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a stalled agenda, president biden set to hold a news conference tomorrow marking one year in office as voting rights and his economic plan look dead in the water. and with covid and inflation on the rise. a slew of subpoenas. the january 6th committee getting closer to the former president, issuing subpoenas for the phone records of eric trump and kimberly guilfoyle and separately sending subpoenas to rudy giuliani and three other trump associates. also an american pro basketball player hit with a racial slur in china. >> [ bleep ]. get out of china! >> how will american athletes be treated at the winter olympics in beijing, which begin in less than three weeks. let's discuss all of the news now. i want to begin with senior analyst ron brownstein, senior adviser to the lincoln project stuart stevens. ron, president biden is about to mark one year in office. covid relief, he got infrastructure, but now his signature social spending package is stalled. two senate democrats, 50 republicans have torpedoed any attempt at voting rights legislation. is this the worst place he could be with midterms around the corner? >> yeah, he's in a weak position. look, i think the key for biden both in 2022, which is going to be tough for democrats in all likelihood and beyond 2022, primarily is a question of current conditions in the country. certainly there are lots of democratic activists and people who voted for him who are deeply disappointed about the legislative failures, and that frustration is going to skyrocket understandably if, in fact, manchin and sinema continue to block action on voting rights. but for the mass of the country, the real issue is covid and the price of gas and groceries. and if biden is going to recover in time to affect the midterm and even perhaps more pointedly to improve his position for 2024, he needs conditions in the country to recover. that's the key, i think, of his current position. >> well, okay. but democrats are creating all of this drama around a vote that will fail. we know that. >> yes. >> do you think democrats' strategy -- do you understand it right now? >> yeah, i think i do. i mean, look, i think that -- first of all, they have to be seen as going to every possible length to try to pass this, both because it is so important to so many key constituencies within the party but also because it's just so important. if manchin and sinema hold to their position and prevent democrats from acting here, in effect requiring a bipartisan super majority that gives republicans a veto, as i've said before, there is nothing but clear road ahead for red states to steadily tighten the tourniquet on voting throughout this decade because the supreme court, far from restricting what they are doing, really is the one who fired the starter's gun for all of this to happen with john roberts' decisions on voting rights over the last decade. so that's the first point. they have to do it. they have to signal they are doing everything they can. but i also think, don, they are creating a new norm in the party. i do believe that joe manchin and kyrsten sinema are the last two elected democratic senators who will ever support maintaining the filibuster for at least voting rights and maybe for quite a bit beyond that, including abortion rights and other constitutional rights. and i think this process is very clearly demonstrating how isolated they are in the party. you saw today ten former centrist and even center-right senate democrats, people like mary landrieu and i think blanche lincoln and doug jones came out for reforming the filibuster to pass voting rights. so i think this process has established a new norm in the party that is going to leave these two as very distinct outliers and probably the last of their kind. >> stuart, i want to hear from you and i want to know do you think democrats are going to end up being happy that the filibuster was preserved if the house and the senate end up in republican hands, which is a very strong possibility? >> no. i think ron's analysis is pretty dead-on about the historical moment of where we are with where the filibuster is in relationship to voting rights. you know, sometimes you don't get into fights because you think you're going to win. you get into fights because it's important to fight. and i know it's difficult, but if you step back from where we were a year ago, i mean we're in much better shape economically. unemployment is under, what, 4% now? dow is over 36,000, and these macro-economic things, the country is moving forward. but i don't think that we can really have it both ways. i don't think those of us who believe that the country is in a crisis, which i do and i think a lot of other people agree with me, and think there's some easy path out of this. i think that we're at the worst moment in the country as far as being divided since 1860. so there's not a simple path forward. all you can do is fight every day, and i think the biden administration understands that. >> so you think it's just -- you don't believe -- do you think it's a false narrative out about the biden administration? you think the country is actually in a better place than the narrative that's being put out, especially -- mainly from conservative media? >> well, look, i mean when you work in politics, you acknowledge there's lots of different narratives out there. you know, that's how a guy like bill clinton is in third place in may of the year that he gets elected president. that's how george bush is at, what, 90% popularity and loses nine months later. people are constantly dealing with different pressures in their lives. i think the overall tone of this country is being set more by covid than anything else. i mean, we all thought that we were headed toward the exit door of this. we were going to look at it in our rearview mirror, and now it's back and -- >> stuart, let me just say -- >> personally, i know lots of people that have covid now where i didn't before. it's depressing. >> it is, but here's the issue. you have covid, and it keeps replicating, which