resolve to get it done in the new year? i'll request bernie sanders and pressley next. plus damning texts shed new light on the push to overturn the 2020 election, one of two republicans on the january 6th select house committee congressman adam kinzinger on where the investigation goes from here, ahead. i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is expecting to get covid. once again americans are waking up to news of postponements and cancellations, sports games, theatrical performances, holiday parties, schools, family plans, as covid-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths are rising again throughout the country. hospitalizations and deaths especially hitting the unvaccinated. new york city and washington, d.c., both reported two days of record high cases and health experts are warning of a tough month ahead. still the world in 2021 is different than it was in march 2020, officials say they are better prepared for the surge, they point to vaccines and boosters as the best way to control the virus and prevent serious illness. all true. and yet this fourth wave is exposing real weaknesses in how the u.s. has dealt with the virus especially when it comes to testing. on tuesday, we're told president bide listen give a speak on the omicron variant, not where he thought we would be a year ago when biden predicted christmas 2021 might feel close to normal. >> i believe we'll be awfully close to that if not there. it's not going to be quick but i think by next christmas close to normal. >> joining me the chief medical adviser to president biden, dr. anthony fauci. dr. fauci, thanks for joining us. if you could go back in time to president-elect biden in that clip, would you tell him that we need a bigger multinational effort to vaccinate the world so as to stop mutations? we need to flood the country with free at-home rapid testing? we need to enlist as many trump allies as possible to promote the vaccines and we should not declare independence from the virus in july even if things look good? >> well, i think i would say all of the above. the idea about hoping and having an aspiration to be independent of the virus after a period of time is understandable and reasonable, but the one thing that we know from now almost two years' experience with this virus that it is really unpredictable, retch very much so with the element of variance. multiple waves in our own country and throughout the world, first an al fashion then a delta and now an omicron. it really is something that is unprecedented when you think about the terms of outbreaks. so it is understandable how one could say they hope aspirationally to be at a certain point and find out you're not and the best thing to do then is to keep going and putting all your resources, including what you just mentioned, getting as many people vaccinated as we can and boosted now, because when you look at omicron and what it's doing, the protection from like a two-dose mrna vaccine is quite good particularly against severe disease but when you get to omicron, the protection significantly goes down, but the good news is when you boost someone, it goes right back up and that's the reason why there's such an emphasis on the part of all of us. i know i've been saying it every day multiple times a day, the importance of getting boosted, particularly in the situation that we're in with omicron. >> that's why some people say that the booster should now just be included as fully vaccinated, they want to change the definition so when people are fully vaccinated that means that after six months, they get the booster but the administration hasn't gone that far yet. should you? >> well, in some respects, chuck, it really is semantics. as far as i'm concerned, i make it very clear that if you want to be optimally protected, get boosted. whether the definition for legal and other purposes dealing with the osha situation that you have, that's a different story, but if you want to look at it and say when am i optimally protected there's no doubt that's when you get boosted. >> i know you're doing a round robin of all the sunday shows, just a reminder, i'm jake, not chuck. vice president harris told the "l.a. times" this week that the administration did not anticipate the variants. "we didn't see delta coming. i think most scientists stood on whose advice and protection we relied on didn't see delta coming, didn't see omicron coming. obviously nobody can anticipate the specific next variant to come, what the protein will look like et cetera but in a more general sense did you not see variants coming? >> we did, jake, we definitely saw variants coming. i think we referred to what was not anticipated was the extent of the mutations and the amino acid substitutions in omicron which is really unprecedented. it kind of came out of nowhere, you have a virus 50 mutations, to me it's really quite unprecedented so that's something you would not have anticipated, but we certainly were anticipating that there were going to be variants. when you have so many virus, so much replication going on in the community, if you give a virus enough opportunity to replicate, you know it's going to ultimately mutate and sometimes those mutations wind up being a new variant. that's exactly what happened with delta and certainly that's what happened with omicron. >> the biden administration does seem to be falling short when it comes to testing. as these cases are spiking, many americans are stuck in long lines, many pharmacies are sold out of the rapid at-home tests not to mention they're expensive. the white house mocked the idea of sending tests to every american. is the state of testing in the united states acceptable to you? >> well, we got to do better. we are doing better, if you look now compared to where we were a year ago, it's extraordinarily much different in the positive sense. we now have multiple, multiple at-home tests available, we virtually had none a year ago but we do need to do better. the government now the federal government has been investing now several billion dollars to make anywhere from $200 million t 200 million to 500 million tests a month. 