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the people of jacksonville. he didn't have more to say than that, but in the meantime, cnn's isabel rosales is outside the dollar general in jacksonville. there was a vigil there in the community that was going on just a short time ago. perhaps it's still happening right now. isabel, what more are you learning? >> jim, the vigil is wrapping up right now and it's just been a mood of resiliency, a unity, the people of jacksonville to figure out how to make this country a better place. this is councilwoman jacoby pittman. >> yes. >> you've been leading a vigil here and it's been a day since this shooting happened. what can you tell us you're hearing, seeing from your community? >> well, you know, my community has been hurting and they want answers. i'm saddened, you know, for this to happen in broad daylight in the middle of a community that thrives, and i wanted to bring all of the leaders who are lawmakers, who can really just make a difference and that's from state, local and federal, and today to just see the beautiful crowd that wants to do something, but why we are here is to address the victims that were hurt by a person who thought it was not robbery for him to come in our community and kill somebody. you know, i'm saddened. my heart hurts. i'm mad, and if i was a fighter i would want to kick somebody's behind, and i just want to say that today is a testament of what this community believes in in terms of unity. >> you're actually trying to do something actionable and that's raising money for these families that need some help right now to bury their loved ones. tell us about it. >> absolutely. the father was a breadwinner of the family and he had a small child and he takes care his family. >> jerrald gall on. >> too young. no life should be taken. he wasn't a thug. he wasn't in a gang. he was a person that had just joined the church and really just trying to get his life back and this happened. it was undeserving, and right here in this community. we've done study ps we don't need more studies, we understand what the community needs and i had the sheriff and the mayor and the city council and the divine nine, all who have initiatives in the community and they came here to show solidarity and i am forever grateful as well as faith-based communities. >> we could speak forever on this. tell me what people -- who are watching this now not from jacksonville need to know about this community? >> i tell you what, we are proud of this community and what we've done from an economic standpoint, we want to make sure that you help us get to the finish line, and i'm asking you all to go to -- i can just make sure that i didn't just make that up, the jacksonville firefighters.com, and i want to make sure because i just got it today. i really need the money to help the people here. >> for mental health, as well. >> absolutely. we need the whole package, mind, body and soul. >> thank you so much, councilwoman. >> thank you all for coming. >> back to you. >> isabel rosales, thank you all very much and thanks to the councilwoman, as well, and i am joined now by human rights activist martin luther king iii and president of the drum major institute and also joining us the director of the antidefamation league jonathan greenblatt. martin, to you first. we were just talking about this just before we came on the air. you were here in washington yesterday participating in the 60th anniversary of the commemoration of the march on washington and this violence down in jacksonville, to my understanding, broke out as you were marching. can you talk about that? yes. that is absolutely correct. we assembled a huge, huge coalition including the adl, including greenblatt, including religious leaders, including leaders and including the lgbtqia community and the latino, hispanic community and the islamic community and the n native-american community. the higher point is we are talking about ridding our society of hate and hostility and while we're talking about this, 60 years after dad delivered his vision for our nation that kind of violent, beyond understandable hate behavior takes place and three tragic lives are lost. first of all, our condolences are sent to the families and to the community of jacksonville. the question is what are we going to do about it? it was reported that this young man was able to buy a gun with no checks, apparently, legitimately, buy guns that are used to kill people. the president has been talking about getting rid of assault weapons. there's not enough of a desire at this time. there are many of us who do want to see that. somehow we've got to come together as a nation and say not just enough is enough. we have to go even further. we do seem some kind of a different kind of plan. darkness can't put out darkness, only light can do this. violence will never stomp out violence, only love can do that. >> andrea, we do live in a country where hate exists. we saw this gunman in jacksonville, he had a swastika joel scrolled on one of his weapons and we were trying to talk about this at the end of the program yesterday, how do we get to a better place in this country where this isn't happening because it keeps happening over and over. >> you know, it really is -- yesterday was so heartwarming and uplifting and heartbreaking, and when we talk about organizing the march on washington with the 60th anniversary with nan and the other partners there was a lot of conversation and chatter saying we are, it's very different than 1963, and i think that yesterday at the end