just heartbreaking. that pure joy and innocence wiped away by the russians. ukrainian troops are now entering their third month of fighting. and today, orthodox easter sunday, brings a much needed moment of reflection. matt rivers joins me now from kyiv. heavy shelling has continued today and the footage we were showing a few moments ago, it just tells this devastating story of what people have been living through week after week, day after day as russia bombards this country. >> no question. and odesa, just the latest city to have been hit by a missile strike after not being hit for at least several week, jim. we know in that missile strike, at least eight were killed with that missile hitting what is obviously not a military target. it's an apartment building as is so cloear in the video you showed. showing the destructive power of the missiles. at least eight killed. many more injured as a result of that attack. odesa now firmly in the cross hairs of the russian military given what we've heard from russian top military leadership during the last few days for the first time admitting not only is the russian military goal to capture the donbas region in the east, which is the latest focus of this new offensive by russia's military, but also the southern part of ukraine. we know they've largely taken cities like mariupol and kerr se kherson, but if you move further west, you're looking at odesa. a city that's largely been spared the kind of violence that so many other cities in ukraine have faced, but given what we're hearing from russia's leadership, the city could be in the cross hairs moving forward. speaking of mariupol, we've had our eyes on that city which has been under siege for weeks now by the russian military. still a small pocket of ukrainian resistance centered around the steel plant which we know civilians are inside there alongside other remaining fighters on the ukraine side. russia though largely occupying the entire city and even though there are tens of thousands of people who need to be evacuated from the city, which russia could do if themy wanted to. they control the vast majority of the city, they are not letting people leave. not able to get a humanitarian corridor open for those civilians due to what they say are repeated violations of cease fires by russia. >> yeah, matt. we spoke to a gentleman in the last hour from mariupol and he was talking about the desperate situation there and how there may be 100,000 people just on the brink of starvation because you can't get food into parts like this when they're just undergoing all of this death and destruction. matt rivers, thank you very much. appreciate it. and joining me now is retired army brigadier general who served to the russian federation. also with us, retired air force colonel cedrick layton. president zelenskyy said yesterday that secretary of state blinken, the defense secretary, lloyd austin, would be visiting kyiv today. the white house has yet to confirm this. but what kind of message does this send to russia? i suppose in the coming hours, we're going to find out more about this, but it does send a message. >> it certainly does. it just shows how much not just european, but american skin is in this struggle. that ukraine is having to fight for. and we're following a number of european nations. peaceful nations that have sent their prime ministers so it's totally appropriate. the ukrainians for sure will be working the security aspects of this if it happens. no, it is on message. we're in sync with our allies and the message back to moscow is you know, don't, you know, stop. we're in this and we're not going to let go. >> colonel, i want to go back to this video, shelling in odesa. as matt rivers was describing, a residential video. let's show our viewers. eight dead including a 3-month-old baby after these missiles striking odesa, an apartment building. this is the intentional targeting. appears to be intentional targeting. we've seen it time and again from the russians, of a civilian area. it's just incredible. >> it really is, jim. and yes, mistakes do happen in war. there are times when civilian areas are targeted by mistake -- >> but they don't get the benefit of the doubt anymore. >> they doen't because they hav deliberately targeted civilians time and time again. we know that they are deliberately looking at these apartment buildings and they're going through their footage of all these areas and they're going after them because they want to terrorize civilian population. this is not about a military on military conflict. now it's a military on the people conflict and that is a very dangerous place for the russians to be. both in terms of what they're actually doing to the ukrainians, but also what they're doing to world opinion and they're going to lose this in many ways, many respects from a world opinion standpoint. it's very detrimental to the russians to do it this way. >> and general, we're just now learning from ukrainian officials that russian forces appear to be preparing for an offensive around the kherson region in southern ukraine. we know they want that corridor across the south of ukraine. >> they've got to secure kherson if they're going to attempt, and i believe it would be a major stretch for them to push down odesa at the same time while they are trying to win in donbas and they haven't finished the siege battle for mariupol. but it's a pivot point. it gives them options to move down along the black seacoast