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are enduring. we're mourning and we're angry. >> this was just not an attack on three brave officers. this was an attack on the city of new york. after the omicron wave, what experts say could come next this year. >> if you're vaccinated, covid does not have to dominate your life. also tonight, a virginia mom charged after threatening a school board with violence if her children were forced to wear masks. >> i will bring every single gun loaded and ready. >> and finally, what we know about arnold schwarzenegger's multivehicle crash friday in los angeles. i'm pamela brown in washington. you are in the "cnn newsroom" with us. right here in washington, d.c. this weekend, intensity fired up gatherings on similar themes. today marks the 49th anniversary of the landmark roe versus wade decision, which made abortions legal in the united states. well, this year, a different mood has fueled the annual gathering of anti-abortion activists in washington. optimism, if not celebration. many of them believe this will be the last year that american women have the constitutional right to choose whether they can get an abortion. >> we may well be on the verge of an era when the supreme court sends roe v. wade to the ash heap of history. and the day will come when the right to life is the law of the land in every state in these united states. >> also here in the nation's capital, a different issue with the contrasting argument, that government should not have the power to make personal medical decisions for you. the city of washington is bracing for tomorrow's rally against vaccine mandates. it's an issue that's equally impassioned and politically charged in a divided america. cnn's suzanne malveaux is here in d.c. this comes just as the city implements new rules about proving you've been vaccinated to get into a lot of businesses like restaurants and gyms. are still officials prepared if people push back on that? >> well, pam, they are certainly trying to be. there is a great deal of anticipation and some concern over the potential for violence this weekend, as all eyes turn to tomorrow's fight over vaccine mandates. it's going to play out here in washington. so, the national park service says various groups opposing vaccine mandates, vaccines, and masks could draw up to 20,000 people at and around this event. so, you have the fbi, department of homeland security, metropolitan and u.s. park police, and others who are helping local businesses prepare for these crowds and possibly confront protesters who might refuse to wear masks indoors or provide vaccination cards or comply with the d.c. rules. now, the protests coincide with this new proof of vaccine requirements for restaurants, bars, gyms, other private businesses here in d.c. u.s. capitol police and montgomery county, maryland's police department are staffing up to arrest those who are noncompliment or who harass employees or -- they've actually held a conference call already with business leaders to prepare for those type of scenarios. now, the u.s. capitol police chief says in a statement, i'm confident in our preparation for this weekend. law enforcement officials say they're also concerned that these protests could attract violent extremist groups. just, for example, they say that friday close to 30 men who appeared to be tied to patriot front, an american nationalist, white supremacist group, showed up outside the national archives. they were surrounded by d.c. police. to ensure that there were no confrontations. now, the organizers of tomorrow's protest called the defeat the mandates, they say they have hired increased private security to work with government law enforcement officials and they put out a statement, as well, saying, "we do not welcome extremist groups on any side that condone racism or bring violence of any kind to the thousands of americans that will be marching peacefully." so, pam, we'll take a look and see what happens tomorrow. >> we hope that everything stays peaceful. that's for sure. suz suzanne, thank you so much. now let's turn to the shifting leylandscape on abortion. a provider of abortion services in texas, a state that passed a law essentially banning abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. doctor, thank you for coming on. how concerned are you that the supreme court will strike down roe v. wade? >> yeah, i'm definitely concerned. roe v. wade has been law of the land for the past 49 years, but after hearing the supreme court hearings with the mississippi case a few weeks ago, and hearing some of the questioning that the judges asked, it really seems like the court is poised to potentially gut roe and we also know that there are 26 states throughout the country that have trigger bans, which, if roe is touched, could automatically go into effect, really, meaning that 26 states throughout the country could ban abortion automatically with a decision from the supreme court. >> so, with the conservative super majority on the supreme court, then, do you think access to apportion will become much more limited and, if so, what do you think that would mean? >> yeah, you know, as a provider of abortion care in texas for the past seven years, we know that roe was the floor, meaning that it's been decades passing restriction after restriction in states in the south and the midwest, where abortion has essentially become meaningless -- abortion act says has become meaningless for so many people and out of reach. and so while roe offers many protections, we know there's still so much more left to do. but this is a time for us to really talk about what abortion access actually means and what not having access will mean for people. and so, i'm really concerned about what the supreme court might do and what that's going to mean for my patients, but i'm also hopeful that we'll begin to have more meaningful conversations and turn the tide. i think when people really understand what accessing abortion means for people, what not having access to abortion actually means, they really begin to understand how meaningful it is and how important it is in people's lives. >> so, what does it mean? >> well, when somebody is pregnant and they decide that they can't be pregnant, these decisions are thought about. they know what's best for them. they know what's best for their futures. they know what's best for their families. oftentimes, the children they already have at home. having these conversations one-on-one with people every single day who decide that they know that they cannot be pregnant, they know these things based on their own lives, which nobody else knows better than themselves. and they're making smart ch choices, smart choices about if they can and want to parent, if they have the ability to, if they have the financial resources, and oftentimes, they recognize that they don't. oftentimes, actually 60% of people who have an abortion already have children at home, meaning they know what it's like to be pregnant, they know what it takes to parent a child and making informed decisions that they know are best for them. and that's what's most important, is holding what a person wants for their body, for their life, for their future, at the center of how i provide care for them. >> are you finding fewer people in texas are coming to you to get abortions because of the restrictive state law? >> certainly. we're seeing fewer people than we used to