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russia has control of 80% of the territory. he says ukrainians are succeeding destroying russian equipment, but it is clear that russia is going to push on. >> the whole of huhansk territory is being shelled. there is no safe town. we understand that the russian government is going to push ahead and going to destroy everything on its path. >> meanwhile, vladimir putin tested an intercontinental ballistic missile today. the icbm was fired toward a peninsula in russia's far east. the u.s. was notified of the test, as part of an international agreement with russia. also today, all eyes are on the besieged city of mariupol. the steel factory there has been a sheltering place for as many as 1,000 civilians. vladimir putin's forces have surrounded that place and the new deadline has passed for the people inside of that factory to get out before it is destroyed. now, we have new video into our newsroom that shows residents, men, women, children, the eld elderly, they're gathering outside and trying to evacuate on a supposed humanitarian corridor. there was a convoy of buses set up. however, minutes ago ukraine's deputy prime minister said the humanitarian corridor, quote, did not work as planned. >> cnn's matt rivers joins us now from lviv in western ukraine. matt, when we spoke last hour, we had to put an asterisk right after this establishment of a corridor because for the last several months we know that these often fall apart, they often come under attack. >> reporter: yeah, and it does appear that that has once again happened this time. i don't think this corridor came under attack per se but this did not go according to plan. what we're hearing from ukrainian officials is that russia was not respecting the cease-fire. exactly what that means per se, i think we're trying to get more details as to exactly what happened here. but the end result is the same. the fact that this humanitarian corridor did not result in large-scale evacuations today from the city of mariupol as had been hoped for, there had been some hope from ukrainian officials that up to 6,000 people perhaps in a single day could be evacuated from the city, and it didn't happen. that is exactly what needs to happen because of the huge amount of people that are still in mariupol that need to be evacuated. some 100,000 people across that city, in and around it, need to be taken out. after weeks and weeks of no food, no water, no medical supplies, a lack of infrastructure for communications, for power in general, it is an incredibly dire situation for those people there which is why you've seen such an emphasis in recent days from ukrainian officials to try and get people out. and yet their best attempt today after there being some hope over the fact that simply a humanitarian corridor was established, which hadn't happened in many days, it did not work out as planned. >> matt rivers for us there in lviv. thank you, matt. for more on russia's missile test, let's get more information now because the state media reported that putin says this launch will, quote, give thought to those who are trying to threaten russia. >> cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr with us now. barbara, what's the view from the pentagon? >> reporter: well, here at the pentagon officials are saying they knew the missile test was coming, that in fact the russians had correctly and appropriately notified the looming test to international authorities under arms control agreements. they knew the launch window was open and when it did launch from northern russia to this peninsula out in the far east of russia, u.s. satellites, u.s. intelligence assets were able to track it all the way. so not a particular risk in and of itself, no threat to the united states. but officials also saying in this period of heightened tensions, maybe not such a good idea, not great timing for the russians to decide to do this, well aware of putin's constant escalatory behavior. but the u.s. cancelled its own intercontinental ballistic missile test earlier this month because it did not wanting it to be misinterpreted by the russians. it didn't want to give the russians any excuse to say that the u.s. was escalating things with what was another routine test on the u.s. side. now we're going to have to wait and see if the u.s. decides to put future icbm tests back on the calendar and have them happen. they're watching the russian tests very closely and still analyzing it of course, but they don't see it as a particular threat or risk at this time. >> well, that's a relief. barbara starr, thank you very much for that reporting. joining us now is retired army lieutenant general mark hertling and jeff rey edmonds. general, i want to start with you on what's happening before our eyes minute by minute in mariupol. there are people trapped there, surrounded by russian forces. there are people that have been sheltering for weeks in this steel factory. children, elderly, mothers, everything. today they were going to have an opportunity to have a humanitarian corridor allegedly set up so that some of them, a thousand maybe, could escape. here they are waiting for these buses. you see them with their pets. you see them with children. and then we just got word from the ukrainian deputy prime minister that says this evacuation, the humanitarian corridor did not work out as planned today because the russians, or as they call them the occupiers, were unable to secure a proper cease-fire. there was disorganization, negligence, and not timely transportation to get these people to the buses and ambulances that were waiting. is there anything, general, that nato can do to step in here, or how do you see this dire situation? >> well, i'll talk about how i see it first. this is a psychological operation. russia has been known to do this kind of thing before. it gets the hopes up of the people who have been trapped in mariupol for weeks, thinking that they were going to get out. russia has planned humanitarian corridors in the past and has never delivered them. it is -- you get the hopes up of the people who think they're going to