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all around him, trying to go to work. again, these photos were given to us by the official conducting a war crimes investigation on the ground in bucha. all except one, this one, were taken by a local resident, this one of russian armor is from surveillance video, traffic camera video, that's used by investigators right now to try to identify the russian soldiers who were involved in killings in bucha, which can is a very, very difficult task. this comes as cnn obtains other exclusive images placing russian troops at the scene of some of the killings. they come from new drone video of bucha taken during russia's occupation of the town. and it is especially timely, because today, standing next to the u.n. secretary-general in moscow, vladimir putin said this about the atrocity which he blamed for scuttling peace talks with ukraine. >> translator: unfortunately, after reaching agreements and after our clearly demonstrated intentions to create conditions for favorable conditions for continuation of negotiations, we encountered a provocation in the village of bucha, to which the russian army has nothing to do. >> so that's a lie. and it's clearly a lie, and what is so insulting about it, especially to the families of the victims, is that there is clear evidence, as well as eyewitness accounts, satellite images as well. now, remember what we just showed you at the top, those images or most of them were taken by one individual on the street where those people were killed and the camera that took them has been handed over to prosecutors, to war crimes prosecutors, and that can be examined for its data to tell the exact date the photos were taken on, that those photos were taken over the course of several days, march, 5th, 6th and 7th and it actually shows a progression of killings over the course of several days. remember the satellite videos showing civilian bodies from march 18th, when russian forces were clearly in control. now, the russians say those satellite images, some of which you are seeing now, are fake. take a look at the new video dated march 13th, obtained exclusively by cnn. a russian military vehicle at the intersection and, yes, it's small and blurry, but we've identified the three objects just down the street above the -- that vehicle. on the screen, as bodies. the same bolds seen in the satellite images from the 18th. in the video taken march 12th, a number of russian soldiers are seen around a military vehicle parked outside of a house just down the street. from the bodies. cnn asked the russian ministry of defense for comment but did not immediately receive response. just to remind you what those officials are not commenting on and what vladimir putin is blaming on ukraine, here's what bucha looked like at street level when it was finally liberated. the bodies of people killed during that occupation, while the russian army was still there. news from bucha comes as the mayor of mariupol says a third mass grave has been found near the city. he says that russian troops forced local residents to work the site in exchange for food and water. tonight, on the program we'll talk to international court of justices chief war crimes prosecutor about all of it, also news from various battle areas retired four-star army general david me tray yas and wesley clark join us, with russia now again making veiled references to nuclear weapons being used. and today, defense secretary austin responding. >> what i think it is, jen, is it's dangerous and any kind of rhetoric like that, you know, i think is unhelpful. you know, we've said over and over again that a nuclear war cannot be won by either side, and so i think saber rattling and rhetoric like that is just unhelpful. and so, again, hard to say what's motivating mr. lavrov, but again, i think that kind of talk should be avoided. >> joining our coverage tonight, cnn's nick paton walsh reporting on russia's new offensive in the south. matt rivers just back from a tour of chernobyl, where he talked to the world's top nuclear watchdog group about how close we came to a second nuclear disaster there during russia's brief occupation of chernobyl. also with us tonight, cnn's chief international correspondent clarissa ward seeing the battle in kharkiv. up first, nick paton walsh with the southern front. >> reporter: these southern fields conjure a pieces long past, a world away from ukraine's hell. it's quickly ruptured by russia's new offensive. sending waves of evacuees fleeing the growing unthinkable world of russian occupation. families for whom the shelling over the last two hours was finally too much. saying one of the villages were hit down here. the russians aren't close to them yet, but it's impossible to stay. a woman was injured there. anina was 3 when the last war ended, but doesn't know when this one will. hour by hour, everything changes. things are moving fast enough here that just 24 hours ago, a village about four kilometers in that direction was the meeting point from which people were -- get evacuated. now, it seems to be under fire and we see panicked locals rushing in to collect their relatives. distant tree lines are packed with troops. the blue horizon sometimes pock-marked by smoke. there is a rumble of rockets still here and you can see the damage of what they've done before but somewhere like this has felt to some degree it didn't survive the worst of the war, but in the second phase of the russian occupation, the brutality of these forces is essentially coming straight their way. the flag flies still in the spot here where lenin used to stand. and it needs an armor to hold it in place. "people don't want and cannot leave under only passion," he says. "we've managed to get 7,000 out across our 100 miles of front line. some by bicycle, some in wheelbarrows or by foot." here's where they're welcomed, in president volodymyr zelenskyy's hometown. talk of a sham referendum on wednesday, trying to gentry if i the russian occupation, had many flee these past days, with cues of cars backs ued up for miles. this father and son lost a wife and mother, respectively, to a bomb, and even here, do not want their faces shown. "if they see us, they'll shoot everyone left there," he says. "we left on foot, over the water and the river." for this family, it was about saving the eldest. fearing their 18-year-old son would be conscripted after the sham vote. "the first time we tried to leave, they shot at us, a second time, we got out," he says. "we are completely occupied," she says. there "there's no food, no money, we have nothing. they'll do a referendum and take our children. my son is 18 and they'll take him as cannon fodder. we ran as fast as we could of." it is jarring among the generosity of donations and offers of new homes to hear of the casual brutality of the occupiers. mihael was tortured for days in a basement after russian troops mistook his rough builder's hands as a sign he'd been a soldier. one got out a gun, a real one, he says. i saw it was cocked. two shots. they hit the concrete wall. i think it was a starting pistol. two other men came in and talked less. they were drunk. one must have been a boxer as he meat me in the same place, on my ribs, breaking six of them, rupturing a lung. broken in parts here, but even as russia closes in, still breathing. >> and nick paton walsh joins us now along with clarissa ward and matt rivers. nick, you can sense, obviously, the desperation in all the people that you spoke to in that piece. can you just kind of describe the intensity of this new phase of the war in the area that you're in? >> reporter: yeah, i think it's frankly something that hasn't really been on peoples' radar. it is extraordinary to think that here in kryvyr rih, the hometown of president zelenskyy, 20, 30 miles to the south, there are russian troops getting pretty close. in the scattered villages you see there, obviously marooned at times in these huge open fields, but a concerted push, certainly in the last 48 hours, to bring the russian lines much closer to where we are here. where are they going, is the fundmental question. russia announced lofty aims to veer out west towards odesa, maybe towards moldova. seems unlikely, been trying it for two months and had no luck. are they aiming at the symbolism of the president's hometown here? possibly, but pretty well defend as far as we can see. or some suggesting they are headed out east, but i have to tell you, it has been remarkable to hear the accounts of the volume of russian forces on this, the western side of that river that splits ukraine in two, anderson. >> clarissa, you were just coming out of kharkiv, got very close to a missile attack when you were with some paramedics. what does the world look like in that area, kharkiv is the second-largest city. >> reporter: it is just relentless bombardment, i mean it's nearly nine weeks now that kharkiv, day in, day out, has been under fire. cruise missiles into government buildings, shelling -- the shelling is now primarily in the northeastern outskirts, and that's a very important area strategically for the russians, because they have a supply