10,000 centers will be giving out free tests, so we're going to be going in the right direction. and i've said that myself many times, jake, that we really need to flood the system with testing. we need to have tests available for anyone who wants them particularly when we're in a situation right now, people are going to be gathering even though they are vaccinated and boosted, they may want to go that extra step, that extra mile to know that when we have people coming into the home, or going someplace that you could know in 15 minutes whether or not you're positive. >> president biden said the unvaccinated are "looking at a winter of severe illness and death." michael ostorholm said a viral blizzard is coming. do you expect record high numbers for cases and what about hospitalizations and deaths? >> well, unfortunately, jake, i think that is going to happen. we are going to see a significant stress in some regions of the country on the hospital system, particularly in those areas where you have a low level of vaccination, which is one of the reasons why we continue to stress the importance of getting those unvaccinated people vaccinated. this virus is extraordinary. it has a doubling time of anywhere from two to three days. right now, in certain regions of the country 50% of the isolates are omicron, which means it's going to take over and if you look at what it's done in south africa, what it's doing in the uk, and what it's starting to do right now, the president is correct. i mean, i was with him when he said that, and i spoke to him about that, that we are going to be in for some serious difficulties right now, and we better be doing more to mitigate against that, and it's never too late to get vaccinated, and if you're vaccinated, go get boosted and be prudent in everything else you do, when you travel in your indoor settings that are congregate, wear a mask. it's going to be tough. we can't walk away from that, jake, we can't, because with omicron, that we're dealing with, it is going to be a tough few weeks to months as we get deeper into the winter. >> for individuals who are vaccinated and boosted, what are we supposed to do? should schools close if all the students and teachers are vaccinated and in the case of the teachers boosted? i mean, we saw the intense damage done to kids educationally, psychologically, emotionally when schools shut down or went to 100% virtual learning. what are you recommending? >> well, right now we can keep the children in school safely, jake. we can do that. we brought like 99% of the schools are open now. we're in a very difficult situation. what the cdc came out with literally just a day or two ago was to test to stay situation, where it does work, where if you are exposed to a child in a school, rather than having to quarantine or take all the children out of school, you can test the children and if they are negative, they can stay in school. we are trying as best as we possibly can to keep the schools open for the reasons that you just gave correctly of the del del de delitirious effects of closing the schools down. >> pfizer says 2 to 5-year-olds no vaccine approved for them z not produce enough immune response. pfizer is studying whether to give the children a third dose. what does that mean for the time line for shots in the arms of kids 2 to 5, do you think those kids this age will be fully vaccinated in time for school next fall? >> well certainly next fall i believe they will. right now we were hoping to get the younger group that you just mentioned vaccinated clearly in the first quarter of 2022. right now saying it is likely a throe dose regimen for the children is clearly going to delay the availability of vaccines for children in that age group, so it likely will not be until we enter the second quarter of 2022. not quite sure, but when you're going and pulling back and saying we have to rethink this, we want to make sure we get it right, we want the children optimally protected, and if that requires a three-dose regimen for the children, it is going to prolong the time until we get the full approval for those children. >> for people who have done everything right for the last two years according to what the health officials have said out there, people who are vaccinated, people who are boosted, people who wear masks when they're indoors, among a lot of people, and they feel feel frustrated and deflated about what's happening, can you explain what the goal is right now? are we just trying to take a pause to get a handle on the omicron variant, trying to protect the millions of unvaccinated? what are we trying to do here? >> well, first of all, we're trying to get a veil of protection over the country with vaccination that's optimum. we still have about 50 million people who are unvaccinated who are eligible to be vaccinated. but we've got to realize that it is more than just getting vaccination. vaccination is an absolutely essential part of this process, but there are other things and that's the reason why we stress the idea about masking and testing. people think that vaccine is the answer to everything. we can't do it without vaccines, jake, but we can do a lot more with other things, and testing, for example, both yourself and your family, go out into the community or people over your own house and that's the reason why we're stressing and part of the president's winter plan is expanding greatly the availability of testing for people, particularly the point of care that you can do yourself and get a result in 15 minutes. >> okay. >> so it's more than one thing. it's a comprehensive approach. >> got it, dr. anthony fauci, thank you so much. merry christmas to you and your family and best wishes for 2022. i hope we put this pandemic behind us. >> thank you very much, jake. thank you for having me. do mask mandates unfairly punish those who are vaccinated? 