we are following several breaking stories including the possible death of russian warlord yevgeny prigozhin who attempted a mutiny against putinpputin two months ago. he office a passenger plane that crashed and burned this afternoon. videos on social media show a plane falling out of the sky. state media claiming all ten people on board were killed, but it is important to note cnn does not have confirmation that prigozhin office that plane. we are following this other breaking story out of georgia where donald trump's former attorney, rudy giuliani, was just released after being arrested in fulton county. he stopped to speak with reporters outside of the jail. we'll bring you those comments. but need to let you know that sydney powell, another trump attorney, surrendered at that jail just moments before giuliani. they, of course, are just two of the 19 people charged in this 2020 election case in georgia. cnn's nick valencia is outside the fulton county jail. he was right there as giuliani got out of the car to make some remarks. you were able to get in a couple of questions. what did giuliani tell you? >> reporter: yeah, giuliani seemed to be speaking to us directly here at cnn. he was playing the victim, saying he had been charged for essentially doing his job to help the former president as an attorney. he said that he was being unjustly charged and challenged anybody to find a prosecutor with his record in the last 100 years. we asked several questions, the first being who paid for his private jet down here because we were told he had been trying to get people to help him pay for his elderly legal -- his legal bills. listen to what he said after been arrested and surrendering. >> she has violated people's first amendment right to advocate the government to petition the government for grievance as like an election they believe was poorly or falsely conducted. people have a right to believe that in america. >> reporter: we asked him also why people should believe him now since in a civil suit he all but admitted making false comments against election workers in georgia. he pushed back to that claim, calling us liars, saying that the media is doing what it does and lying. he then got in his car and took off. we understand that he stopped by a bail bondsman on his way out of here. we don't understand or know exactly what he's doing the rest of the day. we assume that he's going back to his new york residence. but some dramatic scenes here outside of fulton county jail as it has been a revolving door of activity here as these 19 defendants continue to turn themselves in. >> yeah. it has. as we mentioned, and i know you've been monitoring sydney powell, also reporting there earlier today. has sydney powell emerged at this point? >> reporter: no. we're hoping we get to ask the same questions when they come out. some have made comments to the media. john eastman stopped by our cameras yesterday to issue a statement and say he has no regrets in representing the former president. defendants are speaking and making comments. we were told that giuliani was expected to speak to the prerss and that's what he did. we're standing by for that to happen about sydney powell. >> appreciate it. we know that you will let us know as soon as that does happen. of course we will be having much more of those resigns from georgia a bit later in the hour. i want to turn to this other major breaking news in our world lead. russian state media reporting that the notorious warlord yevgeny prigozhin is likely dead. prigozhin of course the leader of the private russian ersnary group wagner. and once a key ally of russian leader vladimir putin. prigozhin's army helping putin to carry out some of his bloodiest crusades in ukraine especially in the eastern city of bakhmut which earned the title the human meat grinder. and then prigozhin, as you may recall, not long ago turned against the russian ministry was defense claiming it had insufficient ammunition and resources to his grisly battalion slamming putin's generals. that led to a failed armed mutiny to moscow in june, exactly two months ago. cnn's matthew chance starts us off from london. beside what russian state media is reporting, what other verifiable information is there at this hour in terms of that plane crash and who may have been on board? >> reporter: well, verifiable information is extremely hard to come by. i mean, state media's the main source of it at the moment because they're being fed information by the various institutions inside russia that are sort of looking at these crash scene, investigating it, pulling the bodies out. but the emergency situations ministry is -- they're official investigators at that scene, are also issuing statements, as well. and they've confirmed the aviation authorities, for instance, confirmed there were ten people on board. in the past few seconds, they've issued a list of the passengers on board. and yevgeny prigozhin's name is on that passenger list. state media is, of course, was killed. everybody on but that only eight body so far have been retrieved. and none of them yet, according to these official sources, have been identified positively as yevgeny prigozhin. so that's one of the reasons why we're still holding back from saying definitely certainly that prigozhin was killed in this crash. there's one other reason, as well. we don't ever really know exactly where prigozhin is. he popped up on