see. and a lot of the work that we do now is helping people get out of state. and so, we have navigators and care coordinators that are helping people connect with a clinic in a different state. helping them with logistics, with financial resources. one of the main people choose to have an abortion is financial reasons. and one of the biggest problems is financial. and of course, as you mentioned before, this is only texas right now. but if the supreme court were to gut roe and we have 26 states that ban abortion, this would be half of the country, more than half of the country, that would need to scramble and help people get to these abortion haven states. >> i want to show you the cnn poll conducted a few days ago, it shows only 30% of americans support the supreme court overturning roe v. wade. what do you think happens if the court does, indeed, do that, or do you have any other concerns that you haven't expressed thus far? >> yeah, you're absolutely right. the vast majority of americans support access to abortions. there's a guallup poll that shos 80% of americans issupport acce. anyone that tries to take away that access is not in line with what people want and what my patients need, what is safest for them and what is best for them. i'm gravely concerned about what's going to happen to people when they're not able to access abortion on a larger scale. i'm concerned about maternal mo morb morbidity. we know what happens when people don't have access to abortion. people are hurt, they suffer, and people could potentially die. pregnancy is not a benign state. so, i'm very concerned that nonmedical professionals, judges, politicians, are making these decisions that are not what people want, not what americans stand for and are not part of american values. it's not a part of freedom, right? you're taking freedom away from people. you're taking bodily aytonmy away from people and i'm very concerned that this is what our future holds. >> dr. kumar, thank you so much for your opinion and perspective on this important issue on the 49th anniversary of roe v. wade. thank you. >> thanks. breaking tonight, the uk government revealing putin's plot to install a puppet government in ukraine. our international diplomatic editor nic robertson is in moscow with the latest. and then, calling out florida governor ron desantis' latest solution in search of a problem, this time, election police. also ahead, cnn aviation analyst miles o'brien helping us navigate the whiplash from that 5g versus the airlines debacle. if you are confused by it all, don't worry, we're going to help you better understand it. and finally, monkeys on the run. after escaping a wrecked truck. you're in the "cnn newsroom." for strength and energy. woo hoo! ensure, complete balanced nutrition with 27 vitamins and minerals. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. ♪ ♪ ♪ i'm getting vaccinated with prevnar 20. so am i. because i'm at risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. i'm asking about prevnar 20. because there's a chance pneumococcal pneumonia could put me in the hospital. if you're 65 or older you may be at increased risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. prevnar 20 is approved in adults to help prevent infections from 20 strains of the bacteria that cause pneumococcal pneumonia. in just one dose. even if you've already been vaccinated with another pneumonia vaccine, ask your doctor if prevnar 20 could help provide additional protection. don't get prevnar 20 if you've had a severe allergic reaction to the vaccine or its ingredients. adults with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects were pain and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, fatigue, headache, and joint pain. i want to be able to keep my plans. that's why i chose to get vaccinated with prevnar 20. because just one dose can help protect me from pneumococcal pneumonia. ask your doctor or pharmacist about getting vaccinated with prevnar 20 today. ♪ three times the electorlytes and half the sugar. ♪ pedialyte powder packs. feel better fast. i am here because they revolutionized immunotherapy. i am here because they saw how cancer adapts to different oxygen levels and starved it. i am here because they switched off egfr gene mutation and stopped the growth of tumor cells. there's a place that's making one advanced cancer discovery after another for 75 years. i am here... i am here.... because of dana-farber. what we do here changes lives everywhere. i am here. let me tell you... you want to be successful? 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>> well, the reaction from the kremlin is, they're saying that this is -- that the british are making this up, and that they should stop doing this. they should go back to studying their history books what the british are saying is that the kremlin in its consideration whether or not to invade ukraine, which the kremlin says it isn't, but the british government's assessment is that the kremlin is considering invading ukraine and possibly occupying it and if they do that, then they would install a pro-russian government. the former ukrainian mp, pro-russian former mp, who the british government is the person they've picked. cnn has contacted him and he said he's under russian sanctions. his implication is that if he's under russian sanctions, why would russia be picking him to lead the government? but what the british government is saying is that there are other people, as well, as part of the kremlin's plan. they say there are four other former members of the ukrainian government, one of them, a former prime minister, two of them former deputy prime ministers, one of them, a former national security official. and what the british foreign office is saying that these four individuals have been in contact with russian intelligence operatives, the same operatives who are currently planning the invasion of ukraine. and the british foreign secretary has said that this -- and she said this in a statement this evening, she said, the information shines a light on the extent of russian activity designed to subvert ukraine. and it's an insight into kremlin thinking. russia must de-escalate and end the campaign of misinformation and pursue a path of diplomacy. as the uk and our partners said, any russian military incursion into creukraine would be a mass mistake with severe costs. so, this is a very strong statement from the british foreign secretary, and a very precise and strong piece of information from the foreign office. it's not often that the british government releases information like this, tonight they have. >> right, i mean, that's what is so stunning about this one british security source i spoke with that said, this was strategic to release this information, to put russia on notice, let them know, we know what you're up to, trying to stay one foot ahead, as this source said. and you have these developments, nic, russia having about 100,000 troops deployed near the ukraine border, now this report about moscow putting together what would essentially be a puppet government for ukraine. what do these huge developments mean together? does it tell you that something could be imminent? >> well, certainly what the british and american assessment at the moment is is that what is imminent for president putin is a decision. is a decision on how to move forward. if he's going to continue on a path of diplomacy or is going to move