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i understand i don't want to talk about the mandates but willingness why are so many republicans unwilling to do so. >> school teachers and nurses are concerned getting the vaccine because they might get pregnant. no data to support that. we tell them to talk to their daughters and be smart about it. i don't think it's a party thing or political thing. it has to be a personal choice of course. i think the media, not to put the blame anywhere, i think we all as a society take a bit of the blame in terms of polarizing and politicizing something that shouldn't be. it should be data driven. we watch data and trends, we're incredibly transparent among television showing folks who data we're looking at. i tend not to look at it as republican versus democrat thing. as a country, we all have to get on board, get vaccinated and get our boosters and making sure we're promoting the positive message. >> more than 200,000 children and their families in new hampshire are receiving more than $53 million in federal child tax credits every month as you know . >> so it's knots just about supporting one child tax credit or another. it's about making sure that the opportunities here, that's what governors are designed to do, create doors of opportunity. so again, if washington wants to push another child tax credit, i don't have a problem with that. this build back better bill is an absolute disaster. they don't know how to implement the infrastructure bill. washington is about pushing this money up for political reasons. at the end of the day you have to make sure every state has the right balance. i'm not speaking for new york or california or massachusetts. i can tell you what's happening in new hampshire, we have a lot of opportunity, we have economic opportunity and i think a lot of the focus as opposed to a child tax credit needs to go to child care, making sure that the nurses and the teachers can have a place for their kids to get supported. we have a lot of rental assistance but we don't have a rental assistance problem. i want that money turned into more actual bricks and mortar housing, trying to get washington to get flexiblity there. washington can set the opportunities but leave it to the states to have the flexibility to build the systems to best meet their needs. >> skyrocketing home heating costs another major issue for new hampshire residents. the government estimates americans will spend 30% more to heat their homes this winter. how concerned are you about this for the good citizens of new hampshire and what more would you like the biden administration to do to help? >> absolutely huge, huge issue in new hampshire all across the upper midwest of the country as well. these inflationary prices are having an absolute crippling effect on individuals. if you're elderly and on fixed income, you're nervous about how you'll heat your home. if you're a lower or moderate income family, you're worried about the fact you got to pay $3.75 a gallon or heating oil. you get a domino reaction of bad effects. folks that wait longer to ask for the delivery, we have a shortage of cdl drivers at the same time, a lot of folks are paying more and the deliveries are coming late. the issue is about inflation. the issue is, when i talk directly to the president when he visited a couple weeks ago, we need to open up more opportunities on fuel, on opportunities in new england we're at the end of the line. we don't drill for our own oil or natural gas so all of our natural gas and oil come directly through new york frankly. so the prices tend to be a little bit higher here and hit folks even harder and folks that really can't afford it, whether you're wealthy or you're on a lower income scale you got to pay $3.50 at the gas pump and that translates to home heating fuel. >> we're almost out of time. you supported then president trump in 2020, teasing another run in 2024. can he count on your support if he decides to run or are you keeping your mind open? >> not looking at '24. if you spend your time looking at what happened in 2020 and yul of your time think being 2024, we'll miss 2022 as a republican party. you have to inspire new folks to step up to run from governor to the town planning board. you want folks that believe in the local control that believe in contributing as opposed to the polarization you see in politics, so not even considering '24. i think if we do that whether you're democrat or republican, you're really missing the boat. my job is to manage today. i got covid, inflation, i got home heating oil, issues to deal with, i have hospitals that are really at capacity, we're managing this kind of stuff every single day. i don't want to say i don't care about '24 but the furthest thing down on the priority list as you can imagine. >> i hear you. governor sununu, thank you for your time today. i appreciate it. president biden's big policy priority is the safety net bill. it appears dead according to joe manchin this morning. he said he's a hard no. senator bernie sanders is here to respond next. better. 