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happening from the outside and creates unacceptable strategic threats for us, then they should know that our response to on coming strikes will be swift, lightening fast. >> prisoner swap with russia. trevor reid, an american held in russia for nearly three heres on his way home tonight. and house republicans divided. gop leader kevin mccarthy doing damage control after his comments criticizing a republican colleague after january 6th were caught on tape and released this week. but i want to begin with the war. isa, hello to you. we are learning that the u.s. has credible information that a russian military unit executed ukrainians who attempted to surrender near donetsk. what is the latest? >> reporter: good evening to you, don. this is yet again just more harrowing details of russia's aggression on the ground we've been hearing day in and day out. she said that the u.s. had credible information that a russian military unit that was operating in the east of the country where that offensive is in the vicinity of the donetsk region that really they've been executing ukrainians who were attempting to surrender, just harrowing to think of this. she went onto say, don, that she also heard credible reports of individuals being killed execution-style, of bodies showing signs of torture and then horrific accounts of sexual violence against women and against girls. accounts that she added, don, that are not the result of a rogue unit or individuals but a pattern of systematic abuse. and this was her message for russia. >> let us be clear those who unleashed, perpetrated and ordered these crimes must be held to account. and the evidence of this criminality is mounting daily. our simple message to russia's military and political leadership and the rank and file is this. the world is watching, and you will be held accountable. >> reporter: and what we heard, don, from the ambassador matches with what i've been hearing, what i've heard earlier this week from the u.n. mission rep in ukraine who told me they have verified and they have recorded cases here of summary executions of forced disappearances and rape. and the accounts i heard from the u.n. rep were absolutely horrifying, just chilling, don. >> you've been reporting on the thousands of ukrainians who have been hiding from the russians in the basement of a steel plant in mariupol. what's the latest on that? what do you know? >> reporter: well, the situation in mariupol just for our viewers to get a sense of what is happening remains incredibly dire. there hadn't been a humanitarian corridor there for days now on end. and there are about 100,000 people in the city of mariupol, don, desperate to get out. now, inside that steel plant which has become kind of the last line of defense for ukraine, roughly around a thousand or so ukrainian soldiers, women and children are holed up inside having seen, by the way, no daylight for 50 plus days. i've been speaking to employees of the steel plant, the very people who by the way, don, made the steel for the building you are in, hudson yards. they have managed to escape, the people i've spoken to. they've escaped the russian onslaught in mariupol, but they have been left scarred by loss as well as pain. used to live on mariupol's peace avenue. you want your city to remain the same as it was in your memory, he tells me. that city now lies in ruins, a shell of what it once was. and a steel plant his family has dedicated three generations to suddenly finds itself as mariupol's last line of defense. seeing your city being destroyed is horrible, he tells me. you could compare it to a relative dying in your arms and seeing him or her dying gradually, organ after organ failing and you can do nothing. for his colleague it's also personal. he's lost not just friends but his mother-in-law to shelling when they first tried to flee mariupol. how does this make you feel? you must be so angry. my emotions disappeared already there in mariupol, he says. that's why there's nothing but hate. alexi has worked at the steel plant for 26 years. he's one of 11,000 employees who have kept the iron furnaces turning here. a major play in the metals industry, the plant produces 4 million tons of steel a year. its metal shining brightly in manhattan's hudson yards and london shard. now as russia's pummels its plant and production jolts to a halt, the ceo of the company behind it tells me at least 150 of his employees have been killed and thousands are still unaccounted for. >> out of the 11,000 employees only about 4,500 people got out of mariupol and got in contact with us. >> reporter: he works here says the little girl in the promotional video. built in 197 it was partially demolished during the nazi occupation of the 1940s. now it faces the wrath of a president who says he's denazifying it, attacking the very foundation that his country helped build. holed up inside are thought to be around 1,000 civilians hiding in shelters. women, children and the elderly who haven't seen sunlight in more than 50 days. and then there's the injured in field hospitals like this one. russian forces continue to encircle the plant, and they are not budging. >> i don't think it's the land that he wants. i think it's about sim pbleism. >> reporter: a win in the port city of mariupol would provide president putin with a land bridge between ukraine's crimea peninsula, which russia annexed in 2014. if fully taken one of ukraine's richest men and the main shareholder of the group behind the steel plant tells me via e-mail under no circumstances will these plants operate under the russian occupation. alexi agrees telling me after what they did, never. a wall of streel defending to the bitter end the place they have called home. and don, these incredible acts of defiance -- and you probably can tell but ivan who you heard from there, he had a knot in his throat. and alexi, he was just