to other tactics. the russian government says they're not going to invade ukraine. there's belief that he could use paramilitary tactics, you know, from pro-russian supporters in the eastern side of ukraine. he could use cyber attacks on ukraine. but these are all different options. and as he's considering these, british government, u.s. government, and other nato allies, are trying to essentially put -- put president putin on notice that the cost of any incursion is high, that they know what he's doing, or they have an assessment of what he's doing doing. and they are trying to get that information in the public domain in russia, so the russian people know what the kremlin is doing at the moment. so, it's all designed to interrupt president putin's thinking and try to get a course correction, a de-escalation from the russian government. >> the united states and other nato allies have begun send what's called lethal aid to ukraine, including ammunition and anti-tank weapons. what is the response to this from moscow? could this end up provoking moscow and escalating the crisis even more potentially? >> you know, it's certainly going to sharpen the thinking. as military aid goes into the ukrainian military, and we know that stinger missiles have been sent by lithuania, estonia sending javelin mistles. the czech government is sending ammunition for artillery, the german military sending military field hospitals. as all of this equipment begins to arrive in ukraine, it ups the stakes, should russia choose to invade ukraine. it ups the stakes and makes a potential conflict more harder and politically costly for president putin. so, you know, this could bring a move from the russian government forward and it could make them take a course correction. that's the intent, to have a de-escalation overall and a course correction. >> all right, nic robertson in moscow. thank you for bringing us the latest. 4:21 a.m. there in moscow. thank you, nic. florida's governor wants the state to create an election police force. michael eric dyson joining me up next.your p hone up to $800. you can keep your phone. and keep your number. visit your local t-mobile store today. oh, man that is wrinkly. like, not even just a little wrinkly, that's a whole lot of wrinkly. i've got wrinkles on top of wrinkles! at least my shoes look good! help prevent wrinkles in the dryer with bounce wrinkleguard, the megasheet with three times the wrinkle fighting ingredients. if i go to sleep right now, i can get more.... four hours. that's not good. what is time? 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well, you can just ask desantis himself. >> the way florida did it, i think, inspires confidence, i think that's how elections should be run. we're now being looked at as the state that did it right and the state that these other states should 'emulate. >> that was november 2020. does that sound like a governor so concerned about election integrity that he needs a new office to combat the problem? opponents say it's about much more than that. >> for the governor to double down on these efforts now, when there was no evidence of voter fraud or election fraud during the 2020 election, suggests to me that this also is politically motivated. >> politically motivated. it is no secret, desantis is weighing a 2024 presidential run, but this brings political pandering to a whole new level. and in georgia, former gop senator turned candidate for governor david purdue is following suit. promising to make his own election police force if he wins. it's only a matter of time before other republican-led states join in, too, but let's be clear. purdue and desantis claim this is about protecting election integrity, but it would really do is erode what little trust there is left in our democracy. and joining me now to discuss is professor of african american studies at vanderbilt university, michael eric dyson. his new book is called "enter "entertaining race." you've studied voter suppression for years. give us your reaction to this push for election police forces. >> as you stated it, ms. brown, this would discourage legitimate voters from coming to the polls, black voters, poor voters, poor white voters, elderly voters, are already subject to arbitrary forms of, you know, kind of lockdown, when it comes to voting. being misled by robo-calls. having i.d. laws stringently applied. you can have an i.d. for a gun and you can register or it be accepted to vote, but not if you have one for snap or one for a student i.d. so, we know that the targeting of communities of color, of poor communities, of younger populations, is what the ultimate goal here is, and if the governor said that florida was the cheexemplary state, the paradigm of reasonable voting and legitimate voting, why now all of a sudden, without an outbreak of voter fraud here? as you've said, 75 cases referred to the police out of 18 million votes? that's an extraordinary record and one to be commended. and so, what we know here is that voter suppression is afoot that the republicans have introduced laws in 48 state legislatures and some 400 bills, to, in one way or another, suppress the vote of people of color, of poor people, of elderly people, and it wreaks of fascist retaliation against the fact that these people have turned out in record numbers to vote. why don't the republicans want more votes , not less? more people involved, not less? if you are invested in making america the best that it can be, then we want every vote to count. >> do you see similarities between this and some of the suppression tactics used against african americans during jim crow? >> there is no doubt about it. think about policemen on horses, riding rough shod over vulnerable populations. think about police dogs ripping at the flesh of black people. think about jelly bean tests, think about poll tests, think about literacy tests. all of these were deployed to try to prevent black people from exercising their vote and leverage at the polls. and so, i -- there's a striking similarity and a dangerous one, between what went on in the '50s and '60s in this country and what's going on today in the name of expanded democracy and attacks against voter fraud. >> it is true, though, that there is a problem with trust in the system among republicans. just 13% say they are very confident in our election system and the majority say they believe trump won the election. desantis says, this is about increasing their confidence in the system. what do you say to that argument? >> yeah, that's not true. first of all, it is a shame and atrocious that 13% of republicans believe that the election was stolen. this is the trumpeting of a trump who refuses to accept the fact that he lost fair and square. so, the big lie has been amplified in states even that mr. trump went after, when you think about arizona or georgia or even in pennsylvania. these republican strongholds, at least in terms of the officials there, said no, we are not the ones who engaged in suppression and that the vote couldn't be trusted. but here we find out, as soon as the votes have been certified and democracy took place in a reasonable fashion, they turn around to introduce laws that will -- that will powerfully suppress the vote of african american people. and we know, for instance, among many republicans, they have the same outlook that mitch mcconnell does. he said that african americans vote in the same numbers that americans