of the day demonstrate the parallels, the uncanny parallels as to where our country is in 2023 are as where it was in 1963 and one of the main reasons i say that is after the original march on washington, three weeks later, four little girls were killed in the bombing in birmingham. >> right. yesterday, the same day when you had almost 200,000 americans standing together for the best of who we are in humanity, we also saw the worst of who we are in humanity. we saw the manifestation of love and the manifestation of hate just as we saw in 1963. so i think it demonstrates that we are in a critical juncture here in our nation. i think it also begs each of us to ask what type of world do we want to inhabit? do we want to inhabit yesterday what we saw at the lincoln memorial, everyone standing shoulder to shoulder, no violence and the humanity and the tapestry of love and do we want to love in a world where we see hate and devastation. so now i think it's up to each one of us and i think it will take legislation as well as liberation of the soul. martin luther king jr. said i can't stop a man on eye can't legislate a man from loving me -- to love me, but i can legislate him from lynching me. so he understood that it's going to take both a moral moral legislation and legislation and that is what we're facing now in 2023. >> jonathan, let's talk about the case a little bit. law enforcement telling us that this gunman was a lone wolf, but can you truly be a lone wolf if you're a neo-nazi or white supremacist with swastikas on your gun? >> first of all, like martin said, our heart goes out to the victims of this and amdrea said this, it was a heart lifting day and a heartbreaking moment to see this happen, and while this man, as far as we know at adeon, had no known ties, let's be clear. he had accomplices. social media companies that allow this filth and poison to spread across their networks, they owe all of us -- not just an apology. they need to be accountable because that attack yesterday, that was an attack where three people were gunned down just because they were black, but that attack on black americans is an attack on jewish-americans and it's an attack on all of us because we need to recognize if black people are not safe, then none of us are safe, that's why i am so proud to stand with martin with amdrea, with reverend al and we will take this coalition and we're going to use hope to fight hate. we have got no other choice. >> yeah. >> and the work has to continue and martin, tomorrow marks the 60th anniversary of your father's "i have a dream" speech. your thoughts, here we are, 60 years later and on the same day that you're down in washington on the national mall, violence, racially motivated violence, hate violence breaks out in jacksonville. your thoughts on 60 years later and maybe, if you can, what would your father be thinking right now? any insights? >> well, there are two schools of thought. the first one is had my father lived we would be thrust in a different trajectory, so i don't think we would be necessarily addressing this kind of issue. i think he would have worked to create a culture of non-violence many years ago. we have accepted this culture of violence and it's destroying us and it creates decay. if he was to come today and look at things, he'd be deeply disturbed because he would know america is much better than the behavior we are exhibiting and as has been said by amdrea and jn than, we have to create a consciousness. we have to arouse the consciousness because when people engage, changes occur. so tomorrow morning i'm going to be thinking about 60 years ago there was great hope for at least at the time the march was taking place, at the time of the speeches were being delivered and then just a few days later there's always -- dad used to say there's always a pushback, there's an in, vittable pushback whenever there is a perception of progress. so evil is always lurking. we have the ability as a human kind to overcome, and that's what we've got to work on. we need to look to the future. we understand the past, but we need to look to the future. there are many other things. history has been written out and especially black history. books are being banned about the holocaust and so many other things about the history of people. you know, our daughter has fewer rights today than she did when she was born. she's 15 years old. in 2008 she had more rights than she does in 2023. that is unacceptable, but it only changes when we come together. we can't give up. we can't give out. we can't give in. >> jonathan, this is no time to be banning books and trying to whitewash white supremacy. >> 100%. let's be clear. the ugly racist who murdered these people, the vicious anti-semites who spread well lies, the cruel home phones and anti-semites they're attacking all of us. i'll say it again. an attack on black people is an attack on jewish help, and an attack on jewish people, is an attack on black people. >> questioning the veracity of the hol wauft. i don't know what to tell you. the only answer is to dig deep and press forward and not let the white supremacists and the ugly bigots win. >> amdrea, is part of it there needs to be a greater push through peaceful means for a better country, and not just on the 60th anniversary of the march on washington, but every day. >> absolutely, and we were always clear with this particular march that we saw it as a beginning and not an end. we saw it as the beginning of truly building this coalition of conscience in this nation. you can't play footsie with hate and