so visibly angry by everything he has seen. and these are people who not only have lost their homes and been uprooted but have lost loved ones. and now they're hearing that 6,000 plus of their friends and colleagues are still unaccounted for. and just to put it into context for our viewers an advisor to president zelenskyy told me just last week that they believe about 20,000 people have been killed just in mariupol, don. >> isa, thank you so much. thanks for coming in. horrific things that are happening. i want to talk about the ukrainian military is acknowledging they've had -- they've suffered several losses in the eastern towns and villages to the russians, but they're also hearing that ukrainian forces have repelled multiple russian attacks in the donbas. you say ukrainians will have the advantage by night. talk to us about that. where is this fight heading? >> that's often insurgent advantage is that they can't really stand up to a -- necessarily to a modern well-armed military. but at night they have much more mobility, and they can infiltrate the territory that was taken during the day and sabotage the enemy, they can ambush the enemy. they can make possession of that land very, very costly for the invader. and this is a long game, right? like even if russia took over all of ukraine then they have to control it. once you're in a city, once you've taken a city -- say they take kyiv, which i don't think they will, but say they did. they can no longer bomb it, right, they can no longer shell it. their main raej is disappear once they own it. and that's when the insurgency gets difficult, and just look at the united states. we completely dominated the taliban militarily, but 20 years later the cost of holding afghanistan was not worth it. we pulled out. >> listen, i want to get to what's happening in kherson and other areas, but you said there are some concerns you said you have about this explosion at a radio station of you said a rogue russian state. >> it's a strip of russian controlled territory, sort of a rogue state, a rogue russian state in eastern moldova. and there was a war there in 1991. the rest of moldova split-off and formed basically a democracy. it's basically a sort of criminal russian state. it's not recognized by virtually anyone in the world. a lot of russian military and so suddenly i was sort of puzzled like there were these explosions at the radio station. the fsb formally the kgb, the security apparatus in russia, bombed their own apartment buildings in moskow and other russian cities and killed 300 russian citizens and wounded 1,000 more, claimed the czechens had done it and then used that as a pretext to start the second czechen war. in other words they needed a reason the russian citizenry would not question. >> so they're worried they may do the same thing. blame ukrainians as a reason to continue their brutal assault and go further? >> yeah, it's a justification for renewed aggression. it makes me think it's a preparatory step, a rationale for possibly trying to take moldova. >> we will watch. we're getting new video of an apparent ukrainian offensive strike on the russian held city of kherson i want to show you. watch this. so this blast is in the vicinity of a tv broadcaster as reported by the respective news outlet. what would the ukrainians be trying to accomplish here? >> maybe showing that they can do that. i don't know. i'm not sure. i don't know enough about the situation to really analyze it. it was an impressive explosion. >> other video i want to show you there, these images of the aftermath of a rugds strike hitting one of the only two working hospitals in luhansk region. a top ukrainian military official telling cnn the russians knew the hospital wasn't vacant. is this part of putin's play book? >> look, it's a really ruthless war and one of the things she's trying to do is depopulate the regions he wants so he can occupy them. and one way you do that is by executing people, right? you do it by bombing civilian population centers. ia do that by raping women, by torturing people. all those things were done by the bosnian serbs. i think it's pretty clear that's what putin is trying to do. >> i want to talk about trevor reed who was being held in russia. former marine detained in russia since 2019, freed today in a prisoner swap for a russian citizen. it's great news, but it's also remarkable given the extreme tension between the u.s. and russia. how do you make sense of the timing here? >> i mean i timing may not be relevant. i mean it may -- these negotiations take months or years, and i think they probably happen when both parties have something to gain. it may have just happened now. i think these negotiations probably happen separate from the ongoing hostilities clearly, and russia clearly wanted something out of this as well and they made it happen. >> what does a prison swap mean? because you know brittney griner is there and paul. what does it mean for them? >> listen, i'm not a diplomat, but i imagine we would have to come up with two people they want. it's a one-to-one trade. i imagine we'd need a one-to-one trade, people that they really want. >> so putin is continuing to talk about nuclear. he's doing this nuclear saber rattling. what about the use of tactical nuclear weapons? that is a concern he may use so-called small nukes. are you concerned about that? >> again, the use of a nuclear weapon is a thing that nobody wants to see. i think -- i think, you know, any kind of excessive rhetoric about nuclear weapons and the employment of nuclear weapons is not helpful. >> so then, look, more than a month later you still have people russian experts or whatever talking about the possible use of nuclear weapons. what should we do with all this rhetoric? >> my understanding is that there are procedures that precede using a nuclear weapon and that the united states monitors those really, really careful. and that none of those have commenced. so rhetoric is one thing, but actually starting to go through those procedures is another. and i think the rhetoric is a reflection of the fact that the war is not going very well and putin's trying to scare people. i think it's pretty simple. there's probably a red line that he can cross where we would start to take the possibility very seriously. right now i don't think anyone in the u.s. government or military is doing that. >> sebastian, thank you and i appreciate the book "freedom." his new book, freedom. vladimir putin's war on ukraine entering its third month, intense attacks in the east. ukraine fighting back. how long could this go on? 