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"cnn tonight" with laura coates starts right now. >> thanks, abby. good evening, everyone. i'm laura coates. you know that moment when you wonder if it's the end of the beginning or the beginning of the end? in the words of al pacino in scent of a woman, we're just getting warmed up. we've got four trump indictments and the real story is really about to begin. remember every single thing contained in those indictments, well, they're only allegations. the prosecutor actually has to prove all of it to a jury and not the one in the court of public opinion, but in the actual court of law. but the big question, of course, is which court? well, that's the question that donald trump's former chief of staff mark meadows has been asking and in georgia because e wants a federal court, not fulton county. but it takes more than just wanting something to then make it so, right? you've got to prove why it should be the case. and under the law, any federal employee may remove a criminal case to federal court if they're being prosecuted for things that they did in the course of their official duties. emphasis on the word "official," of course. we'll talk more about tonight w what exactly the officials duties of a chief of staff are, and do they include getting involved in, say, state election? but wait, there's more, everyone. you also have have some kind of federal defense. there has to be some federal def defense. one law that's being mentioned is the supremacy clause, one that tells you the federal law trumps the state's. if you've got a federal law saying i cano what i did, a state court shouldn't be hearing a case about it. you stay in your line. i'll tell you what, i'll stay in mine. but then again, just because you're a federal employee, it doesn't mean that everything you do is untouchable in state courts. holding the office itself does not hold the prosecutor at bay. no. meadows has to prove that what he was doing was actually part of his official duties and that it was authorized by federal law. and he's got to show that he didn't do more than what was necessary and proper to do his job. now, the allegations in georgia say that he was interfering with the certification of a state's election. will the court believe that that could be part of one's job duties? and did i mention, by the way, that what you do can't be done for personal or criminal reasons, only what is authorized by the law, of course. so mark meadows and any other defendant, if they feel they can meet those standards, they've got every right to try to get their case removed. but it's also more than just procedure at the end of the day. i told you it's about who meadows might want to hear his case because if it goes to federal court, then he gets to select from a much wider jury pool in the northern district of georgia, not just fulton county where biden, by the way, beat trump by almost, what, 243,000 votes. no, it's atlanta, gainesville, noonan, rome. that also means different counties include cherokee, clayton, cob, dekalb douglas, newton, rock dale. you know who are the members of congress from those different counties? take a look. in fact, biden did beat trump in nine out of these ten counties. but, of course, when it comes to an acquittal -- and this might be where someone looking for removal thinks about it -- it only takes one. i want to bring in former nixon white house counsel john dean, also chris whipple, who literally wrote the book on chiefs of staff, the gatekeepers, as well as "the fight of his life: inside joe biden's white house." also here is jason willick, an opinion columnist at "the washington post." let me begin with you, john dean, because for many people looking at this -- and you know this quite well -- the web of ople who havalleged to have been involved in this kind of activity, when you hear about the allegations of one mark meadows and the fact that he was the chief of staff in particular, at what point do people realize that it goes beyond the normal, hey, i'll make a call for you, sir, we'll get someone in contact with you, and it might sound and become criminal? >> it sounded to me as soon as i read that he had actually traveled to georgia and personally tried to intervene and inspect an audit that was going on. that is not chief of staff kind of activity. that's trying to swing your weight as chief of staff and doing things that normally a lesser light in the white house would do. that was the troubling thing for me and looked way beyond the bounds of a chief of staff's responsibility. >> chris, you wrote the book literally on chiefs of staff. i'm curious to see your take on this. for most people, they might have a pop culture reference of what a chief of staff is supposed to be. "west wing" might come to mind. they might have some notion of chief of staff from a more caricaturized notion. when you look at the role of a chief of staff, tell everyone what is actually is supposed to include and at what point does your job description become confined to this small sphere and cannot touch the campaign or the election world? >> well, you know, the white house chief of staff is many things. he's the president's gatekeeper, his confidant, his so-called javelin catcher. he's the person who executes the president's agenda, and of course, most important of all, he's the person you count on to tell the president hard truths. that's an area where, sadly, mark meadows utterly failed to carry out his duty as white house chief of staff. and let me just say as a kind of overarching point, there used to be stiff competition for the title of worst white house chief of staff in history. eisenhower's sherman adams, who was involved in a pay ola scandal, nixon's h.r. haldeman served 18 months for watergate crimes. george w. bush's john sununu was run out of town after using government transportation for personal purposes. but their crimes, their misdeeds, pale in comparison to what mark meadows has been charged with. i would never minimize watergate, especially with john dean on a panel. but think about it. >> smart man. >> think about it. h.r. haldeman went to prison for covering up a botched attempt to bug the opposition. mark meadows is accused of orchestrating a mafia-style shakedown of a state official for nonexistent votes and, oh, by the way, enabling the overthrow of american democracy. so he owns the title of worst chief of staff lock, stock, and barrel in my view. >> i want to bring in jason willick to the conversation as well because you've an opinion columnist. you actually think, i mean set aside the list that chris is talking about of who the worst chief of staff may have been. i don't think anyone wants that title. but i think he might actually be successful in movinging his caso federal court. why? >> well, i do think he might be successful. i think it's telling that he's not charged in jack smith's federal indictment with breaking federal law. in fact, in jack smith's federal indictment, he's described as urging president trump to stop the rioting on january 6th. he's described as telling president trump that the recount, the signature verification in georgia, is going in an exemplary fashion. so the way he's portrayed is a lot more mixed than the way he is in fani willis' indictment. i think that tells us at least something about whether he was acting within the scope of his duties because if he clearly wasn't, i think jack smith might have been more interested in charging him with breaking federal law. as you mentioned, you though, this test is a complicated test. for his case to be removed to federal court, it doesn't need to be shown that he's totally immune, that he's totally in the right. it just needs to be shown that he has a colorable defense. i think that's possible. >> colorable meaning straight-faced, there is some support even if you fail in the end to prove it's true. it will be a kind of evidentiary hearing, but there was a lot of ifs in terms of what needs to happen to get there. let me bring john dean in on this point because there's a lot of string of ifs in terms of if this is the case and the duties. this all comes down to in many respects, john dean, this notion of, look, were you acting under a colorable claim of your official duties, the color of office? the elections are the purview of the states, of course. and so one might scratch their head and say, well, what business would a chief of staff have in trying to talk about the certification of a state's election? what do you