what was meant to be a video from somewhere in africa a couple of days ago. and so would have had to have gott back to moscow to take this route en route to st. petersburg which is possible. also there was a situation i remember a couple of years ago, i think it was in 2019, when there was another plane crash in an african country -- i think the democratic republic of congo, in which yevgeny prigozhin was meant to be on board, as well, and meant to have died. it turned out that he hadn't. so you know, obviously we're exercising some caution when it comes to saying categorically that prigozhin died in this crash. but all the pointers, i have to say, at the moment are that he was on the passenger list, he may well -- looks like at the moment he was on board. and you can see from the pictures, nobody walked away from that fireball. >> russia's air transport ministry i believe also speaking out. there's this wagner-linked social media channel that's announced that prigozhin is dead. would that be a more official confirmation at this point? >> reporter: no, it's -- unfortunately it's not official. there's lots of pro-wagner telegram channels out there that are saying that prigozhin is dead. and they're saying that he was killed by traitors inside russia. that's pretty ominous, worrying for the situation that they follow this event, if this is the killing of yevgeny prigozhin. but what we've not heard yet is anything from wagner itself or from concord which is the sort of umbrella group that runs wagner that prigozhin ran. and he himself, you know, said, look, you should only trust what concord says. you shouldn't trust all these pro-wagner telegram channels. he's been saying that for some months now. and so we're sort of taking his advice i suppose in waiting for concord to actually issue a statement. >> i'm getting word that russian authorities are confirming that he was on board, and that he is, in fact, dead. as we wait for confirmation, one of the remarkable things is how many details came out so quickly. how much video was out there so quickly after this from different angles, and then this quick announcement that there would be a russian-led investigation. i mean, matthew, you know perhaps better than anyone right now at this network what that should tell us, right? that this sort of media blitz so quickly happened. >> reporter: yeah. i mean, i don't want to go so far as to say that russian media knew this was coming because i don't think that's the case. but clearly they have been kept across these developments raivery carefully. russian media isn't just some independent journalist going about news gathering. this is the main conduit by which the russian states, the kremlin, communicates information to the russian public. and so in some ways there are sort of -- they're spokespeople, a platform, official platform for the kremlin. it's interesting that when this crash took place, which is approximately 6:00, i think 6:13 is when it disappeared from radar, this plane, local time -- it was about 11:00, 11:30, 11:16 in the united states in eastern time. putin was in the city of kersk, elsewhere in russia, talking about loyalty to the motherland. he was commemorating the 80th anniversary since the second world war battle of kersk, tank battle, talking about how loyalty in that battle and loyalty during what he calls the special military operation, the war this ukraine, was equally important. you know, it all sort of kind of points to this idea that vladimir putin is off celebrating loyalty. meanwhile, the man who led the coup or the attempted coup against vladimir putin's kremlin two months to the day before this crash seems to have been on board and to have met his end. >> yeah. two interesting anniversaries on that same day. as we know, putin does enjoy a chance to mark an anniversary. matthew, appreciate it. stay with us. i want to bring in chief international correspondent clarissa ward. you have covered for years the notorious wagner group. you uncovered a wagner training ground in the central african republic. give us a sense of what this would mean to these vast operations of wagner across the world if in fact yevgeny prigozhin is dead. >> reporter: well, this is a seismic moment. i mean, the question now becomes who takes this over? this wagner operation has been taking place not just in the central african republic where it started when we were there, but also in mali, in libya, it has commercial importance. the question becomes what is the succession plan, is there a succession plan? there are rumblings that they're work on a succession plan and they are set up a rival pnc to carry out this type of work, particularly in africa. but the real problem is that up until the war in ukraine, wagner had something that the kremlin does not -- they had plausible deniability. they didn't even officially exist on paper. and that meant that they could go along and work with whatever kind of leader and participate in massacres and do all the kinds of things that states can't really do with impunity basically. if the kremlin is hoping to continue these operations, it will have to think carefully about how it goes about doing that because it will have lost that veneer that wagner gave it was plausible deniability or distance from some of the massacres that we know wagner operative vs. been involved in -- operatives that have been involved in in the past. it is important when you