do. wait a minute. when we were part of a different nation? when were black people part of an other congregation of voices who were outside of the precincts and providence of american democracy? we know that there's a sense of black people as the other and these strategies deployed by republicans reveal their beliefs, essentially, about black citizenship not being legitimate. >> mitch mcconnell made that comment wednesday, he came out friday, two days later, to directly address the mistake, saying it was inned a verve tent, but nonetheless, michael eric die zone, thank you for coming on and sharing your really important perspective on this topic. >> thank you so kindly. >> and be sure to join jim acosta as he hosts "democracy in peril" at 9:00 eastern all week on cnn. breaking news just into the "cnn newsroom." president biden meeting with his national security team as we learn more about russia's aggressive actions towards ukraine. cnn's about lrlette saenz is at white house. >> reporter: president biden convened a meeting with his national security team at camp david today to discuss russia's aggress i actions. joining him in person was the national security adviser jake sullivan and other members of the national security team joining virtually. now, the white house released a readout of this meeting, saying that the president was briefed on russia's military actions, as well as those diplomatic efforts to encourage russia to de-escalate this situation regarding ukraine. additionally, the white house readout says there was discussion of the deterrence measures that both the u.s. and allies are putting into place at this moment. and that includes ongoing deliveries of security assistance. now, an important line at the very end of it was, president biden also making clear, they said, again affirmed that should russia further invade eweukrain the united states will impose consequences on russia with our allies and partners. of course, right now, the rust is u.s. is trying to de-escalate this situation diplomatically. but they are putting con tingeny measures in place. you saw the assistance delivered to ukraine in the past 24 hours. the white house and top officials are also drafting these options of what the u.s. would do if russia actually follows through with an invasion. that includes those severe economic sanctions, as well as the pentagon drafting up options for what military steps the u.s. could take in the eastern european nato countries. but right now, the white house is trying to show that they are keeping thispriority, as the president is trying to navigate this very tricky and tense situation when it comes to russia and ukraine. >> arlette saenz, thank you. some are calling it a doomsday scenario. a high tech warning that a new 5g wireless network could interview with equipment that helps airplanes land. the airlines say the threat is over, but cell phone companies are not so sure. cnn aviation analyst miles o'brien joins me next. we're going to look at all sides. we can help actively repair enamel in its weakened state. it's innovative. my go to toothpaste is going to be pronamel repair. on fanduel sportsbook, new customers can bet 30-to-1 odds on any team in the playoffs. so you can make every catch feel like the catch of a lifetime. bet 30-to-1 odds on any team to win their playoff game. bet $5 to win $150. only on fanduel, america's number one sportsbook. 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ground. they are critical when visibility is poor. this week, both verizon and at&t, the owner of cnn's parent company, said they would deplay some 5g deployments around airports. cnn aviation analyst miles o'brien joins me now. good to see you, miles. i have to admit, i have found just all the back and forth, like, really confusing. so, i'm glad you're on the show to help us understand what this is all about, what the latest is, but first, i'm going to listen to the president of emirates airlines about the chaos of this past week. >> this is one of the most delinquent, utterly irresponsible issues, call it what you like, that i've seen in my aviation career. somebody should have told them a long time ago that it would compromise safety of operation of aircraft in metropolitan areas with catastrophic conse consequences, if this was allowed to continue. i think that message got through at a very, very late stage and that is why you see the susp suspension. >> and i want to just note, i missed pronounced, it's altimeter. so, 5g has been rolled out at other european airports safely, so, why are airlines so worried about 5g here in the u.s.? help us better understand this. >> well, pamela, the problem is, the 5g frequency band, the c-band which these 5g bands operate in. the radar altimeter is an extremely important device. it is used by pilots to get precise data on the relative height of the aircraft to the ground as it gets closer to the ground. particularly crucial in the midst of a low visibility or zero visibility landi ing scenao so, if the radar altimeter is not operating well, you have a problem. now, the c-band 5g is supposed to be next door with a buffer zone from this band of frequency, but frequencies have a way of getting out of their lane so, it's important you have specific filters on the device, the altimeters, to block out any stray frequencies. and the problem is, the altimeters that are in the fleet, not all of them have been checked out and the cellular industry was discounting the concerns that the aviation industry was bringing forth and decided to charge forward with their attempt to build these towers right near airports. and so, you had really kind of this slow motion plane wreck, if you will, which, fortunately, was averted. >> so, tell us about the smaller regional air carriers and why they were particularly worried about this. >> well, their radar altimeters aren't passing the grade as much. it's, you know, it's a complicated device and the more sophisticated bigger, newer aircraft have more filters and more capability for making sure they have laser beam focus on the bandwidth they're interested in and not what's next door. some of the older radar altimeters, built at a time when there was no contemplation of 5g and the c-band frequencies, don't have quite the filtering systems. so, the concern is, they may not be able to separate the important signal from the stray signal. and that's why they haven't been cleared for flight yet. >> so, the rollout of 5g by phone companies, it has not been a secret, it was delayed twice in the past few months, just to help the faa get ready. in your view, who deserves the blame for this mess? cell phone companies, airlines, government, all of the above? what's your view? >> well, you know, i -- i'm going to have to point the finger at an abject lack of leadership on the part of the federal government. you have two agencies that represent various industries, the, you know, cellular radio communication industry and the airline striate. they are kind of equal players in their own realms and when there is a conflict between the two, this is supposed to be sorted out at the executive level, but that didn't happen. and for whatever reason, this got kicked down -- the can got kicked down the corridor, a game of chicken was played, the cellular companies didn't want to pay for modifying their transmitters or aiming their antennas differently or turning off some of them and the airline industry