say? >> laura, it's going to be very difficult for mark meadows to get this information in evidence. it's inconceivable they're going to put him on the stand and subject him to cross-examination at this early stage, yet he's got to get this information in front of the judge. what they did in their motion was cite from an, in a selective way, from the indictment and sort of spin it the way they wanted it to appear. and there is an argument if you take their read. i think when they get to court on the evidentiary hearing on this, it's not going to look as close or as fuzzy as it does right now. and i know that jack smith was well aware of the removal problem. and there's also the possibility that this could stay part of it in state court and part of it in federal court. that exception is available and could well exist. so the big loss to me in going to federal court is no cameras, and i think the american public needs to see all this. >> well, certainly we were watching what has unfolded in the past, january 6th, watergate, the impeachment hearings. there is a huge public interest in all of these. gentlemen, thank you so much. i'd love to have you back on again. >> sure. now, also donald trump and 18 co-defendants were charged, as you know, in georgia's 2020 election subversion case. well, they all surrendered, all of them by the noon deadline, some days ago, some a long time ago. you know, one of them is still in jail tonight. i'll tell you who and why next. so 19 co-defendants. look at this yearbook photo of sorts, everyone, including the former president of the united states. you see him in the top left there, donald trump. they have now surrendered in fulton county, but only one of the people here, harrison floyd, is actually still in jail. remember he is the leader of the black voices for trump, and he is accused of violating georgia's rico statute, influencing a witness, and conspireing to elicit false statements. unlike his other co-defendants, floyd was unable to negotiate a bond agreement before his surrender. and today a judge was refusing to even set his bond. >> judge, you find that based on the open charge against you, there are grounds for bond to be denied at this point. so i'm going to find that you are a risk to commit additional felonies and a potential risk to flee the jurisdiction. so i'm going to deny bond but a full consideration of bond will be addressed by judge mcafee. >> that's, of course, the judge who will be overseeing and has been overseeing a majority of this so far. i want to bring in senior reporter for the root jessica washington and clint rucke so happy to see both of you here tonight. jessica, you've got a piece out in "the root" talking about this very issue, how floyd is one of only two black defendants in this case. he's still in jail, and i might note this has been talked about as a more notorious jail, fulton county. what is happening here? any insight as to why it is he's still there and that judge made that decision? >> yeah. so there's kind of two things happening. the first thing is that he did not have counsel going into it from everything we understand, particularly fm e hearing today. and so unlike the other defendants whoegiated a bond agreement beforeoing in, he didn't do that. so he was immediately detained once he came to the jail. and the other defendants got to come in and then leave and post their bond. so that happened initially. but then at this hearing today, we also saw his secondary charge -- or the charge that actually came before this in may. that was brought up as well. he was charged for assaulting an fbi officer, and so that was a reason that the judge found that he should be denied bail today. so there's kind of two things happening. >> you're nodding along there, clint. first of all, explain to the audience what exactly were the circumstances as to why this was an assault on an officer, who i think was serving a subpoena in connection with another matter. tell me what that was about. >> right. and good evening, laura. thank you for having me. i really appreciate it. jessica's absolutely right, though. i will tell you the most significant reason why mr. harrison is still in custody is he has himself as his lawyer. there could have been pretrial discussions with respect to that previous case, which we know is the outstanding warrant from maryland based on the assault of the federal agent who was attempting to serve a subpoena. and you could have also negotiated a pretrial release by way of an agreed-upon bond in this case so that he could have had much the same process in effect as the other defendants that we saw. what we know about the previous case is that mr. harrison is claiming that he did not know the identity of the individuals who were approaching him to execute the service of the subpoena. but, of course, that will be a question for a different day, for a different court. but certainly the judge in this case found that the two cases combined, in her opinion, showed a propensity for mr. harrison to commit crimes, and so she was able to deny bond based on the criteria here in georgia. >> and real quick, clint, when you think about that, she seemed to be referencing another judge. she did not want to be the ultimate decision maker on this case. tell me why. >> right. well, here in the fulton county judicial circuit, there are, as in most judicial circuits, there is court rules that kind of govern what judges are able to do and not do. and in this case, mr. harrison, because he was already indicted by a fulton county jury, laura, as you know, he was not entitled to what is commonly referred to as a first appearance hearing or a commitment hearing wherein a magistrate will look at his charges, inform him, and set bond. in this case, because the case is already indicted, it is technically assigned to judge scott mcafee. judge scott mcafee will make all decisions with respect to his case. so as the judge in this case today indicated on the record, judge mcafee will consider bond for him at the arraignment hearing. >> important to note. jessica, thank you. and floyd is accused of playing a role in arranging a meeting between a fellow co-defendant and treveon custddy and electio worker ruby freeman. that's no small offense considering what they know what they're said to have endured in their testimony about the pressure campaign against them. what more can you tell us, jessica? >> yeah. so the specifics of this case, kind of how they pressure -- i mean particularly we can see this is something that was really a hardship for ruby freeman. it's not to say the fact he's being held and we're talking about a two-tier justice system, we're talking about the fact this is someone who was held while everyone else has gotten off. it's not to say what happened there isn't important, but i do think happened was really -- was awful for ruby freeman from everything that we know from her testimony. i think we're going to hear a lot more about it as this case eventually goes to trial. >> there is something very telling in just the optics of the appearance of one person remaining in jail in fulton cond another, the former president, within 20 minutes able to leave with that pre-negotiated notion. by the way, we're talking about the ideas of a two-tiered justice system. while all the attention is on fulton county and what it looks like in this jail, i hope people are paying attention to the other jurisdictions across this country where we could have the same conversation about a two-tiered justice system and some conditions and unsanitary conditions that those who have a presumption of innocence continue to face today. thank you so much for both of you being here. >> absolutely. thank you very much. >> thank you. look, there are four criminal indictments, everyone. you got a mug shot, and you got donald trump as the front-runner still for the republican rnc nomination. so up next, what did president joe biden have to say about all of this? 