leave. suddenly they're dashed again. you know, the long lines of people still in the cold out there after having hunkered down in basements, it's just another disappointment. it's an attempt pby the russian forces to tcontinue to threaten and use tactics which harasses the civilian population. can nato do anything about this? no. they have already -- nato, the u.n., other organizations have already asked for humanitarian corridors. there's not much else you can do inside of a war zone when you can't get forces in there to help people get out. >> jeffrey, on the intel side of this, is this typical to kind of play on the inability to communicate with forces on the ground? is this russian strategy to rely on the inability to get to those troops along the corridor? >> no, i think it is. to the general's point, this is information warfare and something the russians have practiced quite a bit. so this very much falls in line with the tactics they would use in a situation like this. >> by the way, we were just looking at video there. i think those were empty buses. i think the buses we saw on the move were empty and the people loaded into actual shuttles, we just don't believe that they were able to get out. i don't know if they were then unloaded, but according, again, to the ukrainian deputy prime minister it didn't happen. they didn't make it to that safe humanitarian corridor. general, i just want to challenge you a little bit because the undersecretary of state for political affairs, victoria neuland, said that allies would have to be involved and perhaps would be so let me play that for you for a second. >> there will be nato allies involved in that is my understanding if it happens, but primarily the russians have to allow safe passage if this is going to happen and this has fallen apart a number of times before. >> so this often falls apart and the russians don't make good on it. but i don't understand logistically how nato could be involved, but is there some possibility for that? >> well, her operative phrase in that statement is "if it happens." certainly nato, any other organizational body like the united nations could be involved, but victoria nuland said if the russians allow it. you're talking about in the middle of a combat zone. usually when warring parties come together and they act under pragmatic and humanitarian rules, they will allow for these kinds of things to happen. but we're seeing russia do anything but act under humanitarian rules. they are in fact using those kind of rules. it's like putting a meal in front of a starving man and then saying, no, not so fast, we're not going give it to you. it is again part of the information ops, the psychological operations to crush the will of the ukrainian people and they have been very effective in trying to do that. >> jeffrey, on to this icbm test. the u.s. assessment is that this weapon is not operational in the russian military. is the u.s.' insight into russian weaponry solid enough that the world can take that to the bank? >> yes, it is. we've known about the development of this musclissile some team. regardless whether the ukraine war was happening, this missile was going to be launched at some point and we've known about that. it's been delayed quite a bit but it's in line with russia's attempts to modernize its forces. >> but here again, general, russia is playing by a different rule book than the united states is because the united states recognized that a missile test could be seen as provocative or accelerating something, so they cancelled theirs. and russia went ahead with its missile test. >> i'll reinforce what jeff said. they have postponed multiple tests of this missile over the last five years because they could not get it operational. so now suddenly in this situation, in this time, they say, oh, we're going to launch it. it's a threat. and we don't have to conduct test missile launches because truthfully we know ours work. >> i see you nodding there. so this is mostly a propaganda play, jeffrey? >> i think the timing of this is very much about coercive threats to the west. putin is known for this. the more that he's losing in ukraine, the more we're going to see in kind of escalated rhetoric. so the timing of this, certainly his statement about giving his adversaries pause to think is certainly very intentional. >> jeffrey edmonds, mark herltling, thank you both. the u.s. has unveiled its latest round of sanctions against russia. we'll tell you who is targeted this time. and new details tied to the fatal shooting on the "rust" movie set. new mexico officials found that the crew, quote, willfully violated safety rules. we'll explain. u're supposed to ! ugh! i mean is it the cartridges? i don't know! magenta! magenta! do you suffer from cartridge conniptions? be conniption-free, thanks t to the cartridge-free epson ecotank printer. big ink tanks, a ridiculous amount of ink! and a set of replacement bottles are equal to about 80 cartridges. it's a perfect cure for... i thought you said you bought the... i did buy the magenta! the epson ecotank. just fill & chill. 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>> i don't believe from the start that it's going to happen because all of the previous attempts going for nothing, because russia always lies and never do what they say. from the first day of the occupation of mariupol, the ukrainian government tried to move a lot of humanitarian aid to mariupol, but every time, they stop it and don't -- they don't allow any humanitarian aid except to them. their humanitarian aid is only like little drops in ocean, because about hundreds of thousands of people are left in the city and it's not enough for them. this is humanitarian aid from russia side. >> but maksym, just to be clear, you think all those people that we see lined up in this video that we have with their pets, with their children, with their backpacks, you think that the buses that were supposed to be taking them away, this was all a lie? i mean they seem -- they seem to believe that this is their last chance and that they could still get out, and in fact the ukrainian deputy prime minister says tomorrow -- actually the mayor, sorry, the mayor of mariupol says tomorrow we will resume our efforts and try again. do you think that's a lie too? >> as i know a little of people who russians say that they go out from mariupol to the point where ukraine buses are stayed. the russians don't let ukrainian buses go into mariupol, so they need to meet at a direct point. but we don't know for now people with six or seven buses from -- go out from mariupol, if they really go to ukraine and the point of meeting. we don't know this. and maybe tomorrow ukraine always try to resume to do all we can to get our people from mariupol. but russians stops any attempts. >> listen, we know that these promises from the russians to respect these corridors, they're unreliable. but let's focus now on the steel plant where there are up to 1,000 civilians who are there trying to avoid the shelling. there are injured members of the military. one description is that those who have not been treated, they are rotting from these open wounds there. how do you get these people out if you can't go through these corridors and there is no help coming in from the west to evacuate them? >> i don't know how ukraine only -- we don't cancel this situation by ourselves. we need help of all the countries. all the people seeing this situation in ukraine for a long time, for two months. and yes, we get help, but this help we need yesterday, not tomorrow and not after week. all these arms we need now, and all these -- people are dying in mariupol and other cities every day. russia strikes with missiles to any city of ukraine so there are no peaceful place in ukraine now. so we need all the help west can get to us. now, not in weeks, because it's too late. we lost more people. not only on avostol. those are very brave people but i don't know how we can help them without jet planes, without special ammunition, without modern ammunition. not old ammunition which we get from our allies. we need modern ammunition. >> yeah, i mean president biden keeps announcing more weapons sent, but it's very hard to get it to mariupol. if somehow these people that we see in this video are able tomorrow morning to get on those buses and make it to zaporizhzhia, are they safe in zaporizhzhia? 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so moscow 4 is the explanation of the stupidity of the system. >> joining us now is maria, the head of investigations at the anti-corruption foundation, which was founded by alexei navalny. she's also an executive producer of the film "navalny." i'm really looking forward to watching more than just the clips we've seen thus far. what can navalny's story tell us about vladimir putin, the russian regime, as we watch this war that they started? >> it's a pretty good prequel. it explains a lot, actually. it gives can you be text and it kind of explains how we ended up at this point in time and where putin is invading. >> you've been keeping the anti-corruption foundation running since navalny was arrested. so why is it important to keep this work going? how hard is it? >> well, it's not only me and dozens of other people who work with us. it's a matter of principle for us. just continue our work despite the fact that alexei is in prison. this is exactly what putin wanted to happen. he wanted to imprison navalny and stop his work, stop the political work, stop everything. for us, it is a matter of principle to show vladimir putin and whoever is responsible for this that this is not going to work. that we're going to continue our work and we're going to work harder and more than we did before. and we intend to keep going as long it is a takes. >> again, you are the head of investigations at this foundation. what have you uncovered recently? >> well, one of the, there was an investigation that we did about putin's yacht. it is parked somewhere in italy and it has no owner. i think it is 11th or 12th yacht in the world and now investigation is proof that it belongs to vladimir putin. and last week we published an investigation about a russian conductor, a which is a cal musician who is very famous, a frequent guest at places like the metropolitan opera, france opera, he is not only a famous musician but a prominent supporter of putin and putin's war. so we did a big investigation into hthat. >> so we're back to navalny. he was recently sentenced to more time in prison. what do you think the future holds for him? will he be able to get out of this prison? >> i think that his numbers mean nothing. he can be sentenced to nine years to 99 years to 900 years. it is virtually meaningless. this case is purely political. vladimir putin decided to throw him into jail indefinitely. so as many people say, navalny's sentence is a life sentence. the question is whose life it will be? i'm pretty sure that navalny will stay in prison probably until putin leaves the office, until putin is removed from power. our job, our mission is to make sure that this day comes as quickly as possible and alexei is out of prison as soon as possible. >> you know, of course we expect to learn in this documentary what navalny's vision is for russia. what he imagined the future will be. do you expect that that russia will ever come to fruition? >> absolutely. that's the plan. that's what we are working for for many years. and if we did something for a decade that we didn't believe in and we didn't believe that it was possible. i am convince that had the beautiful future, it is indeed possible, achievable and obtainable, and yes, it will take a lot of effort and a lot of work to make sure that it is materializing but there are so many people, so many russians who are willing to do this work. willing to risk their life, their careers, their everything just to make sure that russia one day becomes a free and democratic country. >> well, we cannot wait to see the film. it looks so compelling. maria, thank you very much for helping preview it with us. and this new cnn film "navalny" will appear sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. we'll be right back. 2) i apprececiate your appreciatio. it fills me. 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