senator chuck grassley. the panel oversees the confirmation hearings. >> the president has been facing some conservative outcry over his vow to nominate a black woman. cnn's kaitlan collins is at the white house so what's the plan? >> reporter: this is really the first formal meeting that we have seen since justice breyer did confirm and make it official last week that he will be stepping down from the supreme court if his successor is confirmed by that point at the end of this term. that would be to put it around june or july. so of course the topic at this meeting today with president biden and vice president harris in the oval office is who is going to replace him? that is going to be the next big question for this white house, and president biden has said he will pick someone by the end of the month, he believes, and so today, this is the first formal meeting that we're seeing where they are discussing this vacancy here at the white house though we know the preparations with well under way to figure out who the next nominee is going to be. we've talked about the short list and those candidates and what they look like and senator dick durbin and chuck grassley are going to play a key role in this process going forward because they are going to be the ones handling the confirmation hearing happening on capitol hill once president biden has picked who his nominee, his supreme court pick, is going to be. we already know that he has said he will stand by his pledge to put the first black woman on the supreme court. it is, of course, pretty familiar territory for president biden, given he was once the chairman of the senate judiciary committee and now he's meeting with the new chairman of the senate judiciary committee in the oval office now. we should get some camera footage any moment now of what's happening inside that meeting. we'll see what president biden says as they are working on this search to figure out who he is going to pick and as he is trying to make history with the selection. >> okay, kaitlan collins, thank you very much. all right, now to new information on donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. we're getting new details about the behind-the-scenes maneuvering by former president trump and his inner circle. cnn has learned that not one, but two versions of an executive order were drafted to try to seize voting machines in states that trump lost. the first one directed the department of defense to seize these machines. the second one directed the department of homeland security to do so. had those orders been issued, it would have been an unprecedented use of military and federal agents. "the new york times" reports that donald trump himself was directly involved. quote, president trump directed his lawyer, rudolph giuliani, to make a remarkable call, to ask the department of homeland security if it could legally take control of voting machines in key swing states. end quote. sources say the idea was the brain child of two retired military officers, former trump national security advisor michael flynn and army colonel phil waldron. >> it's not clear who wrote those orders. we do know that at one point, giuliani approached ken cuccinelli, second in command at dhs at the time, about seizing voting machines after the election. cuccinelli pushed back saying homeland security had no authority. cuccinelli has said the conversation never developed to the point of talking about an executive order. cnn has also learned that another top aide to former vice president mike pence, greg jacob, is meeting with the january 6th committee today. the other aid, marc short, pence's chief of staff, gave an interview to the committee last week. let's talk about this now with former federal prosecutor, retired army lieutenant general mark hurtling, cnn military analyst and cnn senior political analyst john avlon, who once worked for rudy giuliani when he was new york mayor. welcome to all of you. and john, let's start with you. and this -- i mean, we first learned that rudy giuliani was at the head of this fake elector scam. now he's going to cuccinelli and saying, hey, can you lead up this seizure of voting machines? just how integral he is to this broad scam to try to steal the election. >> he seems to have been completely integral. donald trump was using him as his go-to guy under the auspices of being his lawyer to push through all these unconstitutional and in some cases illegal schemes to overturn an election. you know, according to "the new york times," trump told giuliani to intervene and therefore, that was the context for this conversation with cuccinelli. we need to take a step back and just keep perspective here. this attempt to overturn elections, the details we're learning, the draft executive orders that we have read, are unlike anything in american history. this is such an autocratic attempt to undermine our democracy, to steal power, to destroy everything that makes this a constitutional democratic republic. it is far beyond anything that richard nixon ever attempted. this is villainy in the eyes of american history. >> it veers into mirolitary cou. this is third world stuff when you hear about how the plan was to try to rope the department of defense and the department of homeland security into seizing voting machines in the states where donald trump lost and i'm just wondering what your thoughts are as you hear about this plot. >> yeah, well, i wouldn't go so far as to call it a coup. perhaps it was an attempt at the start of a coup, but the definition of a coup, alisyn, is