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>> it is expected to start now, 2:00 p.m. local time. as you said, the track record with russia is not great. especially because the civilians are supposed to make their way to the city of zaporizhzhia, a ukrainian-held city. but these people desperately need to be taken out of the steel plant. for the battered and desperate cities of mariupol, a chilling new threat. an sbu have an intercept who said russian aircraft were planning to, quote, level everything to go around around azovstal. cnn cannot vouch for the authenticity, but the sbu released it from radio traffic revealing russian soldiers killing and reigning civilians, bolstering allegations of war crimes by russian troops. military observers have also noted a tendency of russian troops to use unsecured communications in ukraine. for now, a ukrainian commander says russian forces are, quote, willingly bombing and shelling the plant, a sprawling complex in mariupol's southeast that once employed more than 10,000 people. it's unclear how many ukrainian forces are at the site. but one commander said they are using bunker buster bombs and other artillery at the facility. video posted on government social media, which cnn cannot verify, shows dozens of women and children who say they have been holding out for weeks. the russian military official in charge of the operation say they will allow the civilians safe package out of the area. >> translator: russian leadership will guarantee safe evacuation of each and every civilians as well as the safety of the convoy movement in any direction they choose. >> reporter: it is unclear if they will take the word of the russian general who has been accused of excesses during the mariupol campaign. not all of mariupol are in the steel factory. tens of thousands are trying to survive in other parts of the city. cnn is not in mariupol. but reuters found these people cooking outside a residential building on monday. they are chopping wood to make a fire to boil water, soup, and even cook some pancakes. this woman, cutting a boy's hair, said, quote, they need to quickly fix the water supply system. how can we live without water? it's horrible. >> translator: to be honest, we are not well. i have mental problems after the air strikes, that's for sure. i'm really scared. when i hear a plane, i just run away. >> you can understand that fear. matt rivers, thanks so much. and let's talk to the senior adviser to president zelenskyy's chief of staff. thank you for taking your time. . >> thank you for having me. >> you hear a russian military commander saying they will guarantee the safety of the people there to let them escape that steel plant in mariupol. do you believe that pledge? >> the plan is to take them as hos hostages. the ukrainian soldiers are not ready to give up. their proposal is give up and you will be in prison in russia after this. the ukrainian soldiers will fight. our view on this has to be humanitarian corridor to a place controlled by the ukraine government. >> that's for the civilians there. you heard the military commander in the steel plant ask for some kind of third country monitored path out for the soldiers as well. has any offered to do this? >> global leaders, presidents, would they be grantors so they can be present in mariupol or somewhere to arrange the corridor would be great. but frankly speaking, as of today, we have something maybe going on in kyiv. we are in lviv. we have to understand this. but our proposal is open. we called on global leaders so people can safely leave the factory. >> we see situations like this in this country every day, people attacked, deliberately targeted by the russians. many are dying. hundreds and hundreds of dying. you hear the world protest but not stop it. and i want to ask you to listen. i asked the u.s. ambassador to the night approximated nations yesterday about this disconnect. public complaints but no action to stop it. have a listen. i want to get your reaction. if the u.n. cannot stop a war in the 2021 century in which we're witnessing war crimes perhaps every day here, if it cannot to that, what does the u.n.'s true influence today? >> that's an extraordinarily important question and one we grapple with every single day at the united nations. but we do have the power. we have the power to blunt the russian veto. we have the power to isolate russia, which we have successfully done over the course of this war. we have isolated them in the security council and, as you know, in the general assembly. >> ambassador linda thomas-greenfield. she said russia is being isolated. is that enough? >> it is not enough. we are calling to recognize russia as a terrorist state. and working with our president and head of staff and american diplomats, ambassador to moscow. we have prepared a road map, action plan to impose stronger sanctions on russia and avoid the loopholes. one is to recognize russia as a terrorist state. the blockage of transactions. it is a much more difficult way for russia to earn money and spend money. less money for army to kill ukrainians. this