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>> that's actually kind of funny. i like the part when i was complimented, and i wonder, is he actually running against me? that's an interesting question. joining now to talk about it is former adviser george w. bush and john mccain, mark mckinnon, and cnn's political commentator van jones. i saw you tip your hat. i love you. let me start with you because you were the most gentlemanly of the bunch just now. you heard ramaswamy, the lavish praise for trump. his hand practically flew off the hinges when he was asked the question whether he would pardon him if convicted. in a place where everyone is wondering where everyone is vying to be the v.p. except mike pence, what do you think is his strategy? is he looking for that or a cabinet position, or is he really trying to be the president? >> well, anything and all of the above. i mean one thing we know about president trump that vivek, i'm sure, shares is he knows that running for president is the brightest spot in the world. he never intended to be president. he was an accidental president. but he ran because it was the hottest stage in the world. vivek ramaswamy, it was no surprise that he exceeded expectations because nobody knew him. he has supreme confidence, and he's not bound by anything he's ever done before because he's never been in politics. we know now that he's almost never voted before. so he can say anything. he's like the guy running for student council who says we're going to have free beer. so there's just no downside. it's all upside for vivek. >> when i ran for student council, i did a whole goonies theme. you know, it's our time. thank you very much. that was my whole thing. it wasn't beer, but i hear what you're saying. van, to that point that mark is raising, it's something to be a kind of outsider when you don't have to run on your record. you've got other governors on the stage and former u.n. ambassadors who have records you can point to, you can pick away if you need to. and you have president biden, of course, who when he was on that stage, in the center, vying for the dnc nomination, everyone was looking at his senate record, as the vice president, also what his president barack obama was doing as well. he has now commented on trump's latest arrest. he did so earlier today. listen to what the president had to say. >> have you seen donald trump's mug shot yet? >> i did see it on television. >> what did you think? >> handsome guy. wonderful guy. >> well, obviously tongue in cheek there. van, what's your reaction? you're smiling. >> look, that's biden. he knows better than to wade into those waters too much because if he said more than that, then they would say, look, we told you that biden would sic the doj on trump and the whole thing. i think biden has played this very, very well. as far as ramaswamy, look, this guy has the worst ideas in american politics, if he has any ideas at all. he doesn't want to help israel. he doesn't want to defend taiwan. he wants to give russia a clean shot at ukraine. he just has the worst ideas, but he's got a big mouth, and he was able to kind of bully everybody onstage and become the center of attention. that lets you know we're in a different political age. this guy has never run anything except a company and his mouth. he's never run a committee. he's never -- he's barely voted. he's never run a city. he's never run a state. but in this day and age, it's like a tiktok kind of an approach to politics. just get attention. just get likes and shares, and you're winning. for me, that's, i think, a very, very sad commentary. marjorie taylor greene, the same way. she's never run a committee, never passed a bill, but now she's put in the same conversation as presidents of countries. there's something wrong when we have problems this serious and people this unserious can get this much attention. >> mark, we are in a kind of attention economy in many respects. sometimes the point is just attention, which is not the most novel concept over the history of the human race, but certainly in politics, the amount of credibility that it's now afforded is something entirely different to van's point. you know, trump's campaign is now telling cnn that he's going to try to capitalize on all of this media coverage of all the trials and tribulations of trump. it could backfire. it could on one hand create some trump fatigue. on the other hand, you know full well the media has been criticized as in the past having created donald trump as the candidate or having catapulted into a different stratosphere. how do you see it? >> well, listen, i think if you thought that trump had a lot of attention before, just wait until these trials happen. i mean it's going to be like o.j. on the freeway. the cameras will never leave, and it sounds like there's a good possibility there will be cameras in the courtroom. and this is exactly what trump wants. he wants the attention. he wants to make the trial his political strategy because that's the only strategy that he's got is that somehow he beats the rap on the legal front, and that beats the rap on the political front. >> van, how do democrats try to capitalize, seize the day, reclaim either the attention or use it in a way that's meaningful for re-election, which is what democrats want? >> we're in new territory. this is -- the campaign and the trial are the same thing. i mean if you think about it, from a donald trump point of view, what do you want with a campaign? you want to be able to raise a ton of money. he's raising a ton of money. you want to be able to push everybody else out of the media frame. he's pushed everybody out. vivek just saying crazy stuff to get any attention at all. and you also want to get a ton of media attention, which he's getting. so we think there's something happening here that this is a campaign, folks. what you're seeing right now is the campaign. and for the next year, what you're seeing is the campaign. and so democrats are going to have to go back to the drawing board and wipe it clean and think, what can we do to communicate about the fact that joe biden is presiding over one of the most impressive economic comebacks in american history. the nose of the plane is pointed up. it's a bumpy ride, but it's pointed up. he's creating jobs. he's doing stuff on climate, all this great stuff. diabetes patients are paying way less money. i mean amazing stuff that's happened. we got pain out here, but there's also some hope. we can't break through because this guy is reveling in indictments. he's going to have billboards with his mug shot. it's a different game, and we're going to have to play it very differently. >> we'll see what happens next. we already know that congresswoman marjorie taylor greene is talking about people creating their own maga mug shots to show support of the former president of the united states. there's a lot there. you got to wonder how the rest of the world is viewing the country that's known for a republic, if you can keep it. gentlemen, thank you so much. nice to see you both. >> see you. >> thanks. well, the former usc star reggie bush, he wants his heisman trophy back, and he's suing the ncaa to actually get it. his attorney is ben crump, and he'll be here next. former usc football superstar reggie bush is taking on the ncaa. he's accusing the ncaa of defamation in a lawsuit that was filed on wednesday. and, look, he wants his 2005 heisman trophy back. in 2010, remember that he voluntarily gave up the coveted award after an ncaa investigation found that he received benefits of several thousand dollars and a vehicle that were not allowed at the time, and he was ruled ineligible as of 2004. the supreme court ruled in 2021, you may recall, college athletes could actually receive education-related payments for use of their name, image, and likeness. and at the time bush petitioned to get his award reinstated but to no avail. bush now claims that the ncaa has defamed him recently and was never involved in a pay for play operation. in a separate petition, he's also asking for a reconsideration of their decision based on what bush's attorney, ben crump, calls a flawed and sloppy investigation. the ncaa has dekleined to comment on the lawsuit and also the petition. joining me now is civil rights attorney and attorney for reggie bush, ben crump. so nice to see you, attorney crump. this is something that so many people remember happening at the time, and it's really lived in infamy for a variety of reasons, particularly given the conversations about ncaa athletes. what makes you believe that they might be amenable now to returning it or to even being successful in a defamation suit? >> well, laura coates, it's going to be with you. my co-counsel attorney and i filed this defamation lawsuit because after the supreme court ruled that the ncaa could not continue this plantation mentality where they had college student athletes as indentured servants, that he thought, well, i would get my records restored. i will be able to get my heisman trophy back. but the ncaa then doubled down, laura