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year's eve celebrations. the annual times square celebration in new york city is for now a go. the fda has authorized two new at-home tests, but for now the demand for testing is drastically outpacing supply. many hospitals are maxed out with large portions of staff out sick themselves. states like georgia and ohio are the latest to activate the national guard for help. some experts say this is the new reality for the foreseeable future. >> everything we're going to do right now will be imperfect. just accept that right now. we don't know a lot of the things we wish we knew, but what we do know and is emerging is this country will be in the soup in the next few weeks. with so many cases in so many locations, we'll see critical infrastructure as well as health care challenged. >> one of those big challenges is a rise in pediatric cases. more than 300 children being admitted to the hospital nation wild for covid every day in the last two weeks, just 2% below the peak in september. the chief of pediatric emergency medicine at boston medical center joins us. thanks for being here. >> of course. >> i ask as a parent, one vaccinated 5-year-old and one unvaccinated 3-year-old. i want to be very clear here. we just got some news from the president of the american academy of pediatrics making really clear that the vast majority of hospitalizations they're seeing with covid in children is unvaccinated children. is that what you're seeing as well? >> yes, that's what we're seeing as well. and i think one thing everyone has to remember is that, as you alluded to, all kids under 5 are unvaccinated. so the children are a really vulnerable population at this time. >> so what is happening in your emergency rooms? what is the weight of this on your emergency rooms right now? >> it's huge. it's really significant in that we are just in the start of our flu season, so not only are we seeing flu and other respiratory viruses that we usually see during the winter season, on top of that, we're seeing huge numbers of children coming in with covid as well. this is on top of shortages and nursing shortages and physicians, people who are out because they've been exposed or because they've been infected with covid. this has been a really significant challenge for emergency rooms. >> can you explain what you're seeing most in terms of how the omicron variant is presenting in children? because i think that might be helpful for parents to know if, yeah, this is something we should be bringing our kids to the e.r. for. >> i think the challenge is it's really looking like many other viral illnesses, so we're seeing children presenting with fever, cough, congestion, runny nose, and, you know, those are very similar symptoms to what we see with the flu, what we see with rhino virus and many other viruss that we see. so it is often really challenging to tell if it is, in fact, covid. >> i was struck by your observation that a lot of people are coming to the e.r. and bringing their children to the e.r. to be tested for covid just to travel and that that is a real weight on you guys. >> it is. and i think one message that's really important for parents to understand is that, you know, we are there for any children who are ill, for families who are concerned about their children, and we want to be able to take excellent care of everyone who presents. the e.r. is not the place for anyone who does not have symptoms, anyone who needs testing for travel. it is a place where they can be exposed, and i think it's very risky. but the challenge is finding testing sites, and i think that's why e.r.s have kind of dealt with these additional challenges of patients who just need testing. >> the administration has been more clear this week about the testing failure for this country, and they're trying to do something about it, ordering half a billion tests, but i wonder what your message is to the federal government right now. is that the number-one thing that you guys need, is just more tests? or is there something else that would be most helpful at this point? >> i think more tests absolutely is really important. in addition to that, vaccine mandates. i think the more people who can get vaccinated, the more protection there will be. ultimately, i'd love to see children under 5 being vaccinated. i know there are trials going on now for that. in the meantime, the best way to protect those children is by everyone wearing masks and by everyone who is able to be vaccinated getting vaccinated. >> we just heard from the head of one of the teachers unions that it looks like they're going to move toward supporting mandatory student vaccinations, which would be a huge deal if that happens. thank you very, very much. >> thanks so much, poppy. great to be here. president biden will speak today with russian president vladimir putin just a few hours from now. the call will take place, notably the second call in a month between the two world leaders and it comes amid growing tension over russia's military buildup near ukraine's border. it also comes ahead of bilateral talks between u.s. and russian officials. those will take place on january the 10th. our white house correspondent john harwood and allegeso barba starr join us. john, putin requested the call. can you set the expectations for what they'll talk about? >> reporter: the administration is pretty careful in briefing reporters yesterday not to raise expectations about the call. you know, on the surface level, with the previous call a couple weeks ago, president biden laid out a series of consequences for vladimir putin that would result if he invaded ukraine again. the fact that putin was initiating a call you would say, oh, well, he wants to negotiate. the white house was not setting that expectation. they're saying anytime he wants to talk to us, we say yes. anytime we want to talk to him, we say yes. we don't know. there's a well-established record of aggression by vladimir putin trying to make up some of the lost power and influence that russia has suffered over the past couple decades after the demise of the soviet union. he invaded georgia under the george w. bush administration, annexed crimea under the biden administration, still has it, and now 100,000 troops on the ukraine border. no serious sign of december escalation. but there are talks in geneva last week between the u.s. and russian counterparts involving nato. all of those entities will be participating in discussions. so it is possible that vladimir putin wants to explore a diplomatic off-ramp that president biden may be offering to de-escalate tensions, to provide some assurances to russia that nato is not seeking to encroach on russian sovereignty. but we simply don't know that that's