paper will be presented today in kyiv. a i think sanctions is one of the main instruments. sanctions and weapons. . >> we are seeing both ukrainians and the u.s. and others preparing for an even bloodier phase in eastern crain. now we see an urgent effort to get artillery there. do ukrainian force versus enough in the east to hold off the russian advance as they did around kyiv? >> you know, it's a situation when we need as much weapons as possible. it's never enough. and i recall one of the statements of president zelenskyy to global leaders saying you send us weapons. we very much appreciate it. but you believe the weapons will be enough for one week of war. but we spend the weapons during 20 hours. please consider this is a brutal, bloody war. so we need more weapons, not only ukraine to defend the global order, democracy. >> is there a particular category of weapon that you believe you're missing to help defend particularly in this new fighting in the east? . >> artillery and heavy weapons. so this is going to be a real battle. and this battle is going to start soon or even it started already. because russia collected enough army, weapons, to start this war. and we consider this global battle started already. the dynamics can be different. it depends on the weather, the motivation of soldiers and different points. that is why we are still looking for more weapons to be supplied to ukraine. at the same time we see russia attacks leave in an effort to destroy a railway infrastructure. that's why it has to be done as soon as possible. >> sergii leshchennko, thank you for joining us this morning. jim, the russian forces have started on the new phase of the war, a large scale ground offensive as they are intent on capturing the eastern part of ukraine, pitting them against these dug in forces who are making one last stand for mariupol. joining us now to discuss the strategy aspect of this invasion when it comes to russia and ukraine is retired u.s. army brigadier general steven anderson. thank you so much for joining us this morning. i want to start with mariupol. this deadline passed 15 minutes ago where russians are calling on the ukrainian forces inside the steel plant to surrender. but they are saying, no, they are not going to. so much reminds you of history. what are you seeing when it comes to mariupol specifically. >> well, thank you, kaitlan. vladimir putin needs to study his history. specifically the battle of stalingrad. when i look at films like this, the overflight of the steel factory, it looks exactly like the situation on the ground in 1941 in stalingrad in which the russians fought off the germans, lost a million soldiers in the process but were able to turn the tide of world war ii with their tenacity and fighting in a hardened structure with lots of underground tunnels and lots of places to hide. he needs to think about what's going on in mariupol. you have a steel factory, no the a tractor factory like they had in stalingrad. they are using cover and concealment. i don't see them surrendering any time soon. regardless of what happens, the fight in mariupol, just like the fight in stalingrad, will inspire generations of ukrainians. >> i think that could certainly be true. they have certainly done that so far the last several weeks. you say putin needs to study history. we heard from the pentagon they think russia is learning its lessons about what happened in the beginning of this invasion when they had repeated failures. do you think they're actually able to learn those lessons and kind of change the trajectory of this for russia? >> well, they are a third-rate army. it will take them 10 years to come to our level. they have a lot of work to do. but are they learning their lessons? i don't think so. because the ig best problem with their entire strategy is the principle of mass. they have faced to mass at the right places. vladimir putin has a math problem in that he's fighting 44 million ukrainians. now, we've heard from the pentagon their forces have been degraded and already 25%. they're down to about 140,000 soldiers. if you do the math, 140,000 soldiers, they're outnumbered 280:1. they continue to attack on this front of 250 miles. they would be much better off if they picked a spot and attacked hard. i think perhaps the area of donetsk would be good. number one, they have secure supply lines, which has plagued them from the very beginning. number two, they have friendly people there. the russian separatists who would be supporting them. so their supply lines would be interdicted. these efforts require at least 200 truckloads of supplies a day to sustain it. i just don't think they can to that. they need to mass. and the ukrainians need to prepare for a massed attack of artillery, tanks online, brute force, bulldozer type warfare. . >> well, that makes me wonder about this arms package. they are preparing another $800 million in military assistance to ukraine. you just heard what the adviser told jim there. they normally go through in 20 hours, what would normally last a week. is it getting into ukraine enough to make a difference? . >> well, i certainly hope so. i want to make two other historic references if i could. first of all, the berlin airlift of 1949. we were flying a plane every 45 seconds behind the iron curtain to support the people in berlin. every 45 seconds. i'm not saying we need to do that. but we have established an air bridge out here in poland from east coast bases, specifically dover and charleston air force base. we have an incredible air fleet. 