was concerned about the cost of upgrading their fleet to make she safe. and no neither did anything and it came down to this absolute disaster, fortunately averted by a compromise, but it certainly could have been avoided with a scant amount of leadership. >> a scant -- wow. miles o'brien, thank you. good to see you. >> you're welcome, pamela. scientists have made an amazing discovery in what's called the ocean's twilight zone. a pristine coral reef seemingly uneffected by climate change. what it could mean for the future of our planet, up next. the guest bedroom slash music studio. the daybed slash dog bed. the living room slash yoga shanti slash regional office slash classroom. and this is the basement slash panic room. maybe what your family needs is a vacation home slash vacation home. find yours on the vrbo app. ♪ some of my best memories growing up, were cooking with mom. she always said, “food is love.” so when she moved in with us, a new kitchen became 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are enduring. we're mourning and we're angry. >> this was just not an attack on three brave officers. this was an attack on the city of new york. after the omicron wave, what experts say could come next this year. >> if you're vaccinated, covid does not have to dominate your life. also tonight, a virginia mom charged after threatening a school board with violence if her children were forced to wear masks. >> i will bring every single gun loaded and ready. >> and finally, what we know about arnold schwarzenegger's multivehicle crash friday in los angeles. i'm pamela brown in washington. you are in the "cnn newsroom" with us. right here in washington, d.c. this weekend, intensity fired up gatherings on similar themes. today marks the 49th anniversary of the landmark roe versus wade decision, which made abortions legal in the united states. well, this year, a different mood has fueled the annual gathering of anti-abortion activists in washington. optimism, if not celebration. many of them believe this will be the last year that american women have the constitutional right to choose whether they can get an abortion. >> we may well be on the verge of an era when the supreme court sends roe v. wade to the ash heap of history. and the day will come when the right to life is the law of the land in every state in these united states. >> also here in the nation's capital, a different issue with the contrasting argument, that government should not have the power to make personal medical decisions for you. the city of washington is bracing for tomorrow's rally against vaccine mandates. it's an issue that's equally impassioned and politically charged in a divided america. cnn's suzanne malveaux is here in d.c. this comes just as the city implements new rules about proving you've been vaccinated to get into a lot of businesses like restaurants and gyms. are still officials prepared if people push back on that? >> well, pam, they are certainly trying to be. there is a great deal of anticipation and some concern over the potential for violence this weekend, as all eyes turn to tomorrow's fight over vaccine mandates. it's going to play out here in washington. so, the national park service says various groups opposing vaccine mandates, vaccines, and masks could draw up to 20,000 people at and around this event. so, you have the fbi, department of homeland security, metropolitan and u.s. park police, and others who are helping local businesses prepare for these crowds and possibly confront protesters who might refuse to wear masks indoors or provide vaccination cards or comply with the d.c. rules. now, the protests coincide with this new proof of vaccine requirements for restaurants, bars, gyms, other private businesses here in d.c. u.s. capitol police and montgomery county, maryland's police department are staffing up to arrest those who are noncompliment or who harass employees or -- they've actually held a conference call already with business leaders to prepare for those type of scenarios. now, the u.s. capitol police chief says in a statement, i'm confident in our preparation for this weekend. law enforcement officials say they're also concerned that these protests could attract violent extremist groups. just, for example, they say that friday close to 30 men who appeared to be tied to patriot front, an american nationalist, white supremacist group, showed up outside the national archives. they were surrounded by d.c. police. to ensure that there were no confrontations. now, the organizers of tomorrow's protest called the defeat the mandates, they say they have hired increased private security to work with government law enforcement officials and they put out a statement, as well, saying, "we do not welcome extremist groups on any side that condone racism or bring violence of any kind to the thousands of americans that will be marching peacefully." so, pam, we'll take a look and see what happens tomorrow. >> we hope that everything stays peaceful. that's for sure. suz suzanne, thank you so much. now let's turn to the shifting leylandscape on abortion. a provider of abortion services in texas, a state that passed a law essentially banning abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. doctor, thank you for coming on. how concerned are you that the supreme court will strike down roe v. wade? >> yeah, i'm definitely concerned. roe v. wade has been law of the land for the past 49 years, but after hearing the supreme court hearings with the mississippi case a few weeks ago, and hearing some of the questioning that the judges asked, it really seems like the court is poised to potentially gut roe and we also know that there are 26 states throughout the country that have trigger bans, which, if roe is touched, could automatically go into effect, really, meaning that 26 states throughout the country could ban abortion automatically with a decision from the supreme court. >> so, with the conservative super majority on the supreme court, then, do you think access to apportion will become much more limited and, if so, what do you think that would mean? >> yeah, you know, as a provider of abortion care in texas for the past seven years, we know that roe was the floor, meaning that it's been decades passing restriction after restriction in states in the south and the midwest, where abortion has essentially become meaningless -- abortion act says has become meaningless for so many people and out of reach. and so while roe offers many protections, we know there's still so much more left to do. but this is a time for us to really talk about what abortion access actually means and what not having access will mean for people. and so, i'm really concerned about what the supreme court might do and what that's going to mean for my patients, but i'm also hopeful that we'll begin to have more meaningful conversations and turn the tide. i think when people really understand what accessing abortion means for people, what not having access to abortion actually means, they really begin to understand how meaningful it is and how important it is in people's lives. >> so, what does it mean? >> well, when somebody is pregnant and they decide that they can't be pregnant, these decisions are thought about. they know what's best for them. they know what's best for their futures. they know what's best for their families. oftentimes, the children they already have at home. having these conversations