causes the mutation and whatever, in large part because of the unvaccinated people or the people who don't believe in masking and so on. so covid is continuing because of them, but then they're complaining about the economy that is persisting because they are refusing to do what will actually help the country. do you understand what i'm saying? >> yeah. look, i understand inflation is a factor in people's lives, but i would hope we would look and see where history has told us that when you put inflation before democracy, you're following the path of 1930s germany. we have to, i think, nationalize this election around the threat to democracy. that's not an easy thing to do. only once in the last -- well, this century has party in power gained seats. that's in 2002. it's only happened three times in the last 125 years. i was partrtrt of that. we were able to nationalize the race around domestic security. we didn't know it would work. it wasn't easy. it was a close thing. but i think that's where the biden administration needs to go. they have to continue to raise the stakes of this moment, remind people. >> yeah. thank you, stuart. thank you, ron. always a pleasure, both of you. i'll see you soon. i want to bring in now fareed zakaria, the host of fareed zakaria gps. good to see you as well. look, every president faces big challenges, but president biden is starting a tremendous -- staring at, i should say, a tremendous upheaval at home. a loss of voting rights, a pandemic-weary population, the coordinated republican assault on our democracy. how has the administration faced up to all of that? >> look, they had a plan, don. it was not an unreasonable plan. and the plan was that they were going to take heroic measures to get people vaccinated and that that was going to break the back of covid. that would then usher in economic activity, and you'd be -- you know, you would be in a very different place than you were in the last year of the trump administration. they did, in fact, manage to in a really herculean fashion, get access to vaccines, get the supply of vaccines done. they then hit a brick wall, which was there was a sudden number of people, a large number of americans who just wouldn't take the vaccine. and that is largely because of this pernicious, dangerous propaganda campaign that has been waged by everything from fox news, encouraged by republican politicians, who themselves are all vaccinated, but has allowed for us to be in this unique situation. we have the lowest number of vaccinated people in the advanced industrial world, 62%. most of your is 80-plus. so that has been the core of the problem, which is they haven't had an act two. they haven't really figured out what to do given that the first plan, which was a good plan, essentially came acropper because you just couldn't get people vaccinated. and as you said, once you have that many people, 40% of the country not vaccinated, the virus is going to replicate. it's going to spread. it's going to mutate. so they haven't figured out quite what to do about it. i still tend to think that covid is the big issue. if you can break the back of covid, you can bring about that restoration to normalcy that people were looking for. so i would try harder and maybe, you know, whatever ways you can, vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate because otherwise you're not going to get rid of covid. >> yeah. let's look abroad, okay, fareed? it's no better. big threats to the international order. the white house today expressing real concern about the possibility of a war on the russia/ukraine border. listen to this, and then we'll talk about it. >> our view is this is an extremely dangerous situation. we're now at a stage where russia could at any point launch an attack in ukraine. >> do you think that will happen? >> look, that's a very difficult question to answer. i would put it this way. putin has ratcheted up the stakes, and he has escalated because he wants major concessions. you know, churchill was once asked about stalin, does he want war? and he said, no, he doesn't want war. he wanted the fruits of war. in other words, he wants what he would get from a war. so putin is trying to -- he's playing a kind of poker game. my own sense is his preferred solution is no war because he understands that that would -- first of all, it gets him bogged down in a guerrilla war in ukraine with a population that really despises the idea of an occupying russian army. secondly, it would unify nato. it would trigger massive sanctions. it would in some ways cut russia off from the global economy. but he's willing to take that risk because he really -- what he really wants is a subservient ukraine. he's made clear that to him, what is galling is the idea that ukraine, which he has always thought of as fundamentally part of russia, can be an independent state, can choose its own foreign policy, it's own economic policy. and the biden people have been, i think, appropriately tough and provided assistance to ukraine and rallied the european countries together. but without being foolish in trying to provoke some kind of a war because that would be -- you know, that would be a catastrophe for everybody. you know, the united states does not want to go to war. the ukrainians don't want to go to war. europeans don't. so everyone is trying to see is there some diplomatic path where you can address some of russia's security concerns without conceding on this fundamental point, which is that ukraine is not going to become a colony of russia's. >> fareed, it's always a pleasure. thank you so much. >> my pleasure. rudy giuliani, eric trump, kimberly guilfoyle. who's next in the committee's sights? 