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>> so, don, the biggest areas we're talking about here are right here in the east. so everything that's associated with the donbas region, the area basically south and east of kharkiv and then of course north of mariupol which we just talked about plus the area right around kherson right here, those are the areas we're going to look like. so let's take a quick look at the donbas area. the russians are moving down this way. they're while it's making for dismal conditions in that city however they don't seem to be making a main effort here. the main effort seems to be in this general direction and to some extent into the northwest from the luhansk area. these areas right here are also scenes of fighting. so this is really where most of the fighting in this part of the country is at right now. >> do you think russia can hold onto these eastern towns and villages because we're told this war could go on for months and even years and we've seen how determined ukrainian forces are. >> that's right, don. they're very determined. and i think one of the things sebastian mentioned in the earlier segment is quite key here, and that is this during the nighttime the ukrainians control a lot of these areas, during the cay time sometimes the russians control them, sometimes it goes back and forth between the two countries and this is an area where these so much that can happen that is quite different from what you would normally expect, so as these lines seem to be somewhat static, expect them to be a bit more fluid in that some of these areas are going to switch hands, even some of the bigger cities can sometimes switch possession between russia and ukraine. and it could absolutely last months pus possibly even years unless there's some kind of cease-fire. >> there were blasts heard in three regions bordering ukraine, one of them an ammunition depot in the belgorog region. is this a smart move for ukraine? do they need to be striking out against russian territory to win? >> well, if i were a ukrainian senior officer and i was giving advice for planning the battle i would absolutely be doing this because the russians are located in places like belgorod and other cities. and this is where all the forces and logistics comes from. if you strike at this you basically are telling them not only are you paying attention but you're preventing the southern monument of the logistics trains, of the convoys, of the tanks, of all the things that could potentially harm you. so what you're trying to do is you're trying to cut them off. and that's why it's very important to actually keep this -- this area controlled and to make it very clear to the russians that they can't really hide on their own territory. >> the pentagon is confirming more than half of the 90 howitzers the u.s. is sending to ukraine are now in country. how much firepower could that give to ukraine on the battlefield? >> that could be a substantial increase, don. because they give the ukrainians the ability to strike at various targets they've been able to hit before but in a more haphazard fashion than what they can do now with these howitz ers. of course the ukrainians have their own t72s or will soon have them. their have raiders associated with them that can really strike at targets in a very quick and precise fashion and that can change the equation on the battlefield, and this can be very, very important for the course of the war. and these weapons are absolutely critical to that. >> colonel, thank you very much. really appreciate it. >> you bet, don. an investigation into war crimes under way in bucha. our anderson cooper has the story. that's next. king about retireme, she'll get some help from fidelity to envision what's posossible. fidelity c can help her prioritize her goals by looking at her full financial picture. plus they'll help her pick an investment strategy, one she's comfortable with. and with a clear plan to get to retirement, rayna can enjoy wherever she's headed next. that's the planning effect, from fidelity. that was quick. and rewarding. i earn 3% cash back at drugstores with chase freedom unlimited. that means i earn on my bug spray and my sunscreen. you ready to go fishing? 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>> translator: local residents were killed on this street by the russian military. they were shot and killed even just going out to the street around their business or going to pick up humanitarian aid. >> reporter: he's bucha's prosecutor and now collecting evidence of war crimes. >> translator: people were killed at this point. there were bodies here and there. there were people riding bicycles who were killed by the russian military. >> reporter: russia denies it all. they say the more than 300 bodies found in bucha after russian troops withdrew were staged. as for these satellite images taken in midmarch when russia was occupying bucha it showed bodies in the exact same locations that were later found on the street. russia says they too are fake. but the evidence already overwhelming continues to grow. prosecutors have been gathering evidence for weeks and now reveal to us that they have photographs and videos taken over the course of several days as the killings