one-on-one with people every single day who decide that they know that they cannot be pregnant, they know these things based on their own lives, which nobody else knows better than themselves. and they're making smart ch choices, smart choices about if they can and want to parent, if they have the ability to, if they have the financial resources, and oftentimes, they recognize that they don't. oftentimes, actually 60% of people who have an abortion already have children at home, meaning they know what it's like to be pregnant, they know what it takes to parent a child and making informed decisions that they know are best for them. and that's what's most important, is holding what a person wants for their body, for their life, for their future, at the center of how i provide care for them. >> are you finding fewer people in texas are coming to you to get abortions because of the restrictive state law? >> certainly. we're seeing fewer people than we used to see. and a lot of the work that we do now is helping people get out of state. and so, we have navigators and care coordinators that are helping people connect with a clinic in a different state. helping them with logistics, with financial resources. one of the main people choose to have an abortion is financial reasons. and one of the biggest problems is financial. and of course, as you mentioned before, this is only texas right now. but if the supreme court were to gut roe and we have 26 states that ban abortion, this would be half of the country, more than half of the country, that would need to scramble and help people get to these abortion haven states. >> i want to show you the cnn poll conducted a few days ago, it shows only 30% of americans support the supreme court overturning roe v. wade. what do you think happens if the court does, indeed, do that, or do you have any other concerns that you haven't expressed thus far? >> yeah, you're absolutely right. the vast majority of americans support access to abortions. there's a guallup poll that shos 80% of americans issupport acce. anyone that tries to take away that access is not in line with what people want and what my patients need, what is safest for them and what is best for them. i'm gravely concerned about what's going to happen to people when they're not able to access abortion on a larger scale. i'm concerned about maternal mo morb morbidity. we know what happens when people don't have access to abortion. people are hurt, they suffer, and people could potentially die. pregnancy is not a benign state. so, i'm very concerned that nonmedical professionals, judges, politicians, are making these decisions that are not what people want, not what americans stand for and are not part of american values. it's not a part of freedom, right? you're taking freedom away from people. you're taking bodily aytonmy away from people and i'm very concerned that this is what our future holds. >> dr. kumar, thank you so much for your opinion and perspective on this important issue on the 49th anniversary of roe v. wade. thank you. >> thanks. breaking tonight, the uk government revealing putin's plot to install a puppet government in ukraine. our international diplomatic editor nic robertson is in moscow with the latest. and then, calling out florida governor ron desantis' latest solution in search of a problem, this time, election police. also ahead, cnn aviation analyst miles o'brien helping us navigate the whiplash from that 5g versus the airlines debacle. if you are confused by it all, don't worry, we're going to help you better understand it. and finally, monkeys on the run. after escaping a wrecked truck. you're in the "cnn newsroom." for strength and energy. woo hoo! ensure, complete balanced nutrition with 27 vitamins and minerals. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. ♪ ♪ ♪ i'm getting vaccinated with prevnar 20. so am i. because i'm at risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. i'm asking about prevnar 20. because there's a chance pneumococcal pneumonia could put me in the hospital. if you're 65 or older you may be at increased risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. prevnar 20 is approved in adults to help prevent infections from 20 strains of the bacteria that cause pneumococcal pneumonia. in just one dose. even if you've already been vaccinated with another pneumonia vaccine, ask your doctor if prevnar 20 could help provide additional protection. don't get prevnar 20 if you've had a severe allergic reaction to the vaccine or its ingredients. adults with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects were pain and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, fatigue, headache, and joint pain. i want to be able to keep my plans. that's why i chose to get vaccinated with prevnar 20. because just one dose can help protect me from pneumococcal pneumonia. ask your doctor or pharmacist about getting vaccinated with prevnar 20 today. ♪ three times the electorlytes and half the sugar. ♪ pedialyte powder packs. feel better fast. i am here because they revolutionized immunotherapy. i am here because they saw how cancer adapts to different oxygen levels and starved it. i am here because they switched off egfr gene mutation and stopped the growth of tumor cells. there's a place that's making one advanced cancer discovery after another for 75 years. i am here... i am here.... because of dana-farber. what we do here changes lives everywhere. i am here. let me tell you... you want to be successful? 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>> well, the reaction from the kremlin is, they're saying that this is -- that the british are making this up, and that they should stop doing this. they should go back to studying their history books what the british are saying is that the kremlin in its consideration whether or not to invade ukraine, which the kremlin says it isn't, but the british government's assessment is that the kremlin is considering invading ukraine and possibly occupying it and if they do that, then they would install a pro-russian government. the former ukrainian mp, pro-russian former mp, who the british government is the person they've picked. cnn has contacted him and he said he's under russian sanctions. his implication is that if he's under russian sanctions, why would russia be picking him to lead the government? but what the british government is saying is that there are other people, as well, as part of the kremlin's plan. they say there are four other former members of the ukrainian government, one of them, a former prime minister, two of them former deputy prime ministers, one of them, a former national security official. and what the british foreign office is saying that these four individuals have been in contact with russian intelligence operatives, the same operatives who are currently planning the invasion of ukraine. and the british foreign secretary has said that this -- and she said this in a statement this evening, she said, the information shines a light on the extent of russian activity designed to subvert ukraine. and it's an insight into kremlin thinking. russia must de-escalate and end the campaign of misinformation and pursue a path of diplomacy. as the uk and our partners said, any russian military incursion into creukraine would be a mass mistake with severe costs. so, this is a very strong statement from the british foreign secretary, and a very precise and