several years that right as the last few burning embers or racism or burning out, we had a culture in this country created by media and establishment and politicians that throw kerosene on that racism. >> this is obviously an attack that was targeted at black people in a predominantly black part of your community. you are also a black man. what is your response to that? >> clearly that's racist. we know that. i believe 100% -- do i believe that our country is full of people that want to kill each other because of what we believe? i've been in this community for a very long time, and that's not representative of who we are. but there are outliers, there are people that don't like other people for the race or for being black, for being jewish, for being a religion. that exists. white supremacy, maybe he was. i believe he was by listening to what he said and the things that he wrote down. those things exist, those people exist, but as a whole, in the city, i believe we are a great city. we are great people and i believe that when i went to a prayer vigil yesterday there were people from every walks of life that was their. there is a jewish rabbi that was there, there are white people that were there, there were black people that were there, and just the vision that you hear about so much in our country. i was sitting in rome's full of all sorts of people every single day that we look at each other and we take care of each other. >> our hearts continue to be with your community and these moments. it's sad what has happened, but we see the goodness of people when they come together in times like this sheriff t.k. waters, we appreciate you very much. >> thank you for having. me >> up next to hear a security guard who confronted that jacksonville shooter why he was at the university. antonio bailey joins me in just a moment. you can't leave without cuddles. but, you also can't leave covered in hair. with bounce pet, you can cuddle and brush that hair off. bounce. it's the sheet do you struggle with occasional nerve aches in your hands or feet? 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>> well, they advised that they had seen him putting on tactical vests, putting on gloves, a mask, a hat, so they advised that we needed to check that vehicle out. >> when you got to the scene just describe to us what did you see? what was suspect doing, what was he wearing? >> at that time is we were actually sitting inside of the same parking lot of side suspect. one of the students alerted us at that time we did try to make contact with the suspect. he was inside of the vehicle at that time. >> did you ever see him outside of the vehicle at all? did you ever have any communication with him at all? >> i did not see him outside of the vehicle he was inside of the vehicle at the time that we were alerted. >> was it clear to you in that moment that's a someone who is on his way to commit an act of mass violence? >> at that time we did not know what his intentions were. we just knew that we were alerted that he was on campus putting on tactical clothing and gloves. >> as he was leaving you all pursued him for sometime. were you alerting the jacksonville sheriff's department at the same time about this person that you saw? >> at the time that we were behind that suspect, we were just trying to get outs much information. we knew that he was not supposed to be on the university campus, especially being in tactical gear. so we just want to get as much information as we could about vehicle information, any information we could get at that time so that we could relate to the sheriff's office. we are actually communicating with our private emergency dispatch center at that time. >> what did you tell them? >> we were telling them that we have a suspicious person on campus that was it getting dressed in tactical gear and letting them know that we were actually trying to get more information at that time. >> do you think that he would have launched a rampage at the school had you not been there to confront him? >> that i cannot say. i have no idea what was going through his mind at that time or what his intentions for. >> now we do know that he had an ar-15 style, assault style weapon with him. it was marked up from what we have seen with racist symbols. as you think about that and what could have been, do you think that you would have been prepared to confront someone like that while on duty? >> when we come to work every day, we are prepared for what is to come. when you put the uniform on, as security and law enforcement, this is what we signed up for. to protect others. >> all right. lieutenant antonio bailey, thank you very much and i know that the students on that campus are grateful that you were there for them that day. thank you. >> you are welcome. >> up next, the ramaswamy is under fire tonight for downplaying white supremacy and claiming that a black lawmaker and the author of a very popular anti-racist book are the ones actually pushing racism. >> these are the words of the modern grand wizards of the modern kkk. >> that man, ibrahim kennedy is here to respond. plus, a gold star family of a marine that was killed in afghanistan. getting an apology from fox news over a fall story. why didn't we do this last year? before you were preventing migraine with qulipta®? remember the pain? cancelled plans? the