the case. i think we'll find out more after this call and in those talks next week. >> certainly. barbara, you have new reporting on the u.s. air force flying that reconnaissance mission over eastern ukraine earlier this week. what can you tell us? >> reporter: this, poppy, happened on monday. it's a u.s. air force reconnaissance aircraft that is highly capable of collecting intelligence, if you will, on ground movements. it can -- with its sensor package, it can see out, if you will, about 20,000 square miles. so from eastern ukraine, depending on its route, which is classified, it could have had a very close look at what the russian positions were and what was going on. every expectation there will be more of these flights. the russians are well aware of u.s. capabilities in this kind of thing. they know that the u.s. is looking at them, looking at those 100,000 forces, seeing where they are, trying to assess their movements, trying to aesz their readiness. but what is interesting is vladimir putin has made it very clear he doesn't want to see any u.s. or coalition, nato military assets in eastern ukraine, anybody near the russian border. these flights do put a military capability of the americans near that border, but, you know, even with putin's objections, the russians are well aware going into this phone call that the u.s. has had a very close look at them and the u.s. now will have the freshest intelligence about what it thinks may be going on on the ground. poppy? >> barbara, thank you for that reporting. john harwood, thanks for the reporting at the white house as well. let me bring in cnn national security analyst and former secretary of the national intelligence area. given the bilateral talks scheduled for 10th of january which putin and biden won't be on but they're high level, what do you think the goal is in requesting this second call in a month with biden? >> we don't know. there's one of two options. one is he's trying to find a way out of this ratchetting up that is clearly on him. the other is he's going to set a series of conditions that are unacceptable to the white house. but i'm inclined to believe this buildup was a distraction from putin's own internal domestic problems as well as the sanctions that have been ongoing from the biden administration in response to the election and other areas where he has been disrupting the u.s. a war in ukraine, it's not, like, the russians would love it. it would be very difficult. it would be challenging. there would be a strong resistance movement. nato is clearly unify preponderance of the evidence so this may be -- the biden white house has been sort of slow-burn brilliant in the sense they sort of brought it to this moment. one would hope putin is ready to back down at this stage and biden would need to give him an off-ramp acceptable to him. that's probably what you're going to see today. >> u.s. secretary of state antony blinken had a phone call yesterday with the president of ukraine, spoke with british officials, french officials, german officials. how important is it for the united states to have a united front across the board right now not only with ukraine but with other leaders in western europe? >> i mean, this has been the strategy by the biden white house from the beginning of the buildup. it really was smart on their part in terms of both -- a couple things. one is they exposed it very, very early, so they've been talking about the buildup. it's not been a surprise. getting a unified front. keeping nato in line, important given some of the tensions coming out of the trump administration, and even if you look at what they've done with this phone call, they immediately go public and say yes, he wants to talk to us. it is a strategy of transparency that then leads russia and the russian leadership with few options. so it's been -- we've come to this moment. one hopes it's a good moment today or at least one that doesn't get us to the brink. and that is because of a longish strategy by the white house to unify, expose, be transparent, and say that the options for russia are not great. a war in ukraine, it's not like, you know -- you're thinking more afghanistan for them than anything that would be relatively easy at this stage. >> the guarantee that putin wants is not just a verbal guarantee from biden that nato won't move further east and into ukraine. it's a written guarantee. the white house has said, as john harwood reported, that's completely off the table. there was a report produced earlier this month by the critical threats project at the american enterprise institute. "putin may be attempting a strategic misdirection that impales the west in a diplomatic process and military planning cycle that will keep it unprepared." there have been no tangible signs of de-escalation on the russia-ukraine border. they said they pulled back and weren't near the border. there's that. you still think the u.s. and nato have been quite successful to date. >> given the options available, given what putin wanted to do, the fact that there has been at least a status quo for some time is good. that's actually success, is that you're going to delay the possibility or delay any move on his part, bring him to a moment where he realizes his options are relatively limited. then the responsibility of the white house as one has to do is to hopefully give him an off-ramp that he can then take home to a very, very conflicting domestic audience, much like ours. i mean, it's not a monolith there. what's most important is then get to the issues that are of particular relevance to the united states and russia, which is the ones we've been talking about in the last couple years, the disruption of cybersecurity, of infrastructure, of voting, the kinds of things that are really of importance for america's security in the future. >> juliet, always great to have you. thanks very much. happy new year. >> happy new year to you. have a good one. >> let's hope. next, the woman who helped jeffrey epstein abuse young girls for years could now spend the rest of her life behind bars. what is next as ghislaine maxwell awaits her sentence. plus, stunning images out of china where the government has taken to publicly shaming people who break covid protocols, parading them around in hazmat suits with photos of their faces plastered on the front. 