225 c-17s, 125 c-5s. we need to set up a ukraine airlift, if you will, from the united states into poland. then the red ball express. 6,000 trucks moving throughout from normandy into germany to support the third army advance by patton on germany. we need to have a similar red ball express. pushing hundreds of trucks all the way down here no dnipro, which is probably their significant log base in this area. we could use 15,000 miles of rail. and we could also use the river. we could float barges that could carry a lot of equipment, perhaps some of the captured equipment from the battle of kyiv. we need a ukrainian airlift and ukrainian express just like we did with berlin and the red wall express. . >> thank you for sharing your expertise with us this morning. >> thank you. also this morning, there is a new warning from the u.s. to americans looking to go fight in ukraine. we'll speak with an american fighter on the ground in ukraine next. plus, more on what happens to u.s. weapons once they're delivered to ukraine. and back here in the united states, could the justice department step in to bring back president biden's public transportation mask mandate? 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>> yeah. well, first days after russians ran away from kyiv, there were so many bodies on the streets. bucha irpin, borodianka, the little cities outside kyiv they destroyed completely. and people were executed on the streets. there were so many civilian casualties. but now it two weeks now it is getting better and better. a lot of local people. a lot of people from the capital, a lot of people like us. we go there and we help them to clean up, to make it look a little bit better. of course a lot of buildings are still completely destroyed. but all the damaged russian tanks are gone. the first priority was to remove all the dead bodies and accountability of civilian casualties. so the process of rebuilding is slowly and ongoing. every single day we see it's getting a little bit better and better and better. so it's a good thing to see. >> it is for sure. and i've been amazed in all my time here at the resourcefulness as they respond to this and then turn things around. i want to ask you, because you are someone with genuine combat assistance in afghanistan. what is your view of the fighting so far? what worked around kyiv for ukrainian forces, and do you think that will work against russian forces in the east? i will tell you two things. first of all, they understatemented ukrainian military. of course right now we have full invasion. but the war has kept going for eight years now. they invaded eastern part of ukraine eight years ago. for eight years, our military kept getting better and better with the help of our allies like the united states and gland. russia just underestimated us. and second, they overestimated themselves. even their leaders created so much propaganda that they were the best army in the world, that they believed it themselves. they expected to get it done in three or four days. you know what, i tell you that there are a lot of civilians casualties outside of kyiv but also a lot of russian casualties as well. which for us is a good thing to see. our military completely wiped them out. i was surprised. i d did not think our military was so capability. we showed resilience. we showed we are strong and capable. >> let me ask you this. the state department is reiterating, reemphasizing a warning to americans who come to ukraine to fight, they may face capture, mistreatment or death if they are captured. certainly you can die in kpwalt. but captured by the russians. for someone like you, does that give you pause? >> i mean, i understand what can happen if russia catches you. the chance is slim. but you know what, what i keep saying to all the americans and other europeans that want to come to fight here, think twice. if you come here and you help us, i am grateful. but also it is not a walk in the park. it is very dangerous. it is more dangerous than afghanistan was. we have to deal with their artillery, tanks, missiles. of course any war is dangerous. here is like a dogfight. a minute ago i said russia is not as strong as they want people to seem but they are pretty strong and they are capable to create damage. if you want to come here, think twice. i'm not saying it's a suicide mission but i am saying there is a big chance to get damaged, killed or captured. just think twice. and if you want to come here, thank you. >> it's wise advice. the weapons are bigger, the russian forces are bigger. they can spread that effect further across the country. miro, i'm sure a lot of folks would say the same thing. please stay safe. >> can i add one thing, please? 