point that out to take into account and also what we see in terms of the warnings that we have heard from leaders, from other folks over the last couple of months, since that failed mutiny -- that march to moscow that we saw two months ago with prigozhin and how putin feels about traitors. how putin feels about people who turn on him or who challenge him. alexei navalny a great example, what happened to him when he returned to russia which i think makes it all the more fascinating once we saw prigozhin turn up in russia not that long ago. and to be there -- it's remarkable that he would be back there after what we saw. >> reporter: honestly, this is something i've asked myself so many times -- how is he wandering around casually, coolly, popping up in st. petersburg, traveling to africa, back and forth to belarus, seemingly without a care in the world? either this man has extraordinary amounts of chutzpah which partially i'm being facetious but it's part of that, part of the image that he cultivated. or did he possibly have some sense from someone in the security services that he had been pardoned or forgiven? we know that he did sit down with president putin in the days after the mutiny. we don't know exactly what was discussed at that meeting. but did he leave it under the illusion that potentially he could live out his life and die of old age? it's hard to believe that he could seriously think that because prigozhin understands fundamentally that putin does not accept traitors, that he does not accept betrayal. by the way, prigozhin was the same way in terms of espousing that very, very hard-line idealogy. so this is a question honestly that i think will keep people talking on twitter and on line for many, many years, trying to unravel and really fundamentally get to grips and understand why exactly prigozhin believed that he might get away with this. and frankly, that was a question that was asked just after the mutiny, as well, how on earth did he think he was going to be able to pull this off. >> which is exactly what i was thinking as you were saying that. it's -- we can't ignore, too, what else is happening in russia in this in a moment, right? i've heard so many people the last couple of hours talk about the importance of this being the anniversary, this two months today, since that failed mutiny. how much putin likes an anniversary, and also the state of the war at this point, whether there needed to be something to maybe shore up putin's image. how much of all of that do you think could have potentially been a factor if -- and a big if obviously -- there was -- this was a planned attack because prigozhin was on that plane and because someone wanted him gone? >> reporter: i mean, if this was indeed an assassination, i think it's really important that it wasn't just prigozhin who was killed. there were others on that plane. dimitri utkin office that plane, one of wagner's top operatives. so if this was a targeted assassination, then it's clear that the kremlin is really trying to just draw a line under this whole thing altogether because it's important to note that prigozhin has quite a lot of support in russia. and particularly from these hard-liners who do not feel that the ministry of defense has been executing a good job in ukraine, who do not feel that they have been harsh enough in their tactics. who accuse them of being corrupt and incompetent and ineffective. and that chorus of voices has grown far more outspoken as prigozhin has kind of created a space to allow that kind of criticism which frankly would have been inconceivable even a couple of years ago. and so what will be interesting to see i think going forward is do we continue to hear from those hard-liners, do they continue to criticize the might be industry of defense and the war effort in ukraine in terms of from the russian side, or will this fundamentally put a stop to those conversations? and also what happens to the remaining elements of wagner, the operatives who had set up a camp in belarus, those who had refused the offer of clemency essentially from president putin and to officially go and join up with the russian army. will they now face repercussions now that it appears that their leader, prigozhin, is gone. >> yeah. all such important questions. really appreciate you being with us today. thank you. cnn aviation correspondent pete monteen also with us. as we look at the videos posted of this crash, these moments, as i have heard a number of times a plane at 28,000 feet does not just fall out of the sky. what do you see in these videos that have been posted? >> reporter: so many people are looking at these videos. in fact, a former managing director of the ntsb tells me an airplane like this does not come out of the sky like this without some sort of help. look at the video of this airplane essentially free falling here. and you can see what appears to me to be vaporized fuel trailing behind it. this is what's really interesting, and when you take it a layer further and if you slow the video down and bring up a still here, this is a little blurry, but this is the airplane, you can siee the fuselage, one wing here. what is missing is the other wing. that is where this gets really eerie. and investigations in the u.s. typically investigators would go through and rule things out. was this a midair collision, was this something like a structural failure where the airplane broke apart mid