a violent overthrow of a government with control of all parts of the armed forces, the police and other military elements. they never had that. they had a couple of whack jobs in flynn and waldron and suggested this kind of operation, but in fact, you know, it was stopped within the pentagon. i don't know where it was stopped. you know, was it stopped at the civilian leadership or the military leadership? but i'll tell you, alisyn, as i said so many times on this program, the military will not follow illegal orders. this is, as john just said, this would have been an illegal order. if there was anyone in the civilian infrastructure of the department of defense, someone who had been placed there by the president, it still has to go to the military commanders, and having been a former military commander, i will tell you, there's always a lawyer by my side when i was making decisions on whether an order was illegal or legal, and i got to tell you, it would have stopped there as we've seen several other times during the trump administration. but this is just, as john just said, this is just flabbergasting that it even got that far, that a draft order would be written and that there were some people willing to carry it out. >> so, renato, the general makes a good point about how far this went and how far it did not go, but for those who aided in, who typed it up, who tried to push it, is there some legal exposure for them, for trying to get this done? >> yeah, i certainly, there is. i mean, i think particularly, we've heard details about this fake elector scheme obviously making false statements to the federal government in connection with any stort of governmental proceeding can be a crime, but i have to say, this goes beyond a -- any sort of typical federal crime. i mean, what we're talking about here is potentially the end of american democracy. and i agree with the general that this did -- thankfully, didn't get as far as it could have, but it's actually pretty scary that we got to a point where there was a proposal that would have potentially ended our constitutional system and our way of government. so -- and as we saw with rudy giuliani, just because someone's a lawyer, they may not always be giving the right advice. so what i would say is this certainly was beyond the pale. it was an abuse of presidential power. whether or not it turns into criminal charges or civil charges really depends on the evidence that's yet to come from that committee. >> there are so many threads here, john, in terms of the gross disregard for the office of the presidency. so, another one is that the documents that showed up at the national archive at the end of the trump administration were torn up into little pieces, many of them. that jogged victor's memory. >> yes. >> of an interview that i did in 2018 on "new day," talking to the guys who were tasked at the national -- these are archivists. these are professional archivists. they were tasked with like an arts and crafts project of having to tape together pieces and they showed it to us. they demonstrated for us what they had to do with trump documents. here's this. can you just hold up, both of you, for us, the kinds of things that were delivered to your desk and the -- what size little pieces of paper were these? show me some of the sizes. >> oh, different sizes. >> tiny pieces. >> it was -- >> medium size. >> okay. and then what would you both set about doing? demonstrate it for us. >> all right. like a puzzle. >> laid it out on the table. >> lay it out on the table. >> big desk. poured the contents on the desk and we literally had to spend hours per day piecing together the puzzle. >> these important documents now. >> yes. >> at the national archives are being treated that way because a total disregard for the presidential records act. >> i mean -- >> and history and the office of the presidency. >> all of that. it clearly shows, a, donald trump felt he had something to hide, and no respect for the office of the president or the historic record. this is all an ego trip. the big lie, an attempt to overturn our democracy is being done solely to soothe his ego. that's how much of a seditious snowflake this guy is. and so he's trying to destroy all these documents, and they're being put together dutifully by people who are dedicated civil servants, far more respect for the historical record than the person actually occupying the oval office at the time. but it's just one more example. the picture couldn't be clearer. one thing that's so stunning to me is to see, as this information comes out, republican senators currently in office who have sworn an oath to uphold the constitution, all finding ways to rationalize what donald trump did as he tries to aim for the presidency again. just stop for one second, and pretend for a second that you give a damn about the action and not about partisan affiliation. what would those senators say if a democratic president did it? it is -- this is happening right now. the cowardice is still occurring. >> renato, let me ask you. i mentioned these two pence aides who are before the 1/6 committee, greg jacobs today, marc short, hofstra who was the staff during the trump administration to vice president pence. we know that from pence's people, that he would rather see those -- that level, those top aides go to the committee instead of show up himself as a proxy for him. does that get the committee what they need, or do they still need to hear from the vice president? >> i think it gets to the committee what they need as long as there weren't