committee. he would likely chair the committee if republicans take the house this fall. think he would have deep respect for committees and the work they do, especially when it comes to oversight and investigation, both of which he vigorously pursued back when republicans ran the house. so why, then, did he just snub a request to meet with the house select committee on january 6th? well, in his letter to the committee, he said he had, quote, no relevant information that would assist the select committee in advancing any legitimate legislative purpose. notice, he doesn't say he has no relevant information that would assist the committee in its investigation. only, quote, any legitimate legislative purpose, which he's already made plain he doesn't believe the committee has. it's a way of being less than honest, without appearing to be, frankly. because if the question is, does he have anything of interest to the committee and its investigation? the answer is clearly, yeah, he does. here is committee member adam schiff talking about text messages to former white house chief of staff mark meadows in and around the insurrection. >> i want to display just a few of the message he received from people in done guess if we could queue the first graphic. this one reads, on january 6th, 2021, vice president mike pence, as president of the senate, should call out all electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all. >> so, that message he read was from congressman jordan. now, it is a dubious legal theory on overturning the election, which he forwarded. so, you can see why the committee might want to talk to him about that. again, this is the ranking member of the judiciary committee, fronting a theory for a potential coup. the same gym jordan who is rarely at a loss for words, except it seems when asked about something else the committee wants to know about -- his conversations with the former president that day. >> on january 6th, did you speak with him before, during, or after the capitol was attacked? >> i would have to go -- i -- i -- i spoke be him that day after? i think after? i don't know if i spoke with him in the morning or not. i -- i just don't know. i would have to go back and -- i mean, i don't -- i don't -- i don't know that -- when those conversations happened. but, um -- but what i know is i spoke with him all the time. >> a guy who prides himself on his ability to rapid fire questions which he likes to rattle off at warp speed. seems different on the receiving end, doesn't it? or maybe that is how people talk when they have got nothing to hide, which he has repeatedly claimed. here he is in july with cnn's manu raju. >> you know, you had conversations about january 6th. >> but i had conversations with the president all the time. >> if they called me, i got nothing to hide. >> nothing to hide, he said in july. and here he is in october, saying the same at contempt proceedings for steve bannon. >> are you willing to tell the select committee what you know about events leading up to, during, and after -- >> i have got nothing to hide. i have been straightforward all along. >> notice, again, how slippery the language is in both instances, he is asked whether he is willing to talk to the committee and both times, he answers i have nothing to hide. he doesn't say, yeah, i'll talk to the select committee. that's how washington works. really, something special. especially, for somebody who once lectured former secretary of state hillary clinton during the endless benghazi hearings about transparency. >> last month, on september 20th, you said -- quote -- i am being as transparent as possible. more transparent than anybody else ever has been. now, my definition of transparency includes being honest and straightforward, and being honest and straightforward, right from the start, right from the get-go. >> joining us for more, cnn's ryan nobles at the capitol who just spoke with the congressman. what did he say? >> anderson, we tried to press more on these questions about his willingness to cooperate or lack thereof with the january 6th select committee and i -- and i asked him if his letter meant that he completely shut down the door or closed the door to talking to the committee and all he would do was refer me back to this letter. he said that the letter answers all the questions that we might have. so i pressed him a little more. i asked would you be willing to sit in front of the committee, in a public hearing, and answer questions that everyone can hear and see? again, he just referred me back to that letter. and then, i asked him you said at one point that you have nothing to hide. you still have nothing to hide? he again said that he had nothing to hide. but then, went on to say all the problems that he has with the committee. the way that it was formed, the way that they have handled their business up until this point. but then, again, refused to say whether or not he would talk to the committee. and finally, the last thing we asked him, anderson, is whether or not he has had any communication with the former-president donald trump and his legal team as it relates to his interaction with the committee. he simply would not answer that question. just referred us back, once again, to that