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>> as i've indicated we're taking on not just joe manchin, do you know how much money the pharmaceutical industry has spent in the last year on lobbying alone? over $300 million plus campaign contributions and advertising. fossil fuel industry is spending a for ttune. we have a corrupt political system dominated by big money interests. some of us are saying stand up for working families, average workers inflation accounted for dollars in 45 years and the rich are becoming richer, corporate profits at an all-time high. what some of us are saying maybe, maybe will tan up for working families for a change but apparently we don't have the 50 votes that we need. we take that message right into the 2022, with the exception of one or two people which party is prepared to do the right thing for the elderly and the children. we talk about kids. i want everybody to know if mr. manchin votes no the $300 tax credits that have gone a long way to reduce childhood poverty in america are gone, that's over. we cut childhood poverty by over 40%, an extraordinary accomplishment. manchin doesn't want to do that. tell that to the struggling families of west virginia and america. >> you're suggesting he doesn't have the guts to stand up for working families to take on the money interests if senator manchin were here he would say my state is a state that voted overwhelmingly for donald trump. what i'm doing and going after and opposing this legislation will be popular and manchin has said he thinks all this money he's saying all this money is going to make inflation worse. >> i told joe manchin -- let me talk about joe manchin voted for a huge increase in military spending. manchin voted for an infrastructure bill which added $250 billion to the deficit. if you look at the military budget $770 billion times that by ten years it is four times higher than what the build back better plan is. mr. manchin is representing the people of west virginia. why don't do you a poll, cnn do a poll and you ask the people of west virginia whether or not they want to lower the cost of prescription drugs. you ask them whether they want to expand medicare, to cover dental, hearing and eye glasses. you ask them whether they want to continue the $300 payment to help working parents in these very difficult times bring up their kids with dignity. ask them if they want to deal with climate change. on all issues i suspect people like west virginia like every other state will say do the right thing for working families. i told manchin i'll pay for the damned poll in west virginia. see how the people of west virginia feel >> is there a strategy foorward a way to pass part of the legislation piecemeal, assuming joe manchin is one of 51 who vote against it? >> the problem you need 60 votes, no support from republicans to pass standing legislation. so it has to be done through reconciliation. so i haven't thought about that yet. but all i do know is that the dividing line in this country is going to be very clear. on one side of the equation, you're going to have republicans, i suspect mr. manchin who say yes it's okay. we don't have to deal with the fact that billionaires in some cases don't pay a nickel in federal taxes. we don't have to deal with climate change, we don't have to deal with childhood poverty and the high cost of prescriptoin drugs and on the other side we do. we need a lot more than 50 democrats in the united states senate. >> there was this deal making that went on before this because there was the bipartisan infrastructure deal the biden administration wanted and so did moderates and democrats and also some republicans and then there was the build back better act and progressives were, they wanted them both passed in tandem. you wanted them passed in tandem and this agreement pass infrastructure and we'll get to build back better and president biden said he would get the 50 votes so in retrospect, was it a mistake to do that deal? >> well, you know, the people i and people in the house who said that they have to go in tandem for precisely this reason, because we feared very much not that we were against a strong infrastructure bill. i wanted that very, very much. but we understood that if we didn't keep it together, there would be those who would pass the infrastructure bill and not deal with the needs of the working class and the middle class of this country. that was the fear. that fear if manchin continues along this path, turned out to be justified. >> senator manchin is opposed to getting rid of the filibuster, something a lot of progressives want to do, only takes 51 votes instead of 60 to pass legislation. what's your message to the millions of americans who were hoping for the enhanced child tax credit extension, new child care programs, health care subsidies, paid family leave environmental measures, et cetera, is the biden agenda dead? >> well, let me say this also, when you talk about getting rid of the filibuster. on top of all of that, jake, we have the issue of protecting american democracy and stop what republican governors and legislatures are doing all over this country and that is denying people of color, people with disabilities, young people, older people the right to participate in our democracy. what is terribly important is that we pass the voting rights bill that we have been discussing for a number of months now to say that states all over this country cannot deny people the right to vote. trump has propagated this big lie and a lot of legislators picked it up and are really now trying very hard to suppress the vote, go forward with extreme gerrymandering and we need the 50 votes. if manchin doesn't want to do that what he's really saying to the american people, it's okay, democracy and the preservation of the foundations of american democracy the right of one person, one vote, that's not very important. i don't know where he's coming from on that but that would be a tragedy as well. >> last question, shir, a lot o young voters are worried about climate change and this bill in o all likelihood the last best hope to pass something that would deal with climate change at least in the near future. what's your message to all these young people who might be incredibly disappointed and deflated and think politics isn't worth it? >> well, i think they're going to have to rise up and understand that politics is exactly where it is and to tell the republican party and the manchins of the world that they want a planet that is healthy and is habitable and they've got to continue the fight and have to make sure that we are electing members of the house, members of the senate all over this country who understand what the scientists are telling us is right. we have to act boldly right now to transform our energy