staff member. speaker kevin mccarthy. and the time to george santos. and pleaded not guilty, and the indictment says he asked for more than a dozen contributors to fund santos's campaign. he also got a 15% commission from it. prosecutors allege hero a letter to santos back in 2022 saying quote, thinking my identity to big donor. you also wrote, high-risk reward. in everything i do. something he said that in turn out to be true. thank you so much for joining us tonight, cnn prime time with wolf blitzer starts right now. >> excellent show, caitlin, thank you very much. to our viewers, good evening. i'm wolf blitzer here in washington. we want to welcome you to cnn prime time. there's breaking news we're following right now. a texas woman has been charged with threatening in a voice mail to kill the federal judge overseeing the criminal case against former president donald trump. over his attempts to try to overturn the 2020 presidential election. the suspect, allegedly called the chambers a federal judge tanya chutkan on august 5th, and left a voice mail message, threatening to, quote, kill anyone who went after former president trump. we'll have more on the story, it's breaking, news that coming up in just a few moments. it comes as we are on the verge right now of a truly unprecedented calendar collision, leading to a presidential campaign like nothing we've ever seen before. the 45th president of the united states, facing courtroom dates in the coming weeks and months here in washington d. c.. in south florida. in new york. and in georgia. all while he's running for a second term. fulton county d. a., fani willis, says she wants to rein donald trump in his 18 codefendants, the week of september 5th. she wants to start his trial on march 4th, 2024. the day before super tuesday, when more than a dozen states hold the presidential primary elections. that, as lawyers for the former president are in ongoing negotiations, with the dea over details of his surrender before the august 25th deadline. meanwhile, his advisers believes he's not planning to debate on august 23rd. that's next week. asa hutchinson, one of trump's republican rivals, i s standing by live. he will weigh in. the death toll has risen now to at least 110 in the maui wildfires, as searchers are still digging through the ruins of once thriving communities. hawaii's governor, josh greene, told me this earlier tonight. >> 38% of the territory has been covered by the rescue teams. they're really accelerating now, as you mentioned earlier, we're adding 225 additional people to go into search and rescue, another 20 dogs taking up to 40 dogs. much more territory will be covered quickly. tonight, alaska hawaii senator, mazie hirono, what it will take to heal maui and its people. right now, joining, us senior justice correspondent, evan perez, and chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller. also with us, former federal prosecutor, jean rossi. and national security attorney, bradley moss. i want to get right to evan and john on the breaking news we're following, a texas woman charged with threatening to kill the judge overseeing donald trump's election interference case. evan, this woman is in texas, what are you learning? >> wolf, she made a threat. this was a voice mail she left in the chambers of judge tanya chutkan, overseeing the election subversion case of the former president. this threat, according to authorities, she leaves a threat that says, if trump doesn't get elected in 2024, we are coming to kill you. she goes on to make additional threats. she also made threats to kill congressman sheila jackson lee. all democrats in washington, and members of the lgbt community. there's, obviously, a lot of threats like this that periodically make their way elected officials, judges, of course we saw the very serious assassination attempt of a supreme court justice in the last few months. so, the fbi, the justice department, takes every one of the seriously. you never know which one of these things could turn out to be true. in this case, this woman, her name is abigail joe -- she told the investigators from dhs, she had no plans to travel to washington. that she was making these threats verbally. so, it appears this one was a much more limited case. obviously, all of these things are very concerning. whenever the authorities come across them. >> if you read this criminal complaint, which i've read and you've read, it's pretty scary stuff what's going on. john, the investigators say the woman used racial slurs and threatened to kill anyone who went after former president trump. as these prosecutions move forward, is there a likelihood of yet more threats of violence? >> i think there's a certainty of it. i think this case is pivotal. what we've seen in new york city, district attorney alvin bragg who brought the first trump case, has had a security detail increased because of the number of threats. including racial epithets and suggestions that he should be hung or shot and killed. fani willis in atlanta, in the fulton crafty grand jury of the indictment we saw, this week, we've seen the same conduct of threat, increaseri. interestingly, even sheriff -- the fulton county sheriff has said he's gotten threats and racist comments. this arrest, against an african american judge, sitting in the u.s. district court in d. c., saying, if donald trump is not reelected in 2024, we're going to kill you. the idea that this call was tracked to an individual, an arrest was made, a federal charge is being held, bail has been denied. she's gonna be sitting there for 30 days, before a detention hearing, it's a signal that the department of homeland security, the federal protective service, the u.s. marshals, the fbi, are gonna take these cases seriously. in track these threats back to people. and