flight, was this another type of emergency, or was this airplane shot down? and that is the thing that investigators will really have to look at here if this is, in fact, a transparent investigation. we'll get to that in a second. let's look at the flight path because there are interesting clues here. this is the data from flight dwar 24. and that data says that this airplane was at 28,000 feet going 590 miles per hour on a northwesterly heading, going northwest from moscow to davair. then the tracking suddenly stopped. that says that there is something that really went awry here. the airplane was level it wasn't climbing or descending. it didn't suddenly fall out of the sky on its own. when you start piecing things together, that is when things really get interesting. so now the real question here is will russia play with international agencies and manufacturers worldwide who may have a stake in this, this airplane was built in brazil. the avionics likely come out of the united states. usually they would be party to an investigation like this. will russia bring them into the fold, or will they be shut out? that is something that will be interesting to follow here. and if they are shut out, it may lead to the worst possible scenario here that this plane was potentially shot down. a lot of really big questions now. >> a lot of big questions. and if in fact they were brought in, will they be given -- would they be begin full access? pete, appreciate it. thank you. we are going to continue to follow this breaking news out of russia. just ahead, the former secretary of defense and head of the cia, l leon pan eight. moments -- panetta. moments ago rudy giuliani surrendered at the fulton county jail. the all-new tempur-pedic breeze makes sleep feel cool. so, no more sweating all night... ...or blasting the air conditioning. because the tempur-breeze feels up to 10° cooler, all night long. for a limited time, save up to $700 on select tempur-pedic adjustable mattress sets. it's because of tiktok that i had to go out and get a website. i'm at a point now where i've outgrown my house. growing up, every time i'd get out of the shower, i would itch. my first experience with goat milk soap, it kinda was like a light bulb moment. tiktok is a fantastic platform for diy. if you'd have told me three years ago that i would own my own business and be expanding into a separate building, i would've told you you'd lost your mind. - [narrator] what if there was a hearing aid that could keep up with you? 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(vo) for a limited time get nfl sunday ticket from youtubetv on us. a $449 value. plus, get a free samsung galaxy z flip5. only on verizon. back now with our world lead. russian authorities say wagner chief yevgeny prigozhin was, in fact, on board the plane that crashed in russia earlier today. a wagner linked social media account going further and confirming that prigozhin had, in fact, been killed. last hour president biden was asked to weigh in on the crash. here's what he had to say -- >> i don't know for a fact what happened. i'm not surprised. >> do you think -- >> there's not much that happens in russia that -- i don't know enough to know the answer. >> cnn's alex marquardt joining us now. president biden, other u.s. officials have repeatedly warned prigozhin could be targeted, could be killed by the kremlin after that failed mutiny just two months ago in russia. >> reporter: yeah. they've been talking about this essentially saying that it was just a question of when. this is not -- this was expected, this was -- would be expected, not a question of if but when. we've heard president biden and others speaking in blunt, almost joking terms. president biden saying that prigozhin should not fire his food taster, the secretary of state antony blinken talking about russia's open windows policy, a reference to kremlin critics who have mysteriously fallen from open windows and died. then there was the director of the cia, bill burns, who knows russia and putin very well. a former ambassador to russia. he said that essentially that putin was biding his time. he was trying to figure out what to do with prigozhin and with wagner. and that he said that he would be surprised if prigozhin didn't face further retribution. take a listen to a little bit more of what director burns had to say. >> i think putin is someone who generally thinks that revenge is a dish best served cold. so he's going to try to settle the situation to the extent he can. in my experience, putin is the ultimate apostle of payback. >> reporter: the ultimate apostle of payback. burns said that putin is someone who doesn't like to appear rash, he doesn't like to rush things. and so as you have noted repeatedly, it has now been exactly two months since prigozhin launched this failed mutiny. that is enough time for that dust to settle. but there is in no way any kind of confirmation from the biden administration that prigozhin was killed. i spoke to a spokesperson from the national security council just a little bit earlier today who said that if confirmed, however, no one should be surprised. echoing what the president had to say. >> alex, appreciate it. thank you. joining me former u.s. defense secretary, former cia director leon panetta. mr. secretary, good to have you with us. as we heard from alex, for most officials it was not a question of if but when. noting that putin