letter. >> there is new reporting late tonight on former-vp mike approximate pence in regards to the committee. what do we know? >> what this "new york times" report echoes a lot of our reporting already is that the former-vice president mike pence does seem to be at least open to the idea of speaking to the january 6th select committee. but he has not yet decided whether or not he is willing to do it. what the "the times" report does get into, which could be of a concern to the committee is that pence a little upset about the perception about the level of cooperation with a number of aides that worked for him in and around the time of january 6th, and how much they have been talking to the committee. now, we know that mark short -- his former chief of staff -- has been subpoenaed with the committee. he has preksed a willingness to cooperate. and of course, keith kellogg already sat for a lengthy deposition with the committee and told us afterwards that he was willing to cooperate. it appears pence does not want to be seen as a full willing participant of the committee's investigation. perhaps, because of some blowback that could provide him with those close to the former-president donald trump. but at the end of the day, anderson, he has not closed the door to the idea of speaking with the committee. and we know, very specifically from the chairman and other members of the committee, that they are very interested in hearing from the former-vice president. >> ryan nobles, thank you. joining us now, two former republican congress members, mia love, and joe walsh, host of the podcast "white flag with joe walsh." congresswoman love, jim jordan clearly relevant to the january-6th investigation. he was speaking to the former president at the time. on the day, apparently. but without any details, he hasn't said when or how often. does it surprise you at all that a former-sitting congressman is basically blowing off a congressional committee? >> well, you know, it's really interesting to me that the committee decided to summon him, and not subpoena him, which is a big difference. and in my experience, members of congress give each other a little bit of grace period, which is -- a little bit of grace when it comes to hearings because they -- you know, they -- they respect them as former members of congress. um, so, i think it's really interesting that they actually summoned and not subpoenaed him. and i think that, also, jim jordan is probably looking and saying, hey, i was on the list to begin with. they didn't use me then. they probably don't need me now. i think that he should go but my guess is these are the -- this is the dynamic that is playing out in washington. >> yeah. >> i mean, congressman walsh, you also served in the house with jim jordan. said you used to be good friends. what do you think his endgame is here? i mean, politically, i understand why he wouldn't do it. it certainly plays to the people who support him, i assume? >> anderson, this is what's so sad about this republican party. jim jordan -- who i do know well -- can't testify in front of this committee because if he testified under oath, he'd have to tell the truth. and if jim jordan told the truth ab about that day, his -- his career as a republican would be over because he'd have to say that he communicated with the president, and donald trump incited the insurrection. and they tried to get the president to act, and he wouldn't act. that's the truth and jim jordan knows all of that. but, anderson, if he said that, the average-republican voter out there would be done with jim jordan. i mean, that's where the republican party is today. you simply can't tell the truth. >> you know, it's so interesting, joe, your saying this. because i mean, even a guy like jim jordan who has bent over backwards to support the -- the former president, who has, you know, pushed the -- the -- the big lie. um, repeatedly gone to the mat for the former president. you're right, even if he did testify and he just told the truth, that would nullify all the other debasement he's done of himself for the former president in the eyes of the former president and his supporters. this former president will attack anyone who tells the truth, even if they have been incredibly loyal to him. >> anderson, it's -- and i am not the only one to say this -- the republican party is a cult. i know a lot of people say that but what does that mean? that means they are all beholden to donald trump. and -- and the base of the party, which is beholden to trump. and as a cult, you can't speak the truth. look at mike pence. look at all the -- the -- the supplicating he did to donald trump for four or five years. and then, on january 6th, anderson, he does his constitutional duty and as far as the republican party base is concerned, he's done. >> yeah. >> jordan knows that. >> congresswoman love, i mean the fact done guessman jordan could become chairman of the judiciary committee if republicans take the house this year. you know, it is so fascinating when you look back at his performance during the benghazi hearings. you know, he was -- he was prosecuting that very strongly. asking, you know, he was relentless on -- on that. it's just so different, when the table is turned. i mean, it -- it's -- i mean, the hypocrisy here. >> yeah. and i think that's what's really, um, difficult for representative jim jordan because if he does, i do agree that if he does take the stand, it will -- it will put him -- i shouldn't say take the stand but actually, um, appear before the committee, it would really put him in a difficult situation because he will be -- he will have to tell the truth and talk about everything that he knows. um, what happened on january 6th. but i do disagree with the cult statement. um, i'm still a member of the republican party. i'm not abdicating my position. as a matter of fact, um, if you look at the former president's numbers and the support that he has, it's actually going down. and i -- and i'm pleased with that because campaigns really aren't about what happened yesterday. they are not about what happens today. it's about what is next, and i think the american people are looking for leaders that are going to say this is -- i want you to prevent this from happening, again. >> right, but the former president is still the sta standard bearer of the republican party. obviously, you are part of the republican party that has principles and, you know, adheres to basic facts and truth. um, but that's not -- i mean, you could not -- could you win today, running in that republican party without supporting the former president? >> i think you could. and you can look at youngkin, who stayed away from being -- from trying to be tied to the president. he actually didn't run, um, with the president and he ran on issues that were importantly to the -- to his -- to the state and to, um, the areas that he is going to represent. so, i think that there is a path forward, and we can see that, again, with the dropping numbers of support that the president is having. and i know that there are members of congress that are actually going, and they are trying to run, um, still supporting the president. and i think those -- i think those members are going to lose or those people that are looking to be members of congress are going to lose. >> congressman walsh? >> anderson, i respect the heck out of mia love but the fact is if -- if you don't say donald trump won the election, uh, you -- you -- you don't have -- you can't get elected as a republican. if you say january 6th was a violent attempt to overthrow the election -- if you say that truth, anderson -- there is no way, on god's green earth, as a republican, you could win that. >> i mean, look at ted cruz. look at ted cruz just saying the word "terrorist" about people who attack police officers on the day of the insurrection. and he gets, you know, a starring role in the way he didn't want on tucker carlson's show, and had done probably severe damage to himself but we shall see. we shall see if support is fadeling. >> besh see. >> yeah, congresswoman love, appreciate it. congressman joe walsh, appreciate it. coming up next, one of the lawmakers suing the former president over his actions on the 6th of january after the judge hearing their case questions lawyers who say a sitting president can say anything, and not be held accountable in civil court. congressman eric swalwell joins us on that. and later -- the latest on tennis great novak djokovic getting the okay to play in the australian open, unvaccinated because he tested positive for covid and recovered last month which solves one problem of him playing. does nothing to answer questio about what he was doing in public, when he was supposed to be quarantining. more on that, ahead. i want my daughter riley to know about her ancestors and how important it is to know who you are and to know where you came from. doesn't that look like your papa? 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>> we believe today that we presented enough facts to show that donald trump incited and aimed a mob -- a vie lolent mob at the capitol and that is well outside the bounds of presidential immunity. so i know the judge had a lot of tough questions for both sides and we welcome that, and i think he is going to carefully review it. but, anderson, this is about accountability. and for too long, accountability has been a stranger donald trump has never encountered and today in a courtroom, he met it. >> one of the former president's lawyers argued to the judge today that the former president cannot be held liable for actions he did not take. what do you say to that? >> in the key action, of course, that the judge pressed the former-president's lawyer on was, well, if donald trump did not intend to incite the mob on january 6th, why didn't he just call off the mob? why did it take over two hours -- nearly three hours -- before he even said anything at all? and -- and there was no good answer, other than, well, because he's the president. he can say what he wants, and he can't be held accountable for that. that that's not good enough and in the law, when you incite and aim a mob, you are held accountable and this president did not do that in his official capacity as president. he did it as a loser of a presidential campaign -- someone who had lost and was throwing out the legal means of trying to win the election, and relying on violence and rhetoric. >> what is your -- what is the purpose in