line moving down from the north, from a russian city down to the donbas area and to the city of isium, which is strategically very important for them at the moment. and so the thing the people in kharkiv fear is that as russia tries to neutralize ukrainian counteroffenses, that potentially kharkiv could become the next mariupol, and they see these images new mass graves, they hear the reports of people that were forced to take a shovel and dug these graves in exchange for just some water and food, and understandably, it gives them, you know, a shiver of fear down their spine, because they're so keenly aware of the fact that they are potentially vulnerable to that, as well. i would just say, though, anderson, that it would be a very tall order for russia to be able to fully encircle kharkiv -- >> mariupol had, what, 440,000 residents before the invasion. kharkiv was, what, 1.5 or something? >> yeah, exactly. and it has a strong ring of ukrainian forces who have been launching successful counteroffenses. the russians tried to push in there last month, they weren't successful in doing it. but because of that relentless bombardment, it sort of instills a sort of vulnerability mentally, as well, in terms of morale, because the message you're receiving day in and day out is, you will not be allowed to have a normal life in any way, shape, or form, unless you submit. >> matt, you were at chernobyl today, how did that go? >> the iea director said they found significant damage. the russians occupied that facility early on in the war. they were there for several weeks forcing engineers to work under horrific conditions to keep that defunct power plant operating, essentially. and, you know, that happened on the same day, he said that the iaea would help them restore and repair that, which is pretty significant. this happens on the same day that cruise missiles were launched at another city in ukraine, and those cruise missiles actually flew over a power plant in zap rees ya very low altitude and what we're hearing from officials, that's obviously incredibly dangerous if one of those missiles hits either on purpose or by accident, a nuclear power plant, there could be a huge catastrophe. so, i asked the director of the iaea what his message is to russia right now. >> my message to them, we have to put an end to this situation, we have to restore full safety and security of the nuclear power plants. this is my work and i'm asking them to cooperate with me. >> reporter: how close were we here do you think to the true disaster when the russians are here? >> it's clear that the situation was a dangerous one, because you didn't have a normal kind of lines of command that were not clear. on occasion, we also had interruptions of the external power fueling the plant, which may have led to an interruption of thele cooing systems with bad consequences in terms of environment. so i wouldn't say we were on the verge of catastrophe but not in a zone you would like to be. that is very clear to me. >> and so across the country, you're talking about 15 different nuclear reactors across four different facilities, as long as russia keeps doing what they're doing, those facilities are at risk which means ukraine and frankly, the world, also at risk. >> nick, you talked about this in your piece and some of the people you were interviewing had left ahead of this referendum but this kind of sham referendum that in kherson, it's as early as wednesday, trying to create a new entity that would be called the kherson's peoples' republic, according to ukrainian official, what they are saying is that the russians there are actually having trouble finding enough willing participants to even fake a vote. what are you hearing about this? >> reporter: i've got to tell you, we just don't know if there's going to be a referendum tomorrow. everybody you speak to who leaves kherson says they've been told there was going to be one today, it's wednesday already here. and it's in leaflets and many of them left, frankly, because they were concerned that once that sham referendum had been pushed through, we've seen it, they ask people to vote, do you want to declare a people's republic and that gets recognized, in the case of the donbas, by russia, that would essentially mean that kherson would become closer, sort of legally, in that sort of warped vision, towards the russian federation and for many families, that might mean their men might be conscript ed for te russian military. that caused many to leave and be deeply concerned that life would take a dark turn since then. but it does appear at the moment, we're just simply not sure. i spoke to one senior official here, he certainly didn't know if that would two ahead or not. as you know, some officials appointed in the local government there, that may be the sort of way they take control of the local administration there, but i think it shows possibly the lack of clarity perhaps or the lack of clean control of messaging the russians have over that most important city, the first they actually managed to take. they've seen a lot of protest amongst the local population there, and it's been stunning, frankly, to see the volumes of people trying to get out. i was told of a 20-mile long queue of people trying to get out through a russian-held town, not allowed out and making their way through the fields, but remarkable volumes of people walking on bicycles, wheelbarrows even simply to get out of russian control, anderson. >> just quickly, clarissa, has the full force, the full onslaught of the russian offensive begun already in the east, i mean, it's hard -- there's not a lot of pictures, it's hard to know, but that seems to be the big question. >> i just think it's going to look very different from anything that one might have imagined in terms of some sort of shock and awe. this is going to be incremental. this is going to be a war of attrition. this is going to grind on. russia has thrown a lot of troops at it already, but when mariupol falls, they can potentially throw even more troops at it. but every day, what you're seeing is movement back and forth with russians taking one half of the village, then the next day, the ukrainians taking it back. so, this is not going to be some kind of a slam dunk victory for the russians by any stretch of the imagination, which is why you've seen a real shift in the tone of the white house and the administration in terms of feeling much more confident about ukraine's abilities to potentially win this. >> yeah, and the other question is how quickly can those howitzer and other heavy we weaponry get to those forces in the east. thank you so much, matt, and clarissa. more coming up from here in the next block. in light of new images we've obtained ed of killings in buch we talk to the prosecutor for the international criminal court. and later, clarisclarissa's reporting from kharkiv, a city which has been under siege now for almost nearly nine weeks. finding the perfect developer isn't easy. but, at upwork, we found her. she's in prague, between the perfect cup of coffee and her museum of personal computers. and you can find her, and millions of other talented pros, right now on upwork.com ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ stuff. we love stuff. and there's some really great stuff out there. but i doubt that any of us will look back on our lives and think, "i wish i'd bought an even thinner tv, found a lighter light beer, or had an even smarter smartphone." do you think any of us will look back on our lives and regret the things we didn't buy? 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because i know you've been in bucha, as well, and you talked to that prosecutor who speaks very highly of you. >> well, thank you so much, anderson, for having me, and i think the very chilling pictures that you've shown the world and really fantastic reporting that you and clarissa ward and other colleagues have done, have put a very clear spotlight on some of the reports that are coming out of ukraine. the international criminal court, my office is there for a reason, to collect evidence, to authenticate evidence and to see what crimes have been committed and if so, who is responsible? i think we need to, you know, march forward on this. i think the situation is extremely grave. it's not getting better, and we need to make sure that we find ways to insist on the rule of law prevailing over brute force, bullying and the kind of crimes that are within the court's jurisdiction. >> i should point out, your job is not to side with ukraine, to side with russia, your job is to just follow the facts, find the truth, and bring cases based on that, whether it's cases of prisoners being abused by ukrainian forces or allegations of that, of investigate of allegations of war crimes by russian forces. obviously, the bulk of the allegations thus far are against russian forces. you visited bucha a few weeks ago. how important is it for prosecutors to establish a timeline of exactly when people were killed and also a chain of command line to understand who gave what order? >> well, it's key, and, you know, the pictures that are on the