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>> i do think, don, and what's critical is really what's happened last week with the sedition conspiracy charge against some of the insurrectionists. and that's because a conspiracy here requires a meeting of the minds. it's that meeting of the minds that's very hard to prove. we saw this in the first impeachment, you know. the fact that the justice department is now working on this idea that there was an agreement, an agreement to do what? to overturn an election. that's illegal. you don't have to succeed to actually bring -- to be guilty of conconspiracy. but there's two elements of the conspiracy here. one is the lawyers coming up with a cockamamy, fake, unlawful scheme to snatch the election under the guise of the law from joe biden. and if that didn't work, then we've got plan b, which is to bring the protesters to washington, and i think the question with kimberly guilfoyle is given that she raised money for the trump campaign and other areas, where did the money go? who brought the money together to pay for plan b, which of course when mike pence wouldn't go along with plan one, plan b came into effect, and america in this moment is lucky that it didn't succeed, and i really appreciate coverage of the fact that we might lose democracy the next round, don. that's why this is so important. >> yeah, yeah. yes. e elie, listen, given everything we know about how this committee operates, does it seem they want these phone records of kimberly guilfoyle and eric trump for a specific reason? >> i'm sure they want it for a specific reason, don. this committee has been very strategic in what they've done. those are two very specific individuals to request the phone records of. they want to know for reasons that we don't entirely understand right now, but they want to know who eric trump with spoke with at key times and who kimberly guilfoyle spoke with at key times. the phone records will show them exactly who each of them spoke with and texted with at very specific times, and i expect the committee to follow up by trying to get in touch with the other people who were being texted or being called and ask them perhaps, you know, look, let's be realistic, eric trump and kimberly guilfoyle are very unlikely to go in and testify and testify truthfully, but the other folks in those communications may have something to say. >> an attorney for kimberly guilfoyle is saying the subpoena is of no consequence because she has nothing to hide. and a source for eric trump says he's not losing sleep over it. should she be worried these subpoenas for their phone records are a prerequisite for a future call to testify? >> sure. as elie indicated, it doesn't mean they will. we've seen people defy subpoenas. we've also seen people like jim jordan say they don't care, they have nothing to hide, but then they turn around and refuse. as we talked about here before, this is an attempt -- this whole defense is an attempt to run out the clock to the midterms. the longer there's a delay, the less likely there's an ability to -- a requirement to actually testify. so step one is, i don't mind. step two is, no, i'm not going to. step three is, here are my excuses why i don't come. step four might be some litigation, executive privilege, attorney-client privilege, legitimacy of congress. we've seen all this stuff. none of it really is at the end of the day strong arguments for not testifying. but so long as the republicans have the house of representatives in their sights in a few months, this could all go by the wayside with the exception, of course, of what's going to happen with this information in the justice department when congress hands it over to the justice department, which i have no doubt is engaging in ongoing, as we know, ongoing investigations through the fbi on its own. and to your earlier point, yes, it's getting to the president. as elie suggests, these people were close to the president. the question is who talked to him and when and what did he say? was he part of what looks like a conspiracy to snatch the election from joe biden and therefore the electoral college votes and the voters themselves? >> elie, rudy giuliani and other top advisers -- i mean these people were loudly perpetrating the big lie, and at least two of them, giuliani and bore es epshteyn were at the willard command center or the war room on january 5th. that was the night before the insurrection. did you see any of them complying? >> oh, no, i don't see any of them complying. i'm sure they'll fight it every step of the way, don. but it's worth remembering here, the role that lawyers played in all this, this coup attempt does not happen without lawyers who are willing to abuse their power, abuse the trust that we place in them as lawyers, that kim and i and many, many others hold as lawyers. this coup attempt does not get off the ground unless they have the blessing of lawyers like rudy giuliani, sidney powell, jenna ellis, boris epshteyn, people who are willing to abuse that power, spread a lie, put it out in front of courts, put it out in front of the american public. they have to have some real accountability here. they're not going to testify, but we need to know and understand what they did and just how dangerous it was. >> aren't they supposed to be people who care about the rule of law? subpoena them, we don't care, but for everybody else, and then they want to sue everybody else even if they're just -- if they're called, if they're subpoenaed, like what the hell is going on here? what have we gotten ourselves into? >> i'm so with you. i feel that so deeply. it's such deep hypocrisy from these lawyers. it's painful to watch. >> why are they still lawyers? why aren't they facing sanctions? >> rudy is suspended in new york state and other consequences. >> kim, quickly because i got to run. >> i mean what amazes me, don, is just how many people are involved in this and how powerful the human quest for power is. >> yeah. >> this is about unmitigated power in the united states of america, and lawyers understand that if there are no consequences for breaching rules, laws, morality, ethics on the march, march, march to power, then people will break those laws, and lawyers are no different. and we saw as elie indicated both in new york and in michigan with sidney powell, the courts pushing back with sanctions. but i think all of this needs to be stepped up tremendously so that people have some disincentive in the future to do what looks like destroy our american democracy itself. >> sanctions, do they even care because they just keep rolling -- sanctions, okay. they still keep lying and keep going. all right. >> they raise a lot of money. they raise a lot of money to pay off the stuff, yeah. >> it's all a grift. >> from people who want power. >> thank you both. i appreciate it. so it's been called the war room, or the command center. trump insiders gathered at the willard hotel in washington on and around january 6th. we're going to tell you everything you need to know about who was there and what went on. mory supplements, neuriva plus fuels six key indicators of brain performance. more brain performance? 