pursuing this lawsuit? >> accountability, anderson, to show the former president and those who stood with him that day that we are a country of law and order. and when you lose an election, you concede. you don't use violence, you don't use violent rhetoric, you don't fire up a mob and you don't stop me and my colleagues from lawfully counting the votes. and if he is not held accountable for that, i am convinced, anderson, that he is gonna seek to do it again when he loses in 2024. so, again, this is about bringing something that's been a long time coming for donald trump that is accountability. >> if the judge rules in your favor, do you worry then in the future, any president can -- can be sued by anybody for anything? >> well, you know, the judge, in a moment that revealed just how difficult of a case this is, think he noted that this is a very difficult, complex case because thankfully we have never had a president do this before. we have never had a president use, you know, his social media to call people to washington and then tell them when they are there, they have to fight like hell and they should go to the capitol. thankfully, that's never happened before. so, i would say, anderson, i had i would hope if the president is held accountable, it should be a message that should never happen again and that you do not have absolute immunity to do anything you want. you are a president, you are not a king. and that's what this lawsuit's about. >> i mean, there are obviously multiple lawsuits at play. um, you know, you have house republican leader kevin mccarthy said today that if the gop wins back the house later-this year, he will seek to kick you and two of your democratic colleagues out, adam schiff and ilhan omar, off your committees in retaliation for democrats kicking two fringe republicans off their committees -- marjorie taylor greene, spreading hateful conspiracy theories, qanon theories, and paul gosar for posting a video depicting the ail kiloling of alexandria cortz in anime. what do you make of what mccarthy said? >> he spends a lot of thinking about and talking about me and mr. schiff and i will say this. we are thinking and talking about helping people and focussing on winning midterms. he is targeting me, targeting schiff, and targeting ms. omar because we are effective. not for any other reason and this is the trumpization of politics, right? he is doing it purely for retaliation purposes and he is not even offering a fig leaf as to yes, sir doing it. it is just because we are calling him out for the ku klux klan elements that he has in his caucus, who he won't call out. so, he is projecting onto us, what he can't do with his own colleagues. >> congressman swalwell, appreciate your time. thank you. >> my pleasure. thank you. up next, will chicago schools be closed for, yet, another day tomorrow as the city and teacher's union disagree on covid safety measures. the latest showdown and hear from bun of several parents suing the teachers union now over the walkout. from unitedhealthcare. medicare supplement plans help by paying some of what medicare doesn't... and let you see any doctor. any specialist. anywhere in the u.s. who accepts medicare patients. so if you have this... consider adding this. call unitedhealthcare today for your free decision guide. ♪ trelegy for copd. 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>> sure. thanks, anderson. our lawsuit alleges that what the union is doing is wrong. they -- they cannot strike, both, under illinois law and under the contract, they're prevented from going on strike unless the contract is terminated or, uh, expired and it's not. so, what they are doing is illegal and our lawsuit intends to stop it. >> you are the mom of three chicago public school students, an 11-year-old, twin 9-year-old boys. um, first of all, how are you guys coping? i mean, how rhode island doing? how are you doing? >> it is a challenge every day. boys -- my boys, they want to be in school. they want to be learning. and it's fairly chaotic around the house, trying to find things to keep them busy. trying to get them to do some of the instructional assignments that they're putting forth online that the schools are putting out. but there is no point in doing them because they are not graded and they are completely optional. >> wow, really? i didn't realize that. >> yes. some of the principals have, um, put out instructional pamphlets that kids can work on at home. busywork. >> and how much time have they spent, just in the last, you know, during this pandemic, on -- on -- you know, at -- from -- from home instead of at school? >> in this most recent? >> no, overall. >> overall? they were home from september of 2020 until march of 2021. then, they finished the school year into june. and then, they went back to school in september of 2021, and were successfully attending in person every day up until this christmas break, on december 17th was their last day. then, they came back for two days in january now, and they have been home ever since. and now, they are not even doing remote learning. >> and you've noticed -- i mean, i -- i have talked to so many parents that no matter how hard you try with remote learning, you have noticed a difference in -- in the -- the