screens now of bodies lying in the streets of bucha, i went to bordyenko, as well, i haven't been to mariupol, but what one is unfortunately going to see as the fog of war lifts are unfortunately likely to be other scenes of a desperate nature that are like those that are on the tv screen. you know, i was there behind st. andrew's church in bucha with the prosecutor general of ukraine and we need to get to the bottom of it. those bodies that are in bags on the screen are not fake. i've seen them. i stood beside them. the issue is, how did they die and who is responsible and what circumstances? and this is why i think independent investigations are needed, because the families of those that have perished deserve answers, and i think the rest of the world is looking for how vigorous and effective the rule of law can be in these circumstances. so we need to go forward in a way that's much more effective perhaps than in the past. >> ukrainian prosecutors say that as many as 300 people were killed in bucha during the time of russian occupation, you alluded to what russian officials are saying that, look, these images are fake, these satellite images are fake, bodies were put here after russia left to make russia look bad. obviously, the satellite images tell a different story, because they show bodies there during the russian occupation, but russian officials say, well, those are fake and the company that makes those images has a contract with the defense department, which is, i believe, true. one of the things the local prosecutor is saying to us about the photographs he showed us today is that the camera itself which prosecutors have will have meta data that has the time, what day those photographs were taken, and the fact that there's a progression of, you know, there's body appear on march 5th, then on march 6th, another body appears. and the eyewitness says that's when someone else was killed, he took a photo. is that sort of data important to building, again, a case in court? >> it's critically important, because we've got, i think the picture on the screen shows one of the pictures on somebody's window, perhaps, and got testimonial evidence, but if you combine that together with drone video, evidence that's recorded that contains meta data, you have then a combination of evidence from different sources that is capable of being forensically examined, and ultimately, it's not going to be anybody's decision, not even my own. we have independent judges that will assess whether or not evidence is fake or authentic, and i think any side of the conflict should not be scared of the truth, and we should trust the rule of law and independent men and women of my office and then ultimately the independent judges of the international criminal court that work in partnerships with the fantastic prosecutor general of ukraine and other national authorities and we are, at this critical moment, yesterday, i signed an historic agreement, the first time my office in 20 years of its -- the court's existence, has signed an agreement with a joint invest team, along with lithuania and poland and uk ukraine. and in addition to those three states, there's nine other states in europe that are looking at accountability. and i think between us, we will ultimately get to the truth, because there's no place to hide in the courtroom. and whatever are the narratives and the counternarratives and evidence, of course, should be promptly be tested. ultimately, we see domestically, we see internationally, you can't hide from the truth, and there will be, i think, a case to answer in due course and we'll wait to see what it is. >> i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. coming up, clarissa ward joins us again with her report from the streets of kharkiv, ukraine's second-largest city, still standing despite the massive destruction brought by russian forces as an offensive is well under way in the east.ao : baseball, ghostbusters, baseball, ghostbusters, baseball... ♪ ♪ it's good to be back! that is one foul ball. let's do this! ♪ ♪ cross the stream! get your tv together with the best of live and on demand. directv stream. now get $30 off over 3 months. when i'm on my hands and knees and i'm digging through the dirt, i feel something in me, like a fire, that's just growing. i feel kinder, when nature is so kind to me. find more ways to grow with miracle-gro. 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"from there and there, they can shell." with her fresh lipstick, larissa is a picture of pride and resilience. much like this city, still standing tall in the face of a ruthless enemy. >> and clarissa ward is back with me now. the -- i mean, the bombardment is so indiscriminate and, i mean, i'm just so struck by the russians -- continually russian officials lying about this, saying we're only using precision weapons, we're not targeting residential areas or shooting or hitting civilians. >> yeah, it's pretty surprising, yet when you look back at the russian playbook it makes a lot of sense. when you particularly think of this new general or relatively recently appointed general, who was known as the butcher of syria, and the tactics that we saw in syria, the targeting of hospitals, the targeting of schools, and that powerful message that that sends to people that you cannot have any sense of normalcy until you submit. while at the same time, officially, continuing to spat out the line that these places are only being targeted because they're being used by, you know, in this case, the nazis. to launch attacks and military attacks are being launched from these areas. we walked around these areas. we were there with those paramedics as they came under fire while they were tending to the wounded in a residential building. we did not see any trace of military. what we did see, ordinary civilians, people trying to live their lives and coming under a hail of artillery and rockets on an almost daily basis. >> and people still trying to live their lives. that woman in your report putting on her makeup. >> yeah, it's really -- obviously we've been traveling a lot around this whole country. the people of kharkiv kind of astonish me in terms of the level of pride and resilience and defiance in the face of that kind of bombardment, to be living on your own in an apartment where the next door building, the entire face of it has been sheared off. and you're still getting dressed in the morning. you're still putting on your lipstick in the morning, just speaks to an extraordinary essential quality in people you really don't see often. >> yeah, clarissa ward, thank you so much, appreciate it. a top u.s. military official is giving a pretty stark warning about the threat that russia posing to global international security if they're not held accountable for their crimes. i'll have details on that next. ♪ ♪ i'm the latest hashtag challenge. and everyone on social media is trying me. i'm trending so hard that “hashtag common sense” can't keep up. this is going to get tens and tens of views. ♪ ♪ ( car crashing ) ♪ ♪ but if you don't have the right auto insurance coverage, you could be left to pay for this... yourself. call a local agent or 1-888-allstate for a quote today. ♪ it wasn't me by shaggy ♪ you're never responsible for unauthorized purchases on your discover card. the census tells you a lot about people. you could tell on the census records that at very, very young ages, they were cooks, they were farm hands, they were servants. there's auralia, 4-years old. i have learned a lot about the rest of the family, it was really finding gold. one of my grandfathers, didn't even know his birthdate. i figured out the exact year he was born. the census records fill in gaps, it helped me push the door open. in an exclusive interview with cnn's jim sciutto today, kelly, general mark milley, the joint chair of the chjoint chie of staff, what he said about russia if not held accountable for ukraine. >> the global international security agency put in place in 1945. that international order has lasted 78 years. if there's no answer to this aggression, if russia gets away with this cost free, so goes away the so-called international order. and if that happens, we're entering into an era of seriously increased instability. >> his comments came after a meeting with allies hosted by defense secretary lloyd austin in germany, who reiterated his goals to see russia's military capabilities weakened. milley also criticized the russian foreign minister over his recent comments of a danger of nuclear war, saying it was completely irresponsible and, quote, any time a senior official of a nation rattles the nuclear saber, everyone takes it seriously. joining me, former cia director and head of genercentral comman general david petraeus. when you heard the comments about weakening russia from secretary austin, general milley said that the global international security order is at stake in this war. i'm wondering if you agree with that and what exactly that -- does that mean? >> i don't think that's hyperbole. i think there is a reasonable amount at stake here in terms of the global order. the fact that one country can conduct