strong piece of information from the foreign office. it's not often that the british government releases information like this, tonight they have. >> right, i mean, that's what is so stunning about this one british security source i spoke with that said, this was strategic to release this information, to put russia on notice, let them know, we know what you're up to, trying to stay one foot ahead, as this source said. and you have these developments, nic, russia having about 100,000 troops deployed near the ukraine border, now this report about moscow putting together what would essentially be a puppet government for ukraine. what do these huge developments mean together? does it tell you that something could be imminent? >> well, certainly what the british and american assessment at the moment is is that what is imminent for president putin is a decision. is a decision on how to move forward. if he's going to continue on a path of diplomacy or is going to move to other tactics. the russian government says they're not going to invade ukraine. there's belief that he could use paramilitary tactics, you know, from pro-russian supporters in the eastern side of ukraine. he could use cyber attacks on ukraine. but these are all different options. and as he's considering these, british government, u.s. government, and other nato allies, are trying to essentially put -- put president putin on notice that the cost of any incursion is high, that they know what he's doing, or they have an assessment of what he's doing doing. and they are trying to get that information in the public domain in russia, so the russian people know what the kremlin is doing at the moment. so, it's all designed to interrupt president putin's thinking and try to get a course correction, a de-escalation from the russian government. >> the united states and other nato allies have begun send what's called lethal aid to ukraine, including ammunition and anti-tank weapons. what is the response to this from moscow? could this end up provoking moscow and escalating the crisis even more potentially? >> you know, it's certainly going to sharpen the thinking. as military aid goes into the ukrainian military, and we know that stinger missiles have been sent by lithuania, estonia sending javelin mistles. the czech government is sending ammunition for artillery, the german military sending military field hospitals. as all of this equipment begins to arrive in ukraine, it ups the stakes, should russia choose to invade ukraine. it ups the stakes and makes a potential conflict more harder and politically costly for president putin. so, you know, this could bring a move from the russian government forward and it could make them take a course correction. that's the intent, to have a de-escalation overall and a course correction. >> all right, nic robertson in moscow. thank you for bringing us the latest. 4:21 a.m. there in moscow. thank you, nic. florida's governor wants the state to create an election police force. michael eric dyson joining me up next.your p hone up to $800. you can keep your phone. and keep your number. visit your local t-mobile store today. oh, man that is wrinkly. like, not even just a little wrinkly, that's a whole lot of wrinkly. i've got wrinkles on top of wrinkles! at least my shoes look good! help prevent wrinkles in the dryer with bounce wrinkleguard, the megasheet with three times the wrinkle fighting ingredients. if i go to sleep right now, i can get more.... four hours. that's not good. what is time? 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well, you can just ask desantis himself. >> the way florida did it, i think, inspires confidence, i think that's how elections should be run. we're now being looked at as the state that did it right and the state that these other states should 'emulate. >> that was november 2020. does that sound like a governor so concerned about election integrity that he needs a new office to combat the problem? opponents say it's about much more than that. >> for the governor to double down on these efforts now, when there was no evidence of voter fraud or election fraud during the 2020 election, suggests to me that this also is politically motivated. >> politically motivated. it is no secret, desantis is weighing a 2024 presidential run, but this brings political pandering to a whole new level. and in georgia, former gop senator turned candidate for governor david purdue is following suit. promising to make his own election police force if he wins. it's only a matter of time before other republican-led states join in, too, but let's be clear. purdue and desantis claim this is about protecting election integrity, but it would really do is erode what little trust there is left in our democracy. and joining me now to discuss is professor of african american studies at vanderbilt university, michael eric dyson. his new book is called "enter "entertaining race." you've studied voter suppression for years. give us your reaction to this push for election police forces. >> as you stated it, ms. brown, this would discourage legitimate voters from coming to the polls, black voters, poor voters, poor white voters, elderly voters, are already subject to arbitrary forms of, you know, kind of lockdown, when it comes to voting. being misled by robo-calls. having i.d. laws stringently applied. you can have an i.d. for a gun and you can register or it be accepted to vote, but not if you have one for snap or one for a student i.d. so, we know that the targeting of communities of color, of poor communities, of younger populations, is what the ultimate goal here is, and if the governor said that florida was the cheexemplary state, the paradigm of reasonable voting and legitimate voting, why now all of a sudden, without an outbreak of voter fraud here? as you've said, 75 cases referred to the police out of 18 million votes? that's an extraordinary record and one to be commended. and so, what we know here is that voter suppression is afoot that the republicans have introduced laws in 48 state legislatures and some 400 bills, to, in one way or another, suppress the vote of people of color, of poor people, of elderly people, and it wreaks of fascist retaliation against the fact that these people have turned out in record numbers to vote. why don't the republicans want more votes , not less? more people involved, not less? if you are invested in making america the best that it can be, then we want every vote to count. >> do you see similarities between this and some of the suppression tactics used against african americans during jim crow? >> there is no doubt about it. think about policemen on horses, riding rough shod over vulnerable populations. think about police dogs ripping at the flesh of black people. think about jelly bean tests, think about poll tests, think about literacy tests. all of these were deployed to try to prevent black people from exercising their vote and leverage at the polls. and so, i -- there's a striking similarity and a dangerous one, between what went on in the '50s and '60s in this country and what's going on today in the name of expanded democracy and attacks against voter fraud. >> it is true, though, that there is a problem with trust in the system among republicans. just 13% say they are very confident in our election system and the majority say they believe trump won the election. desantis says, this is about increasing their confidence in the