personal conversations between trump and pence in which trump made statements to pence, directed pence to do things. >> mariotti, hold on one second. we want to go to the white house now because there's this meeting with the president and two senators who lead the senate judiciary committee. >> two good friends down here. we've done an awful lot of supreme court justices together, senator grassley and i, as well as senator durbin. and we've worked together in a lot of court nominations overall, but particularly supreme court nominees, and selecting a justice is one of the president's most serious responsibilities, and as i always said and i went back and looked at a lot of the opening statements i made, apparently, dick, i presided over more supreme court justices than anybody around who's still in congress or associated with government, which is kind of means we must be beyond 60, chuck. i'm not sure what it is. >> from you, it would be 15 or 16. >> yeah, i started way back early on. early '70s. at any rate, what we're going to do, as i've said before and i went back and looked at some of the opening statements i made from justices over the years, you know, the constitution says advise and consent. advice and consent. and i'm serious when i say it, that i want the advice of the senate as well as the consent we can arrive on who the nominee should be. and you know, it's -- there's always a renewed national debate every time we nominate -- any president nominates a justice, because the constitution is also evolving slightly in terms of additional rights or curtailing rights, et cetera. and it's always an issue. and there are several schools of thought in terms of judicial philosophy, and we'll see. but the fact is that i'm looking for someone who i can -- this is not a static issue. it flows back and forth. i'm looking for a candidate with character, with the qualities of a judge in terms of being courteous to the folks before them and treating people with respect. as well as a judicial philosophy that is more one that suggests that there are unenumerated rights in the constitution and all the amendments mean something, including the ninth amendment, and i intend to take this decision -- make this decision and get it to my colleagues by the end of the month. that's my hope. and i am looking forward to their advice and how to proceed and how the hearing will be conducted and the like. so, thank you very much. we're going to get a chance to talk. i want to hear from them today. thank you. >> mr. president, mr. president, plmt. mr. president. >> all right, president biden there meeting with the top two members of senate usual, chairman dick durbin, ranking member chuck grassley, discussing, one, what he's looking for from the senate, of course, advice and consent, their constitutional role, says he's actually looking for that and then detailing the elements he's looking for in his nominee. >> he said he wants someone with character, someone who's respectful and he wants to look at their judicial philosophy and he's going to make a decision by the end of the month. we'll see what happens after this meeting. all right. let's go -- we've still got our panel. back to renato mariotti to finish your thought. we were talking about the pence aides and if that will get the committee what they need instead of potentially not hearing directly from former vice president mike pence. >> well, the committee's job, victor, is to chronicle what happened, and particularly given that we know pence and trump both said they had conversations around that time, those conversations are things that only those two men know unless other people were listening in on the line. so, i do think for those conversations, they will need testimony or a record of some kind from pence about those conversations. otherwise, i do think that they can get a lot of what they need from marc short and others who presumably were not only there that day but of course were in close communication with mike pence. >> okay. gentlemen, thank you very much. we really appreciate your help with all of that. all right, let's go now to breaking news. we've got miguel marquez with us here. breaking news of a shooting in virginia. what do you know? >> reporter: this is in bridgewater, virginia, out on the western edge of virginia, right near west virginia, basically, bridge water college she has they have an ongoing situation. it sounds, at the moment, that one person has been taken into custody. that the situation may be coming to a resolution and an end. there is no reports of anyone injured so far. but this person may be in custody. the university, the college still asking students there to shelter in place until they're 100% that everything is clear. >> let's pray that the no injury stays as you get more developments. thank you very much for bringing that breaking news. >> all right. well, pfizer could submit an emergency use authorization request as soon as today for the covid vaccine and kids under 5, so many parents have been waiting for this. why the company might ask for approval of fewer doses to accelerate that timeline. we'll talk about that. and seven-time super bowl champ tom brady announces his retirement. why now? 