put a price on it. >> they want to send a message out there to others, if you even think about doing, this you could be in deep, deep trouble. all, right everybody standby. i want to turn to the former presidents very complicated legal and political calendar right now. cnn's tom foreman is over the magic wall for us. set the scene, tom. >> forget about all the legal wrangling that will happen later this year, forget about the civil fraud a trial that starts in october. against trump in his organization. let's go to the election year. january 2nd. if things stay where they're tentatively put right now. they probably won't, but if they do. the election subversion trial would start on january 2nd. two weeks before the iowa gop caucuses, the first in the nation test of whom might become the gop nominee. january 15th, the second e. jean carroll case. remember, she won the first one. the second defamation case would get started. that is the day of the iowa gop caucuses. even if all that started when it, did when it scheduled to start, and even if it were all done by the end of february, which is virtually impossible, here comes march. the georgia election subversion trial is currently aiming at march 4th, the very next day's super tuesday. a day when 15 states, plus american samoa, we'll dish out the largest set of delegates in the entire race, to determine who the nominee should be. and then it goes on from there to march, when the hush money trial gets started. may 20th or 27th, when the classified documents case is theoretically gonna be started. and again, even if all of that worked, and even if you got to july 15th and 18th in the gop convention arrives, yeah, a lot of people maybe excite about donald trump being their candidate. he will be a candidate who have a whole nation listening to months of sworn testimony about what he did, that many are going to say, would not make him a good candidate. or a good president. again, wolf. >> truly unprecedented material. of course, all of these dates, potentially could change. so far, how has team trump reacted to these potential conflicts with his campaign? >> if you look at all of that and say, boy, that would be impossible to run a successful political campaign. that's in effect where they're trying to say. they're trying to say, it's all political. look what he put up on truth social after jack smith had suggested his prosecutors, suggested january 2nd for the election interference thing. only an out of touch lunatic would ask for such a date. one day into the new year, and maximum election interference, with iowa. over and over again, the trump team is saying, this is all about the election. over an over again, these prosecutors and others are saying, this is all about the law, and the fact the app to follow the law. if that makes people not want to vote for you, so be it. wolf? >> tom, stay with us, don't go too far away, i want to bring back evan perez, john miller, jeanne rossi, and bradley moss. brad, let me share with you. this news about the threat to judge chutkan, how has this changed the threat level around this case? it's chilling to hear what was said on that phone call. >> it's absolutely disturbing, all i can say is, it's gonna get worse. before it ever gets better. part of the problem, everyone is treating donald trump with kid gloves right now. no one wants to be the judge, the prosecutor, anything who tries to silence him, because of the political backlash. you haven't seen the dea, even seen jack smith ask for it yet, it was the judge is contemplating it yet. as this gets worse, as the thats continue to expand, will there be a real action? we've seen donald trump attack witnesses. he went after mike pence twice. he's gone after the judge by name. at what point to someone say, enough is enough. we have to rein him in. before someone gets killed. >> so, so important. jeanne, let's go to the georgia indictment. fani willis, the, judges aiming to get all 19 defendants, all 19 defendants, arraigned over the next three weeks. she wants the trial to start on march 4th. is that timeline realistic? >> unrealistic. i had -- agreed to a case involving 19 defendants. what happened, was it a january 6th case, we divide it up the case into two cases, some played out, and you had two separate trials. there was absolutely no chance that 19 defendants will go to trial in march, too many motions, too many attorneys, too many schedules. >> do you agree, bread? >> yeah, i think it's pretty bold. i don't think jack smith is getting jenner 2024 for his case. march is the earliest will see any cases. i think may might hold for the documents. when it comes to fani willis, i think she's getting pushed to the summer. remember, if any of these get to trial, donald trump almos t certainly gonna lose. he's gonna get convicted. his hope has to rest on the pretrial motions. he's going to appeal it as far as he can, go in every little piece, in delay and push this off. he does not want to face a conviction in a sentencing before that election. >> important, evan, sources telling cnn, that trump's lawyers, as you know, an ongoing negotiations right now over the details of his surrender. as we all know, this is the fourth time that trump lawyers have had to negotiate his surrender. we're talking about the former president of the united states. what's unique about it this time? >> well, the unique thing is, obviously, georgia has a bit of a different system. in previous ones, we've seen there is a present meant, and then an arraignment, they've managed to do them at the same time. in this case, what they're negotiating right now, first of all, just for him to turn himself in. we'll be fingerprinted, and mugshot it. according to the sheriff, they're gonna treat this like any other case. at least that's what he's