have you ever missed "360"? you can listen to our podcast. go to cnn.com/podcasts. search for anderson cooper "360." the news continues. let's hand it over to laura coates and "cnn tonight." good to see you. i am laura coates. welcome to "cnn tonight." the big headline is president biden's clarion call for congressional action on voting rights. this, of course, hundreds of miles away from the u.s. capitol, which has been a big point of contention for many voting rights advocates who chose not to stand beside him in georgia today. they say they want to see action, not just talk. and many are wondering if this conversation is coming in too little, too late, even if we're not yet a year into the biden presidency. we'll hear more about that issue in just a moment. still, the president, a self-proclaimed creature of the senate, delivered his loudest call yet for the senate to change its rules on the filibuster in order to get two stalled voting rights bills passed. he says he's tired of being quiet, this after apparently having quiet conversations for months with members of congress who are holding up voting reform. >> i'm tired of being quiet. sadly, the united states senate designed to be the world's greatest deliberative body, has been rendered a shell of its former self. we must find a way to pass the bill. we have to change the senate rules, including getting rid of the filibuster for this. >> ironically, tired is exactly what his reporters seem to be feeling, some in his own party are growing fatigued and voicing frustration that biden hasn't done more to get these critical pieces of legislation he just referenced through. the freedom to vote act, the john lewis voting rights advancement act, especially members of the african-american community who, if you recall, were promised this after his election. >> the african-american community stood up again for me. you always had my back, and i'll have yours. >> now, biden said he would have the backs of black voters who had his back, back in 2020. but when it comes to voting rights, did he push them to the back burner? i mean, it's no secret that more and more states, at least 19 states, have enacted 34 new laws since the 2020 election that make it harder to vote, particularly if you're a voter of color. that's why members of georgia's voting rights groups refused to attend today's speech in atlanta. fearing they might be exploited and used as part of a photo op. president biden did visit the crypt of dr. martin luther king jr. with vice president kamala harris before going to the historic ebenezer baptist church where king preached and delivered a speech to a consortium of black colleges and universities. jesse jackson and al sharpton was there, but noticeably absent was georgia's voting rights super warrior, stacey abrams, who cited a scheduling conflict. she's the former democratic candidate for governor, and now another governor candidate in georgia who was instrumental in exposing these discriminatory practices in georgia. now, the president, he downplayed any tension that might be there. he told reporters that he spoke to abrams this very morning. saying they're on the same page and everything is fine. but why exactly would she turn down an opportunity like this? i mean, i'm wondering, was that a scheduling conflict? or was she herself conflicted about getting beside the president of the united states? and if so, what message does that send to him, to members of congress, and the georgia electorate? now abrams put out tweets thanking president biden for, quote, refusing to relent until the work of protecting voting rights is finished. she also welcomed him back to georgia. she also did mention that they spoke by phone, as president biden said, and she reaffirmed their, quote, shared commitment to the american project of freedom and democracy. i wonder, was that reactive or instructive on her part? biden for his part is trying to fight through the blowback for his decision to wait, frankly, this long to give a speech of this caliber and strength on the right to vote nearly one year into his presidency. but let's be clear, this is not just about one man or even the speech of one president. look at the screen. the president doesn't have the votes to get the freedom to vote act and john lewis voting rights act passed in a 50/50 senate. i mean, all 50 republicans, i repeat, all 50 republicans are united against enacting these bills and two democratic senators are with those republicans when it comes to changing rules on the filibuster to help get them over the finish line. both senators joe manchin and kyrsten sinema say they oppose changes to the 60-vote threshold to pass legislation. and senator manchin dug in on that position today. >> the filibuster is what makes the senate hopefully work when it's supposed to work. we need good rules changes and we can do that together, but you change the rules with two-thirds of the people that are present, so democrats and republicans changing the rules to make the place work better. getting rid of the filibuster doesn't make it work better. >> so what can biden do now? i mean, how can he deliver on his promises to those who he says delivered for him and did? and what about the promises of democracy? and will all this inaction or the perception of it have consequences for him and his party in the midterms and beyond? he's already said he wants to run for re-election. and