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jesus himself to help us answer who really was john the baptist? ♪ >> the deserts in the first century. a wild place at the fringes of the roman empire. the promise of a new savior. his name is john the baptist. >> john the baptist is the first chapter to the long and amazing story of jesus. >> he tees it up for jesus to come and be the true maessiah. >> he comes with a fire and he wants people to feel it here. who are you? are you safe? why do you come here? he questions their motives. this is an intense figure out in the wilderness and the wilderness is where things really happen spiritually. >> he's a mysterious figure. he's strange and he's out there. >> he's dressed in this very, very old way and slightly dangerous and scary. today the unique appeal of this profit has been loss to history. who was this fiery creature who would har rold the coming of the messiah and what was it that drew jesus to it? now science joins history in a new quest in the future it may be possible to establish a blood link between john and jesus. today their mission is to test fragments of bones believed to be jonhn's. >> for the first time in history, we are able to place the relics of proper time and dates. palestine in the first century is buzzing with prophets. they follow in the traditions of old testament preachers, men like eisaiah and elijah. one voice is louder and reaches further than any other. even though john the baptist bathes himself at the edge of the wilderness, people come far and wide to hear his uncompromising message. >> geographically speaking, he's from the margins. he goes out away from the center of power to the wilderness and draws people to himself. >> it may seem to us obvious that jesus is more important but at the time if we been alive, we would know the name john the baptist but we do not know the name of jesus. >> john now condemns the religious establishment. >> my god, john was angry of the aristocracy. >> the gospel recounts his passionate belief that the end of the world is close. >> with it the coming of the new messiah. to prepare themselves, john urges people to repent and cleanse their sins. to do that, they must be ba baptized. >> to encounter john and the wilderness is to encounter a person who's bringing to your eyes the fact that you have sin and fall short of god's best for you. you have by golly repent. >> john is like an apocolyptic creature. he really is the sort of preach of coming judgment. >> kingdom of his intent. rep repent. >> in the centuries after his death, john the baptist's bones began spreading out. early christians see a physical connection with a man sees such a decisive role in the life of jesus. >> his relics -- his hands and arms seem to be important because he points to jesus during the baptism. by the 15th century, there are over 200 relics of john the baptist across europe. far more than could possibly be genuine. whether authentic or not, each piece is a clue to the growth of the early church using carbondating and dna technique. the vast majority of the material, the relics will be tested and probably not going to fall into the period which historically we would expect. this is the first step in the big project in which we are looking at other similar relics, and getting data from them and find more about who these people were and where they came from. the ambitious project to draw the historical map across europe begins in bulgaria in 2010 with an excavation that makes headlines around the world. >> buried beneath the ruins orthodox christian deldsdicated john the baptist, a box believed to contain relics of his bones. >> the first time we use scientific technique of a relic found in a place that had liable context. when the results of the carbonating finally came in, they discovered something remarkable. >> my jaw wu down on the ground. >> you can see the date fits right in that margin. >> 30 a.d., a date consistent with john the baptist. the dna results go further 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[upbeat acoustic music throughout] mary the mother of jesus and elizabeth, the mother of john the baptist is being relative. and that means something like cousins. not all the gospels mention the episode but in luke, the story begins when one nieght jesus' mother, mary, is visited by an angel. do not be afraid or you have found favor with god. you will conceive in your womb and bear a son and you will name him jesus. >> mary could not believe the angel's message since she's still a virgin. the child to be born will be holy. he'll be called son of god. when mary was told that she's carrying the messiah, she's shocked and surprised. she's feeling umg hbl and unworthy of this kind of great honor but she's willing to accept it. >> luke describes how the angel gabriel and reveals to mary that her cousin is also pregnant. mary sets outs on a 70 mile journey to find her cousin in the hill country. she comes to visit her cousin elizabeth. the one person she can really talk to about this unusual turn of events of her life. by traditions she would have come here, perhaps she hurries along a street like this looking forward to be with her cousin with whom she can share this amazing secret. >> elizabeth tells mary how despite being too old toll conceive, she really is now six months pregnant. >> as soon as i heard the sound of your grieving, the child many my womb