saying right now. so, the possibility exists, wolf, that this might be the first time we actually see a mugshot from the former president. they've taken one in new york, but new york law doesn't allow the release of it. the feds did not take a mugshot, he is the one of the most recognizable people on the planet. so, they didn't think it was necessary. the georgia, they say, they're gonna do their normal process. so, trump being trump, he's already said, and his campaign have said, they would use this but to fund-raise. to raise more money for his campaign. they find this to be something that would be good for him. they believe, at least. that is part of the process. one of the things that we know is going on, -- was talking to sources around the trump, they're trying to negotiate a surrender next week. but then there's also the date of september 5th, which is when fani willis is sketched out for him to be arraigned. we have a bifurcated process in georgia, he'll be going to court, potentially, to georgia a couple of times. >> let me john miller weigh in on this. what you expect, john? >> i think, when it's time to surrender in georgia, most of the logistical negotiation about that process, that's gonna make aaron anything different, it's gonna happen between the secret service and the sheriff. what the sheriff said, show up at the jail, not at the courthouse, none of the sheriff's office, show up at the jail, were open 24/7. we'll leave the light on for, you it's basically what he's saying. we'll get you booked, we'll get you released. that it. that's the same message to all the defendants. he doesn't single out president trump as being special. the difference, which president trump, is he's always in anomaly as interest by law enforcement. because he's escorted, protected, and surrounded by other law enforcement, to with the secret service. it makes it a tad awkward. >> very awkward, indeed. very quickly, john. if he were to eventually wind up in jail, and that's a huge if, let's say he were. would secret service agents be it we with him in that cell? >> that is a questions we have kicked around here for literally months, since the first indictment. i think, you know, there's a couple of bad assignment in the secret service. that might be one of them. >> that will be pretty bad. indeed. guys, everybody standby, there's a question, will donald trump take the debate stage next week? 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>> well, wolf, first of all, he does owe it to all the republican voters to go participate in the debate. he has to answer the tough questions. he's got to not only respond to the moderator in the questions, which will be tough, but also, from the other candidates that are there. i don't know whether he's going to appear or not. if he is there, i intend to hold him accountable. i intend to ask the tough questions as well. he would be disastrous as a second term president. conducting his revenge tour. he would also cause us to lose up and down the ticket in the 2024 election. >> it's interesting, governor desantis still hasn't pounced on trump's legal troubles, he called the latest indictment, and i'm quoting him now, a criminalization of politics. is this a winning strategy, do you believe, for desantis? >> well, what they're trying to do it both ways, go after trump at the same time attacking the system. the system needs to be reformed, but here, you've got a state prosecutor, with a grand jury making decisions. for a grand jury's meeting and finding probable cause. if that's not a concern to the voters, if it's not a concern to the candidates, we're really in trouble. what's concerns me is, we have our institutions being attacked. being attacked by donald trump. he's leading us to attack the justice system. to attack our democracy. he's undermining our judges and our prosecutors, and threatening, in some ways, that they're somehow out of line, because they're pursuing the law. so, this is unhelpful. somebody needs to stand up for the rule of law in this country. i intend to do that. >> i know you've said, governor, that trump's fourth indictment, and i'm quoting you now, has disqualified him from ever holding our nation's highest office again. but look at, this this latest quinnipiac poll, showing trump and biden are essentially tied, biden at 47%, trump at 46%. how do you explain this? >> well, i think that, where we are today, but as the facts soak in from the different indictments, then people are gonna realize that there is going to be impossible for him to win in november 2024 election. i am here and iowa, i've been to the iowa state fair, as you know, talking a lot to a lot of voters out here. i just really sense that, of the voters, they're concerned about all the drama around donald trump. we don't need four more years of it. they're starting to be concerned about the country. under his leadership. as that goes on, with the facts developing, you're gonna see those numbers decline. it could be this, fall it could be this winter. those numbers will decline, they'll start here in iowa. >> the same quinnipiac poll, by the, way shows 54% of americans think trump should be prosecuted on criminal charges, linked to the 2020 election in georgia. 