results? >> oh, absolutely. two out of my three children have 504 plans, which have accommodations. and obviously, with remote learning, those accommodations cannot be met. it is impossible. >> jeffrey, i know the teacher union did something similar to this last year. how are they able to make a unilateral decision that impacts 340,000 students and -- and -- and families? >> well, the realty is because cps and the mayor refuse to enforce the law, and so they have let them do it last year. they let them do it last year around this time when cps was trying to get back to a hybrid model, where kids would go back to school two days a week and that was delayed about a month because ctu tried to pull the same thing. in our lawsuit, we are going to try to end this so it doesn't happen again in the future. this -- this is a tactic that's -- that ctu should not be able to use. >> well, how much do you think this is about covid? and, you know, understandable concerns that some have about covid. and how much do you think this is about the mayor and union's inability to get along? >> sorry, that was for laura. >> sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> i -- i believe in the science. the science says that it's safe for the kids to be in school, and it's safe for the teachers to be there. and since the beginning of this pandemic, our children have been used as pawns in this political hot potato between the ctu, cps, and mayorli heightfoot and it i our children playing the multipit price for this. >> i spoke to the mayor i guess it was on friday. and she said they are going to be working for the weekend on this. she sounded optimistic about school, you know, getting to a resolution over the weekend. clearly, that -- that didn't happen. do you have any sense of -- of how long this may go on for? >> i received an e-mail from two out of my three boys' schools this afternoon already, about 3:00 informing me there was no school for tomorrow, already. >> wow. >> so, i already -- i know there is nothing for tomorrow. and then, i will get another e-mail tomorrow afternoon, probably, telling me there is nothing for wednesday. >> wow. um, laura golden, i really appreciate you are talking, even finding the time to do this must be difficult, given all you have got going on so i appreciate it. jeffrey schwab, as well. continue to follow what is happening in court. coming up next, how the governor of colorado -- a democrat -- is pushing back and saying no to shutdowns or statewide mask mandate and how voters and health officials are reacting to it. olay body wash hydrates to improve skin 3x better, from dry and dull to firm and radiant. with olay body, i feel fearless in my skin. at carvana, we treat every customer like we would treat our own moms, with care and respect. to us, the little things are the big things. which is why we do everything in our power to make buying a car an unforgettable experience. happy birthday. thank you. we treat every customer like we would treat our own moms. because that's what they deserve. ♪ it wasn't me by shaggy ♪ you're never responsible for unauthorized purchases on your discover card. 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that's your position? >> the end of the medical emergency, frankly. people who want to be protected are. those who get sick, it's almost entirely their own darn fault. >> >> did that bother you so much? >> because it is not over. >> dr. mark johnson is president of the colorado medical society. he recently retired from his post as the public health director of jefferson county outside of denver. >> to say it's over feeds into those who want it to be over, and are telling us in medicine and in public health that we're overdoing it. it's not like we are trying to control people's lives but that's kind of what it came -- came off as. >> every recipe is my mom, my dad's, my grandma's. >> reporter: daniel ramirez and his family operate four different restaurants in thee different counties, each with their own set of local pandemic health guidelines. that's part of the local control the governor has duo cades. >> how stressful is that? >> it's -- it's pretty stressful. it is a whirlwind. >> and confusing. >> very confusing. you never know what you are going to get. now, with so many different county rules, you really don't know what you are going to get any day of the week, so it gets pretty confusing. >> and you are okay with that? >> of course we are. we have to figure out a way, we have to continue moving forward. >> ed joins us now. we had the governor on a short time ago. is there any scenario, under which governor polis says he is going to return to statewide covid restrictions? >> well, we asked him that directly spokesperson for the governor didn't say. answer that question directly, however. but about 70% of the state's population in colorado over the age of 5 is fully vaccinated so the spokesman for the governor says that they are kind of moving beyond/past this idea of a small group of unvaccinated people in that state infringing on everyone else's ability to move beyond the pandemic. so, we clearly get the sense there they are trying to strike this balance between pushing the vaccine, and getting people's lives back to normal as quickly as possible. to kind of unravel the economic disruptions that the state and the country have suffered for most of the last-two years. >> ed lavandera, appreciate it. thank you. up next, our friend and colleague carl bernstein joins us to talk about his remarkable account of getting started in this business, from his first big assignment covering kennedy inauguration to his role getting news of the assassination into print to how his young career led him to become the legend we all know. a new book out "chasing history." so thank you. we hope you like your work. get $1,500 lease cash toward a 2022 es 350. ♪ ok, let's talk about those changes to your financial plan. bill, mary? 