coates, and said that he would never be able to get his records restored because he participated in a pay-for-play arrangement, which was not true at all. and that's why we filed a defamation lawsuit, and that's why we believe yet again the ncaa will lose in the court of law as they continue to lose in the court of public opinion. >> you know, when you think about and just try to unpack it all, you know -- and i hope people realize -- it never struck me as about the actual trophy for reggie bush, that it was not about the accolade itself. it wasn't about the numbers or the record that he had at usc. it was more than that, and you mentioned this idea of the ncaa in particular and how athletes had been, many people felt, exploited over time, their name, their likeness benefiting a university setting but never being able to actually monetize it as many believe that they should. how do you plan to prove, though, that the ncaa has defamed him? this is more of a recent statement. does it go all the way back to what happened in the original investigation that you call very sloppy and flawed? >> well, it's not me calling it that, laura coates. it's the district court in california, who said the ncaa investigator report was false in several material ways. they decided that. reggie bush was one of the most electrifying and celebrated football players in college history. i mean he's a very good young man, and he wants his name to be cleared. he wants to be exonerated from these allegations that have no evidence to substantiate them. he wants his heisman trophy back, laura, and most people in america agree with reggie bush. they think it is well deserved, well earned, and it's past time for reggie bush to get his heisman trophy back. and when you think about how they got thousand-dollar stipends and the ncaa made billions of dollars on tv revenue for these student athletes going out to perform, it is not fair. they're on the wrong side of fairness and the wrong side of history. >> well, ben crump, in my experience, if they're not on your side, they're on the wrong side of the law as well. so we'll have to follow this very closely. i'm so glad that you came by. i'm glad you're illuminating this issue. it's one that everyone is leaning into. nice to see you. >> thank you so much, laura coates. well, up next, everyone, a celebration tomorrow marking the 60th anniversary of the historic march on washington. one of the pivotal moments of the civil rights movement. try killing bugs the worry-free way. not the other way. zevo traps use light to attract and trap flying insects with no odor and no mess. they work continuously, so you don't have to. zevo. people-friendly. bug-deadly. - [announcer] do you have an invention idea but don't know what to do next? call invent help today. they can help you get started with your idea. call now 800-710-0020. 60 years ago, thousands of people marched on washington for civil rights, flooding the mall from the washington monument to the lincoln memorial. there will be a celebration and march tomorrow right here in washington, d.c. marking the occasion, which might be best remembered for dr. martin luther king jr.'s pivotal and powerful "i have a dream" speech. joining me now is the pivotal and powerful mario van peebles, executive director and producer of the upcoming multipart docu-series project "the beat goes on." mario, i'm so glad that you're here. >> i'm glad i can touch you because you're not even cgi or a.i. >> i'm so glad you're here and you're in town, of course, because you've been following this. you have been in so many great moments as well and following and documents the power of the image of what we have seen with the march on washington. >> my dad and i always talked about how, you know, the modern-day -- doesn't put chains on your body. the chains are on your mind. the first step to freeing your mind is controlling your imagery, the imagery of what you can imagine you can be. one of my favorite king quotes is where he says we all have to learn together, learn to live together as brothers and sisters in harmony, or we perish together as fools. and in my family, we've got all kind of folk. we've got white, black, brown. i got a gay aunt. i got a trumper aunt. so i got to love with big arms. >> a big thanksgiving table. >> it is. it forces you to look at the totality of humanity and say, i'm not interested in just what the problems are. we know there's darkness. we know that it was illegal to teach enslaved people how to read. soon in florida, it may be illegal to read about an enslaved person. i know my daughters might not have the same freedoms that their moms had. just the freedom to vote is being encroached on, the right to go to school and not get shot on. what i want to focus on is grassroots organizations that are doing something to turn the lights on. that's where the king family comes in and a new company called partners in kind. we're teaming up to make a multipart series focused on the boots on the ground, the high heels on the ground, the sneakers on the ground, the folks out there making a positive difference because too many people like my big-headed son over there don't think their vote matters. they've got to say, i can make a difference, and if my vote didn't matter, people wouldn't be trying to squash it. so i want to focus on folks of all demographics, of all races that are out there trying to turn the lights on for all of us. >> you know, the boots on the ground notion of it is so important because when you think about 60 years ago and the march on washington, the concept of what it meant to have civil rights, maybe people thought it as more singularly focused on race. they didn't think of it necessarily as expansive and what it would mean and the domino effect of the taking away of one thing and what if could lead to others. so the idea of that big tent that you described will be very much a part of recognizing the 60 years even tomorrow, knowing how much bigger the tent has grown, but all the work that still needs to be done. >> the french have a saying. the more things change, the more they stay the same. history doesn't just directly repeat itself, but it does rhyme. and so you've got to sort of know where you were to know where you're going. i think it's really time for us to take a look at this gift we have. our democracy is in peril. so many states are repealing the right to vote for all of us that it's critical to focus, i think, on the positive, on what we can do to make change. and that's what i want to do. the only problem is we need a good name. we're thinking about "the beat goes on." it's a cool name because of the drum major speech. but i don't know. so if you think of a better name, you let us know, for the series. >> laura coates is a -- >> laura coates is a hell of a name. >> so is mario van peebles and any production you have. >> power to the van peebles. >> i want 20%. 20%. >> will i see you at the march? >> i will see you but i'll have my heels on. >> bring your heels. it's going to be hot, but get out there. there's going to be some people that you need to hear. >> thank you for being here today. we'll be right back. got my fico® score, raised it instantly, i even found new ways to save. all right here. free. and fast. see all you can do with the free experian app. download it now. the state of california has the highest rate of homelessness in the country, and often living among the thousands of unsheltered people are their beloved pets. now, this week's cnn hero has made it his mission to offer judgment-free veterinary care at no cost. meet dr. kwan stewart. >> i've seen people give up their last meal for their pet and people who have $3 to their name, and after i'm done with the treatment, they will try and give me that $3. >> this is your partner obviously, huh? >> he's my best friend. >> they see me with my stethoscope and my bag. >> yeah, you look good. >> this little dog was days away from dying. >> and then they start sharing stories about their dog and the history. >> he makes me feel good, and he loves me, and i know he loves me. >> i can treat about 80% of the cases i see out of a really small bag. >> you do vaccines too? 