42% say he shouldn't be prosecuted. he's been indicted, as you, know a 91 crimes and four criminal cases, yet he's still the gop front runner. explain that? >> of course, those numbers would be different in the gop primary voters. they see and unfairness in the system. it's easy whenever donald trump portrays himself as the victim. that wind people over. they don't trust the system. it really is not the right thing to do about our system of justice. i could look at it as a former federal prosecutor, and i say the georgia case should have been withheld. it should've been deferred, and handled under jacks mitt's purview, because the federal case overlaps that. i can see how that would be the right thing to do. i'm surprised that she pursued that. the fact is, he's morally responsible for what happened on january 6th. you've got multiple cases now, this could determine whether or not he's criminally responsible. i'm looking at it as a candidate, and ultimately, the voters are gonna decide this. they're gonna have a lot of facts that will be confronting them between now and voting time that i believe they will hold donald trump accountable. >> you governor asa hutchins, and thanks so much for joining us. we'll see you other on the campaign trail. >> all right, thank, you great to be with you. a senate 2024. com. >> all right, thank you. the man once known as america's mayor is now indicted alongside donald trump in georgia. we'll go inside his rise and fall, and we'll see what's going on. by the way, the cnn original series, giuliani, what happened to america's mayor, that's this saturday eight pm eastern, right here on cnn. just ahead, the death toll in hawaii rises to at least 110. and many residents are still looking for answers about their missing loved ones. how is senator mazie hirono is here with me. we'll be right back. my cpa told me i wouldn't qualify for the erc tax refund, so i called innovation refunds. their team of independent tax attorneys will work with your cpa to determine if your company is eligible. 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>> that is why there are increasing numbers of people, as well as cadaver dogs being deployed to the areas. so that the search can continue. we are also stepping up the ability to identify the remains. when i visited with the fbi, for example, today, when they are sending their resources to help with the identifying of the remains. so, all of these are priorities actions that are being taken. in addition to some 700 federal agency employees who are now there to help with the effort. >> during tonight's briefing, as you probably know, the maui emergency management agency administrator was asked if he regretted not sounding the islands warning sirens. he responded, and i'm quoting now, i do not. senator, you've said he would not make any excuses for failed communication leading up to the fires. have you been briefed on the states review of the emergency response there? are you satisfied with what you know so far? >> well, i know that the attorney general is reviewing the pre, during and post of this disaster. that is ongoing, i do believe the maui -- was premature in his assessment of the situation. in saying that he does not regret not sounding the alarm. >> people wanted to hear that alarm, i suspect. efforts to fully contain the fires, as you well know, senator, are still underway. the maui county fire chief is asking people to remain vigilant, because, in his words, weather is coming in. and winds are up. are you concerned this situation, god forbid, could actually get worse? >> i think, at this point, the firefighters are there, not just from maui, but of course there are people from california, as far as i know. other counties. so, we are on, very very high alert. so, my expectation, of course, is that none of this is going to accelerate. >> yeah as, you know, the bidens will visit the maui on monday. do you believe that the federal government has done enough to support your constituents? >> we are going to need continuing efforts by the federal government, all of what we call the family of federal agencies. in, fact president biden was one the first people to call me last week, as well as a number of senior administration officials, including the secretaries of the department of defense. the d. o. t., it said. or the continuity of effort from all of us will be required. because recovery will take time and resources. when i was in maui the volunteers, the community is very strong. we are going to need continuity of support and effort. that is what i expect the president to understand when he comes to see for himself on monday. >> it will be really important for him to see it up close. senator hirono, thank you so much for joining us. please, our best wishes to everyone in white. this important note to our viewers, for more information about how you, our viewers, can help the people of maui, go to cnn. com slash impact, and you will impact your world. coming up, a russian drone striking grain depots in odessa, ukraine. that's according to ukrainian presidential advisor who was saying russia is specifically targeting food supplies. we'll get a military assessment on what this all means from general wesley clark, who standing by, live. psoriasis really messes with you. try. hope. fail. no one should suffer like that. i started cosentyx®. five years clear. real people with psoriasis look and feel better with cosentyx. don't use if you're allergic to cosentyx. before starting get checked for tuberculosis. an increased risk of infection, some serious and a lowered ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor about an infection or symptoms or if you had a vaccine or plan to. tell your doctor if your crohn's disease symptoms develop or worsen. serious allergic reaction may occur. best move i've ever made. ask your dermatologist about cosentyx®. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ wherever you go. wherever you stay. all you need is one key. earn and use rewards across expedia, hotels.com, and vrbo. wow, you get to watch all your favorite stuff. it's to die for. and it's all right here. streaming was never this easy, you know. this is the way. you really went all out didn't you? um, it's called commitment. could you turn down the volume? here, you can try. get way more into what your into when you stream on the xfinity 10g network. russia's targeting ukraine's grain warehouses in its latest drone attacks. the country attacking the port of rennie, along ukraine's danube river, according to ukrainian officials. despite the severe damage, no casualties were reported. one ukrainian official accused moscow of specifically targeting food supplies. since russia pulled out of the ukraine grain deal last month, small ports such as rennie and become vital for ukrainian grain exports. i want to bring in cnn military analyst, retired u. s. army general, wesley clark. the former nato supreme allied commander. general clark, thank you for joining us. talk to us a little bit about this latest russian strike against ukraine. what does it signal to you? >> first of all, of course, it is an effort to keep ukraine from exporting its grain. this is an attack that has multiple victims to it. first of, all those ukraine. taking away the earnings and substance for ukraine's farmers. it's an attack on europe, because ukraine has to get that grain out through europe. there are issues trying to great get that grain through poland and hungary. it's an attack on sanctions, because russia says, it's the sanctions that we put on that are keeping them from exporting their grain. and they're not going to let that ship channel open until we relieve sanctions. and they think that by hurting the global south, we buy keeping food away from east africa and south asia, some, how these nations are gonna blame at the united states. and our sanctions on russia for this. so, all of these are in play. if you look at that explosion, wolf, that's also a signal to romania. that's an effort to horizontally escalate the combat. we're striking close to nato, you better watch out. that's the message. >> these ports that, as you correctly point out, are incredibly close, these ukrainian port cities, close to the border with romania. which is a nato member. russia has also, as you know, been hitting western ukraine, not far from poland border. another nato member. if one of these strikes, general, were to end up hitting nato territory, whether romania or poland, or some other nato ally, how serious are the implications? >> well, i think the applications are, serious our european allies are looking for america to be more of a leader in this. we're leading in giving the support to ukraine, militarily. but we're not leaving politically. it was the east european nations like poland, estonia, that wanted ukraine to be brought into nato. it's the united states and maybe germany, maybe hiding behind germany saying, not so fast. not so fast. the russians see this. they read our newspapers, they know us very well. they understand this administration is concerned, not to provoke putin. were played by putin's rules on this. they're afraid to provoke him. the more they can stir things up in horizontally escalate, by putting wagner in belarus, by putting belarus move troops up to the border with lithuania and so forth, the more pressure they put on nato. that's all part of the game plan here. we've got to, wolf, we've got to take a greater risk. we've got to move all a little bit faster in this incremental approach of assisting ukraine. times not on ukraine side in this. we need to give them the support they need, as rapidly as possible. and get them through those russian defenses. and back into the sea of azov and threats to crimea. the sooner we do that, the less chance of escalation there is. and this, i guess, i disagree with some inside the administration, who are worried about escalation, they want to slow things down. i think the risk is, if this drags out, you have a greater risk of escalation, horizontally. two other countries in the region. that's what the strike on remy, and other ports along that danube estuary, that's what that says to me. that's the risk of horizontal escalation. >> you make a really important point, general. there is growing tension on the border between poland and belarus, belarus being a key russia ally. specifically, what are you monitoring on this front? >> so, when you look at what's happening in belarus, of course, we don't know what the future of wagner group's. a lot of us thought, from the beginning, this whole thing with prigozhin might have been kabuki dance. maybe it was just a way of exploiting western confusion, shifting effort, bringing lukashenko in closer to putin. there were a lot of different dimensions to it. what we do have now, for sure, a greater tension between belarus, poland, lithuania, and kaliningrad, that other appendage of russia that's separated geographically. through the suwalki gap. that's a real point of potential escalation. and both lithuania and poland are very, very cognizant of. this >> hearing from a lot of folks in poland, specifically, how worried they are right now about potential russian attack on poland. if you attack one nato ally, if attacked all nato allies. of course, including the united states. all this comes amid continued struggles for ukraine and its military counter offensive against the russian occupation. how could -- what could change, general, the dynamic right now, how concerned are you this could impact western support? >> well, i think, first of all, the expectations for the ukrainian counteroffensive got out of hand. this was never gonna be a blitzkrieg, not after russia had a year to prepare all old fortifications. even if ukraine had had air superiority, it wasn't gonna be a blitzkrieg. too many minefield out there. the ukrainians are actually doing quite a commendable job in the south, going through those minefields. at the same time, the russians have a major counteroffensive going, coming toward kupiansk in kharkiv. this is really of concern. we're not seeing that much. occasionally, the ukrainians say, we're holding some troops