that's what's been happening just literally down the road just, you know, a few weeks ago. neo-nazis were standing outside of disney world. you know, and then a few months before that, i had the distinct pleasure yesterday of hugging a.j. owens' mother, a black woman who was slaughtered for doing what any mother would do defending her kids. you know, we really need to look at what's going on in this country. we need to look at what's happening in the state of florida. you're talking about not teaching history. you know, teaching history is about collective -- it's not about collective guilt and it's about collective responsibility. you're talking about not teaching history in a state where roles would happen. so we have to really now -- we have to stand up and stand for the kind of nation 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>> we'll get a preview of the evidence that she has. it's a little bit of a mini trial. the issue isn't whether he did bad things and whether trump did bad things and the issue is whether or not what meadows was doing was basically under color of his federal office and that's the language in the statute -- >> what does that mean? >> what it means is when you are arguably working on behalf of the united states of america and the answer is clearly, he was not. he's been saying that i was exercising my first amendment rights you are engaging in political speech and that's not what you -- you were for us. you're not supposed to be working for the trump campaign when you are chief of staff. so the answer is he went down there in his own private capacity, either that or he was violating that, and he went down there in his private capacity and engaging in political activity in support of the trump campaign and there's no way that that should be held under the color of federal law. >> it's got to be one or the other. >> it's got to be one or the other. >> fani willis, i kind of wonder what the strategy will be for the fulton county district attorney because she also has a trial to prepare for and she can't necessarily be laying all of her cards on the table. >> she doesn't have to. she'll put raffensperger on and my guess is going to be -- raffensperger will go through what happened was when trump made that phone call, was it january -- >> yeah. right before january 2 nd. there had been a full audit of the georgia results and there had been a re-count of the electoral votes that biden had been certified as the winner and the elector his been chosen and the elector his sent their votes to washington, so there was nothing -- >> and there were people inside the trump campaign. >> right. >> and the white house saying forget it. it's over. >> right. the people telling the fake electors to be fake electors were campaign people not government people and beyond that, there are so many arguments here. >> yeah. >> the united states constitution and the federal election laws do not put authority in the president of the united states to monitor any elections, even federal elections. that's not his job. it's the job of the states and if there's a violation of law there could be enforcement by the justice department, but it doesn't put the president and his chief of staff and give it any direct role in monitoring the security of elections and here there was no issue of the security of the elections and it was about stealing it. >> you and i talked about trump so many times. do you think there's any way p00115309. i'm trying to call it that. >> it's a series of numbers. >> right. i just wonder, is there any chance in the world this he would ak iccept a plea deal. he put never surrender in that ad and his fund-raising appeal with his mug shot. never surrender and going into a play agreement would be surrendering. >> i don't think he would do that. maybe if he got a full and complete pass he might think about it, but i just don't -- the problem is a guilty plea would require him to admit fault and admit wrong and he is basically the quintessential malignant malignant narcissist, and he won't admit error. he can't admit that he weighs more than 215 pounds. >> right. if he's 6'3", 215 pounds i'm tom brady. >> that was tom brady's rookie numbers in the combine. >> sadly, i am not 6'3", 215 pounds. you think some of the other co-defendants might plea. >> i think so -- what does that do to the case? i think it streamlines the case of the district attorney which is good and focuses more on the defendants who are remaining and it's in the best interest of many of those people to plead because they don't want to go to jail. >> right and a george state prison. that's not the place to be. >> want to ask you about the debate. during wednesday's debate, asa hutchinson, the arkansas governor was the only person to not raise his hand when asked if he would back trump as a nominee if he's convictsed in a court o law? >> christie? he did this and then he went down and many -- >> maybe we can give chris christie a little bit of the doubt and maybe he's in there, too. what did that say to you? >> it said to me about -- >> about party and this primary -- >> party is going nowhere fast. the metaphor that keeps popping into my head is or similar, i compare it to the malaysian airlines flight, and i know it's a terrible comparison, but kuala lumpur, it was supposed to go to beijing and the crazy pilot flew south into the indian ocean and ultimately ran out of gas and no one was ever seen again. here you have gop air and you've got this nut job locked in the cabin and he's flying off to nowhere. you've got, you know, people