toward odesa. and again the russians have this term, correlation of forces. this is a big, big stretch from what we saw in north of kyiv for their forces that are in part pretty battered and still are going to suffer major logistical challenges if they make those pushes. if they're doing this all simultaneously, it's going to be hard, i believe. >> and colonel, u.s. and ukrainian officials have said that mariupol residents are being forcibly deported. this happens when people are taken thousands of miles away in some cases to eastern russia or russian occupied territory. we're looking at these devastating pictures once again of what's happened in mariupol. talked to a gentleman in the last hour who fled that city and escaped capture of russian forces by the russian forces and is talking about how the people who are left there are on the brink of starvation. 100,000 people on the brink of starvation. it's just a horrific humanitarian situation. >> absolutely. it and draws so many parallels to what has happened in the past. you look at things that alexander described in his novels. these are the kinds of things that these people are going through now and you know, people haven't read those books, it might be a good time to revisit them so they understand a little bit about what could be happening to the ukrainian people at this point and it's unacceptable. >> it's certainly unacceptable but that area has been levelled and it's hard to imagine any relief being in sight at this point. just a horrendous situation. thank you so much to both of you for your time. we appreciate it. >> thanks. quick programming note. make sure you catch the unbelievable true story of the man who took on putin and lived to expose the truth. navalny airs tonight at 9:00 p.m. here on cnn. coming up, did trump's former white house chief of staff and some republican members of congress strategize a plan to encourage supporters to march to the capitol on january 6th? 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and i understand some of the hesitation on the part of the democrats. they're worried about reprisals and if the republicans take the house, there will be subpoenas for all sorts of things and so on and so forth. but this was an insurrection. an attempt to overturn an election. wouldn't a judge weighing subpoenas find that a subpoena for mccarthy or scott perry in a case like this would be more important than subpoenas that might not carry as much weight when the next congress comes in? >> it's long passed due for a subpoena in this case in my view and to be clear, the decision not to subpoena mccarthy is a political one that the committee's making. i agree with you. if this became a legal fight, could they enforce a subpoena? i think any judge would uphold that subpoena. why? because the statements we just heard are so crucial because that is the first and i believe the only piece of evidence that donald trump himself acknowledged that he held some responsibility and some blame for what happened on january 6th. looking at this like a prosecutor, that's an admission of guilt that goes directly to his state of mind, to his intent and kevin mccarthy as far as we know, is the only person who can give that. he would be number one on a witness list if this is a prosecution. by the way, doj must be paying attention to this as well. they can subpoena mccarthy. they shouldn't have the same kind of political restraints the committee has put on itself. >> and marjorie taylor greene, her name comes up from time to time. she testified for hours at a hearing to determine if she should be allowed to run for office due to her actions up to january 6th. the trouble is as we saw on friday, she couldn't remember very much. let's watch. >> you didn't talk to anybody in government about the fact that there were going to be large protests in washington on january 6th? >> i don't remember. >> you spoke to representative biggs or his staff about that fact, didn't you? >> i do not remember. >> how about representative gosart? >> i'm sorry. i don't remember. >> has anyone mentioned the possibility that there might be violence in washington? >> i don't remember. >> that is a, that's an astonishing lapse in memory there. what are the chances though that greene is kept off the ballot? >> on the one hand, her testimony was ridiculous, absurd, laughable, not credible for all the reasons we just saw. on the other hand, it is a serious uphill climb to actually keep her off the ballot legally. all these things have to happen. first, the administrative judge who heard the case on friday has to find not just that she lied on the stand perhaps, engaged in inflammatory speech, encouraged rebellion. then it goes to the secretary of state, then the court. so there's a lot of hurdles that have been to be cleared before she's actually disqualified. >> all right. we'll watch for that. elie honig, thank you very much. great to see you. >> you, too. thanks. coming up, johnny depp prepares for another week in court after the jury hears his graphic and violent messages about his ex-wife, amber herd. >> mr. depp, you said i will [ bleep ] her burnt corpse afterwards to make sure she is dead. good thing adding lysol laundry sanititizer kills 99.9% of bacteria that detergents can't. clean is good, sanitized is better. ♪ waxed. natural. sensitive. new dove ultimate antiperspirant. our uniqueater based formula and 6x more glycerin. helps restore skin to its best condition. new doveltimate. your shipping manager left to “find themself.” leaving you lost. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire ♪ ♪ bonnie boon i'm calling you out. everybody be cool, alright? 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during this time period? >> i -- you know, i mean, isn't happy hour anytime? >> one of your good friends you've taken drugs with before is marilyn manson. >> we've had cocaine together maybe a couple of times. >> testimony turned more when defense used depp's text messages to a friend. >> after you said let's drown her before we burn her, mr. depp, you said i will [ bleep ] her burnt corpse afterward to make sure she is dead. >> and this video showing an irate depp was shown in court. he responded saying he did not assault her during the tirade. >> there's evidence on both sides they have also perpetrated domestic violence so at the end of the day, this jury's going to be tasked with deciding is this relationship of mutual combat and how does that impact her statement in this op-ed is she's merely a victim. sounds like we have two perpetrators. >> the jury heads back to court on monday to hear more testimony. herd will take the stand in her defense. cnn, new york. joining us now is matthew, former editorial director of the hollywood reporter. this was a wild week of testimony taking place right outside of washington so i know a lot of people here in d.c. were talking about it. depp returns to the stand tomorrow. what are you going to be watching for? >> i'm going to be looking to see how he responds to some of the revelations that were made on thursday. specifically the text messages that were just awful to read. the behavior between the two of them. remember, he's got to show here, he's the plaintiff. he's got to show that she defamed him and when all of this stuff comes out about him, that is not great for his case. >> and i want to play some more of this really bizarre video shown in court of johnny depp going on a tirade inside his kitchen. >> i just woke up and you were still asleep. we're not even fighting this morning. all i did was say sorry. >> did something happen, you -- i don't think so. >> that's the thing. >> oh, you're crazy. >> have you drunk this whole thing this morning? >> oh, really? really? >> you were smashing [ bleep ] -- >> it's hard to watch. you know, johnny depp was making jokes during the trial about anytime being happy hour. what was your reaction to what we saw behind the scenes in this video of what appears to be just a broken relationship. >> absolutely. and it goes to the question of what kind of state of mind he was in because he seems kind of out of it there. i mean obviously he filled up that chalice full of wine. it's the middle of the day. it doesn't look like a coherent person there and given the testimony back and forth here, obviously there are things that have come out about her behavior as well. it looks like this is just an absolutely dysfunctional relationship with issues on both sides. >> and there was also this video that the defense played of depp moaning on a plane. saying it was a result of a bender. let's watch that. >> that's your voice making those moaning sounds sound like an animal in pain, right? 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>> joining me now, cnn political commentator and host of pbs firing line, margaret hoover, and john avalon. author of the great new book, lincoln and the fight for peace. john, lincoln faced a country divided and here we are today sounding, i mean, not divided, but dangerous. and you heard elizabeth warren there today calling kevin mccarthy a liar and a traitor. what were your thoughts when you saw that? >> it's ugly language. democracy depends on an assumption of good will among fellow citizen, but that's been fundamentally eroded. look, you know, what we have witnessed is an attempt by one political party loyal to a president to overturn our election. that deserves condemnation in the harshest language and the fact mccarthy acknowledged it in private and has continued to sort of promote the big lie in public out of his own desire for political power is deserves to be condemned but you want to be careful about calling fellow citizens traitors. >> liar, yes. >> traitor, no. information -- >> come on. >> i want to see where the full investigation goes. if people were actively trying to overturn an election and pursue power, that gets close to -- >> and you just wrote a book about lincoln, so you understand the word, traitor, in all of its historicalness and traitor is over the line. it is just over the line. mccarthy did not plan the stop the steal rally. he did not tell people to go up to the capitol. he did not say go, we're going to take this thing back and reinstate trump in august. but we have to be careful not to increasingly put oxygen on the flames, gasoline on the fire, whatever metaphor you want to do to make this cycle worse. and everybody's responsible for that and every member of the u.s. senate is, too. >> i'll tell you somebody who has some tough words for what's been taking place in washington since the january 6th insurrection and that is former d.c. police officer, michael fanone. i talked to him yesterday and he is, he is furious as i think a lot of police officers are who were there that day. he was severely beaten while defending the capitol on january 6th and had this to say about mccarthy and other republicans. let's watch. >> at a time where so