the question is, would discourage some people in his own party from turning out to vote? joining me is a voting rights champion who didn't attend the speech today, nse ufot, the ceo of the new georgia project. it was founded by stacey abrams. why? to defend the right to vote. welcome to "cnn tonight." nice to see you, nse. >> thank you. nice to see you, laura. >> i have to ask you, there's a lot of questions swirling around the decision not to actually attend the speech. and for many, and i think you would express the same point, it was the thought of just hearing the very things you already know to be true, the importance of voting rights, the importance of voting rights and the reason to fortify and protect. did the president express something today that encouraged you in any way? >> yes. in fact, he did. i think their presence was encouraging, right? i also think that hearing him forcefully say we need a carve-out, that we need to get rid of the filibuster so that we can pass voting rights is actually really encouraging to hear as well. and to hear him say that we need to pass the for the people act and pass the john lewis voting rights advancement act, and we need to pass those things now. those are things we've been saying for the entire year, the entire time that he's been president. and, like, our demand has not changed. and so what we are looking for is, yes, like, the speech is important, it's lovely, we're happy to hear it, he hit the right notes, and we're also looking for a path forward to getting this legislation passed or some real talk with the american people to say that bipartisanship is not an option in this moment because this current version of the republican party is not interested in governing, that they have aligned themselves with americans who have showed up january 6th with a failed murder plot to kill the vice president and to try to interfere with the electoral college vote. that is the last piece that we're trying to hear, how do we get this bill passed? >> nse, on that point, of course, it's curious because as much as the president spoke about these issues and you find it encouraging that he had the presence to be there, is it discouraging that you chose not to in terms of voters who are looking towards the president of the united states and we're almost a year into the presidency and i wonder to play devil's advocate, i wonder, nse, what message it sends if there is the perception among voters who were told, look, all you had to do is turn out to secure the democratic majority, come out in record numbers, you have the majority in the house, senate, and, of course, in the white house. if you're perceived as throwing up your hands that you think it's all bluster, does that disincentivize the engagement for people, do you think, later on? >> it does, but i also don't think that's what's happening right now. so the legislative session started in georgia yesterday. and the republicans, the georgia republicans showed up to work for the first day of the legislature with a plan to continue the attacks on our elections infrastructure. now their new ambition is to completely get rid of drop boxes and vote by mail and drop boxes was a key component to having the elevated turnout we had in 2020 in the middle of a pandemic. with 30,000 brand-new voting machines that georgians voted on for the first time with no paper trail, that having an opportunity to vote by mail, make sure that people were -- that there was a paper trail so that we could have receipts, but also so that people could manage their exposure to the virus, and now the republicans are attacking that. lincoln county, one of our black belt counties where they're trying to close seven out of the eight polling locations and we're supporting organizers on the ground collecting signatures to try to block that. 159 counties in georgia. and several republicans are trying to unceremoniously remove black county elected officials from duty. and so we're in a crisis moment, and so i think that when we talk to the 600,000 young people and people of color that we registered to vote, they understand what we're doing. they understand that we are working to sustain the demand for urgent and immediate action to protect voting rights for all americans. this isn't just a georgia issue or just a red state issue. that is problem nationally. you mentioned 19 states have passed anti-voting legislation. 48 states have introduced nearly 400 anti-voting bills. >> and i suspect, nse, that's not going to be the end of it. when you talk about the numbers alone, i say it's going to be more. i wonder what you make of this with senator mitch mcconnell having this statement earlier today when he was talking about, well, is there some need to change the filibuster, the way that the president articulated today? listen to what he says. >> the senate isn't broken and doesn't need fixing. >> i mean, that wasn't the question he was asked, of course, and you and i are thinking to ourselves, well, there's something broken about the idea that even the concept of voting rights has become partisan. there's obviously clearly things happening, and it's in broad daylight. what do you say to that? >> not only is the senate broken, he broke it. >> if you want to be direct about it, nse, yes. go ahead. >> he broke it. i refuse to pretend like he is a good actor in this moment, that they are statesmen or patriots