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so, we welcome seeing these data. we have many americans in this age group. they're out there in the community. they do get infected, and unfortunately, every day now, nearly 900 children, less than 17 years of age, approximately 900 children are being hospitalized every day in the united states right now with omicron because it spreads so readily and then particularly in the very young age groups, the airways are smaller, so that may also contribute to some difficulty handling secretions, handling the viral infection in the upper airway with those very young ages. >> yeah, so, dr. levy, i think so many parents will be heartened to hear, safety first. how long will it take you to look at all that data to figure out safety and efficacy? can it be approved by the end of this month? >> so, again, i think the sponsor in this case, pfizer, provides the data documents to fda. fda makes a determination if they want to convene our committee, and until such time as they publicly disclose the date of such a meeting, i'm not allowed to comment on it. but once it becomes public, then of course i can. and then a few days before the meeting, they release documents for our committee to review. those documents are eventually made public. every piece of information we are provided is made public for any american to download off the fda website. it's a transparent process. and of course as you know our deliberations will be live and in public. everything is on the record. so, it is a good process and let it take its course, and i look forward to it. >> we do too. we appreciate all that transparency. dr. ofer levy, thank you. >> always a pleasure. thank you. all right, after 22 seasons, seven-time super bowl champion, he also got a bunch of mvp trophies i can tell you all about during the commercial break, victor. >> tell me about it. >> but tom brady is hanging up his cleats. reaction to his retirement from one of his biggest fans at cnn. >> or anywhere. >> super fan. or anywhere on earth, honestly. john berman will be with us. listen, there's a lot going on today. here's what else we're watching. with age comes more... get more with neutrogena® retinol pro plus. a powerful .05% retinol that's also gentle on skin. for wrinkles results in one week. neutrogena®. for people with skin. i brought in ensure max protein, with thirty grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks! 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>> i feel empty. i feel -- i feel lost. no, look, you know, actually, he did us all a favor, or espn did, by sort of leaking it out over a few days, so i have had a few days to adjust to this, and i'm doing better now. i've come to terms with, i'm going to have some more time on sundays. >> oh. >> i'm going to have -- >> a ton of free time. >> i have to get into fashion. i mean, you know, i'll have to watch the patriots but i won't have to watch the bucs also. i have to get into nutrition or fashion or whatever the next area that tom brady wants to dominate is, but i'm prepared to change. i mean, i'm ready for change. >> damian, as i listed off just some of the accolades here, seven super bowl wins, ten appearances, five-time super bowl mvp, 35 playoff wins, 243 career regular season wins, 624 touchdown passes, 84,520 passing yards. can there ever be another tom brady? >> victor, you'll be hard pressed to find someone in this lifetime that will put up those type of accolades and it's just tremendous what tom brady's been able to do over 22 years. but you know, when i look at tom brady, he really is the epitome of the american dream if you think about it. this was a guy, he wasn't a heralded pick. this was a guy picked in the sixth round, 199th pick in the 2000 draft. he was a fourth string quarterback coming out of university of michigan, and he worked his way up, methodically, became the back-up quarterback behind drew bledsoe and all it took was an opportunity and once he got that opportunity, he ran with it with arguably the best career in nfl history. >> john berman, you never really told me all that stuff about brady. you just talked about how cute he was. >> well, it's all true. it's not mutually exclusive. i just want to be clear about that. and damien woody knows, he hit on the thing what's most amazing about brady. he was the 199th pick. he was 199th pick in the nfl draft. every nfl team passed on him five times. imagine how they felt every day for the last 22 years. like, oops. five times? we had a chance to pick that guy. and we didn't do it. it really is amazing, and the other thing, just in terms of new england and boston, what he meant, and damian can speak to this because he was on some of those great teams but also was there when they were struggling a little bit. if you were a boston fan, red sox, patriots, you were kind of used to it all going belly up at the end. things went wrong. and then all of a sudden, starting with tom brady, they didn't anymore. things stopped going wrong. they went incredibly right. i mean, look how right. it just -- it was a totally different mindset. he just completely changed the way we looked at everything. >> just every once in a while, you glance over at a monitor and just feel it again, john. just feel it again. damian, let me come to you. what do you make of this first statement, not including mention of the patriots, not including mention of new england, and then the, thanks, patriot nation, afterwards, no mention of the team specifically. you think there's some -- something there we should be paying attention to? >> no, victor, it's nothing there. and all i've been hearing all day is a bunch of whining and crying from patriot nation about, oh, tom brady, you know, dismissed us. how could he possibly do this after 20 years in new england? and i'm telling everyone, just chill out. calm down. when he left new england to go to