was likely biding his time. would you agree with that assessment, and do you think that putin was involved? >> you know, i think for those of us who dealt with intelligence, this is not very surprising. there was a coup attempt two months ago to basically go after putin. it was one of the biggest threats he's faced as a leader in the time that he's been a leader in russia. and then add to that fact that putin is kgb. he's kgb agent who has used vengeance to go after those who have in any way crossed him. you begin to put all that evidence together, and as i said it's not surprising that prigozhin met this end. >> what has been surprising, clarissa ward and i were talking about this before the break, is the fact that we -- i can remember when prigozhin popped up and everybody was surprised after that mutiny, when he popped up again. and the fact that he would be around russia, seemingly going about his business, we're not seeing him on a regular basis, but the fact that he felt comfortable enough, yes, there's a degree of popularity that he enjoys in russia with the russian people, but does that surprise you? >> i think when you look at the approach that putin has taken in the past, it's basically to allow those that he's targeting to become very comfortable. and i think he did that with prigozhin. he basically made him feel at home, that though kind of retribution would be paid, and as he became more comfortable, he became a better target. i think that's what's happened. >> how much of this is allowing somebody to be comfortable, sort of waiting maybe a little bit of surprise here, do you think could play into it? what about other current events happening, for example what we're seeing with the nations, the meeting that putin couldn't go to in south africa? all of this happening at once. do you think any of that, again, if -- there's a big if here -- there was some level of involvement from vladimir putin and if this was a targeted assassination, how much could those events do you believe have played into the decision? >> well, i think this is much simpler than all of that. i think this goes back to when the coup happened. and when somebody made a military coup that threatened to bring putin down, i think the dye was cast. and that from then on it was just looking for the right opportunity to be able to get back at him. you know, putin has the schedule, he's obviously trying to be in a place that doesn't necessarily tie him to what happened with this plane crash. but i think in the end, there's no question in my mind that once prigozhin did what he did, that he was going to be targeted one way or the other. and that's what's happened. >> as we heard in that bite that alex shared from director burns, putin is the ultimate apostle of payback, he said. i was also struck by the amount of information that was made available seemingly so quickly. different angles, the video on state media. we know where that information comes from, right, as matthew chance is pointing out. these are not independent journalists out there gathering this quickly to bring it back to russian state media. getting that information out so quickly, announcing that there would be an investigation, again so quickly, is that all just part of the playbook? >> i don't think there's any question it's part of the playbook because what that message basically was is that russia was announcing that this plane had crashed and that prigozhin was on it. what that sends is a very clear message that if you try to threaten putin in any way as prigozhin did, you're going to pay a price. that message is loud and clear, and the russians have made -- have made it known that you cross putin and you're not going to be around very long. >> really quickly, we're out of time, but a yes or no. do you believe we'll ever know fully what happened? >> i don't expect that there's going to be a kind of full investigation as to what happened with this plane. i'd be very surprised if they found some innocent cause of this plane crash. i don't think there's any question one way or another it was blown up. >> secretary panetta, always appreciate your insight and time. thank you. >> good to be with you. so while we don't know exactly what happened to that plane carrying prigozhin at this hour, what we do know is that russia has shot down passenger planes in the past. we're going to take a closer look at those incidents just ahead. also, keeping a close eye on all of the developments out of fulton county, georgia, where rudy giuliani just posted bond and was released from the fulton county jail. this as another former trump lawyer, sydney powell, is being processed at that jail. stay with us for those developments next. just sold the car to carvana. what? 