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i think jurors, you know, were told to use their common sense by prosecutor maureen comey about that money, about what the real narrative could possibly be, and that's what they did. you mentioned kindly my new project, vicky ward investigates." i did reproduce the entire transcript of the transcript i had with ghislaine maxwell in 20002 about annie farmer's allegations, because i think it reveals what wasn't revealed in the courtroom. it reveals a very entitled mentality. she asked why i would believe strangers over her. she told me that annie farmer and her sister had been the beneficiaries of extraordinary generosity by jeffrey epstein. and i think that right there shows the value system that prosecutors did manage to put their finger on, even if we didn't hear from ghislaine maxwell herself. >> i think for a lot of people, because i don't believe the interview with annie farmer was in your 2003 profile, so for a lot of people, that will be illuminating for them to see it in its entirety if your newsletter. i wonder what you think about what is the hope of a lot of these victims, including virginia giuffre, and that is that this is just the beginning. do you believe now prosecutors have enough and will go against others complicit in this, involved in the abuse? >> right. so, i mean, yes. we already know, right, virginia giuffre has her own civil dispute with prince andrew. we know that the u.s. virgin islands is suing the epstein estate and that, you know, that may be of all the upcoming litigation, will focus on the mystery of jeffrey epstein's money, which is hugely important, poppy, because without money, none of this sexual abuse could have taken place. and we done know who was paying jeffrey epstein. we don't know why. he remains a figure of mystery as well as a criminal. there are all those mentioned in this trial of the big names, prince andrew, donald trump, bill clinton, flying on jeffrey epstein's plane. we have photographs of him at the dell castro. the question is what were all those men doing around this guy? how complicit were they? a lot of them have denied any affiliation. a lot of very well-known names were hanging out with jeffrey epstein even after he was a convicted sex offender. we also have in terms of what litigation that could be revealing the upcoming battle between david boies, who represented some of these victims, and alan dershowitz, who's been accused by virginia giuffre. he's countersued, denied that. that legal battle could potentially also be revealing about the other big male names it could bring in. >> wow. >> so, you know, it is a beginning. it's an inflection point. it is not an end. it is a beginning. >> vicky ward, thank you for being here and for your reporting on this for nearly two dec dec de decades. i encourage people to watch your special and read your news letter. thanks for the time this morning. >> thank you so much. next, some new year's eve events are canceled or scaled down. the testing shortage and hospitals overwhelmed. how did we get back here? 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my next guest wrote a piece for "the athletic" questioning what we've learned if anything since march of 2020, saying we keep making the same pandemic mistakes over and over again. why? why? why do we keep making the mistakes over and over again? >> yeah. thank you for having me. and, you know, it's a great and complicated question. i think honestly the biggest overarching thing here is that we keep coming back to single, one-stop solutions as a country. you know, americans, it's very easy for us to get locked into an individualistic mind-set, how does this benefit me, rather than focusing on collective issues. it's easy for us to look at solutions as panaceas. if i take this vaccine, i'm set. if i just, you know, take this one test, i'm set. and i think these are the same things we encounter over and over again. these are easy messages to hear, but they're not the right way out of this pandemic, which is a collective problem, a collective threat that we have to tackle together with layers of protections that we keep using in tandem. >> i think that really gets to a point that struck me in the article is that you talk about, you know, the fact that we are making this mistake of repeatedly treating vaccines as a panacea, sort of an all or nothing shield against the infection and what we've seen with omicron is you can still i get it if you're vaccinated, right? you're not going to get as sick, probably not going to go to the hospital, not going to die from it, but i wonder how important you think this moment is in helping people understand even if you are vaccinated you need to take these other precautions. >> absolutely. i think people can't hear this enough. this is not just an issue in the age of omicron. you are seeing this with delta. we were seeing this even predelta. the vaccines were really never designed to be, you know, impenetrable shields against the virus. that's not a bar that we've been able to meet for pretty much any vaccine in history, not sustainably, not permanently. that's not really how this works. if we think back to the summer of 2020, some 400,000 years ago, the original bar for this vaccine was lowering the chance of disease or severe disease by 50%. the vaccines blew that out of the water and seemed like they were doing amazing things against infection and transmission for quite some time. but, you know, those protections naturally ebb a little bit. what is sturdy is protection against severe disease, and we are seeing that to an extraordinary degree. that is durable protection and is still protecting people against omicron. i think a better way to think about this is, you know, if we are all going to encounter this virus at some point, how can we prepare our bodies to fight that infection off once it occurs? >> what can we do? >> well, certainly getting vaccinated is the first step, but again, it's the first step that really needs to be combined with infection prevention measures, masking, staying away from large indoor social gatherings, being really continue, of who else is around us, who is vulnerable, testing when people are feeling sick or they've been exposed and being conscientious at this time. none of these things are going to work in isolation. none of those things i just listed are panaceas by themselves, but in tandem they can make a huge difference. >> a great piece and so important right now. you also dive into the cdc's -- some of their missteps from the beginning of the pandemic and lessons to be learned there. thanks very much. next, a federal judge throws out a lawsuit against a former saudi intelligence official who says he was the target of the crown prince. it's a remarkable story. why the justice department claimed the case could reveal state secrets. introducing the all-new gillettelabs with exfoliating bar. it combines shaving and gentle exfoliation into one efficient stroke, for a shave as quick and easy as washing your face. among my patients, i often see them have teeth sensitivity as well as gum issues. does it worry me? 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