or people who care about protecting american democracy. everything that they have done, from the over 100 members of congress who signed a letter and refused to try to certify the elections in 2020, to, you know, january 6th deniers, apologists for the insurrectionists, basically saying that there's nothing going to move on the biden agenda. i absolutely want to see build back better become the law of the land. we absolutely want to see a path forward for immigration reform. there are things that the american people want to see, that were promised by the president on the campaign trail, and we are trying to flank him to create and sustain the demand for these bills, these laws that we have to have. >> nse ufot, thank you so much for your time. nice talking to you. i want to bring in a different perspective on this issue as well because my next guest, well, he calls the biden voting rights agenda, quote, an attempt to weaken election security under the guise of voting rights. georgia's republican secretary of state claims democrats are trying to rig the rules and he was the official on the end of that infamous trump "can you find me 11,000 votes" call. brad raffensperger up ahead. exploring the heart of historic europe with viking, you'll get closer to iconic landmarks, to local life and legendary treasures as you sail onboard our patented, award-winning viking longships. you'll enjoy many extras, including wi-fi, cultural enrichment from ship to shore and engaging excursions. viking - voted number one river cruise line by condé nast readers. learn more at viking.com. i'll pick this one up. i earn 3% cash back on dining including takeout with chase freedom unlimited. so, it's not a problem at all. you guys aren't gonna give me the fake bill fight? 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it's interesting, because, as you know, you yourself have been accused of being complicit in the same. what's your take now? >> if i look at -- in fact, your last speaker talked about wanting americans to be able to vote. today i ask for a constitutional amendment this that only american citizens vote in our elections. the vast majority of americans believe that only americans should vote. now they're voting in elections in new york, san francisco, even san jose is looking at that. another one that has strong bipartisan support is having photo i.d. that is actually supported by majorities in both political parties, and every single demographic group. 80% of all americans support photo i.d. h.r. 1 and h.r. 4 would do away with voter i.d. and have same-day registration. and that would in effect end up with people that could vote multiple times and also doing away with the citizenship check. it also makes it difficult to update voter rolls. i also think we should have a national ban on ballot harvesting. the only person that should ever touch your absentee ballot is you, the voter, or the election official and the worker when they receive your ballot. that's it. >> i understand the litany of things you just presented. and it's been echoed by other people as well. one of the big flaws that has been addressed and criticized about those lists is the idea that many of them, one with the idea of who's able to vote in georgia, it's already part of the laws that are existing. and then the rest seem to be an initiative in search of an actual problem. i want to get there. this idea of each of the things you raised really is premised on the idea that these are all significant problems that were so prevalent that they needed to be corrected. in thinking about that litany, are you afraid that by promoting these principles, you're instilling more fear about the integrity of our elections? >> there's not a single other country in the rest of the world that allows non-citizens to vote in their elections. we would be an outlier. we're the only country in the world that allows noncitizens to vote in their elections. photo i.d., we've had that for in-person voting for ten years. they've been using that in minnesota for over ten years. and that's a democrat state. so it's a nonpartisan, bipartisan objective measure that helps give people confidence in the process. it is about confidence, accessibility, and security. there's a tension there, i understand that, and i think georgia struck the proper balance. we now have 17 days of early voting. that's more than anything they have in new york, new jersey, or delaware. >> you're talking about minnesota. you're also talking about my home state as well. there's many things across the country that have been looking at these issues, and the problem for voter i.d. laws -- i want you to address this -- people's criticism of voter i.d. is not on the concept that they are somehow against the idea of those who are supposed to be voting or you are who you say you are. it's about the devil being in the details, about the availability of having access to the actual i.d., the type of i.d.s that are permitted versus those that are taken away, the idea of which counts and which do not. and your book is called "integrity counts ". i do wonder for all those things, there's an element happening in georgia right now where the power is being removed from officials like yourself in the ability to oversee fully these elections. do you see a problem with that based on the issues that you have raised? if you believe truly, genuinely, that these are indeed problems, do you think it's incumbent upon an elected official as opposed to one who is not to oversee these elections? >> as it relates to photo i.d., we have had that in place over five years now. most people are being registered to vote through department of driver's services, so it has photo i.d. and a robust citizenship check. 