leaps for joy. >> they're both pregnant and we can imagine there is a rapport between these women. there is an attempt to portray john as the forerunner to prepare the wave for the lord, the lord being jesus himself. >> 2,000 years on, the possibility and john and jesus are related triggered the investigation into the study of john the baptist. with their ongoing quest to trace how relics are scattered, british researchers have come to the atkin museum in kansas city, missouri. >> they want to analyze the ancient treasure. could it come from the same individual as the bulgaria find. >> this is containing the relic. >> what's exciting about the kansas baptist relic is we got to compare the radio carbonated with the ones we obtained in bulgaria. >> the bones have been identified as a human bone. >> it has connections with the german lord. we know that he requested relics, it's possible that he may have origins much older than that. >> should we get the bones out and look at it now? >> dating back in the 14th century. for the reserver is how to remove the bone from its casing. when they try to ex trap the bones, tlas phere is a problem. >> that means tom will struggle to reach the central part of it is finger containing collagen. the most reliable materials for carbonating. it's tricky to get a decent size sample. >> we are battling around curators not to take too much and scientific requirements in order to get enough. 2,000 years earlier, john the baptist's magnetic preacher continues to pull in the krcrow. one of those drawn here is a man who'll change the course of john's life and the course of history. 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jesus dismiss es john. his baptism will be like no other. i think the baptism by john is as crucial part of the story, it tells us if nothing else that jesus absolutely endorse what john was doing. >> he may be revealed to israel. and it means that he endorsed john's message. >> he saw the heavens torn apart and the spirit descending like a dove on him and a voice came from heaven, you are my son. the beloved, with you, i am well pleased. now he feels the call to go spread his message. this is the beginning of jesus's ministry. >> when they met. when john the baptist's charisma and his preaching ability and his criticisms of the powers of the day when all of that hit je jesus' ears, i imagine it sparks all of that ability to preach that jesus had and launched him into his ministry. >> but, for biblical historians, there is a dilemma. there is something that's not being said here. all the gospels emphasized that john the subordinated to jesus and yet he's the one doing the baptizing. the gospel sees this and trying to tackle this problem of jesus being baptized and indicating jesus was in a subordinating position which was a problem for the early church. for all the attempts for by the gospel rider, what's certain is ultimately it's jesus' movement that survived and prospered. >> one of the great lines of john the baptist, john still has his ministry, his disciples is saying to him, look everyone is going over to jesus for baptism and john says i must decrease and he must increase. >> that amazing humility of john to know that he's about jesus and not about himself. to me is a witness of humility. jesus will never meet john again. but following his baptism, he takes a page of john's book and heads into the wilderness of his own journey of self-discovery. in the book it says in the wilderness prepares the way of the lord. they thought of that desert as wilderness and went out there and prefair for the coming of the lord for 40 days and nights, he goes without food. he has been touched by god. now he must face the devil. >> according to the gospel, the devil takes jesus aside and te m mpts him in three different ways. first he tempts him to turn rock into bread because he knows jesus had not eaten. >> jesus cast away with the words "it's written, one does not live by bread alone." the next one he offers him power. he offers him control overall the kim kipgngdoms of the world. >> worship the lord your god and serve only him. the third temptation he takes into the pinnacle of the highest point. >> it's said do not put the lord your god to the test. >> we know that jesus does not fold. but if it had been me, you would lost me at turning stones in top bread and just imagine if you can get past this with temptation of hunger when you have not eaten for days. if he can make it through that trial, all the other ones are probably a piece of cake. john too is changed by his encounter with jesus. he propels his ministry towards his greatest confrontation yet. do you remember who this is? 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>> i see harrod was a divided soul. he was caught in between his ambition and his wife. >> a man insults your wife and you let him get away with it. >> hyou are not a man. you are a coward. >> she acts on her own desires and breaks laws. >> you are a wreck. >> humiliated by john. harrod is forced to put a stop to his verbal assault. he's arrested and everyn then jn will not be silenced. did you know that even after you sanitize a surface, every touch can leave new bacteria behind? that means, you could be right back where you started. break the cycle with microban 24. just spray once and your surfaces are protected against bacteria all day. microban keeps killing 99.9% of bacteria touch after touch for up to 24 hours. these leading disinfectants do not. use the sanitizer 4 out of 5 doctors would use in their own homes. microban 24. did you know some deodorants may not last all day? secret works immediately! and is designed to last for up to 48 hours. with secret, keep it fresh. available in over 10 amazing scents and aluminum free. secret. do i need to pretreat my laundry? 