his state of mind, to his intent and kevin mccarthy as far as we know, is the only person who can give that. he would be number one on a witness list if this is a prosecution. by the way, doj must be paying attention to this as well. they can subpoena mccarthy. they shouldn t have the same kind of political restraints the committee has put on itself. and marjorie taylor greene, her name comes up from time to time. she testified for hours at a hearing to determine if she should be allowed to run for office due to her actions up to january 6th. the trouble is as we saw on friday, she couldn t remember very much. let s watch. you didn t talk to anybody in government about the fact that there were going to be large protests in washington on january 6th? i don t remember. you spoke to representative biggs or his staff about that fact, didn t you? i do not remember. how about representative
this reaction from warren earlier today. kevin mccarthy is a liar and traitor. this is outrageous. that is really the illness that pervades the relationship leadership right now. if they say one thing to the american public and something else in private. they understand that it is wrong what happened, an attempt to overthrow our government? joining me now, cnn political commentator and host of pbs firing line, margaret hoover, and john avalon. author of the great new book, lincoln and the fight for peace. john, lincoln faced a country divided and here we are today sounding, i mean, not divided, but dangerous. and you heard elizabeth warren there today calling kevin mccarthy a liar and a traitor. what were your thoughts when you saw that? it s ugly language.
over the line. it is just over the line. mccarthy did not plan the stop the steal rally. he did not tell people to go up to the capitol. he did not say go, we re going to take this thing back and reinstate trump in august. but we have to be careful not to increasingly put oxygen on the flames, gasoline on the fire, whatever metaphor you want to do to make this cycle worse. and everybody s responsible for that and every member of the u.s. senate is, too. i ll tell you somebody who has some tough words for what s been taking place in washington since the january 6th insurrection and that is former d.c. police officer, michael fanone. i talked to him yesterday and he is, he is furious as i think a lot of police officers are who were there that day. he was severely beaten while defending the capitol on january 6th and had this to say about mccarthy and other republicans. let s watch. at a time where so many of us
of congress and virtual, these members of congress may never have to answer questions under oath. yeah. and there s bombshell audio, obviously we were talking about this for days now. calls between kevin mccarthy and members of the house. in one of these calls, he tells lawmakers trump acknowledged some responsibility for the insurrection. let s listen to that again. i ve been very clear to the president he bears responsibilities for his words and actions. no if, ands or buts. i asked him today does he hold responsibility for what happened. does he feel bad about what happened. he told me he does have some responsibility for what happened. we need to acknowledge that. is it time to issue a subpoena for mccarthy? and i understand some of the hesitation on the part of the democrats. they re worried about reprisals and if the republicans take the house, there will be subpoenas
americans, myself included, are inspired by the actions of president zelenskyy, i look at our politicians and our elected leaders and i think to myself this is the best we ve got? this is it? you know, people like marjorie taylor greene and kevin mccarthy. i mean, they just, it s just unreal. is kevin mccarthy doomed in his quest to become speaker of the house or has trump thrown him a lifeline here by brushing it all off? what about what michael fanone had to say? he makes a darn good point. he really does. look, whether mccarthy s doomed or going to have a caucus, as long as trump s got his back, probably not mission impossible. we re looking at the example of zelenskyy. it s not just courage, but it s