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"cnn tonight" with laura coates starts right now. >> thanks, abby. good evening, everyone. i'm laura coates. you know that moment when you wonder if it's the end of the beginning or the beginning of the end? in the words of al pacino in scent of a woman, we're just getting warmed up. we've got four trump indictments and the real story is really about to begin. remember every single thing contained in those indictments, well, they're only allegations. the prosecutor actually has to prove all of it to a jury and not the one in the court of public opinion, but in the actual court of law. but the big question, of course, is which court? well, that's the question that donald trump's former chief of staff mark meadows has been asking and in georgia because e wants a federal court, not fulton county. but it takes more than just wanting something to then make it so, right? you've got to prove why it should be the case. and under the law, any federal employee may remove a criminal case to federal court if they're being prosecuted for things that they did in the course of their official duties. emphasis on the word "official," of course. we'll talk more about tonight w what exactly the officials duties of a chief of staff are, and do they include getting involved in, say, state election? but wait, there's more, everyone. you also have have some kind of federal defense. there has to be some federal def defense. one law that's being mentioned is the supremacy clause, one that tells you the federal law trumps the state's. if you've got a federal law saying i cano what i did, a state court shouldn't be hearing a case about it. you stay in your line. i'll tell you what, i'll stay in mine. but then again, just because you're a federal employee, it doesn't mean that everything you do is untouchable in state courts. holding the office itself does not hold the prosecutor at bay. no. meadows has to prove that what he was doing was actually part of his official duties and that it was authorized by federal law. and he's got to show that he didn't do more than what was necessary and proper to do his job. now, the allegations in georgia say that he was interfering with the certification of a state's election. will the court believe that that could be part of one's job duties? and did i mention, by the way, that what you do can't be done for personal or criminal reasons, only what is authorized by the law, of course. so mark meadows and any other defendant, if they feel they can meet those standards, they've got every right to try to get their case removed. but it's also more than just procedure at the end of the day. i told you it's about who meadows might want to hear his case because if it goes to federal court, then he gets to select from a much wider jury pool in the northern district of georgia, not just fulton county where biden, by the way, beat trump by almost, what, 243,000 votes. no, it's atlanta, gainesville, noonan, rome. that also means different counties include cherokee, clayton, cob, dekalb douglas, newton, rock dale. you know who are the members of congress from those different counties? take a look. in fact, biden did beat trump in nine out of these ten counties. but, of course, when it comes to an acquittal -- and this might be where someone looking for removal thinks about it -- it only takes one. i want to bring in former nixon white house counsel john dean, also chris whipple, who literally wrote the book on chiefs of staff, the gatekeepers, as well as "the fight of his life: inside joe biden's white house." also here is jason willick, an opinion columnist at "the washington post." let me begin with you, john dean, because for many people looking at this -- and you know this quite well -- the web of ople who havalleged to have been involved in this kind of activity, when you hear about the allegations of one mark meadows and the fact that he was the chief of staff in particular, at what point do people realize that it goes beyond the normal, hey, i'll make a call for you, sir, we'll get someone in contact with you, and it might sound and become criminal? >> it sounded to me as soon as i read that he had actually traveled to georgia and personally tried to intervene and inspect an audit that was going on. that is not chief of staff kind of activity. that's trying to swing your weight as chief of staff and doing things that normally a lesser light in the white house would do. that was the troubling thing for me and looked way beyond the bounds of a chief of staff's responsibility. >> chris, you wrote the book literally on chiefs of staff. i'm curious to see your take on this. for most people, they might have a pop culture reference of what a chief of staff is supposed to be. "west wing" might come to mind. they might have some notion of chief of staff from a more caricaturized notion. when you look at the role of a chief of staff, tell everyone what is actually is supposed to include and at what point does your job description become confined to this small sphere and cannot touch the campaign or the election world? >> well, you know, the white house chief of staff is many things. he's the president's gatekeeper, his confidant, his so-called javelin catcher. he's the person who executes the president's agenda, and of course, most important of all, he's the person you count on to tell the president hard truths. that's an area where, sadly, mark meadows utterly failed to carry out his duty as white house chief of staff. and let me just say as a kind of overarching point, there used to be stiff competition for the title of worst white house chief of staff in history. eisenhower's sherman adams, who was involved in a pay ola scandal, nixon's h.r. haldeman served 18 months for watergate crimes. george w. bush's john sununu was run out of town after using government transportation for personal purposes. but their crimes, their misdeeds, pale in comparison to what mark meadows has been charged with. i would never minimize watergate, especially with john dean on a panel. but think about it. >> smart man. >> think about it. h.r. haldeman went to prison for covering up a botched attempt to bug the opposition. mark meadows is accused of orchestrating a mafia-style shakedown of a state official for nonexistent votes and, oh, by the way, enabling the overthrow of american democracy. so he owns the title of worst chief of staff lock, stock, and barrel in my view. >> i want to bring in jason willick to the conversation as well because you've an opinion columnist. you actually think, i mean set aside the list that chris is talking about of who the worst chief of staff may have been. i don't think anyone wants that title. but i think he might actually be successful in movinging his caso federal court. why? >> well, i do think he might be successful. i think it's telling that he's not charged in jack smith's federal indictment with breaking federal law. in fact, in jack smith's federal indictment, he's described as urging president trump to stop the rioting on january 6th. he's described as telling president trump that the recount, the signature verification in georgia, is going in an exemplary fashion. so the way he's portrayed is a lot more mixed than the way he is in fani willis' indictment. i think that tells us at least something about whether he was acting within the scope of his duties because if he clearly wasn't, i think jack smith might have been more interested in charging him with breaking federal law. as you mentioned, you though, this test is a complicated test. for his case to be removed to federal court, it doesn't need to be shown that he's totally immune, that he's totally in the right. it just needs to be shown that he has a colorable defense. i think that's possible. >> colorable meaning straight-faced, there is some support even if you fail in the end to prove it's true. it will be a kind of evidentiary hearing, but there was a lot of ifs in terms of what needs to happen to get there. let me bring john dean in on this point because there's a lot of string of ifs in terms of if this is the case and the duties. this all comes down to in many respects, john dean, this notion of, look, were you acting under a colorable claim of your official duties, the color of office? the elections are the purview of the states, of course. and so one might scratch their head and say, well, what business would a chief of staff have in trying to talk about the certification of a state's election? what do you say? >> laura, it's going to be very difficult for mark meadows to get this information in evidence. it's inconceivable they're going to put him on the stand and subject him to cross-examination at this early stage, yet he's got to get this information in front of the judge. what they did in their motion was cite from an, in a selective way, from