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remember, the only thing that this order does is stop the mask mandate between now and may 3rd, just a couple of days. they may say to the cdc, you know, let's just leave this thing alone at this point. the cdc was going to withdraw the mask mandate yesterday. president biden said got off message and said, heck with it, let people decide themselves. they are leaning in the direction of not appealing and letting it lie until may 3rd. . >> the concern is if they do appeal and it goes to the supreme court and gets shot down, then what does it say for their authority going forward? . >> that's right. but the problem is this ruling is now out there. they feel that one of the reasons we have a cdc is to act in public health emergencies to protect the public health >> what is the risk of not appealing this decision? >> the risk is you have this ruling on the books. it is not of nationwide application. it's only from the middle district of florida. the other risk is there are people in the government who feel we still need a mask mandate and we need to protect people on planes and trains before may 3rd. we have to hope the covid situation doesn't require to return to this sort of mandate. but, you know, obviously knows whether that's going to happen. >> it creates this total legal and political dilemma for the white house. . >> they recognize a lot of people are happy to see this mandate go. the president seemed to indicate it's okay to let it go. they may just let it go. . >> thank you, jeffrey toobin for sharing your expertise with us. we have a deadline for the ukrainian fighters to russian forces. what the commander is now warning will happen if they don't get help from a third country. and a u.s. doctor no stranger has snuck into ukraine to help on the front lines. you don't know how much pressure you put on your septic system. but rid-x does. in a 21 month study, scientists proved that rid- x reduces up to 20% of waste build up every month. take the pressure off with rid-x. ♪ (drum roll) ♪ ♪ (energetic music) ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ (camera shutters) the all-new lx 600. ready for any arena. ♪ ♪ your shipping manager left to “find themself.” leaving you lost. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire at xfinity, we live and work in the same neighborhood as you. we're always working to keep you connected to what you love. and now, we're working to bring you the next generation of wifi. it's ultra-fast. faster than a gig. supersonic wifi. only from xfinity. it can power hundreds of devices with three times the bandwidth. so your growing wifi needs will be met. supersonic wifi only from us... xfinity. we have new reporting from tkphrp collaboration with the global health reporting center about a texas driver driven by keep personal connection, traveling all the way here to ukraine to help local doctors treat the wounded of war, both soldiers and civilians. our dr. sanjay gupta joins us now with a remarkable story. >> reporter: hey, jim. yeah. we have seen the misery of what's happening in ukraine. 2,000 civilians now killed and many more wounded. every time we see the ambassador and explosions on television, there are people who are rushing in to try to help the injured, try to save their lives, at risk to their own loves. this doctor is one of those people, and here is a little bit of his story. >> whenever i travel to the war zones and i leave my home, always i do one-way ticket. >> reporter: the doctor is getting ready for a journey he's made before. his third trip from his home in edinburgh, texas, to eastern ukraine. . >> as a physician first, it's our duty and our ethics to help every needed person in the world. >> i understand that feeling. i've been in war zones and disaster zones as a reporter. he and i were in haiti at the same time in 2010. at times, i have felt compelled to help. how much do you worry now about your own safety? . >> every time i go back, i say this is maybe the last time i'll be going. when i decide to come, it's a lot of fear. and then in a minute i just remember my promise and people lost their lives and their children not seeing them. >> reporter: a syrian-american ran over 30 medical missions to help his homeland during the catasc catastrophic war there. even as the conflict continues in syria, he finds himself in a similar situation in another country >> what is happening in ukraine happened in syria. and i feel myself i am part of that. . >> nearly two months of war, at least 119 attacks on clinics and hospitals have left the ukrainian health system in disarray. and desperately in need of outside help. >> the hospitals, which have been attacked by the russian army. >> reporter: dr. jazji spends the next five days in a constant blur of action. is there not enough care to be given? . >> a lot of high-complexity surgeons. trauma. like we did a surgery for a person who lost half of their upper months tear orof her shoulder, chest. this man survived. >> there are issues with