an unprovoked invasion of its neighbor is very, very concerning. it's not something that can be allowed to happen in today's day and age. of course it's the first invasion of that sort in europe since the end of world war ii. so again, i think these words are not overstatements, i think we have to be a bit cautious with anything that could seem to make vladimir putin as if he's in backed into a corner and has nothing left to lose, but i think there's plenty left to lose for him right now and i think frankly, the significance of today's meeting at ramstein air base in germany, is enormous. this is the, basically, the free world, the countries that really matter, so beyond even those of nato, committing to support ukraine, as if you have not just the arsenal of democracy on your side if you're ukraine, you have the arsenals of democracy. and i -- it has to cause very significant concern in russia and i suspect that's why there was a little rattling of the nuclear saber again today. they have to realize now that any window of opportunity for achieving additional gains on the ground is going to close fairly quickly as soon as these massive arms floes can get into ukraine. getting together the ammunition for them, it's going to be very tough for russia on the battlefield. >> it's not a coincidence, you're saying, that you have lavrov, you know, mentioning the use of nuclear weapons right after this -- on the same day that this meeting is held? >> i think that's right, anderson. again, they have nothing left. again, we are hammering their economy, their financial system, their business community, putin's inner circle, watching over 300,000 of the most talented russian citizens now voted with their feet and left the country. they don't want to be in a country anymore that's a global pariah. i think they're faced with pretty bleak times ahead. >> what do you make of this coming phase now of the war? >> well, i think the phase that we're actually in now, and perhaps in the days that lie ahead, is very, very pivotal for ukraine. they've been scrambling to move forces down there, just as russia pulled forces out of the north and reconstituted them and shoved them around to the east without really adequate reconstitution activities. ukraine has to be doing the same. these are vast distances, as you well know, back in kyiv, and knowing how long that distance is from north to south and east to west, so -- the other factor here is that the russians have been being more precise in targeting certain logistical sites, fuel depots and warehouses and so forth of ukraine that undoubtedly are important not just to the day-to-day logistics of the battlefield, but also to the provision of these additional weapons that are coming into the country at an enormous pace. and just working out, in fact, the details of how to get soldiers who can operate these, you know, 90 155 military howitzers from the united states alone. these are heavy artillery pieces. approaching 200,000 rounds of ammunition, because the ukrainians don't have 155 ammunition, they have 152. but getting that in there in the way the ukrainians so skillfully used drones for forward observation so they can pinpoint the location of russian forces behind the russian lines and then use this heavy artillery to take it out. and we sent in additional, the fire finder ray dear, so the russians use their artillery very quickly and very accurately, they'll pinpoint the location and they can very quickly put that information on the guns in response, so, there's a lot of very substantial firepower headed to the east. the question is, can the russians take advantage of the time between now and when that arrives to get some additional gains in the battlefields of the east and the southeast that might translate into leverage at the negotiating table? and i thought it was interesting today, i'm sure you will have seen that there's some discussion about negotiations again and the possibility of president zelenskyy agreeing not to discuss crimea or the originally occupied areas by the russian-supportedseparatists. >> general petraeus, thank you for your time. >> thank you, anderson, for what you're doing back in kyiv. ahead, we're going to turn to some big health news out of the u.s. what might be the final word, finally, on whether or not it's a good idea to take a daily aspirin to help prevent heart attack and stroke. we'll have the latest from sanjay gupta ahead. all three, in just one bag. i like that. scotts turf builder triple action. it's lawn season. let's get to the yard. do you struggle to fall asleep and stay asleep? qunol sleep formula combines 5 key nutrients that can help you fall asleep faster, stay asleep longer, and wake up refreshed. the brand i trust is qunol. my auntie called me. she said uncle's had a heart attack. i needed him to be here. your heart isn't just yours. protect it with bayer aspirin. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! flonase all good. ♪ on the road again ♪ ♪ just can't wait ♪ ♪ to get on the road again ♪ ♪ the life i love ♪ ♪ is making music with my friends ♪ ♪ and i can't wait ♪ ♪ to get on the road again ♪ hit the road in skechers. finding the perfect designer isn't easy. but, at upwork, we found her. she's in austin between a dog named klaus and her favorite shade of green. it's actually salem clover. and you can find her right now on upwork.com when the world is your workforce, finding the perfect project manager, designer, developer, or whomever you may need... tends to fall right into place. find top-rated talent who can start today on upwork.com go with simparica trio it's triple protection made simple! simparica trio is the first and only monthly chewable that covers heartworm disease, ticks and fleas, round and hookworms. dogs get triple protection in just one simparica trio! this drug class has been associated with neurologic adverse reactions, including seizures. use with caution in dogs with a history of these disorders. protect him with all your heart. simparica trio. when you need help it's great to be in sync with customer service. a team of reps who can anticipate the next step genesys technology is changing the way customer service teams anticipate what customers need. because happy customers are music to our ears. genesys, we're behind every customer smile. i was injured in a car crash. genesys, i had no idea how much my case was worth. i called the barnes firm. when a truck hit my son, i had so many questions about his case. i called the barnes firm. it was the best call i could've made. your case is often worth more than insuran call the barnes firm to find out i could've made. what your case could be worth. we will help get you the best result possible. ♪ the barnes firm, injury attorneys ♪ call one eight hundred,est resul eight million ♪ a surprising shelter. an apple a day keeps the doctor away has been the conventional system for ways. baby aspirin daily to keeping your heart healthy. millions of americans have been doing just that. now the federal task force is strongly warning against it especially those 60 or older saying it could do more harm than good. now with our chief correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. >> what's the deal, should we take aspirin or what's going on? >> it is fewer and fewer to take aspirin. initially the idea was what's the harm and it can potentially help prevent problems but as we have seen more of the potential risks, risks like bleeding, these recommendations are encouraging people to be cautious. what these new recommendations, really when you are 60, you should not take aspirin to prevent a heart attack or stroke. bleeding risk goes up with age. if you are between 40 and 59, think about heart disease then you should figure out how significant your risk is and determine with your doctor whether or not you should be taking aspirin. >> all and all i am not sure if your risk is significantly high. the recommendation from your doctor probably going to come back you should not be taking it. the bleeding, the gi bleeding after a trauma if you are on aspirin could be more significant. that's what the this task force is trying to balance. >> does it make sense for somebody who's already been taken daily aspirin or if you are not in that category of higher risk, you should not. >> this part had been lacking with these recommendation. they don't address at this point if somebody has been taken it for primary preventions, you are just doing it to prevent it. about 30 million people in the country fall in that category. 20% doing it just on their own. the task force does not get into the business of saying you should stop taking it. their recommendations are pretty clear. you should not start. if you are taking it, probably take to your doctor that there is not other reasons you are on it and if there are not, you should stop it as well. any of those ages, 40 and older, the risk of the bleeding is the big concern here, more so than what prevention it may provide. >> other health news, vice president kamala harris' office announced she tested positive for covid today. do we know how she's feeling? 