in first class like pence who is -- i don't know, maybe watching the barbie movie because mother is asleep and you've got -- you've got, people just sort of pretending nothing's happening. you've got hutchinson and christie running up and down the aisles saying, this guy's flying us to nowhere! it's a disaster and then all of the people in the back are saying oh, we like the pilot and it's too late for them. >> but in all seriousness, and the party right now is all trump. >> no, no. >> it's all donald trump. >> that's right. >> do you see any potential for any of these other candidates to erngs merge and knock him out of the race? >> no. with my extended metaphor i was trying to make, if they had time to turn the plane around four or five years ago they could have made it back. they can't now and they're in the middle of the ocean and even if they got control of the plane it's out of gas and half way to antarctica. it's a disaster for the republican party and the smart people in the party kind of know that, but they can't did anything about it. >> and i would imagine you talk to people in the party -- >> you know, i'm not going to divulge conversation, but they don't divulge that to me in the sense that they're not going to share that with me, but they know better. they absolutely know better. >> george conway, great to see you as always. appreciate it. join us next hour for a special look at what you need to know as the case against trump faces a major test on monday. don't miss election '24. the campaign and the courtroom at 8:00 eastern right here on cnn. we'll be right back. age is just a number, and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure®igh protein. boost® high otein. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. len more at boost.com/tv after advil dual action back pain... yo! uh! ha! ha! 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>> well, i don't think it's hurting him. he raising money. he's also taking away all of the attention from his republican opponents at this point in the primary which is very early, but we just had a first debate and what we're hearing about more is the mug shot, and it helps to define him, meaning his entire character revolves around being the person fighting the establishment that's out to get him, so he's using this or trying to use this to play into that narrative, so it doesn't hurt him and whether it helps him we will see in the next few months. >> and you write in your piece for cnn.com/quote, with trump facing an array of legal troubles is just another booking or just another day in what is just another example of trump being trump. you go on to say it's dangerous that this could be losing its shock value. i think you maker a go a good p and with trump nothing shocks us. >> here we're talking about four indictments and two indictments that revolve around the former president trying to overturn the election that he lost, and yet it's a new story. it's not the new story so i contrast it to 1974 when the nation is swept up by watergate and that is the question that americans are wrestling with, there's outrage and shock. today i suspect within a few days even if not already a lot of the public has moved on, and i think this is part of the trump effect and there's a numbness that the policy gets toward these scandals and toward the issues at the bottom of the scandal that i think is damaging to us as a nation. >> and i presume if trump is the nominee the mug shot is going to be living with us for some time because i can't imagine how the biden campaign and the democrats would not show that mug shot over and over and over again between now and november of 2024. the presidential photographer says he thinks that trump's mug shot will be the most published photograph in history. what do you think? >> i'm sure that's correct. some of the publications coming from the trump campaign themselves, but it will be part of what the biden campaign wants to argue. this is why it's dangerous not to elect the democratic candidate, but to question again, is there outrage? is there any sense of shame within the republican party that causes them to agree to that or causes voters to move to biden who are not already in that camp? and i think at this point in american history that's an open question and we just don't know if this will have that impact. >> and knowing what you know about presidential politics, presidential history, the way we're seeing this republican race for the presidential nomination, shaping up right now, is there really anything standing in the path of trump getting that republican nomination next year? >> not much. i don't really see it and everyone raised their hand just about at that first debate about whether they'd support him if he was convicted. those hands went right up and even former governor christie's hand kind of went up and that said a lot and look at the polls. he is far ahead and he's the dominant force in the republican party right now, so to knock him down will depend on him somehow taking himself out of this amp camp and i just don't see him doing that right now. >> julian zelizer, great to talk to you. thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. still ahead, florida is preparing for a likely hit of a hurricane. the latest forecast is just ahead. stay tuned for this. you will not want to miss it down in the going because it is very likely heading in that direction. you are live in the cnn "newsroom." so why do we leave so much untapppped potential on the tab? 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