water, electricity, shortages of medical supplies. performing as many as half a dozen in a day, one thing he learned in syria, is the need to perform skin grafts as soon as possible to reduce the risk of infection. >> this is the most challenging really kind of surgery because the more the faster you cover the bone, you facilitate healing and prevent infection. >> reporter: these are patients who have been injured in these explosions we have been witnessing on television. they may lose skin, they may have fractured bones, they may need amputations and you're talking about creating flaps to try and try to care for them, is that right? >> you make a big difference in people's life. >> reporter: dr. yazji doesn't just provide medical support, though, he provides a form of mental nourishment to the ukrainian doctors as well. >> when i see ukrainian doctor suffering, because, you know, exhausted, mentally, physically, and the attack on them, i see us, we are there, that is why this is all make me come to ukraine and be with them. >> reporter: the morning after our call, he started for home. but leaving with a promise that he will be back. >> got to tell you, jim, so, you know, he started doing these medical missions in syria, back in 2011. done 30 of them since then people are asking me, as we have been reporting this piece, how long did that conflict last. as you well know, jim, it goes on. that's one of the points dr. yazji wanted me to make, sometimes there is a lot of attention on things at the time, but the attention goes away, but that doesn't mean the conflicts end and he is still going back and forth as you just heard, jim. >> it can go on for years and as you know better than me, the scars, right, of this go on for many years after the fighting stops. sanjay, thank you for bringing us the story. nice to see little silver linings in the midst of all the suffering. new this morning, two zoo employees, zoo employees in kharkiv, they stayed behind to tend to the animals, try to keep them safe. they have now been found dead. why? 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i don't believe it. like he's back. this is alexey. >> putin is supposed to be not so stupid to use novichok. >> his intonation. >> if you want to kill someone, just shoot him, jesus christ. >> like real alexey, impossible to believe it. >> it is kind of stupid. >> the whole idea of poisoning with a chemical weapon, this is why, this is so smart because even reasonable people, they refuse to believe, like, what, come on, poisoned? seriously? >> and a surprise to no one, russian denies they played any role in navalny's poisoning. they said, if they wanted him dead, they probably would have finished it. despite the denials, the poison used on him was later linked to the kremlin through investigations by international news organizations, including belling cat and cnn. joining us is the director of the new documentary, daniel rorer. this documentary, this is truly something else. and it couldn't be coming out at a more critical moment. i wonder for people watching what is happening in ukraine so closely what are they going to learn about what russia is doing from navalny's story? >> well, kaitlan, it is an excellent question. since we premiere d the film at the sun dance film festival, the complex has changed, this egregious war has been launched by the russian government, committing war crimes every single day. what this film serves to the world is vladimir putin is not russia and russia is not vladimir putin. and what alexey navalny offers is an alternate vision of what russia could be. alexey is locked up because he believes in democracy, and freedom of the press and freedom of expression and rule of law. and so many of these virtues we take for granted in the west. >> daniel, one thing that comes across in the film so powerfully is that this is a family battle here. his wife, yulia, daughter dasha, they are right in the middle of it. it was such a pleasure to meet them with you and it is inspiring to meet them. describe how they managed this, right, because they got to go on, while their husband and father remains in prison. >> absolutely, jim. i think one of the best compliments i've received about the film so far is someone came up to me after a screening and told me how shocked they were that it was a love story at the center of this film is a love story between alexey navalny's wife and their family, and what i still find remarkable is the unwavering, unflappable support that alexey's family has for him. it is like the entire family has this iron spine, their character is extraordinary and i think his strength, the foundation for his strength is the strength of his extraordinary wife yulia and their children. everyone believes in what he's doing and everyone supports the sacrifice that he's making. >> and a young son too, as well as you note there. navalny as you know continued to be an outspoken critic of the russian invasion as well as putin on twitter and messages from his supporters, even while he's suffering, you know,

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