98.5% of registered voters have a driver's license number. if they've been registered a long time ago, we'll probably have their social security number and that gets you to 99%. we accept 12 to 14 other forms of identification. we'll give you a free i.d. just like we do for in-person voting. so it's not been an issue. peer-reviewed studies show photo i.d. doesn't decrease turnout. >> i know we're out of time here, but you don't have a problem with your own power being removed to oversee elections? you mention voter i.d. what about the latter issue? >> well, i've obviously been very clear that i believe that the secretary of state should be the chair of the state election board. but be that as it may, when you have a county that can't run an election well, and fulton county hasn't run elections well since 1993, long before i was here, we finally have a process of a bipartisan review panel that can look at their procedures. and say, are you going to improve it, and what's your plan of action? if they can't, you can replace the board and a new board can hire a new election director. they had this issue in florida years ago. governor scott fired one of the election directors. governor ron desantis fired another. you don't hear about palm beach county and broward county election issues anymore. accountability is always a good thing. we're checking people's homework, making sure they do the job well. we have 159 counties and we can't have one county holding up the whole rest of the state waiting for results. >> fulton county is waiting on the results of one of their prosecutorial investigations. we'll see, really, whether johnny was a good or bad little boy when it comes to that one. won't we? brad raffensperger, thank you so much for your time tonight. nice talking to you. >> thank you. we'll turn now to covid and fireworks on capitol hill as dr. fauci grows furious at his biggest critics. >> your desire to take down people -- >> you're absolutely incorrect, as usual, senator. you're incorrect in almost everything you say. >> no, you deny, but the emails tell the truth of this. >> and that was the polite part compared with what fauci called another republican senator today. but the frustration over omicron may be leaving some pro-vaccine americans having him sound more like right-wing anti-vaxxers. we'll talk about it with a former biden covid adviser next. ♪ baby got back by sir mix-a-lot ♪ unlimited cashback match... only from discover. 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>> let me finish. >> do you think it's a great success what's happened so far? >> what happens when he gets out and accuses me of things that are completely untrue is that all of a sudden that kindles the crazies out there, and i have threats upon my life, harassment of my family, and my children with obscene phone calls because people are lying about me. it makes a difference because as some of you may know, just about three or four weeks ago on december 21st, a person was arrested who was on their way from sacramento to washington, d.c., at a speed stop in iowa. and they asked -- the police asked him where he was going, and he was going to washington, d.c., to kill dr. fauci. and they found in his car an ar-15 and multiple magazines of ammunition because he thinks that maybe i'm killing people. so i ask myself, why would someone want to do this? so go to rand paul website, and you see fire dr. fauci with a little box that says "contribute here." you can do $5, $10, $20, $100, so you are making a catastrophic epidemic for your political gain. >> unbelievable. the experience of dr. fauci. but there was more because there was this moment, a hot mic moment where dr. fauci lashed out at senator roger marshall. listen carefully here. >> you see things before members of congress would see them so that there's an air of appearance that maybe shenanigans are going on. i assume -- >> that's not the case. >> what are you talking about? my financial disclosures are public knowledge and have been so. you are getting amazingly wrong information. >> so i cannot find them. our office cannot find them. where would they be public knowledge? where? >> it is totally accessible to you if you want it. >> for the public, is it accessible to the public? >> to the public. to the public. >> great. we look forward to reviewing it. >> you are totally incorrect. >> we look forward to reviewing it. >> senator marshall, dr. fauci has answered you, it is public information and he's happy to give it to you if you ask. >> what a moron. jesus christ. >> so clearly he's had quite enough of all the shenanigans. for what it's worth, senator marshall is a former physician himself. that makes it all the more stunning to think about why dr. fauci is being attacked by his colleagues and what has he done wrong is the question he himself is asking right now. i want to bring in another doctor, dr. zeke emanuel, former member of then-president-elect biden's covid advisory board. you hear dr. fauci express the frustration, the anger, frankly, and the sadness involved in his being