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maybe nothing about what specifically went on in those war rooms, but maybe a lot about who paid the bills, and that could help uncover a whole lot of folks who helped push the lies that led to an insurrection at the willard. don. >> tom foreman, thank you very much. joining me now, asha rangappa, cnn legal and national security analyst. asha, thank you for joining us. so you say the trump team's legal strategy was the epicenter of everything and that the january 6th insurrection was just the muscle. is that why investigators are so keen to find out what was happening in that war room? >> yes, don. the legal strategy that was led by eastman, who was part of this war room, was a multi-pronged effort to derail, disrupt, and delay the electoral count certification process. and, you know, the insurrection is a part of the delay. when they realized that pence can't go along with this, they need time to send this back to the states, and this is why the conspiracy can touch trump in this way. this is the conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, not necessarily the conspiracy -- the seditious conspiracy that the oath keepers were involved in, which we don't have any direct tie to. but this legal strategy that was intended to block the certification to send it back to the states with some idea they would decertify these electors for biden and then certify electors for trump is really what i think that the committee is focused on right now. who was a part of that? what were they doing? and to what extent did they go to make that happen? >> so we just heard tom foreman in his report. he talked about some oath keepers were photographed with roger stone outside the willard on january 6th. and we know that the group's leader, ten others as well, were charged with seditious conspiracy just last week. how do you think investigators are going to try to find out about potential ties between them and trump allies, asha? >> well, they have communication records. they clearly have some people who are cooperating with the committee. so, you know, they're just going to follow those communication trails. they'll follow the money trails and see how far it goes. you know, again, to be a part of that seditious conspiracy, there would have to be an agreement to use force in an effort to impede this law. so, you know, i don't know that it will necessarily extend to the trump campaign. there's nothing in the indictment as it's written now that suggests -- to trump himself, i mean. but it could touch people around him. as you said, roger stone seems the most likely person who might get ensnared in that net. >> thank you very much. appreciate that. ron desantis trying to stack the deck against democrats. the florida governor proposing one of the most partisan redistricting maps his state has ever seen. tony here from creditrepair.com taking to the streets to talk about credit. can you repair your credit yourself? 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just how far does this proposed map from desantis go in decreasing the state's gop advantage? >> quite a bit, don. the map that he has proposed would give republicans between two and four additional seats most likely. you know, that might not seem like a lot, but remember florida has traditionally been a purple state. voter registration here is pretty evenly divided between democrats and republicans. elections here are often decided by one or two points. so the idea that republicans could potentially walk away from this redistricting process with 20 of 28 seats in florida would really be a game-changer, and especially when you consider how close the house is right now, florida could determine who controls the u.s. house of representatives after these midterms. >> steve, is it typical for a governor of a state to draw their own map and submit it for consideration, and were florida officials expecting this? >> that hasn't been the case traditionally in florida, not in recent memory at least. and the governor surprised a lot of people, including within his own party, when he dropped this map in the middle of the night on sunday. i talked to someone, the house -- excuse me -- the senate republican lead on redistricting, and he told me that he didn't fied ound out ab the governor's plan until he read about it in the news this morning. it has created a lot of confusion in tallahassee in the last 48 hours, and it's not yet clear just where we're headed here. >> i just want to play this for you and our audience, steve. it's what one democratic state representative had to say about this map. watch. >> what i've seen of it so far, it gives me concerns that it violates the fair districts amendments, that it violates constitutional requirements. so it really puts the legislative republicans in a bind if you ask me because this is a governor who seems to so far be able to get what he wants. >> so do all democrats feel that desantis will get his way? >> i think there are a lot of democrats that feel that way because that has been the trend in florida. what we've seen over the last three years is the governor says jump, and state republican lawmakers largely say, how high? they've followed him on every pandemic measure he's taken. they've followed him on cultural legislation like banning transgender athletes from women's athletics. so the path that republicans