worry? that was then. and look at me now. you'll never truly forget migraine. but qulipta® reduces attacks, making zero-migraine days possible. it's the only pill of its kind that blocks cgrp - and is approved to prevent migraine of any frequency. to help give you that forget-you-get migraine feeling. don't take if allergic to qulipta®. most common side effects are nausea, constipation, and sleepiness. learn how abbvie could help you save. qulipta®. the forget-you-get migraine medicine™. my brain. so i choose new neuriva ultra. unlike some others, it supports 7 brain health indicators, including mental alertness from one serving. to help keep me sharp. try new neuriva ultra. think bigger. here's how tommy lost 30 lbs on noom weight. i'm tom. noom helped him use psychology to lose weight. the mindful aspect made me feel more conscious about what i was eating and why i was eating it. it's actually working. lose weight and make it last with noom weight. my cpa told me i wouldn't qualify for the erc tax refund, so i called innovation refunds. their team of independent tax attorneys will work with your cpa to determine if your company is eligible. 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these aren't my words. these are the words of the modern grand wizards of the modern kkk. >> the man he is talking about there, abram ex kennedy, joins me now. he is the author of, as mr. ramaswamy was saying, how to be an anti racist. he is also the director of the center for anti rita racist resourced at boston university. thanks for being here, i want to just get your reaction to what do you heard him saying there, comparing you and congresswoman pressley to the modern grand wizards of the. >> i think it is incredibly dangerous, the clue ku klux klan is the oldest and quite possibly the most violent white terrorist group or really terrorist, domestic terrorist group in american history. they have engaged in generations of violence against black people, against, against all sorts of groups they don't agree with. and they have also expressed ideas of racial hierarchy and white supremacy. ideas that i and congresswoman pressley have repeatedly and constantly challenged. so it's incredibly dangerous, especially in this moment where, you, know all sorts of reports pointed to white supremacists as the greatest domestic terrorist threat of our time, to be comparing people to them that have spent their lives challenging them, and actually who the klan hates. because the klan really does not like me. >> look, yesterday on cnn's state of the union, he was pressed about this. and pressed about the violence of the, and how that could possibly compare to anything that you or congresswoman have said. but he said that he wanted to provoke a, quote, honest discussion in this country. so just help us here, what would it honest discussion on race in this country and this moment actually look like? >> i think we would start with racial disparities and inequities. we would identify the evidence that points to, for instance, let's say black people are more likely to be impoverished were incarcerated or killed by police or dying of heart disease and cancer. we would also recognize that there is nothing inferior about my people as a group. so they must be policies and practices that are leading to those disparities. and as americans we should come together to identify and eliminate those disparities. that is an honest conversation based on evidence. and based on notions of racial equality. >> there is a difference of opinions i think here between you and ramaswamy about whether it requires actively, you know, addressing racial wrongs in order to address them in the future. but that's kind of rhetoric from him doesn't seem to be part of that conversation. i do wonder, though, this is happening on the campaign trail. right? he is one of several candidates of color in the republican race, but he is doing really well and is making these arguments at a particular moment for him in this race. why, do you think this is a part of why he is doing so well right now? >> without question. unfortunately you have too many candidates, particularly republican candidates of color, who recognize that one of the ways in which they can sort of boost to their political appeal to right republicans is by telling them that they are not racist. and then turning around and attacking those who are pointing out racism as the real problem, has the real racist. we have seen candidate after candidate be boosted, particularly candidates of color, by essentially feeding white republicans there denial. and that is all vivek is doing. he knows that. and the irony is that it's based on racism. and it's based on his skin color at the same time that he is claiming racism is no longer an issue. >> thank you for joining us tonight and responding directly to all of that. >> thank you for having me. >> coming up next, a bogus story from fox news forcing the network to apologize to a gold star family. -- she was killed in afghanistan and her family joins me live up next. hi, i'm sharon, and i lost 52 pounds on golo. i realized i needed to make a change when i looked in the mirror and did not recognize myself. i saw the golo commercial and i liked how they weren't actors. they just seemed like people that were just happy with themselves and had true results. since being on golo, i truly feel like i'm back to the best me i can be. try golo. it worked for me, and i'm real. 