attacked based on misinformation. what is your reaction to seeing him frustrated in this way? do you share that frustration? >> yeah, i think it's terrible. tony fauci is a man of incredible integrity, devoted to the country, and devoted to the american public's health. and the senate, unfortunately, first of all, doesn't treat him with respect. and second of all, we have an epidemic, a pandemic that's caused 830,000 deaths, almost 62 million people infected, and we're arguing about, you know, various emails that have nothing to do with trying to solve problems. point of fact, the email paul was referring to was not authored by dr. fauci, and the group referring to it has been totally, thoroughly discredited as was suggested in the email. so i'm not sure what gets accomplished here, but certainly helping solve this pandemic is not one of them. >> i mean, it's obviously counterproductive. it's also dangerous as well. as you articulated, dr. emanuel, it's not as if there have not been more than 800,000 deaths in this country. it's not as if we don't have issues around vaccine diplomacy and for every new letter in the greek alphabet, there's one more waiting to be named as a variant. yet there are still a lot of unanswered questions and you have seen, obviously, the frustration that has been wielded in the direction of dr. fauci and dr. walensky as well because there's confusing messaging. do you think that's truly the case, that the cdc is somehow falling short in messaging? or do you think that it's perhaps a little bit of a frustration with the fact that the pandemic has yet to end and people don't want to hear it anymore? >> look, we're all frustrated by the pandemic. it's now been two years. our lives have been upended. taking it out on government officials who are working tirelessly -- i've been in their position. i was in the government from 2009 to 2011. you're working all day to solve serious, serious problems, and then to have people attack you and attack your person, declaring conflicts of interest, false things, that's horrible. it is the case that we didn't anticipate the development of delta and then omicron, and we need a new strategy. and that is quite clear. but the basic message of the administration, we've got to get people vaccinated, we've got to get people wearing good-quality masks. those are really the same. and the problem is that people have been arguing against it, like rand paul, and that is not helping address and solve this pandemic. >> in many ways, dr. zeke emanuel, you're almost wondering what happened to that phrase, we're all in it together? it seems to be pitting people more and more nearly three years in. dr. emanuel, thank you for your time, i appreciate it. >> thank you. i also wonder in the different areas we've been focusing on and thinking about over time, issues surrounding criminal justice reform. i mean, is there an instance where it can go too far? new york's police commissioner and manhattan's d.a. each have been on the job for less than two weeks, but they're already clashing. could suspects resist arrests with no charges in some cases? we have a policing veteran here to discuss next in just a moment. ♪ ♪ (battle sounds stop) ♪ ♪ (dragon roar from phone) ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ well, would you look at that? jerry, you gotta see this. seen it. trust me, after 15 walks... gets a little old. i really should be retired by now. wish i'd invested when i had the chance... to the moon! ugh. unbelievable. so first came the disagreement. then came a crucial meeting. today the brand-new district attorney in manhattan had a sit-down with the new nypd commissioner after he got harsh blowback for his prosecution reforms. d.a. alvin bragg said he will only prosecute serious crime, meaning he would no longer prosecute citizens for minor and nonviolent infractions like trespassing, traffic violations, resisting arrest, even misdemeanor marijuana violations. police commissioner keechant sewell said it would put officers and the public in danger. she and bragg released a joint statement after their meeting which in part says it was agreed that police and prosecutors would weigh the individual facts and circumstances of each case with a view towards justice, and work together to keep new yorkers safe. joining me to discuss, former philadelphia police commissioner charles ramsey, he was also chief of police in washington, d.c., as well. commissioner, always nice to see you and get your expertise. i can't think of a better person than you to talk about this because the prosecutor's priorities here obviously got under the skin of the police commissioner. what is your take? is that the right call, to essentially prioritize the nonviolent crimes? is that a good call to make if you're the police commissioner? >> well, first of all, i'm glad they sat down and talked because you have to have open lines of communication between the d.a. and the police commissioner. you know, you can't just butt heads on everything. you're going to disagree on a few things, obviously. but you do need to have open lines of communication. so they both have been in office for a short period of time. having a meeting early on to iron a lot of things out, i think, is very important to try to get if not on the same page, at least in the same book, you know, so that you can at least move forward. and i understand some of what the