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>> for haretus, it's a chance she's been scheming for. >> give me the head of john the baptist. >> i think when john the baptist realizes that harrod is going to execute him, there is this astonishing sense of ending and conclusion, he knew as a prophet this is the completion of a pathetic call. >> the scientific quest to date the kansas finger bone attributed to john the baptist is reaching its climax. successful in retrieving enough material for an accurate reading at oxford university's archaeology research lab, they prepare the sample for the accelerator mass spectrometer. the machine will analyze the amount of radiocarbon in the sample and through that determine the relic's age. >> using scientific techniques now, for the first time it's really possible to build up a template of scientific similarities between different individuals to understand more about the movements and the passage of relics across this part of the world during the first millennium a.d. >> now, the scientists' work is done. they can only wait for a final answer. could this bone belong to john the baptist? 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>> you can see here is the -- the actual date, that it's between 661 to 770 a.d. >> right. >> so that's much younger than john the baptist. it's not john the baptist. >> so it's not the same finger that we looked at in bulgaria. >> no. it's about -- >> the result isn't surprising to me. there are many bones attributed to john the baptist, and they can't all be. in this particular case, using radiocarbon we've managed to show that the date from this particular bone is about six centuries later than it ought to be. >> we've tested now two relics of john the baptist. we've had one date from the first century. we've had one date from the 7th or 8th century, and we're just starting now to get a feel for what there is out there, so it's very exciting. it gives us a new bit of information, and i'm hopeful that we'll go forward from here, and we'll ask more questions, and we'll test more relics. >> for tom and georges, the investigation goes on. with as many as 200 relics associated with john the baptist, they hope they may once again find a piece that could be a match for him, bringing science closer to the man who may actually have been jesus' blood relation. >> the science does matter. even if a relic is 1,000 years old or 1,500 years old, venerating a relic maintains that connection with the tradition, with our past. >> we hear from the gospels that when jesus heard that john died, he actually withdrew into the wilderness and spent some time on his own. it was obviously a traumatic event in jesus' life. >> the idea of someone dear to you that had been beheaded must have struck his heart, but it didn't change anything about the mission. in fact, it must have emboldened him. >> jesus saw john as the catalyst for change, as the person who signaled that now was the hinge. now was the turning point in the story. >> john the baptist was, in a sense, a model for jesus in that he never compromised. >> the kingdom of heaven is at hand! >> and we see jesus in the same way even unto death. >> in mobilizing his followers to repent and turn towards god -- >> i'm not afraid of you! >> -- john the baptist had dared to speak truth unto power, and for this, he pays the ultimate price. >> i think he understood that he was a martyr. he was a martyr in the cause of something greater. he was a martyr in the cause of a beautiful kingdom of god on earth, which is what he had preached all his life. >> i see jesus and john as being very similar in terms of their conception of god, in terms of what they wanted people to do, in terms of their call for repentance, in this idea that the world would be transformed, and they're calling people really to start it in the here and now. >> in the wake of john's death, many of his followers turned to jesus as john's movement slowly declines, eclipsed by the new growing christian church, whose message spreads across the world. >> john's disciples are still around long after the death of jesus, but perhaps the biggest difference is that ultimately, in the early jesus movement, there is an appeal to gentiles, and as soon as the gentiles are converting to this new movement, we get a much more successful global kind of mission. >> but john's voice can still be heard in a very direct way, through one of jesus' most famous teachings, the lord's prayer itself. >> father, hallowed be your name. >> the words spoken by jesus were directly inspired by john. >> give us this day our daily bread. >> forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone who's indebted to us. >> and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. judas iscariot, the man who betrays jesus in the most infamous act of treachery ever. >> judas is the embodiment of all wickedness, the most villainous person in human history. >> evil, demonic, the lowest of the low.

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