occurred here. they say the images were captured by a person in this house on their cellphone camera. it was through these windows he saw the slaughter. this is one of his first pictures taken on march 5th. two bodies reportedly killed that day were visible outside his window. on march 6th when this picture was taken a third body is visible on the street. this video taken on march 7th shows at least two more bodies. ruslan says these images and the data in the camera phone they were taken with provides proof of who was killed and when. >> translator: it will prove it was a particular phone and the russian federation will not be able to continue saying this was setup video or fakes. >> reporter: we tracked down the man who risked his life to take these photos and video. we agreed not to show his face. were you scared to take pictures? if they had seen you taking pictures you could have been killed. >> translator: of course there was fear, but i had to prove to them that they killed people who were civilians. >> reporter: do you remember the first person killed on your street? >> translator: the first to get killed was a man on a bicycle left of my house. on match 6th there were several people dead on the streets, seven dead people. i couldn't capture all the bodies from the window. there was a wall in the way. >> reporter: what do you want to see happen to those russians, to ra everybody in the chain of command. >> translator: they must be punished. there was a young guy putting potatoes in a bag there was no water, no heating. he wanted to help and was killed. >> reporter: but punishing the guilty won't be easy. there were a number of different russian units i understand who were tastationed here at one time or another. do you need to try to identify which unit it was, what the chain of the command was. >> translator: and it's very important not only to identify the commanders but the complete troops who committed the crimes have them held accountable. >> reporter: ten russian soldiers in bucha have already been identified he said. using eyewitness accounts and drone footage images like this one taken from a traffic surveillance camera not far from the street. whether he can learn the identities of the russians stationed on the street is unclear. the man killed on march 5th on his bike was a 68-year-old. his wife lives not far away. they were married for 45 years and have two kids and three grandchildren. >> translator: we told him not to go to work because there were tanks on the street. we told him not to go. he said, no, i have to go to work, i have work to do. i don't know what to tell you. it's awful. it's awful. >> reporter: it is all so awful. the bicycle her husband rode is still on the street near the spot where he died. she doesn't want it back. the horror of what happened is just too terrible to face. anderson cooper, cnn, bucha, ukraine. >> anderson, thanks so much. the house minority leader kevin mccarthy defending himself today after leaked audio shows how worried he was about the rhetoric of some in his own party after january 6th. what he said next. 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>> regrettably that's the case. i think too many of my former republican colleagues are very fearful of the trump base and trump in particular. and by letting trump off the mat after the insurrection they empowered trump, and frankly many of the fringe elements of the party, and i think this has been a big problem. and i like to describe what i'm calling the fear caucus. those guys were generally good, honorable people. they need to stand up, speak out because their failure to do so has empowered fringe elements who were never afraid to say outrageous things or incendiary things publicly. that's been the challenge, and i'm afraid trump has a lot of leverage and power over certainly mccarthy and many in the conference. and that's not going to help them if they get the majority because then they're going to have govern and this will be a monumental task for them. >> all this audio comes from gop calls so i mean what do you think? this is self-inflicted. >> well, yeah. i mean this is kind of a predicament of kevin's own making in many respects. republican leadership always want to say we're unified even when we're not. as you pointed out i think kevin mccarthy he probably wiggled out of this for the moment or now. remember donald trump has not yet endorsed him for speaker. so there are still problems out there. they want to talk -- basically division is trump. he's the one that wants to talk about the past insurrection. the division thank is largely driven by donald trump and his obsession with the 2020 election. >> i want to play more of the leaked audio. >> so i'm calling gaetz. i'm explaining to him. but the nature of what -- i'm going to get another one from the fbi tomorrow, this is serious to cut this out. >> yeah, that's potentially illegal what he's doing. >> well he's putting people in jeopardy. >> brooks apparently said today american patriots start taking down names and kicking ass, which i would say is even a step further than kind of a ruatorial take, you know. >> if you think the president deserves to be impeached for his comments -- >> gaetz went on fox tonight to rail against mccarthy comparing him to a liberal college professor or msnbc staffer. it just shows you how the gop is divided. >> yeah, sure. by the way with kevin mccarthy and steve scalise said there were spot on about the reckless incendiary comments of some of their members, you know, at a very difficult time in our nation's history. so they were right. and look, i've always said this. kevin mccarthy will never be able to outflank the far right of the party. there's always going to be somebody out there, tucker carlson or some group, always going to be the right of him. frankly, that's their business model. they want to go out there and say they're the vanguard of the conservative