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all around him, trying to go to work. again, these photos were given to us by the official conducting a war crimes investigation on the ground in bucha. all except one, this one, were taken by a local resident, this one of russian armor is from surveillance video, traffic camera video, that's used by investigators right now to try to identify the russian soldiers who were involved in killings in bucha, which can is a very, very difficult task. this comes as cnn obtains other exclusive images placing russian troops at the scene of some of the killings. they come from new drone video of bucha taken during russia's occupation of the town. and it is especially timely, because today, standing next to the u.n. secretary-general in moscow, vladimir putin said this about the atrocity which he blamed for scuttling peace talks with ukraine. >> translator: unfortunately, after reaching agreements and after our clearly demonstrated intentions to create conditions for favorable conditions for continuation of negotiations, we encountered a provocation in the village of bucha, to which the russian army has nothing to do. >> so that's a lie. and it's clearly a lie, and what is so insulting about it, especially to the families of the victims, is that there is clear evidence, as well as eyewitness accounts, satellite images as well. now, remember what we just showed you at the top, those images or most of them were taken by one individual on the street where those people were killed and the camera that took them has been handed over to prosecutors, to war crimes prosecutors, and that can be examined for its data to tell the exact date the photos were taken on, that those photos were taken over the course of several days, march, 5th, 6th and 7th and it actually shows a progression of killings over the course of several days. remember the satellite videos showing civilian bodies from march 18th, when russian forces were clearly in control. now, the russians say those satellite images, some of which you are seeing now, are fake. take a look at the new video dated march 13th, obtained exclusively by cnn. a russian military vehicle at the intersection and, yes, it's small and blurry, but we've identified the three objects just down the street above the -- that vehicle. on the screen, as bodies. the same bolds seen in the satellite images from the 18th. in the video taken march 12th, a number of russian soldiers are seen around a military vehicle parked outside of a house just down the street. from the bodies. cnn asked the russian ministry of defense for comment but did not immediately receive response. just to remind you what those officials are not commenting on and what vladimir putin is blaming on ukraine, here's what bucha looked like at street level when it was finally liberated. the bodies of people killed during that occupation, while the russian army was still there. news from bucha comes as the mayor of mariupol says a third mass grave has been found near the city. he says that russian troops forced local residents to work the site in exchange for food and water. tonight, on the program we'll talk to international court of justices chief war crimes prosecutor about all of it, also news from various battle areas retired four-star army general david me tray yas and wesley clark join us, with russia now again making veiled references to nuclear weapons being used. and today, defense secretary austin responding. >> what i think it is, jen, is it's dangerous and any kind of rhetoric like that, you know, i think is unhelpful. you know, we've said over and over again that a nuclear war cannot be won by either side, and so i think saber rattling and rhetoric like that is just unhelpful. and so, again, hard to say what's motivating mr. lavrov, but again, i think that kind of talk should be avoided. >> joining our coverage tonight, cnn's nick paton walsh reporting on russia's new offensive in the south. matt rivers just back from a tour of chernobyl, where he talked to the world's top nuclear watchdog group about how close we came to a second nuclear disaster there during russia's brief occupation of chernobyl. also with us tonight, cnn's chief international correspondent clarissa ward seeing the battle in kharkiv. up first, nick paton walsh with the southern front. >> reporter: these southern fields conjure a pieces long past, a world away from ukraine's hell. it's quickly ruptured by russia's new offensive. sending waves of evacuees fleeing the growing unthinkable world of russian occupation. families for whom the shelling over the last two hours was finally too much. saying one of the villages were hit down here. the russians aren't close to them yet, but it's impossible to stay. a woman was injured there. anina was 3 when the last war ended, but doesn't know when this one will. hour by hour, everything changes. things are moving fast enough here that just 24 hours ago, a village about four kilometers in that direction was the meeting point from which people were -- get evacuated. now, it seems to be under fire and we see panicked locals rushing in to collect their relatives. distant tree lines are packed with troops. the blue horizon sometimes pock-marked by smoke. there is a rumble of rockets still here and you can see the damage of what they've done before but somewhere like this has felt to some degree it didn't survive the worst of the war, but in the second phase of the russian occupation, the brutality of these forces is essentially coming straight their way. the flag flies still in the spot here where lenin used to stand. and it needs an armor to hold it in place. "people don't want and cannot leave under only passion," he says. "we've managed to get 7,000 out across our 100 miles of front line. some by bicycle, some in wheelbarrows or by foot." here's where they're welcomed, in president volodymyr zelenskyy's hometown. talk of a sham referendum on wednesday, trying to gentry if i the russian occupation, had many flee these past days, with cues of cars backs ued up for miles. this father and son lost a wife and mother, respectively, to a bomb, and even here, do not want their faces shown. "if they see us, they'll shoot everyone left there," he says. "we left on foot, over the water and the river." for this family, it was about saving the eldest. fearing their 18-year-old son would be conscripted after the sham vote. "the first time we tried to leave, they shot at us, a second time, we got out," he says. "we are completely occupied," she says. there "there's no food, no money, we have nothing. they'll do a referendum and take our children. my son is 18 and they'll take him as cannon fodder. we ran as fast as we could of." it is jarring among the generosity of donations and offers of new homes to hear of the casual brutality of the occupiers. mihael was tortured for days in a basement after russian troops mistook his rough builder's hands as a sign he'd been a soldier. one got out a gun, a real one, he says. i saw it was cocked. two shots. they hit the concrete wall. i think it was a starting pistol. two other men came in and talked less. they were drunk. one must have been a boxer as he meat me in the same place, on my ribs, breaking six of them, rupturing a lung. broken in parts here, but even as russia closes in, still breathing. >> and nick paton walsh joins us now along with clarissa ward and matt rivers. nick, you can sense, obviously, the desperation in all the people that you spoke to in that piece. can you just kind of describe the intensity of this new phase of the war in the area that you're in? >> reporter: yeah, i think it's frankly something that hasn't really been on peoples' radar. it is extraordinary to think that here in kryvyr rih, the hometown of president zelenskyy, 20, 30 miles to the south, there are russian troops getting pretty close. in the scattered villages you see there, obviously marooned at times in these huge open fields, but a concerted push, certainly in the last 48 hours, to bring the russian lines much closer to where we are here. where are they going, is the fundmental question. russia announced lofty aims to veer out west towards odesa, maybe towards moldova. seems unlikely, been trying it for two months and had no luck. are they aiming at the symbolism of the president's hometown here? possibly, but pretty well defend as far as we can see. or some suggesting they are headed out east, but i have to tell you, it has been remarkable to hear the accounts of the volume of russian forces on this, the western side of that river that splits ukraine in two, anderson. >> clarissa, you were just coming out of kharkiv, got very close to a missile attack when you were with some paramedics. what does the world look like in that area, kharkiv is the second-largest city. >> reporter: it is just relentless bombardment, i mean it's nearly nine weeks now that kharkiv, day in, day out, has been under fire. cruise missiles into government buildings, shelling -- the shelling is now primarily in the northeastern outskirts, and that's a very important area strategically for the russians, because they have a supply line moving down from the