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( ♪ ) constant contact. helping the small stand tall. fox news is now issuing an apology to a gold star family after facing backlash over a false story that it published last month. fox claims that the family of fallen marine sergeant nikolski, who paid $60,000 to ship her remains back from afghanistan because the pentagon refused to pay. now, sergeant gabby was killed in a terror attack along with 12 other service members at the kabul airport back in 2021. in a statement, fox said, quote, now unpublished story has been addressed internally, and we sincerely apologize to the guy family. that apology comes after a report on military.com which drew attention to the story. it also indicated that fox's top top executives had peter-levi notified by senior members of the green accord that it was publishing a fabricated story. i want to bring in now the mother-in-law of fallen marine sergeant nicole gee, christine shambling. kristie, thank you very much for being here. just help me understand this, first of all, did you hear from fox directly? and are you satisfied with what they said about what happened here? >> yes, i heard from folks directly and we spoke with them. >> what did you hear from? >> i couldn't tell you, i'm so sorry. >> these things aren't common for me. >> yes, i understand. >> i don't remember specific names. but i think it was a really good example of people with the very best intentions getting misinformation and crossed facts. and i think the answers are coming out and, that's appreciated. we just want transparency and honesty. >> so if i am understanding this correctly, there is a policy that requires family members of fallen service members to pay upfront for a funeral transportation bigotry second location. but the pentagon would reimburse them. and in your family's case, he didn't pay anything. >> correct. >> how did your, you know, nikole's story get mixed up in what just seems to be a narrative here that is false. >> you know, in the process of transporting her remains after we received her dover, it was confusing and hectic. once we got her to her hometown of rome's mount, california, where she was honored by all of her family and friends and teachers, people that she grew up with. we as a family became aware that we would need to pay for her transport to arlington we, as my son had chosen to willey her to rest their. and we were fortunate enough to have a nonprofit. we are working with -- how the private donor we donated his time and services. so no bills were ever received, no money was ever paid, there was no refusal by d.o.d. to pay a bill, because we never had a bill we. my hope in bringing it up was so that future families wouldn't have the worry at the time of trying to win figure out how to transport remains. >> it has been two years, actually, two years two days ago since you lost nicole. and i can feel it, it's still a fresh loss for you. but you are here in washington for a reason. tell us what you still want to see come out of a tragedy that happened to her. >> i want to see positive change, nicole was an advocate for positive change. advocacy for positive mental attitude, and i believe we can do better. there is going to be more evacuations, we are going to need to rescue more people. and i want our armed services to be safe doing that. and if we can do anything to make those processes work better next time, that is my aim. to make a better process forward. >> what else would you like people to know about your daughter in law? >> she was an amazing encourages. she always wanted every single person to just be the best that they could be given their current circumstances. she really was an advocate for positive mental attitude. and i try hard to bring that forward to everybody. >> you do on her, and thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you for being here. >> coming up next, for us, it has been 60 years since the march on washington brought us some of the most powerful words in history, but it wasn't just those words, it was also the music that was just as influential. the sounds that brought the nation together and inspired musicians in the generations to come. that's up next. i just found the biggest weight loss hack for ya'll! ♪ the truth is there is no quick fix... ...but there is a more effective way to lose weig and it isn't what you think. it's actually noom. it's two times more effective than doing it on your own. get started right nowby ta. ♪ chevy silverado has what it takes to do it all. with up to 13 camera views. and the z71 off-road package. ♪ you ok? 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today i should say, laura, is also the anniversary of the killing of emmett till. it is a really heavy week. but also, when you hear, that those words are just timeless. and we need it now. >> it's so poignant, i mean, honestly i'm a huge fan of sam cook. i always have. been between twist the night, away all the way through the poignance at that. i always think about the malcolm x movie with spike lee, there is that famous scene where you have that sort of film q that spike lee does, and he is watching somebody move, and that's the song, but they're pulling hial