tampa bay, he put out this lengthy statement thanking patriot nation for everything that he was able to do in new england for 20 years. and you know, i'm sure tom brady's going to go back to new england and he's going to -- it's going to be a love fest, so for all the patriots fans out there that was crying because tom didn't include the patriots in that lengthy statement, relax. you got six championships. what more do you want? >> john, did you feel snubbed? >> no. i will say, i know if he went to the sixth page on the instagram post or seventh page, he would have thanked me personally, but i know he's thinking about me. no, i didn't feel slighted. he plays for the buccaneers. he had to be talking about them. he did. and you know, my friends up in boston, my fellow massholes, sometimes they take things too personally and this was not about them. and brady clearly knew what he had to do to correct it after the fact. he saw it. he made us all feel better. he cares about all of us. >> as usual. john, very quickly, what are you going to do with your super fandom? where is that going to be channelled now? >> i'm going to, you know, it's up for sale. i'm going to shop it around. i don't -- honestly, you know, i don't -- i don't know. i honestly -- it's been 22 years. like i've been a brady fan since before i've been married, and i'm practically a grandfather now. my kids are practically out of college. and i have been a fan of brady before that. i was a producer at abc, you know, this was generations ago. this was generations ago when this all started, so it's going to take a while to figure out the future. >> here you are with your boys or i assume this is you with your boys. it's hard to know who the overgrown middle child is there. i think that's you. with your boys. all right, well, john berman, damien woody, great to talk to you guys. thank you so much. really fun to hear the sadness and the celebration. >> yeah. >> thank you. >> thanks, guys. >> thank you. okay. moving on. vladimir putin is pointing a finger at nato and the west today. the russian president said nato screwed us over and claims russia's security concerns have been ignored. we have the very latest from moscow next. care super ingrediet collagen! olay body wash hydrates to improve skin 3x better, from dry and dull to firm and radiant. with olay body, i feel fearless in my skin. well, well, well. look at you. you mastered the master bath. you created your own style. and you - yes, you! turned a sourdough starter into a sourdough finisher. so when you learn your chronic dry eye is actually caused by reduced tear production due to inflammation you take it on, by talking to your eyecare professional about restasis®... which may help you make more of your own tears with continued use twice a day, every day. restasis® helps increase your eye's natural ability to produce tears, which may be reduced by inflammation due to chronic dry eye. restasis® did not increase tear production in patients using anti-inflammatory eye drops or tear duct plugs. to help avoid eye injury and contamination, do not touch bottle tip to your eye or other surfaces. wait 15 minutes after use before inserting contact lenses. the most common side effect is a temporary burning sensation. ask your eye care professional about restasis®. now to trick out these lights. visit restasis.com to learn more. ♪ (vo) t-mobile for business wants to make this the best year for your business yet. when you switch and bring your own device, we'll pay off your phone up to $800. you can keep your phone. and keep your number. visit your local t-mobile store today. living with diabetes? 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>> reporter: we should take away that he's not backing down, is not giving an inch. he say it's nato that's taken the ground, nato that broke the agreements in 1997 not to expand, nato and the united states that haven't listened to russia's key demands that ukraine can't join nato, that nato needs to go back to 1997 boundaries, that there are missile systems placed in nato territory that are a threat to russia. none of that, he says, has been addressed. indeed, he used some very salty language to describe the way he feels russia has been treated by nato, and i'll just give you the polite version. he said they deceived us. and he played out a scenario that is clearly on his mind and this is the way that he sees it. he said, imagine ukraine joins nato and then ukraine tries to retake crimea, which he said, by the way, is russian, and that's not going to change. of course, the international community knows that he annexed crimea, doesn't recognize it as being russian, but he said, just imagine ukraine tries to take that back when it's a member of nato, then russia would be at war with nato, so he was playing out some of, you know, his real deep-seated concerns here. call this a negotiating position. i mean, this is a guy that's shown up with an army to the negotiation, if you will, and refuses to take the army back off the line, but then at the end, he dead throw that bone out, that diplomatic bone, if you like, by saying that he hoped he could be having face-to-face conversations with president macron of france in the coming days, he's had two phone calls with the french president over the 35s couple days and the kremlin is indicating this could be the path to opening diplomacy. but macron, if he comes to moscow, is going to have to come representing the whole of nato, the united states, and everyone, and that's not a position that the french president appears yet