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>> it was, in some ways, the most joyous experience of my life. i went to work in this great newsroom. got the greatest seat in the country at the age of 16. worked at the washington star from 1960 to '65, when so much was happening in america and the capital in the united states, civil riots, assassination of kennedy. it was an amazing time in our history. and i was taught by the most amazing reporters of the 20th century, in many regards. it's the best education you could have and i dropped out of college, and got, really, a superior education from these people who became my family, really, in the star. >> what are the differences you see between a conservative paper in the 1960s and the conservative media today? >> well, because this was a paper that was committed to the best attainable version of the truth, to use a phrase bob woodward and i used a lot during watergate but that phrase has its roots and what i learned at the star, we called it the complexity of the truth. and it involves the kind of thing they did in watergate, knocking on a lot of doors. being good listeners. seeking out sources. being perseverent. unlike "the washington post" those days, t"the washington post" bled its editorial opinions onto the front page in those days. and evening star did not. it was the conservative paper, in terms of its editorial policies but had a much greater commitment to -- to the truth and all of its complexity, and had reporters and editors and that was their -- it was their first principle -- that we are trying to tell and report and get the truth through great reporting. >> you know, i think part of the polarization of today is because journalism -- we don't have the newspapers, local newspapers like we used to. and we don't have -- in one city, we don't have multiple newspapers covering things, and that sense of community which one got and participation which one got from having those, you know, multiple points of view and multiple -- you just don't have that anymore. >> no, you don't. and the other thing that you don't have is the kind of aggressive reporting that was somewhat standard-operating procedure in those days. knocking on doors, as i've said. going to visit your sources, not just in their offices but going to see them at night. having a relationship with them that you can sit across from them at the table, and really learn what's on their minds. one of the things about reporters is they are often not very good listeners. we were taught to be good listeners. that people may try to tell you the truth if you give 'em a chance, rather than just shove a microphone in their face and run the other way, and run back to the office once they've told you something. so we had a very different approach to what we see in so much mainstream news today. that's not to say there isn't an awful lot of great reporting going on today and to demonstrate it, all you have to do is look at the reporting on the trump presidency. some of the greatest white house reporting in history. >> you know, i mean, there is so many great stories in this book. >> there are so many great stories in the book. you saw john f. kennedy when he was running for president. >> he came to my high school and i had just started at the paper and the stated itor, said, hey. you know the turf. why don't you go with our senior political reporter and report on the crowds. that's what i did. >> but the speech didn't make any sense. >> no, it didn't. kennedy that day, kennedy who could be the most eloquent of speakers, mixed up the pages of his speech with a speech that was supposed to have been given in california. and he said no i'm right here with the senator from california. he was there with the senator from tennessee. it was a mess. >> the crowd didn't care. >> the crowd did not care. they were mesmerized. i had gone to the rock 'n roll show in new york a couple years earlier when jerry lee lewis threw his jacket into the audience app be the girls went wild. the same thing happened with kennedy. if he hadn't pulled back from the crowd they would have taken his jacket off and stripped his shirt off. >> i love you're 16 years old, going to high school and reporting on kennedy at your high school for a paper. i mean, incredible. carl bernstein congratulations. the book is just "chasing history, a kid in the newsroom" and comes out tomorrow. it is a great, great read. carl is going to join me wednesday on our digital show for more full circle. up next, now that a judge has agreed tennis great and vaccine opponent novak djokovic to play in the australian open because he tested positive for covid on december 16th here is a question. what was he doing on december 17th maskless at a public event for kids? 