the indictment and sort of spin it the way they wanted it to appear. and there is an argument if you take their read. i think when they get to court on the evidentiary hearing on this, it's not going to look as close or as fuzzy as it does right now. and i know that jack smith was well aware of the removal problem. and there's also the possibility that this could stay part of it in state court and part of it in federal court. that exception is available and could well exist. so the big loss to me in going to federal court is no cameras, and i think the american public needs to see all this. >> well, certainly we were watching what has unfolded in the past, january 6th, watergate, the impeachment hearings. there is a huge public interest in all of these. gentlemen, thank you so much. i'd love to have you back on again. >> sure. now, also donald trump and 18 co-defendants were charged, as you know, in georgia's 2020 election subversion case. well, they all surrendered, all of them by the noon deadline, some days ago, some a long time ago. you know, one of them is still in jail tonight. i'll tell you who and why next. so 19 co-defendants. look at this yearbook photo of sorts, everyone, including the former president of the united states. you see him in the top left there, donald trump. they have now surrendered in fulton county, but only one of the people here, harrison floyd, is actually still in jail. remember he is the leader of the black voices for trump, and he is accused of violating georgia's rico statute, influencing a witness, and conspireing to elicit false statements. unlike his other co-defendants, floyd was unable to negotiate a bond agreement before his surrender. and today a judge was refusing to even set his bond. >> judge, you find that based on the open charge against you, there are grounds for bond to be denied at this point. so i'm going to find that you are a risk to commit additional felonies and a potential risk to flee the jurisdiction. so i'm going to deny bond but a full consideration of bond will be addressed by judge mcafee. >> that's, of course, the judge who will be overseeing and has been overseeing a majority of this so far. i want to bring in senior reporter for the root jessica washington and clint rucke so happy to see both of you here tonight. jessica, you've got a piece out in "the root" talking about this very issue, how floyd is one of only two black defendants in this case. he's still in jail, and i might note this has been talked about as a more notorious jail, fulton county. what is happening here? any insight as to why it is he's still there and that judge made that decision? >> yeah. so there's kind of two things happening. the first thing is that he did not have counsel going into it from everything we understand, particularly fm e hearing today. and so unlike the other defendants whoegiated a bond agreement beforeoing in, he didn't do that. so he was immediately detained once he came to the jail. and the other defendants got to come in and then leave and post their bond. so that happened initially. but then at this hearing today, we also saw his secondary charge -- or the charge that actually came before this in may. that was brought up as well. he was charged for assaulting an fbi officer, and so that was a reason that the judge found that he should be denied bail today. so there's kind of two things happening. >> you're nodding along there, clint. first of all, explain to the audience what exactly were the circumstances as to why this was an assault on an officer, who i think was serving a subpoena in connection with another matter. tell me what that was about. >> right. and good evening, laura. thank you for having me. i really appreciate it. jessica's absolutely right, though. i will tell you the most significant reason why mr. harrison is still in custody is he has himself as his lawyer. there could have been pretrial discussions with respect to that previous case, which we know is the outstanding warrant from maryland based on the assault of the federal agent who was attempting to serve a subpoena. and you could have also negotiated a pretrial release by way of an agreed-upon bond in this case so that he could have had much the same process in effect as the other defendants that we saw. what we know about the previous case is that mr. harrison is claiming that he did not know the identity of the individuals who were approaching him to execute the service of the subpoena. but, of course, that will be a question for a different day, for a different court. but certainly the judge in this case found that the two cases combined, in her opinion, showed a propensity for mr. harrison to commit crimes, and so she was able to deny bond based on the criteria here in georgia. >> and real quick, clint, when you think about that, she seemed to be referencing another judge. she did not want to be the ultimate decision maker on this case. tell me why. >> right. well, here in the fulton county judicial circuit, there are, as in most judicial circuits, there is court rules that kind of govern what judges are able to do and not do. and in this case, mr. harrison, because he was already indicted by a fulton county jury, laura, as you know, he was not entitled to what is commonly referred to as a first appearance hearing or a commitment hearing wherein a magistrate will look at his charges, inform him, and set bond. in this case, because the case is already indicted, it is technically assigned to judge scott mcafee. judge scott mcafee will make all decisions with respect to his case. so as the judge in this case today indicated on the record, judge mcafee will consider bond for him at the arraignment hearing. >> important to note. jessica, thank you. and floyd is accused of playing a role in arranging a meeting between a fellow co-defendant and treveon custddy and electio worker ruby freeman. that's no small offense considering what they know what they're said to have endured in their testimony about the pressure campaign against them. what more can you tell us, jessica? >> yeah. so the specifics of this case, kind of how they pressure -- i mean particularly we can see this is something that was really a hardship for ruby freeman. it's not to say the fact he's being held and we're talking about a two-tier justice system, we're talking about the fact this is someone who was held while everyone else has gotten off. it's not to say what happened there isn't important, but i do think happened was really -- was awful for ruby freeman from everything that we know from her testimony. i think we're going to hear a lot more about it as this case eventually goes to trial. >> there is something very telling in just the optics of the appearance of one person remaining in jail in fulton cond another, the former president, within 20 minutes able to leave with that pre-negotiated notion. by the way, we're talking about the ideas of a two-tiered justice system. while all the attention is on fulton county and what it looks like in this jail, i hope people are paying attention to the other jurisdictions across this country where we could have the same conversation about a two-tiered justice system and some conditions and unsanitary conditions that those who have a presumption of innocence continue to face today. thank you so much for both of you being here. >> absolutely. thank you very much. >> thank you. look, there are four criminal indictments, everyone. you got a mug shot, and you got donald trump as the front-runner still for the republican rnc nomination. so up next, what did president joe biden have to say about all of this? 