system. what do you say to that argument? >> yeah, that's not true. first of all, it is a shame and atrocious that 13% of republicans believe that the election was stolen. this is the trumpeting of a trump who refuses to accept the fact that he lost fair and square. so, the big lie has been amplified in states even that mr. trump went after, when you think about arizona or georgia or even in pennsylvania. these republican strongholds, at least in terms of the officials there, said no, we are not the ones who engaged in suppression and that the vote couldn't be trusted. but here we find out, as soon as the votes have been certified and democracy took place in a reasonable fashion, they turn around to introduce laws that will -- that will powerfully suppress the vote of african american people. and we know, for instance, among many republicans, they have the same outlook that mitch mcconnell does. he said that african americans vote in the same numbers that americans do. wait a minute. when we were part of a different nation? when were black people part of an other congregation of voices who were outside of the precincts and providence of american democracy? we know that there's a sense of black people as the other and these strategies deployed by republicans reveal their beliefs, essentially, about black citizenship not being legitimate. >> mitch mcconnell made that comment wednesday, he came out friday, two days later, to directly address the mistake, saying it was inned a verve tent, but nonetheless, michael eric die zone, thank you for coming on and sharing your really important perspective on this topic. >> thank you so kindly. >> and be sure to join jim acosta as he hosts "democracy in peril" at 9:00 eastern all week on cnn. breaking news just into the "cnn newsroom." president biden meeting with his national security team as we learn more about russia's aggressive actions towards ukraine. cnn's about lrlette saenz is at white house. >> reporter: president biden convened a meeting with his national security team at camp david today to discuss russia's aggress i actions. joining him in person was the national security adviser jake sullivan and other members of the national security team joining virtually. now, the white house released a readout of this meeting, saying that the president was briefed on russia's military actions, as well as those diplomatic efforts to encourage russia to de-escalate this situation regarding ukraine. additionally, the white house readout says there was discussion of the deterrence measures that both the u.s. and allies are putting into place at this moment. and that includes ongoing deliveries of security assistance. now, an important line at the very end of it was, president biden also making clear, they said, again affirmed that should russia further invade eweukrain the united states will impose consequences on russia with our allies and partners. of course, right now, the rust is u.s. is trying to de-escalate this situation diplomatically. but they are putting con tingeny measures in place. you saw the assistance delivered to ukraine in the past 24 hours. the white house and top officials are also drafting these options of what the u.s. would do if russia actually follows through with an invasion. that includes those severe economic sanctions, as well as the pentagon drafting up options for what military steps the u.s. could take in the eastern european nato countries. but right now, the white house is trying to show that they are keeping thispriority, as the president is trying to navigate this very tricky and tense situation when it comes to russia and ukraine. >> arlette saenz, thank you. some are calling it a doomsday scenario. a high tech warning that a new 5g wireless network could interview with equipment that helps airplanes land. the airlines say the threat is over, but cell phone companies are not so sure. cnn aviation analyst miles o'brien joins me next. we're going to look at all sides. we can help actively repair enamel in its weakened state. it's innovative. my go to toothpaste is going to be pronamel repair. on fanduel sportsbook, new customers can bet 30-to-1 odds on any team in the playoffs. so you can make every catch feel like the catch of a lifetime. bet 30-to-1 odds on any team to win their playoff game. bet $5 to win $150. only on fanduel, america's number one sportsbook. 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missed pronounced, it's altimeter. so, 5g has been rolled out at other european airports safely, so, why are airlines so worried about 5g here in the u.s.? help us better understand this. >> well, pamela, the problem is, the 5g frequency band, the c-band which these 5g bands operate in. the radar altimeter is an extremely important device. it is used by pilots to get precise data on the relative height of the aircraft to the ground as it gets closer to the ground. particularly crucial in the midst of a low visibility or zero visibility landi ing scenao so, if the radar altimeter is not operating well, you have a problem. now, the c-band 5g is supposed to be next door with a buffer zone from this band of frequency, but frequencies have a way of getting out of their lane so, it's important you have specific filters on the device, the altimeters, to block out any stray frequencies. and the problem is, the altimeters that are in the fleet, not all of them have been checked out and the cellular industry was discounting the concerns that the aviation industry was bringing forth and decided to charge forward with their attempt to build these towers right near airports. and so, you had really kind of this slow motion plane wreck, if you will, which, fortunately, was averted. >> so, tell us about the smaller regional air carriers and why they were particularly worried about this. >> well, their radar altimeters aren't passing the grade as much. it's, you know, it's a complicated device and the more sophisticated bigger, newer aircraft have more filters and more capability for making sure they have laser beam focus on the bandwidth they're interested in and not what's next door. some of the older radar altimeters, built at a time when there was no contemplation of 5g and the c-band frequencies, don't have quite the filtering systems. so, the concern is, they may not be able to separate the important signal from the stray signal. and that's why they haven't been cleared for flight yet. >> so, the rollout of 5g by phone companies, it has not been a secret, it was delayed twice in the past few months, just to help the faa get ready. in your view, who deserves the blame for this mess? cell phone companies, airlines, government, all of the above? what's your view? >> well, you know, i -- i'm going to have to point the finger at an abject lack of leadership on the part of the federal government. you have two agencies that represent various industries, the, you know, cellular radio communication industry and the airline striate. they are kind of equal players in their own realms and when there is a conflict between the two, this is supposed to be sorted out at the executive level, but that didn't happen. and for whatever reason, this got kicked down -- the can got kicked down the corridor, a game of chicken was played, the cellular companies didn't want to pay for modifying their transmitters or aiming their antennas differently or turning off some of them 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