movement or liberal movement. and that's what they do. i think it's a mistake to try to placate too many of those elements and then you'll see control to them. and if he becomes speaker that element is going to then basically try to hold the whole conference hostage. i think it's better like i say don't feed the crocodiles because they'll eat you sooner or later. >> it's interesting he's comparing it to liberal college professor or msnbc staffer because as you said what kevin mccarthy was saying is actually the right thing. so is he saying that a college professor or msnbc staffer is someone who's acting in the right manner? does he not realize what he's saying? >> i think what tucker carlson was saying there -- >> matt gaetz. >> excuse me. what matt gaetz was saying there what kevin mccarthy said i think was a very reasonable thing. this was outrageous what happened what those members said. matt gaetz, i'm surprised he's going out on television talking about anything right now given, you know, his own troubles. ordinarily a member with that kind of problem out there would kind of keep a low profile, but maybe that's way -- >> it has become the theme to double down now. that is sort of the trump tactic is to double down. >> absolutely. basically own your notoriety and then monetize it. that's what they do. that's why politics has changed so much. there was a time when people who got into that kind of trouble couldn't raise a nickel. >> speaking of, it's all a grift. you know that, charlie. i want to ask you about hawthorne. second time he's been stopped for this in over a year, also facing charges of driving with a revoked license for the second time. and then there are the allegations of sexual misconduct. what do you make of this behavior from a sitting congressman? >> well, as a former chairman of the house ethics committee i'm just stunned. i'm sure the committee -- they're not going to tell you. i'm sure the committee is investigating some of these activities of his. remember what he said, too, don, a few weeks ago he said members of congress are doing cocaine and there were orgies and it was a ridiculous statement. good for calling him out publicly for that kind of nonsensical statement. he's just making reckless statements not based in truth or fact. it's pretty clear that his colleagues, seems like nearly all his republican colleagues have had enough of him. i'd be shocked if this guy could survive a primary down there in north carolina. >> thank you, sir. i appreciate it. new york politicians saying the rents are too damn high? well, , it's true now. right after this. ww helped me do it. ww has given me the tools to develop healthier habits for a lifetime. it's sustainable and it's doable. what's your favorite zeropoint food? mine is popcorn. mine is broccoli. ok, we can't be friends anymore. get you first 3 months free today at ww.com offer ends may 2nd. when my genetic reports told me about my heart health, i was able to take action. and i got a kit for my mom, too, so she can get her own meaningful health info. this mother's day, start a new health journey together with mom with $50 off every kit. this is... ♪ this is iowa. we just haven't been properly introduced. say hello to the place where rolling hills meets low bills. where our fields, inside and out, are always growing. and where the fun is just getting started. this is iowa. so, when are you coming to see us? 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>> that is our existence, without it, we would be homeless. >> reporter: rents are rising across the country. up a record nearly 20% on average in two years. double that in cities like memphis, tampa, and riverside, california. but the miami/palm beach area tops them all at 58%. nearly three times the national average. >> when there's a hurricane, it's illegal for gas stations to jack up the prices. why is there not a cap in the state of florida? why am i looking at a 43% increase? >> reporter: in fact, it's illegal in florida to impose rent controls. >> actually gives me a lot of anxiety. >> reporter: sarah is facing a 106% increase on her rent in coral gables, florida. >> try to put it together. >> reporter: for 22 years, she's called this three-bedroom home. she raised her son here. chef says the $1,700 she pays in rent is below market value, but the $3,500 her new landlord is charging is out of eher budget. >> i guess right now, everybody's just price gouging because people need somewhere to live. >> reporter: she set a new budget of $2,800. this week, she found an apartment right next door, but it's smaller and over budget by $400. how does that rationalize in your mind? >> it doesn't. it doesn't rationalize at all and i think it's very unfair. makes me upset. >> you know how many people have reached out? >> reporter: for laura and carson, their search continues, with no prospects in site. so, where does that put you? >> puts me on the street. >> and thank you for watching, everyone. our coverage continues. they were the first to be verified by usp, an indndependent organization that sets strict quality and purity standards. nature made. the e #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand.. ♪ we could walk forever ♪ ( ♪ ) ♪ walking on ♪ ♪ walking on the moon ♪ ♪ some ♪ ♪ may say ♪ ♪ i'm wishing my days away ♪ ♪ no way ♪ ♪ walking on the moon ♪ good evening. tonight only on this program, my conversation with a man who documented what he saw from his window in russian-occupied bucha. what he saw and we have to warn you about what you're about to see, were his neighbors, civilians, dead on the street and the sidewalk, as well. he was documenting war crimes, risking his own life in the process. tonight, you'll hear him talk about why he did it, why it was so important to do what he did, and hear as well from the ukrainian prosecutor using that man's images and video to try to

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