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>> that's actually kind of funny. i like the part when i was complimented, and i wonder, is he actually running against me? that's an interesting question. joining now to talk about it is former adviser george w. bush and john mccain, mark mckinnon, and cnn's political commentator van jones. i saw you tip your hat. i love you. let me start with you because you were the most gentlemanly of the bunch just now. you heard ramaswamy, the lavish praise for trump. his hand practically flew off the hinges when he was asked the question whether he would pardon him if convicted. in a place where everyone is wondering where everyone is vying to be the v.p. except mike pence, what do you think is his strategy? is he looking for that or a cabinet position, or is he really trying to be the president? >> well, anything and all of the above. i mean one thing we know about president trump that vivek, i'm sure, shares is he knows that running for president is the brightest spot in the world. he never intended to be president. he was an accidental president. but he ran because it was the hottest stage in the world. vivek ramaswamy, it was no surprise that he exceeded expectations because nobody knew him. he has supreme confidence, and he's not bound by anything he's ever done before because he's never been in politics. we know now that he's almost never voted before. so he can say anything. he's like the guy running for student council who says we're going to have free beer. so there's just no downside. it's all upside for vivek. >> when i ran for student council, i did a whole goonies theme. you know, it's our time. thank you very much. that was my whole thing. it wasn't beer, but i hear what you're saying. van, to that point that mark is raising, it's something to be a kind of outsider when you don't have to run on your record. you've got other governors on the stage and former u.n. ambassadors who have records you can point to, you can pick away if you need to. and you have president biden, of course, who when he was on that stage, in the center, vying for the dnc nomination, everyone was looking at his senate record, as the vice president, also what his president barack obama was doing as well. he has now commented on trump's latest arrest. he did so earlier today. listen to what the president had to say. >> have you seen donald trump's mug shot yet? >> i did see it on television. >> what did you think? >> handsome guy. wonderful guy. >> well, obviously tongue in cheek there. van, what's your reaction? you're smiling. >> look, that's biden. he knows better than to wade into those waters too much because if he said more than that, then they would say, look, we told you that biden would sic the doj on trump and the whole thing. i think biden has played this very, very well. as far as ramaswamy, look, this guy has the worst ideas in american politics, if he has any ideas at all. he doesn't want to help israel. he doesn't want to defend taiwan. he wants to give russia a clean shot at ukraine. he just has the worst ideas, but he's got a big mouth, and he was able to kind of bully everybody onstage and become the center of attention. that lets you know we're in a different political age. this guy has never run anything except a company and his mouth. he's never run a committee. he's never -- he's barely voted. he's never run a city. he's never run a state. but in this day and age, it's like a tiktok kind of an approach to politics. just get attention. just get likes and shares, and you're winning. for me, that's, i think, a very, very sad commentary. marjorie taylor greene, the same way. she's never run a committee, never passed a bill, but now she's put in the same conversation as presidents of countries. there's something wrong when we have problems this serious and people this unserious can get this much attention. >> mark, we are in a kind of attention economy in many respects. sometimes the point is just attention, which is not the most novel concept over the history of the human race, but certainly in politics, the amount of credibility that it's now afforded is something entirely different to van's point. you know, trump's campaign is now telling cnn that he's going to try to capitalize on all of this media coverage of all the trials and tribulations of trump. it could backfire. it could on one hand create some trump fatigue. on the other hand, you know full well the media has been criticized as in the past having created donald trump as the candidate or having catapulted into a different stratosphere. how do you see it? >> well, listen, i think if you thought that trump had a lot of attention before, just wait until these trials happen. i mean it's going to be like o.j. on the freeway. the cameras will never leave, and it sounds like there's a good possibility there will be cameras in the courtroom. and this is exactly what trump wants. he wants the attention. he wants to make the trial his political strategy because that's the only strategy that he's got is that somehow he beats the rap on the legal front, and that beats the rap on the political front. >> van, how do democrats try to capitalize, seize the day, reclaim either the attention or use it in a way that's meaningful for re-election, which is what democrats want? >> we're in new territory. this is -- the campaign and the trial are the same thing. i mean if you think about it, from a donald trump point of view, what do you want with a campaign? you want to be able to raise a ton of money. he's raising a ton of money. you want to be able to push everybody else out of the media frame. he's pushed everybody out. vivek just saying crazy stuff to get any attention at all. and you also want to get a ton of media attention, which he's getting. so we think there's something happening here that this is a campaign, folks. what you're seeing right now is the campaign. and for the next year, what you're seeing is the campaign. and so democrats are going to have to go back to the drawing board and wipe it clean and think, what can we do to communicate about the fact that joe biden is presiding over one of the most impressive economic comebacks in american history. the nose of the plane is pointed up. it's a bumpy ride, but it's pointed up. he's creating jobs. he's doing stuff on climate, all this great stuff. diabetes patients are paying way less money. i mean amazing stuff that's happened. we got pain out here, but there's also some hope. we can't break through because this guy is reveling in indictments. he's going to have billboards with his mug shot. it's a different game, and we're going to have to play it very differently. >> we'll see what happens next. we already know that congresswoman marjorie taylor greene is talking about people creating their own maga mug shots to show support of the former president of the united states. there's a lot there. you got to wonder how the rest of the world is viewing the country that's known for a republic, if you can keep it. gentlemen, thank you so much. nice to see you both. >> see you. >> thanks. well, the former usc star reggie bush, he wants his heisman trophy back, and he's suing the ncaa to actually get it. his attorney is ben crump, and he'll be here next. former usc football superstar reggie bush is taking on the ncaa. he's accusing the ncaa of defamation in a lawsuit that was filed on wednesday. and, look, he wants his 2005 heisman trophy back. in 2010, remember that he voluntarily gave up the coveted award after an ncaa investigation found that he received benefits of several thousand dollars and a vehicle that were not allowed at the time, and he was ruled ineligible as of 2004. the supreme court ruled in 2021, you may recall, college athletes could actually receive education-related payments for use of their name, image, and likeness. and at the time bush petitioned to get his award reinstated but to no avail. bush now claims that the ncaa has defamed him recently and was never involved in a pay for play operation. in a separate petition, he's also asking for a reconsideration of their decision based on what bush's attorney, ben crump, calls a flawed and sloppy investigation. the ncaa has dekleined to comment on the lawsuit and also the petition. joining me now is civil rights attorney and attorney for reggie bush, ben crump. so nice to see you, attorney crump. this is something that so many people remember happening at the time, and it's really lived in infamy for a variety of reasons, particularly given the conversations about ncaa athletes. what makes you believe that they might be amenable now to returning it or to even being successful in a defamation suit? >> well, laura coates, it's going to be with you. my co-counsel attorney and i filed this defamation lawsuit because after the supreme court ruled that the ncaa could not continue this plantation mentality where they had college student athletes as indentured servants, that he thought, well, i would get my records restored. i will be able to get my heisman trophy back. but the ncaa then doubled down, laura coates, and said that he would never be able to get his records restored because he participated in a pay-for-play arrangement, which was not true at all. and that's why we filed a defamation lawsuit, and that's why we believe yet again the ncaa will lose in the court of law as they continue to lose in the court of public opinion. >> you