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[ coughing and sneezing ] cold season is back. bounce back fast with alka seltzer plus. with 25% more concentrated power. alka-seltzer plus. ♪ oh, what a relief it is ♪ so fast! also try for cough, mucus & congestion. tennis star novak djokovic is now out of detention and a judge paved the way for him to stay in ault. the saga isn't over yet. a spokes person for australia's immigration minister says he is still considering canceling the visa and this as questions surround his medical exemption. according to documents from australia's federal circuit court djokovic was granted a vaccine exemption after testing positive for covid in december but multiple pictures on social media show him unmasked at events on the day he supposedly tested positive. it is unclear if he knew his results before attending the events. joining us former professional tennis player james blake. >> james, what do you make of the judge's decision today to restore his visa? >> well, i think it is a bit of a sad day for tennis just because i think nobody looks good. it is good we want to have the best players playing in every event but it seems like the way it went down here there was missed communication between tennis australia, state government, federal government, and novak not entirely transparent about all of what he was doing, missing a deadline for the exemption. the big thing for me as a player and tournament director is i want a fair field for everyone. if he had been transparent through the whole process this would be easier to digest for people. >> djokovic said he tested positive on december 16th and was seen at a live event without a mask that same day as well as the next day. it is hard to square that. >> yes. it raises a lot of questions. if i am the player, rank and file player ranked 60 in the world that went through all the correct processes to be playing there whether it is getting vaccinated, putting in your medical exemption earlier than december 10th, getting that exemption and getting squared away to play i'd have that question. why is his different? what is different? there may be a simple answer. maybe he has his first press conference will explain all this and let us know why he was unmasked on the 17th and 18th and still showing he tested positive on the 16th. i don't know what that would be. maybe he has a simple answer. >> do you worry that djokovic may have been treated differently for good or bad because of his status as a wealthy professional athlete? >> definitely. i think there was a huge spotlight and where it would have made more sense to be transparent. people were still in the dark about it. what is he going to do? he vaccinated, unvaccinated? he just pops up on social media and says i'm getting on a plane. that threw everyone into a bit of a tizzy. in australia they were pretty frustrated with the fact they've been under these serious lockdowns and one of the greatest athletes of all time clearly one of the fittest just says well i have my medical exemption and i'm ready to go without any explanation. tennis australia got two different types of information the federal government saying covid in the last six months is okay. the state government saying no that's not okay. then not communicating that with the players accurately. i do believe djokovic got on a plane thinking he had done everything he was supposed to know was ready to go. >> certainly no stranger to controversy though this situation is unique in his career. if he does get to play, how do you think it affects his chances for success from a mental standpoint? he has, he seems to kind of thrive off kind of him against the world. >> yeah. i think he has done so well. there are certain athletes in general that thrive off that and want that me against the world attitude. some really shrivel under that and think they need the fans on their side and he has proven he has risen to the occasion when he has the crowd against him, even portrayed as a villain which i don't think he ever should be but he is not a fan favorite a lot of times. i think for him to get through the australian open if he is able to play this year would be one of the greatest accomplishments any tennis player has ever done mentally because of what he has done through. not being able to train or be active at all for the last five days, go through all of this he has been through and i can only imagine what he is going to walk out to his first match and every match in australia with all the fans through what they've been through i have a feeling it is going to be really difficult to focus on strictly tennis. he has proven to be the best in the world at that but this is a challenge like he's never seen before. >> a pleasure to talk to you. thank you so much. >> thanks, anderson. well the cnn special report "the fight to save american democracy" starts right now. >> announcer: the following is a cnn special report . do you remember ronald reagan's description of american democracy? 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