many of us americans, myself included, are inspired by the actions of president zelenskyy, i look at our politicians and our elected leaders and i think to myself this is the best we've got? this is it? you know, people like marjorie taylor greene and kevin mccarthy. i mean, they just, it's just unreal. >> is kevin mccarthy doomed in his quest to become speaker of the house or has trump thrown him a lifeline here by brushing it all off? what about what michael fanone had to say? he makes a darn good point. >> he really does. look, whether mccarthy's doomed or going to have a caucus, as long as trump's got his back, probably not mission impossible. we're looking at the example of zelenskyy. it's not just courage, but it's the ultimate example of leaders are judged when they put their country first over their self-interests, their party interests. that's what we've seen a failure to do by some of the loudest voices in our politics. people need to stand up and be big, not small. yet all the gravitational forces seem to steer them towards being small and petty and putting party over country. that's a recipe for disaster. >> nobody has more moral authority than fanone and those police officers who stood democracy on january 6th. he has all the moral authority in the world to be as outraged and disgusted at the lack of moral courage on the right as anyone. >> if only that courage and bravery could be shifted over. could somehow be transferred over to some of the members of congress who have not lived up to the moment. right? wouldn't that be something. let's talk about trump. last night, he was back on the campaign trail. you know, we can't stick our heads in the ground anymore. as much everybody would lieke t do that. he was campaigning in ohio for j.d. vance and here are some of the pressing issues he was focused on. >> but in the dishwasher as an example, they had a little problem. what was the problem? they didn't give you any water. and it was so little water that you couldn't wash the dishes so what do people do? kept pressing, do it again, do it again, do it again. so by the time you do it ten times, the dishes are finally there. you've wasted electricity and you spend more water. i don't like being called stupid. is there a test or something i can take to prove to these radical left maniacs that i'm much smarter than them, is there a test? he said sure, there is a test. it's . >> okay. now if you were to pull a spring on a doll and those words came out, i would think of putting the doll back in the store. putting that assaidi, a.d. vans was comparing trump to hitler. that's a trip to the upsidedown world. >> no, j.d. vans is seen as an utter disappointment, as someone to be a visionary and come around on the right. he seems to be while having become a pop louse sort of west virginia trump country background, somebody who can understand the struggles of working class americans and marry it with sort of the ideas in modern american conservatism that might actually have a path forward. instead, he's sold his soul soul to trump. he's endorsed, expected the endorsement of marjorie taylor greene, who hugs nationalists and propels conspiracy theories and are anti-semitic. what you saw there, i just want to point out, is trump isn't going anywhere. he's back. he's doing the same things that got him elected in the first place. >> right. >> as much as we say that content isn't compelling to us. that's his game. what he is doing there was effective and got him elected in the first place. you are right, we can't put our head in the sand. he is a force in american politics. >> john. you know you want to weigh in. i want to get the french election n. emanuel macron is the projected winner. the white house, president zelenskyy, they have to be breathing a sigh of relief, french officials are elated that emanuel macron has been reelected for the sake of where europe is right now, nfor the sake of nato and what's happening in ukraine. what are your thoughts? >> it is evidence that the center can hold and it is creating deep sigh of relief. no one would have been happier than vladimir putin and the people who want to erode the eu and nato and the fact that macron has been reelected for a party that didn't exist a decade ago, it is a sign, well above his approval rating. a decisive victory 58-into, something we can say democracy and the center can stand up against the extremes many up to vladimir putin and their other extremist's deep dismay. >> good. >> margaret, the chief of staff, they have been pointing that joe biden has an approval rating right around where emanuel macron's approval rating, he was able to cruise to re-election here. what do you think about that? >> let's compare apples to apples here. but i j see why they want to spin that. what we should point out is marie le pen is no longer a french extremist candidate. she had over 40% of the vote in france and by the the way, nationalists, economic forces are alive and well in the united states and in europe and even though macron won decisively, her margin has grown and that has to be. >> narrowly. >> ac knowledge and recognized. so i leave you with that. >> yeah. >> these forces are still at play on both sides of the pot. >> it depends on who you were running against. he was running against marie le pen. clearly, the french people were not embureaucracying that. joe biden, if he's running against donald trump again? 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