know, when you think about and just try to unpack it all, you know -- and i hope people realize -- it never struck me as about the actual trophy for reggie bush, that it was not about the accolade itself. it wasn't about the numbers or the record that he had at usc. it was more than that, and you mentioned this idea of the ncaa in particular and how athletes had been, many people felt, exploited over time, their name, their likeness benefiting a university setting but never being able to actually monetize it as many believe that they should. how do you plan to prove, though, that the ncaa has defamed him? this is more of a recent statement. does it go all the way back to what happened in the original investigation that you call very sloppy and flawed? >> well, it's not me calling it that, laura coates. it's the district court in california, who said the ncaa investigator report was false in several material ways. they decided that. reggie bush was one of the most electrifying and celebrated football players in college history. i mean he's a very good young man, and he wants his name to be cleared. he wants to be exonerated from these allegations that have no evidence to substantiate them. he wants his heisman trophy back, laura, and most people in america agree with reggie bush. they think it is well deserved, well earned, and it's past time for reggie bush to get his heisman trophy back. and when you think about how they got thousand-dollar stipends and the ncaa made billions of dollars on tv revenue for these student athletes going out to perform, it is not fair. they're on the wrong side of fairness and the wrong side of history. >> well, ben crump, in my experience, if they're not on your side, they're on the wrong side of the law as well. so we'll have to follow this very closely. i'm so glad that you came by. i'm glad you're illuminating this issue. it's one that everyone is leaning into. nice to see you. >> thank you so much, laura coates. well, up next, everyone, a celebration tomorrow marking the 60th anniversary of the historic march on washington. one of the pivotal moments of the civil rights movement. try killing bugs the worry-free way. not the other way. zevo traps use light to attract and trap flying insects with no odor and no mess. they work continuously, so you don't have to. zevo. people-friendly. bug-deadly. - [announcer] do you have an invention idea but don't know what to do next? call invent help today. they can help you get started with your idea. call now 800-710-0020. 60 years ago, thousands of people marched on washington for civil rights, flooding the mall from the washington monument to the lincoln memorial. there will be a celebration and march tomorrow right here in washington, d.c. marking the occasion, which might be best remembered for dr. martin luther king jr.'s pivotal and powerful "i have a dream" speech. joining me now is the pivotal and powerful mario van peebles, executive director and producer of the upcoming multipart docu-series project "the beat goes on." mario, i'm so glad that you're here. >> i'm glad i can touch you because you're not even cgi or a.i. >> i'm so glad you're here and you're in town, of course, because you've been following this. you have been in so many great moments as well and following and documents the power of the image of what we have seen with the march on washington. >> my dad and i always talked about how, you know, the modern-day -- doesn't put chains on your body. the chains are on your mind. the first step to freeing your mind is controlling your imagery, the imagery of what you can imagine you can be. one of my favorite king quotes is where he says we all have to learn together, learn to live together as brothers and sisters in harmony, or we perish together as fools. and in my family, we've got all kind of folk. we've got white, black, brown. i got a gay aunt. i got a trumper aunt. so i got to love with big arms. >> a big thanksgiving table. >> it is. it forces you to look at the totality of humanity and say, i'm not interested in just what the problems are. we know there's darkness. we know that it was illegal to teach enslaved people how to read. soon in florida, it may be illegal to read about an enslaved person. i know my daughters might not have the same freedoms that their moms had. just the freedom to vote is being encroached on, the right to go to school and not get shot on. what i want to focus on is grassroots organizations that are doing something to turn the lights on. that's where the king family comes in and a new company called partners in kind. we're teaming up to make a multipart series focused on the boots on the ground, the high heels on the ground, the sneakers on the ground, the folks out there making a positive difference because too many people like my big-headed son over there don't think their vote matters. they've got to say, i can make a difference, and if my vote didn't matter, people wouldn't be trying to squash it. so i want to focus on folks of all demographics, of all races that are out there trying to turn the lights on for all of us. >> you know, the boots on the ground notion of it is so important because when you think about 60 years ago and the march on washington, the concept of what it meant to have civil rights, maybe people thought it as more singularly focused on race. they didn't think of it necessarily as expansive and what it would mean and the domino effect of the taking away of one thing and what if could lead to others. so the idea of that big tent that you described will be very much a part of recognizing the 60 years even tomorrow, knowing how much bigger the tent has grown, but all the work that still needs to be done. >> the french have a saying. the more things change, the more they stay the same. history doesn't just directly repeat itself, but it does rhyme. and so you've got to sort of know where you were to know where you're going. i think it's really time for us to take a look at this gift we have. our democracy is in peril. so many states are repealing the right to vote for all of us that it's critical to focus, i think, on the positive, on what we can do to make change. and that's what i want to do. the only problem is we need a good name. we're thinking about "the beat goes on." it's a cool name because of the drum major speech. but i don't know. so if you think of a better name, you let us know, for the series. >> laura coates is a -- >> laura coates is a hell of a name. >> so is mario van peebles and any production you have. >> power to the van peebles. >> i want 20%. 20%. >> will i see you at the march? >> i will see you but i'll have my heels on. >> bring your heels. it's going to be hot, but get out there. there's going to be some people that you need to hear. >> thank you for being here today. we'll be right back. got my fico® score, raised it instantly, i even found new ways to save. all right here. free. and fast. see all you can do with the free experian app. download it now. the state of california has the highest rate of homelessness in the country, and often living among the thousands of unsheltered people are their beloved pets. now, this week's cnn hero has made it his mission to offer judgment-free veterinary care at no cost. meet dr. kwan stewart. >> i've seen people give up their last meal for their pet and people who have $3 to their name, and after i'm done with the treatment, they will try and give me that $3. >> this is your partner obviously, huh? >> he's my best friend. >> they see me with my stethoscope and my bag. >> yeah, you look good. >> this little dog was days away from dying. >> and then they start sharing stories about their dog and the history. >> he makes me feel good, and he loves me, and i know he loves me. >> i can treat about 80% of the cases i see out of a really small bag. >> you do vaccines too? oh, that's really cool. >> it's antibiotics. it's anti-inflammatories, flea and tick, heartworm prevention. it's all there. it's at no cost to them. it's free. i'm building a network of trusted volunteers, technicians, hospitals and clinics we can call on. it doesn't matter what your situation is or what your background or past is. i see a pet in need, and i see a person who cares for them dearly, who just needs some help. >> wow. for the full story, go to cnnheroes.com. thank you for watching. our coverage continues. . welcome to all of you watching us here in the united states, canada and all around the world, i'm kim

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