north, from a russian city down to the donbas area and to the city of isium, which is strategically very important for them at the moment. and so the thing the people in kharkiv fear is that as russia tries to neutralize ukrainian counteroffenses, that potentially kharkiv could become the next mariupol, and they see these images new mass graves, they hear the reports of people that were forced to take a shovel and dug these graves in exchange for just some water and food, and understandably, it gives them, you know, a shiver of fear down their spine, because they're so keenly aware of the fact that they are potentially vulnerable to that, as well. i would just say, though, anderson, that it would be a very tall order for russia to be able to fully encircle kharkiv -- >> mariupol had, what, 440,000 residents before the invasion. kharkiv was, what, 1.5 or something? >> yeah, exactly. and it has a strong ring of ukrainian forces who have been launching successful counteroffenses. the russians tried to push in there last month, they weren't successful in doing it. but because of that relentless bombardment, it sort of instills a sort of vulnerability mentally, as well, in terms of morale, because the message you're receiving day in and day out is, you will not be allowed to have a normal life in any way, shape, or form, unless you submit. >> matt, you were at chernobyl today, how did that go? >> the iea director said they found significant damage. the russians occupied that facility early on in the war. they were there for several weeks forcing engineers to work under horrific conditions to keep that defunct power plant operating, essentially. and, you know, that happened on the same day, he said that the iaea would help them restore and repair that, which is pretty significant. this happens on the same day that cruise missiles were launched at another city in ukraine, and those cruise missiles actually flew over a power plant in zap rees ya very low altitude and what we're hearing from officials, that's obviously incredibly dangerous if one of those missiles hits either on purpose or by accident, a nuclear power plant, there could be a huge catastrophe. so, i asked the director of the iaea what his message is to russia right now. >> my message to them, we have to put an end to this situation, we have to restore full safety and security of the nuclear power plants. this is my work and i'm asking them to cooperate with me. >> reporter: how close were we here do you think to the true disaster when the russians are here? >> it's clear that the situation was a dangerous one, because you didn't have a normal kind of lines of command that were not clear. on occasion, we also had interruptions of the external power fueling the plant, which may have led to an interruption of thele cooing systems with bad consequences in terms of environment. so i wouldn't say we were on the verge of catastrophe but not in a zone you would like to be. that is very clear to me. >> and so across the country, you're talking about 15 different nuclear reactors across four different facilities, as long as russia keeps doing what they're doing, those facilities are at risk which means ukraine and frankly, the world, also at risk. >> nick, you talked about this in your piece and some of the people you were interviewing had left ahead of this referendum but this kind of sham referendum that in kherson, it's as early as wednesday, trying to create a new entity that would be called the kherson's peoples' republic, according to ukrainian official, what they are saying is that the russians there are actually having trouble finding enough willing participants to even fake a vote. what are you hearing about this? >> reporter: i've got to tell you, we just don't know if there's going to be a referendum tomorrow. everybody you speak to who leaves kherson says they've been told there was going to be one today, it's wednesday already here. and it's in leaflets and many of them left, frankly, because they were concerned that once that sham referendum had been pushed through, we've seen it, they ask people to vote, do you want to declare a people's republic and that gets recognized, in the case of the donbas, by russia, that would essentially mean that kherson would become closer, sort of legally, in that sort of warped vision, towards the russian federation and for many families, that might mean their men might be conscript ed for te russian military. that caused many to leave and be deeply concerned that life would take a dark turn since then. but it does appear at the moment, we're just simply not sure. i spoke to one senior official here, he certainly didn't know if that would two ahead or not. as you know, some officials appointed in the local government there, that may be the sort of way they take control of the local administration there, but i think it shows possibly the lack of clarity perhaps or the lack of clean control of messaging the russians have over that most important city, the first they actually managed to take. they've seen a lot of protest amongst the local population there, and it's been stunning, frankly, to see the volumes of people trying to get out. i was told of a 20-mile long queue of people trying to get out through a russian-held town, not allowed out and making their way through the fields, but remarkable volumes of people walking on bicycles, wheelbarrows even simply to get out of russian control, anderson. >> just quickly, clarissa, has the full force, the full onslaught of the russian offensive begun already in the east, i mean, it's hard -- there's not a lot of pictures, it's hard to know, but that seems to be the big question. >> i just think it's going to look very different from anything that one might have imagined in terms of some sort of shock and awe. this is going to be incremental. this is going to be a war of attrition. this is going to grind on. russia has thrown a lot of troops at it already, but when mariupol falls, they can potentially throw even more troops at it. but every day, what you're seeing is movement back and forth with russians taking one half of the village, then the next day, the ukrainians taking it back. so, this is not going to be some kind of a slam dunk victory for the russians by any stretch of the imagination, which is why you've seen a real shift in the tone of the white house and the administration in terms of feeling much more confident about ukraine's abilities to potentially win this. >> yeah, and the other question is how quickly can those howitzer and other heavy we weaponry get to those forces in the east. thank you so much, matt, and clarissa. more coming up from here in the next block. in light of new images we've obtained ed of killings in buch we talk to the prosecutor for the international criminal court. and later, clarisclarissa's reporting from kharkiv, a city which has been under siege now for almost nearly nine weeks. finding the perfect developer isn't easy. but, at upwork, we found her. she's in prague, between the perfect cup of coffee and her museum of personal computers. and you can find her, and millions of other talented pros, right now on upwork.com ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ stuff. we love stuff. and there's some really great stuff out there. but i doubt that any of us will look back on our lives and think, "i wish i'd bought an even thinner tv, found a lighter light beer, or had an even smarter smartphone." do you think any of us will look back on our lives and regret the things we didn't buy? 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because i know you've been in bucha, as well, and you talked to that prosecutor who speaks very highly of you. >> well, thank you so much, anderson, for having me, and i think the very chilling pictures that you've shown the world and really fantastic reporting that you and clarissa ward and other colleagues have done, have put a very clear spotlight on some of the reports that are coming out of ukraine. the international criminal court, my office is there for a reason, to collect evidence, to authenticate evidence and to see what crimes have been committed and if so, who is responsible? i think we need to, you know, march forward on this. i think the situation is extremely grave. it's not getting better, and we need to make sure that we find ways to insist on the rule of law prevailing over brute force, bullying and the kind of crimes that are within the court's jurisdiction. >> i should point out, your job is not to side with ukraine, to side with russia, your job is to just follow the facts, find the truth, and bring cases based on that, whether it's cases of prisoners being abused by ukrainian forces or allegations of that, of investigate of allegations of war crimes by russian forces. obviously, the bulk of the allegations thus far are against russian forces. you visited bucha a few weeks ago. how important is it for prosecutors to establish a timeline of exactly when people were killed and also a chain of command line to understand who gave what order? >> well, it's key, and, you know, the pictures that are on the screens now of bodies lying