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>> reporter: well, the district attorney's office adamant that all the defendants here are going to be treated it the same. there's one big difference. of course, trump is a former president. he has secret service detail. just logistically this is a little more complicated. right now we expect that he will come to atlanta to be -- to surrender in the evening. so after rush hour traffic. i mean, if you've ever tried to drive in atlanta, it's kind of a nightmare. so logistically to make it easier with his motorcade, he is going to surrender to the fulton county sheriff tomorrow evening, and as of now it is expected he will go through that same surrender process which involves fingerprints and likely a mugshot. he did not have a mugshot taken in his federal cases or criminal case in manhattan. but right now in fulton county, we do expect he will have a mugshot. so far all of those mugshots have been released publicly. a significant, unprecedented event in american history to have a former president with a mugshot. but we expect tomorrow he'll be in and out. this will be a quick trip to atlanta from bedminster, new jersey. >> yeah. and as you point out, you need to time that right. having lived in atlanta for five years, i know all about the traffic you referenced. appreciate it. also joining me now cnn anchor kaitlan collins is here. so when we look at this, any other time there's been an indictment, any time there's been any activity here legally, this is a boon for the president -- former president in terms of fundraising. he really uses it, plays off of it, plays it up on social media. he even posted that he was going to be proudly arrested on truth social. but privately, what are the concerns? >> reporter: well, i think they are trying to use it twofold. essentially one which is how did they continue to use it as this boon. i mean, that's part of the reason why he's not showing up at the debate tonight is because he is so far ahead in the polling. part of that is a surge that we saw, something, you know, ron desantis laments after his first indictment. so they certainly do try to get as much out of it. he's likely speak after he turns himself in tomorrow before he gets on the plane to come back to new jersey. and so i think when you see that, they're trying to use it. the other part is he's facing four indictments. the legal fees are really piling up. they understand that this is going to be a potentially extremely protracted case. they don't know what the future of this is going to look like. his attorneys in georgia, of course, are the ones that are going to be there with him tomorrow. certainly it does weigh on him in that sense. i think it changes the political calculus which is what he has said privately and acknowledged privately is this campaign has a lot to do -- mainly almost everything to do with the fact that he is running because of these legal troubles as legal insulation. so that's a big part of it, too. yes, he enjoys it, yes, he -- to the sense that he raises money from it, it boosts his poll numbers. also he feels that he has to essentially because this is his main sense of protection when it comes to these trials. >> he's also fascinating when you look at this, and i'm thinking not only of the developments out of the mar-a-lago case yesterday, but when we look at the inner circle and how many people who have been so close to the former president are now facing charges themselves. we're seeing them surrender in georgia. looking at rudy giuliani, that's got to weigh a little bit. >> reporter: look at their mugshots. the ones coming out, that is most stunning as someone who has covered this and was covering this from before the election and then in the aftermath of the election, after jianuary 6th, i seeing mugshots of people in the trump campaign who was inside the oval office, and they're negotiating bond agreements and showing up to surrender themselves. people like kenneth chesebro, in this sense, that is remarkable. the other part is there are a lot of people who aren't personally wealthy, that aren't named trump, that don't have a legal defense fund. right now we don't know of anyone whose legal fees he's paying when it comes to the georgia case. and so these are really long cases, the racketeering ones. so the question, of course, how did they get outside assistance, do they seek cooperation because they can't afford to pay for something like this? is there -- paula raises a really good question about rudy's private plane. the fact that rudy giuliani's private plane, the fact that that is such a real issue for him and posting bond just shows you what the havoc this has wreaked on the people around him. >> i was told in my ear that jenna ellis just surrendered. speaking of legal fees -- >> financial troubles -- she's the one complain abouting probably the most about it. and she was the most prolific pushers of lies about the 2020 election. she's the one who called sidney powell and rudy giuliani this elite strike force. she is someone who's out there. and now she is complaining that maga inc., you know, this entire movement, is not covering her legal bills. it's a real issue. i think she'd only raised a few thousand dollars the last time i check for her legal bills. for people like that it raises a question of what the future olds. also these are the allegations about their own actions that they chose to take. >> right. we've heard from a number of our legal analysts, yes, there can be concerns. but the reality is if you make certain choices in life, there are likely going to be consequences. sometimes they come with criminal charges. appreciate it. the charges against giuliani are just part, of course, of his problems. just ahead, as we were touching on, he is struggling to find a legal team to help his defense. 