back. the russian plan, obviously, was to thin out their defenses in the south, absorb the ukrainian push with their minefields and fortifications. and build up forces in the northeast. and try to breakthrough toward kharkiv and then kyiv. because kyiv is ukraine. ukrainians know this. they are on guard against, it they're working it really hard. so, i think we've got to understand what the dynamics of this battlefield are. this is a tough fight. it's an infantry fight in the south to clear those minefields. they've got to do, that they've got to hold in the north. by the way, wolf, we can't be saying, oh, this has to be finished by the middle of october, because if it rains, that's the end of the offensive. not true at all. ukrainians are moving on foot. they're going through forest and so forth, and really, the worst of the weather, the better for the ukrainians. it keeps the russian helicopters and air strikes off the ukrainians. so, this offensive, counteroffensive, is gonna go on for a long time. >> i suspect you're right. general, thank you so much for joining us. general wesley clark, the former nato supreme allied commander. other news we're following tonight, michael orr, the man depicted in the movie the blindside, alleges in a lawsuit he was never adopted, but rather signed into a conservative tour ship. now, he wants out. what's really out here? 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>> very interesting. because i reviewed the court order. and he was present at the conservatorship hearing. i find it difficult to believe. although anything is possible. that he did not know he was in a conservatorship court. and not being adopted. i only found the one document. and not only was he there. but apparently his biological parents were also given notice. and consented to the conservatorship. >> christine, the two ease dispute allegations. when tilson to the family attorney. the remarks from the family attorneys earlier today. >> the two least did not control any of mr. orr's finances. mr. or picked his own agent. when he signed pro. mr. or signed his own contract. it is devastating to the family. and we hope that it does not have a chilling effect on others, who want to help needy individuals. >> christine, you interviewed the two, he's you've done a lot of reporting on what is going on. here is your take on this this situation? >> wolf, michael or at the time was of course a superstar in high school. and then went on to play in college at the same university he to ease went to. of course for boosters of, ole miss. and then went into the nfl as a number one pick of the baltimore ravens. five seasons there, won a super bowl, three years in the nfl. he made, as far as we can understand well over $20 million in salary as an nfl football player. it does not seem to be a part of this. but the fact that he had, as these attorneys are saying, you had his agent, he was able to be in charge of his career. it does beg the question about the issue of how much control . if in fact michael or was able to go ahead and have his professional career and have the agent or have the money he was making their. there are so many questions here. it goes back really to the movie. where there were concerns about the ncaa looking into violations of what was going on with michael or and the family. getting him to ole miss, their university. so many issues that have now bumbled back to the surface and all my answers are needed. >> finally, 6.12 years the difference between a conservatorship and an adoption. and why would a 37 year old still be under a conservatorship? >> so according to the court records in tennessee i reviewed. the two ease did get an order appointing them as conservator. but what was very interesting to me is that they never signed an oath. and they never had what is called letters of conservatorship issued. so i am of the opinion that the two ease may have had a need for example to add him to insurance, or there might have been something to do with the college. but they never had actual legal authority to manage his funds. in terms of what the difference is between a legal adoption. illegal adoption is when you basically change parents. we terminate the legal relationship with your biological parents. and you then have a legal document that says you are now the legal child of another couple. so that is very different. a conservatorship merely grants the decision-making responsibilities say of a incapacitated adult to a presumably competent and responsible individual. but that is not a family relationship. big difference in my mind is that an adoption would mean that if something were to happen to mr. and mrs. too, an adopted child would have a right to inherit from the family. whereas in a conservatorship, that type of legal relationship does not exist. >> very significant legal defenses ladies, thank you very much for all of that. coming up, michael burry, the famous investor who was one of the first to discover americas -- akin to. thousand i played vocation bill in the big short. as another massive bet. this time, he's putting 1.6 billion dollars online. betting the stock market will crash. that is coming up in the next hour on cnn tonight. focusing on a little blue-sky thinking. i'll be taking meetings... with family and friends. and checking voicemail... as my activities permit. i'll connect with you... after reconnecting with me. ♪ get 1.9% apr for 36 months plus $1,500 purchase allowance on a 2024 xt5 and xt6 when you finance through cadillac financial. ♪ (warehouse ambience) introducing togo's new french dip sandwiches featuring fresh artisan bread piled high with tender roast beef, smothered with melty provolone cheese and served with hot au jus for dipping. try the roast beef or pastrami french dips today only at togo's i will be