in the streets of bucha, i went to bordyenko, as well, i haven't been to mariupol, but what one is unfortunately going to see as the fog of war lifts are unfortunately likely to be other scenes of a desperate nature that are like those that are on the tv screen. you know, i was there behind st. andrew's church in bucha with the prosecutor general of ukraine and we need to get to the bottom of it. those bodies that are in bags on the screen are not fake. i've seen them. i stood beside them. the issue is, how did they die and who is responsible and what circumstances? and this is why i think independent investigations are needed, because the families of those that have perished deserve answers, and i think the rest of the world is looking for how vigorous and effective the rule of law can be in these circumstances. so we need to go forward in a way that's much more effective perhaps than in the past. >> ukrainian prosecutors say that as many as 300 people were killed in bucha during the time of russian occupation, you alluded to what russian officials are saying that, look, these images are fake, these satellite images are fake, bodies were put here after russia left to make russia look bad. obviously, the satellite images tell a different story, because they show bodies there during the russian occupation, but russian officials say, well, those are fake and the company that makes those images has a contract with the defense department, which is, i believe, true. one of the things the local prosecutor is saying to us about the photographs he showed us today is that the camera itself which prosecutors have will have meta data that has the time, what day those photographs were taken, and the fact that there's a progression of, you know, there's body appear on march 5th, then on march 6th, another body appears. and the eyewitness says that's when someone else was killed, he took a photo. is that sort of data important to building, again, a case in court? >> it's critically important, because we've got, i think the picture on the screen shows one of the pictures on somebody's window, perhaps, and got testimonial evidence, but if you combine that together with drone video, evidence that's recorded that contains meta data, you have then a combination of evidence from different sources that is capable of being forensically examined, and ultimately, it's not going to be anybody's decision, not even my own. we have independent judges that will assess whether or not evidence is fake or authentic, and i think any side of the conflict should not be scared of the truth, and we should trust the rule of law and independent men and women of my office and then ultimately the independent judges of the international criminal court that work in partnerships with the fantastic prosecutor general of ukraine and other national authorities and we are, at this critical moment, yesterday, i signed an historic agreement, the first time my office in 20 years of its -- the court's existence, has signed an agreement with a joint invest team, along with lithuania and poland and uk ukraine. and in addition to those three states, there's nine other states in europe that are looking at accountability. and i think between us, we will ultimately get to the truth, because there's no place to hide in the courtroom. and whatever are the narratives and the counternarratives and evidence, of course, should be promptly be tested. ultimately, we see domestically, we see internationally, you can't hide from the truth, and there will be, i think, a case to answer in due course and we'll wait to see what it is. >> i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. coming up, clarissa ward joins us again with her report from the streets of kharkiv, ukraine's second-largest city, still standing despite the massive destruction brought by russian forces as an offensive is well under way in the east.ao : baseball, ghostbusters, baseball, ghostbusters, baseball... ♪ ♪ it's good to be back! that is one foul ball. let's do this! ♪ ♪ cross the stream! get your tv together with the best of live and on demand. directv stream. now get $30 off over 3 months. when i'm on my hands and knees and i'm digging through the dirt, i feel something in me, like a fire, that's just growing. i feel kinder, when nature is so kind to me. find more ways to grow with miracle-gro. 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"from there and there, they can shell." with her fresh lipstick, larissa is a picture of pride and resilience. much like this city, still standing tall in the face of a ruthless enemy. >> and clarissa ward is back with me now. the -- i mean, the bombardment is so indiscriminate and, i mean, i'm just so struck by the russians -- continually russian officials lying about this, saying we're only using precision weapons, we're not targeting residential areas or shooting or hitting civilians. >> yeah, it's pretty surprising, yet when you look back at the russian playbook it makes a lot of sense. when you particularly think of this new general or relatively recently appointed general, who was known as the butcher of syria, and the tactics that we saw in syria, the targeting of hospitals, the targeting of schools, and that powerful message that that sends to people that you cannot have any sense of normalcy until you submit. while at the same time, officially, continuing to spat out the line that these places are only being targeted because they're being used by, you know, in this case, the nazis. to launch attacks and military attacks are being launched from these areas. we walked around these areas. we were there with those paramedics as they came under fire while they were tending to the wounded in a residential building. we did not see any trace of military. what we did see, ordinary civilians, people trying to live their lives and coming under a hail of artillery and rockets on an almost daily basis. >> and people still trying to live their lives. that woman in your report putting on her makeup. >> yeah, it's really -- obviously we've been traveling a lot around this whole country. the people of kharkiv kind of astonish me in terms of the level of pride and resilience and defiance in the face of that kind of bombardment, to be living on your own in an apartment where the next door building, the entire face of it has been sheared off. and you're still getting dressed in the morning. you're still putting on your lipstick in the morning, just speaks to an extraordinary essential quality in people you really don't see often. >> yeah, clarissa ward, thank you so much, appreciate it. a top u.s. military official is giving a pretty stark warning about the threat that russia posing to global international security if they're not held accountable for their crimes. i'll have details on that next. ♪ ♪ i'm the latest hashtag challenge. and everyone on social media is trying me. i'm trending so hard that “hashtag common sense” can't keep up. this is going to get tens and tens of views. ♪ ♪ ( car crashing ) ♪ ♪ but if you don't have the right auto insurance coverage, you could be left to pay for this... yourself. call a local agent or 1-888-allstate for a quote today. ♪ it wasn't me by shaggy ♪ you're never responsible for unauthorized purchases on your discover card. the census tells you a lot about people. you could tell on the census records that at very, very young ages, they were cooks, they were farm hands, they were servants. there's auralia, 4-years old. i have learned a lot about the rest of the family, it was really finding gold. one of my grandfathers, didn't even know his birthdate. i figured out the exact year he was born. the census records fill in gaps, it helped me push the door open. in an exclusive interview with cnn's jim sciutto today, kelly, general mark milley, the joint chair of the chjoint chie of staff, what he said about russia if not held accountable for ukraine. >> the global international security agency put in place in 1945. that international order has lasted 78 years. if there's no answer to this aggression, if russia gets away with this cost free, so goes away the so-called international order. and if that happens, we're entering into an era of seriously increased instability. >> his comments came after a meeting with allies hosted by defense secretary lloyd austin in germany, who reiterated his goals to see russia's military capabilities weakened. milley also criticized the russian foreign minister over his recent comments of a danger of nuclear war, saying it was completely irresponsible and, quote, any time a senior official of a nation rattles the nuclear saber, everyone takes it seriously. joining me, former cia director and head of genercentral comman general david petraeus. when you heard the comments about weakening russia from secretary austin, general milley said that the global international security order is at stake in this war. i'm wondering if you agree with that and what exactly that -- does that mean? >> i don't think that's hyperbole. i think there is a reasonable amount at stake here in terms of the global order. the fact that one country can conduct an unprovoked invasion