have followed has been largely the one of following desantis. you know, up until a couple weeks ago, the republicans seemed to be headed toward a map that was widely considered fair and competitive. but if the governor decides to use his popularity and his pulpit among republicans to pressure his party to follow his lead, they might not have a choice. >> yeah. thank you. we appreciate it, steve. thanks so much. we have breaking news tonight on the new york attorney general's investigation of the trump organization. this is just coming in. i want to get to cnn's kara scannell. she joins me on the phone. kara, let's talk about this breaking news. new york attorney general letitia james and her investigation into the former president, it involves trying to force him to comply with the investigation. what do you know? >> reporter: yeah, don, that's right. so letitia james has subpoenaed the former president and his two adult children, donald trump jr. and ivanka trump, trying to get them to testify as part of her investigation. in this new filing tonight that spans more than 200 pages, she lays out why she wants their testimony. she says this investigation has identified significant evidence that the trump organization used fraudulent in the pleading asset valuations, that they have identified numerous misleading statements and omissions in these financial statements that were used to obtain loans and in tax submissions. they said they have not yet made a final determination about what kind of action they'll take. this is part of a civil investigation, although two of her lawyers are also working with the manhattan d.a.'s office, which is conducting a parallel criminal investigation. but she's saying to get to the bottom of this, she needs to talk to the former president and his two adult children. she points out that a number of top executives at the trump organization who have been brought in to testify, including his other son, eric trump and allen weisselberg, the chief financial officer, they asserted their fifth amendment rights against self-incrimination and did not answer more than 500 questions. she also says that, you know, they have found all of these misstatements that she alleges were misstatements, and she needs to know what the former president's knowledge of and what role he had in playing this. he signed off on a number of these statements. so really trying to get to the bottom of what his specific role was and what the role of those two adult children are because ivanka trump, as they point out, was the key liaison with deutsche bank, which has loaned the trump organization over $300 million. and donald trump jr. was specifically involved these properties, and once the former president -- once donald trump, the real estate magnate, became president, he sent -- you know, he put his funds in charge of the business. they continued to sign off on these financial statements. >> kara, let me jump in here because i'm getting some more information i want you to weigh in on it. specifically the new york attorney general's office says it is zeroing it on several specific alleged misstatements, including the size of trump's trump power penthouse, miscategorized assets outside of mr. -- thereby overstating his liqu liquidity, and ways that the statements did not disclose, failed to use fundamental techniques evaluation like discounting future revenues and expenses to their present value or chooses as comparables only similar properties to impute valuations from public sales data, misstated the purported involvement of outside professionals in reaching the valuations, and failed to advise that certain valuation amounts were inflated by an undisclosed amount for brand valuation. this goes along with her, kara, saying that they have significant evidence indicating that the trump organization used fraudulent and misleading asset valuations on multiple properties to obtain economic benefits, including loans, insurance coverage, and tax deductions for years. kara, stand by. i want to bring elie honig in, our legal analyst on cnn. did you hear what we said? >> yes, don. >> go for it. what do you make of this from the attorney general, letitia james? >> so obviously it's a very strong statement from the attorney general. i think it's a cause for concern anytime a state attorney general is saying these kind of things. now, obviously the core theory here goes to this valuation idea. did the trump organization selectively and intentionally overvalue assets when it was convenient or undervalue maybe those same assets when it was also convenient? the first question that i'm thinking about is who can they specifically tie to this conduct? they mentioned the trump organization, and they say -- the words are chosen very carefully here -- that there's some involvement by, and then they name some members of the trump family. but in order to make -- let's say there's two possibilities here. there's a civil charge and a criminal charge. you would need to tie specific people to that conduct. so i think this is a real warning sign to the trump organization as a corporate entity. potentially could lead to civil liability for some of the individuals who they're talking about here. and potentially if they can prove criminal intent beyond a reasonable doubt and if the manhattan district attorney agrees, that could lead to criminal charges. but i don't think that's quite what the attorney general -- i don't think the attorney general has gone quite that far in her statement tonight. >> all right. elie honig, thank you very much. an official statement has come out from the a.g.'s office and if is very detailed, and we'll get to it here on cnn. thank you to kara scannell and also elie honig. we'll be right back. take this. the federal government's website where americans can order free covid-19 tests now up and running. the web address is covidtests.gov. there it is up on your screen. covidtests.gov. every u.s. household is allowed to order a maximum of four tests which will ship directly to your home. okay? 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