ready to set out on. >> nic robertson in moscow for us, thank you. okay, next, dozens of supporters of donald trump's big election lie are now running to oversee elections in 18 states. what happens if they win? becau. they were the first to be verified by usp, an independent organization that sets strict quality and purity standards. nature made. the #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. ♪ three times the electorlytes and half the sugar. ♪ pedialyte powder packs. feel better fast. dozens of believers of donald trump's big election lie are running to oversee elections. according to a nonprofit called states united action, 21 candidates are running for secretary of state in 18 states. all of them have publicly questioned or disputed the results of the 2020 presidential election. thanks so much for being here. how can people who are not rooted in reality be in charge of safeguarding elections in their states? >> thanks so much for having me and thanks for covering this critical issue that should matter to every american voter. there's a group of politicians in this country who are trying to change the way elections are run. they are trying to change the rules and change the referees so they can change the outcome. when it comes to changing rules, we have seen bills that have been filed across the country that would interfere with the way lelections are run. when we talk about changing the refs, we mean people running to oversee our lelections who don' believe in them. we call them election denidenie. they deny the result offense the election, try to over turn the election, who participated in stop the steal rallies. some attended the rally at the u.s. capitol on january 6th. >> in fact, i know who you're referring to. this is the leading republican contender for secretary of state in arizona. he was at the trump rally on january 6th. he's also afailfiliated with th oath keepers. how is it possible that the person is the leading republican contender to be in charge of overseeing elections? >> that's right. that's mark in arizona. the candidate for secretary of state. unfortunately, what we find in the election denier tracker that we released is that you have two out of three races for governor and secretary of state all across this country where there's an election denier in the race. he's not alone. these are the positions that of see our elections in the country. leks are national event but run by the state. your governor, your state attorney general, your secretary of state. these jobs really matter. >> what happens if these people win? in the battleground states i know you put up the map earlier of what you're tracking. what happens if they win? >> well, these positions are the positions that run our elections. they oversee our elections. there's a lot of room for people to really mess with the system and try to overturn or change the results if they don't like it. that's why every one in this country needs to really pay attention in 2022. look at who is running in your state, locally to oversee your elections. pay attention to what they are saying. this tracker helps give people that kind of information. >> as you know, there's many republican voters who believe donald trump. in congress there's been some failed attempts to reform leks but now there's this bipartisan group of senator who is are working on the electoral count act. is that the solution to stopping this? >> it's been really disappointing to see the failure of the federal voting rights reform so far. i think it really just puts even more of the spotlight on the fact that what really matters, matters most happens at the state level. it's the states that run our elections. it's these key positions that we really have to pay attention to and, you know, that's why i think this kind of research is so important. i al just want to say that this is actually not a partisan issue. this is not about political party. we have people who are being challenged by election denier who is are republicans who spoke out, who told the truth about our election in 2020. who protected the will of american voters, who protected our election and we see this pattern across party lines and as i said we see it all across the country. we need federal reform but our focus states united is on the state and on these key races that will determine the outcome of our elections and whether our votes are counted and protected. >> understood. thank you very much for all the work you're doing. everybody should check out your work and website. we appreciate you trying to sound the alarm. >> thank you so much. covid vaccines could soon be available for the youngest age group. pfizer is expected to seek emergency use authorization from the fda as soon as today to vaccinate children age six months to five years. we'll ask the medical expert about that just ahead. how about a throwback? ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ ♪ ♪ top of the hour. thanks for being with us. >> some break details about another conflict between donald trump and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. >> the senator disagrees with the promise by trump to pardon january 6th rioters, apparently. manu, what do we know? >> i had an exchange with the senate minority leader about what donald trump said in tax rally over the weekend. ral in speaking to his supporters, he suggested he were elected president again, that he would give pardons to the people who came into this building, the u.s. capitol, on january 6th, 2021, ransacked this building, attacked this build an