of its neighbor is very, very concerning. it's not something that can be allowed to happen in today's day and age. of course it's the first invasion of that sort in europe since the end of world war ii. so again, i think these words are not overstatements, i think we have to be a bit cautious with anything that could seem to make vladimir putin as if he's in backed into a corner and has nothing left to lose, but i think there's plenty left to lose for him right now and i think frankly, the significance of today's meeting at ramstein air base in germany, is enormous. this is the, basically, the free world, the countries that really matter, so beyond even those of nato, committing to support ukraine, as if you have not just the arsenal of democracy on your side if you're ukraine, you have the arsenals of democracy. and i -- it has to cause very significant concern in russia and i suspect that's why there was a little rattling of the nuclear saber again today. they have to realize now that any window of opportunity for achieving additional gains on the ground is going to close fairly quickly as soon as these massive arms floes can get into ukraine. getting together the ammunition for them, it's going to be very tough for russia on the battlefield. >> it's not a coincidence, you're saying, that you have lavrov, you know, mentioning the use of nuclear weapons right after this -- on the same day that this meeting is held? >> i think that's right, anderson. again, they have nothing left. again, we are hammering their economy, their financial system, their business community, putin's inner circle, watching over 300,000 of the most talented russian citizens now voted with their feet and left the country. they don't want to be in a country anymore that's a global pariah. i think they're faced with pretty bleak times ahead. >> what do you make of this coming phase now of the war? >> well, i think the phase that we're actually in now, and perhaps in the days that lie ahead, is very, very pivotal for ukraine. they've been scrambling to move forces down there, just as russia pulled forces out of the north and reconstituted them and shoved them around to the east without really adequate reconstitution activities. ukraine has to be doing the same. these are vast distances, as you well know, back in kyiv, and knowing how long that distance is from north to south and east to west, so -- the other factor here is that the russians have been being more precise in targeting certain logistical sites, fuel depots and warehouses and so forth of ukraine that undoubtedly are important not just to the day-to-day logistics of the battlefield, but also to the provision of these additional weapons that are coming into the country at an enormous pace. and just working out, in fact, the details of how to get soldiers who can operate these, you know, 90 155 military howitzers from the united states alone. these are heavy artillery pieces. approaching 200,000 rounds of ammunition, because the ukrainians don't have 155 ammunition, they have 152. but getting that in there in the way the ukrainians so skillfully used drones for forward observation so they can pinpoint the location of russian forces behind the russian lines and then use this heavy artillery to take it out. and we sent in additional, the fire finder ray dear, so the russians use their artillery very quickly and very accurately, they'll pinpoint the location and they can very quickly put that information on the guns in response, so, there's a lot of very substantial firepower headed to the east. the question is, can the russians take advantage of the time between now and when that arrives to get some additional gains in the battlefields of the east and the southeast that might translate into leverage at the negotiating table? and i thought it was interesting today, i'm sure you will have seen that there's some discussion about negotiations again and the possibility of president zelenskyy agreeing not to discuss crimea or the originally occupied areas by the russian-supportedseparatists. >> general petraeus, thank you for your time. >> thank you, anderson, for what you're doing back in kyiv. ahead, we're going to turn to some big health news out of the u.s. what might be the final word, finally, on whether or not it's a good idea to take a daily aspirin to help prevent heart attack and stroke. we'll have the latest from sanjay gupta ahead. all three, in just one bag. i like that. scotts turf builder triple action. it's lawn season. let's get to the yard. do you struggle to fall asleep and stay asleep? qunol sleep formula combines 5 key nutrients that can help you fall asleep faster, stay asleep longer, and wake up refreshed. the brand i trust is qunol. my auntie called me. she said uncle's had a heart attack. i needed him to be here. your heart isn't just yours. protect it with bayer aspirin. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! flonase all good. ♪ on the road again ♪ ♪ just can't wait ♪ ♪ to get on the road again ♪ ♪ the life i love ♪ ♪ is making music with my friends ♪ ♪ and i can't wait ♪ ♪ to get on the road again ♪ hit the road in skechers. finding the perfect designer isn't easy. but, at upwork, we found her. she's in austin between a dog named klaus and her favorite shade of green. it's actually salem clover. and you can find her right now on upwork.com when the world is your workforce, finding the perfect project manager, designer, developer, or whomever you may need... tends to fall right into place. find top-rated talent who can start today on upwork.com go with simparica trio it's triple protection made simple! simparica trio is the first and only monthly chewable that covers heartworm disease, ticks and fleas, round and hookworms. dogs get triple protection in just one simparica trio! this drug class has been associated with neurologic adverse reactions, including seizures. use with caution in dogs with a history of these disorders. protect him with all your heart. simparica trio. when you need help it's great to be in sync with customer service. a team of reps who can anticipate the next step genesys technology is changing the way customer service teams anticipate what customers need. because happy customers are music to our ears. genesys, we're behind every customer smile. i was injured in a car crash. genesys, i had no idea how much my case was worth. i called the barnes firm. when a truck hit my son, i had so many questions about his case. i called the barnes firm. it was the best call i could've made. your case is often worth more than insuran call the barnes firm to find out i could've made. what your case could be worth. we will help get you the best result possible. ♪ the barnes firm, injury attorneys ♪ call one eight hundred,est resul eight million ♪ a surprising shelter. an apple a day keeps the doctor away has been the conventional system for ways. baby aspirin daily to keeping your heart healthy. millions of americans have been doing just that. now the federal task force is strongly warning against it especially those 60 or older saying it could do more harm than good. now with our chief correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. >> what's the deal, should we take aspirin or what's going on? >> it is fewer and fewer to take aspirin. initially the idea was what's the harm and it can potentially help prevent problems but as we have seen more of the potential risks, risks like bleeding, these recommendations are encouraging people to be cautious. what these new recommendations, really when you are 60, you should not take aspirin to prevent a heart attack or stroke. bleeding risk goes up with age. if you are between 40 and 59, think about heart disease then you should figure out how significant your risk is and determine with your doctor whether or not you should be taking aspirin. >> all and all i am not sure if your risk is significantly high. the recommendation from your doctor probably going to come back you should not be taking it. the bleeding, the gi bleeding after a trauma if you are on aspirin could be more significant. that's what the this task force is trying to balance. >> does it make sense for somebody who's already been taken daily aspirin or if you are not in that category of higher risk, you should not. >> this part had been lacking with these recommendation. they don't address at this point if somebody has been taken it for primary preventions, you are just doing it to prevent it. about 30 million people in the country fall in that category. 20% doing it just on their own. the task force does not get into the business of saying you should stop taking it. their recommendations are pretty clear. you should not start. if you are taking it, probably take to your doctor that there is not other reasons you are on it and if there are not, you should stop it as well. any of those ages, 40 and older, the risk of the bleeding is the big concern here, more so than what prevention it may provide. >> other health news, vice president kamala harris' office announced she tested positive for covid today. do we know how she's feeling? 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