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>> he's called for an evidentiary hearing. that's unusual in states to get these people in this early. that's monday. he might give him a grace period until monday because he is holding daughter make a decision about it -- holding court to make a decision about it. the path of least resistance is to let him be processed like everyone else and have the hearing monday well whether or not to to transfer it to federal quarter. sometimes that's going to happen regardless if he stays a defendant in the case. this is really more about what happens if he's transferred -- >> what is it ultimately -- beyond delaying the inevitable, what's your -- what's your legal reasoning for doing this, counselor? >> i think it's a smarts move by the defendants to try to get over into federal court. we know mark meadows is doing that, jeffrey clark is trying. i'm certain donald trump will -- >> everyone's waiting. that's the big question is when will that happen. >> exactly. you have to do it within 30 days. i think we'll see motions fairly quick. if they win these motions -- and they have a shot. i don't think they're likely to win, but they have a reasonable shot. that is a game changer. you go from state to federal court. if you're donald trump, you have a much better jury pool, much more favorable to you based on the 2020 elections data. you have a very conservative federal appeals court, the 11th circuit backing you up. and most importantly, if you can get this into federal court, you are then in position to ask for a if you can make a showing that you are acting within the parameters of your job. prosecutors will refute that but that's the battleground. >> i feel like we're rammed fire. it is such a busy afternoon. get ready. rudy giuliani today, there's been so much made of the fall from grace of america's mayor. the fact that he was once one of the top prosecutors in the country. the fact that there are questions about who is ult ultimately going to be defending him, and how he will pay his legal bills. >> a good question. >> how much does that figure into where he will come down? he was defiant outside the jail a few moments ago with our colleague, nick valencia. how long does that last? >> i think it lasts forever. it is it was one of rudy giuliani's best performances in the past years. he said all the right things. he was cogent, coherent. his hair color was a normal color. >> the important things? >> and he posted some serious questions. if lawyers can't push novel legal theories in defense of their clients, what can they do? it's a question that i think will need to be answered. these cases impact the intersection of law, public policy, right? and campaigning and politics. and where those expect will be very important. >> so that we know is the defense we'll be hearing from john eastman. we're hearing it from his attorneys. i want to play a little bit of what we're hearing last night. >> his role was 100% that of a lawyer trying to come up with creative ideas that pushed the margin of the law in order to reverse the electoral college count. so he's unique. he is on trial for being a lawyer who was coming up with creative ideas. >> the question is, when do creative ideas and legal advice turn criminal? >> there's a fair point in what silverglate is saying. people lose arguments in court all the time. i've lost once or twice, you've probably lost once or twice. >> never lost. undefeated. >> people lose 9-0 in the supreme court. judges throw out motions. judges say this is frivolous. that doesn't make it criminal. what prosecutors are alleging is this was more than just bad lawyering. this was part of a broader conspiracy of fraud and attempt to steal the election. but don't listen to anyone who says this is an easy case. this is a really difficult case. >> which they need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt to 11 people. >> well, 12. >> i think we just got in, and this is quick by the way, rudy giuliani's booking photo. i believe we have? there we go. i mean, it took a while. we were told yesterday afternoon we would be getting them. the fact that this was released. why would you release that photo so quickly? >> the policy is to let it go public to the media. it's this is one of the times it flies in the face of it. they're rolling it out as soon as the printer prints and the film is dry. they're giving the photos out. >> is that because there are so many co-defendants and they are tired of the media saying when am i getting the picture? or is it -- >> i feel like it is some of both. it it is a joke to say this case is being handled like every other case. you can see the courthouse, the barriers around the jail, you can see the camera crowd, you can see that trump will come into a completely emptied jail facility to protect his own safety and the secret service is arranging that now. it is not being handled the same. the photos, i mean, they're embarrassing for the people who do it. but the truth is the big photo to come if they go through with their discussions, that being trump. >> if that's donald trump's picture we're looking at, it will give him a couple bounce points in the next poll and millions of dollars. >> and the campaign was already fundraising off fake booking photos. let's remember, not that long ago. so to your point, even though sheriff has said everybody will be treated the same, how much do you weigh the politics of it? >> the reason to do booking photos -- >> they don't know who he is. rudy giuliani has the most famous face in the world. we talk about donald trump. but do you need giuliani's photo? 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