d.a. is trying to do, find alternatives to incarceration, focus on nonviolent crimes. but are it's a mistake when prosecutors before they had a chance to evaluate an individual case just make these kinds of statements. we're no longer going to prosecute this or that. each case has to stand on its own merits and they need to review these cases before they make those comments because i think it just does a disservice to everyone involved. victims of crime, police officers, everybody. >> look, you know, i've been a federal prosecutor, i know you have been a commissioner and a well-respected one at that. we make decisions as prosecutors, right, based on not only the facts in the case, obviously our burden, but you know the volume of cases is going to impact the ability to allocate resources. you know that you got to prioritize certain cases where you're weighing whether to pursue those or use your resource on the violent ones. it can be the right decision in some instances to prioritize, not ignore, but prioritize. but what about the safety of officers? that's a concern that this commissioner has raised. if you do not have these charges like resisting arrest, for example, which we know has been the cause for concern for fourth amendment violations for many trials just this year alone, do you have concern that that will somehow incentivize violence towards police officers? is that the crux of her issue? >> i think it could. i think she's legitimately concerned about that. i would be too. i think you have to scrutinize resisting cases very carefully to make sure they're legitimate. now that officers wear body cameras -- and i review a lot of use-of-force cases now in my current role as a consultant. and the body cameras make a huge difference. believe me, you can tell whether or not the officer used excessive force, did they try to de-escalate. all those kinds of things. certainly looking at them carefully. but you can't say you're not going to prosecute these cases. you have to look at each one individually because what you don't want to do is create an environment where people think it's okay to resist arrest. arrests are still going to take place, but what you'll wind up with is maybe higher levels of force used to bring a person under control. you'll have more instances where officers will be involved in struggles with individuals that have been taken into custody. so you have to take these matters seriously. words matter. you have to be careful on how you say things. i don't think his intention is to harm anyone, but he has to be careful how he presents these things so that he doesn't give the wrong impression. >> yeah, it's the idea of priorities versus inviting behavior, prioritizing prosecution. but i wonder, part of me when i saw this wondered given the volume of cases we've seen on officer-involved shootings and excessive use of force, i wondered if knowing full well that -- i write about this in my book, just thinking about the overwhelming and disproportionate impact of these cases on black and brown communities, was a part of this more thinking of the idea of, look, resisting arrest cases can often be pretextual and it's perceived as pretextual in some instances as a way to trump charges against someone. could that be part of the calculus in terms of ensuring there's greater trust between the community and the police who should have this symbiotic relationship? >> it could be, but also, again, you know, you have to look at these cases individually. i don't have a problem with very close scrutiny when it comes to resisting cases or any case for that matter. but i think when you start making statements or start acting as if all cases of resisting arrest are somehow just trumped up and didn't need to happen, it wasn't legitimate on the part of the officer, i think it's a mistake as well. i've been involved in a lot of arrests. not everybody wants to go to jail, so you wind up with a struggle. some struggles take longer than other struggles, but they do take place. so you have to look at these cases individually and make a judgment based on what you see. now that we have body-worn cameras, the facts in the case, all those things combined, and then make a decision as to whether or not you're going to charge. >> commissioner ramsey, thank you for your time and expertise as always. i appreciate it. >> thank you. you know, something's still on the top of my mind on the fight over voting rights in america. something i think that should blow out of our minds as this battle comes to the forefront again. i'll make my case about it next. is the planning effect. this is how it feels to know you have a wealth plan that covers everything that's important to you. this is what it's like to have a dedicated fidelity advisor looking at your full financial picture. making sure you have the right balance of risk and reward. and helping you plan for future generations. this is "the planning effect" from fidelity. you could be working with someone outside your company and wait for back and forth e-mail, or a call to be rescheduled for the third time. orrr... you could use slack. and work faster with everyone you work with, together in one place. slack. where the future works. ♪ limu emu and doug.♪ and it's easy to customize your insurance at libertymutual.com so you only pay for what you need. isn't that right limu? 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