system. so the answer is don't give up. get even more involved than you have been. >> you were just in michigan rallying with kellogg's workers on strike, union members are poised to vote today on a possible agreement to increase wages by $1.10 per hour and cost of living adjustment. do you support the new deal? do you think the biden administration is doing everything they can to help these workers or can they do more? >> i was proud to be there, because what kellogg's has done is exactly the kind of corporate greed that we're seeing all across this country. they give their ceo $12 million in salary in compensation yet they have a two-tier wage system where younger workers earn substantially less than older workers and fewer benefits and meanwhile they are continuing their effort to send good-paying jobs to mexico. so i was delighted because out of the great people on strike for over two months, they have lost their health care, they are standing up to the greed of this corporation, kellogg's, but they really representing working people all thoeover this countr ceos making a fortune with cutbacks on the needs of workers. >> thank you, good to see you, happy holidays and happy new year. when president biden asked house democrats to pass his infrastructure bill and trust him on the rest, six said no deal, and now say no deal. congresswoman pressley of massachusetts is next. hospital in the world.lian bringing free surgeries to people who have no other hope. $19 a month will help provide urgently needed surgery for so many still suffering. so don't wait, call the number on your screen. or donate at mercyships.org. ♪ ♪ cases of anxiety in young adults are rising as experts warn of the effects on well-being caused by the pandemic. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ earn about covid-19, the more questions we have. the biggest question now, what's next? what will covid bring in six months, a year? if you're feeling anxious about the future, you're not alone. calhope offers free covid-19 emotional support. call 833-317-4673, or live chat at calhope.org today. believes that former texas governor and trump energy secretary rick perry sent that text, perry denies it even though cnn confirmed the texts did come from perry's phone number. joining me one of only two republicans on the january 6th house select committee congressman adam kinzinger, republican of illinois. thanks for joining us. i know you can't confirm or deny that that text came from rick perry's phone but is the committee planning on bringing perry in before the committee to answer questions? >> well, i think if we do that, if we decide he's somebody we want to talk to that he can provide information that one of the 300 other witnesses we've interviewed so far haven't, i think certainly that would be on the table, but here's an interesting thing regardless of where that text came from because i can't confirm or deny thinking you look at no matter all the numbers of texts that are coming out or what people have been saying you get a peek into the window of their world didn't seem like a lot were saying let's figure out who got the most votes and declare that person president. it was everybody with this new kind of scheme and trick to get around the constitution or to use a technicality of the constitution and i think we have to sometimes step back and say i do believe there are probably some real, did we break the law questions here, but bigger than that in my mind what does that say about the future of democracy? do we truly believe in it or is it all about win at any cost. >> the committee released remarkable texts sent to former chief of staff mark meadows while the capitol was under siege he gave to the committee, they came from politicians, fox personalities, even the president's own son pleading with meadows to get then president trump to call off that mob. explain why these texts don't just make for dramatic reading but are materially relevant to your investigation. >> so it's materially relevant for a number of reasons. obviously we have a trail of mark meadows being aware of what was happening at the an kohl. not just maybe i knew, maybe i watched the news. everybody knew that wasn't true but you now have proof of it. people pleading for him to get the president to be involved because the president for something like 182 minutes nobody heard from him, nobody knew what he was up to, despite this being all over the news and we know he watches the news. i also think it's important particularly with the fox news side of things is they went on tv that night some of those people and said this may be antifa, this may be the fbi. and in the last ten months have continued that narrative so they had such a chummy relationship with the chief of staff of the president and in some texts said this is making us look bad, not this is making you look bad or america look bad, this is making us, collectively, in our movement look bad. and so for the next ten months, they're going to on face ind obfiscate. >> i want to play what congresswoman liz cheney said this week. >> did donald trump through action action or inaction obstruct or impede congress's official proceedings to count electoral votes? >> in that question she seems to be referencing the language in a legal statute, whoever corrupts or impedes any official proceeding or attempts to do so shalling fined or imprisoned not more than 20 years or both, quote/end quote. do you believe donald trump committed a crime and that's something the committee is specifically investigating? >> i don't want to go there yet to say do i believe he has, because i think that's obviously a big thing to say. we want to know by the end of our investigation and by the time the report is out, have a good idea. we'll have on the department record what justice needs in push suit of that. nobody, jake, is above the law, nobody. not the president, he's not a king. not former presidents, they're not former kings. nobody is above the law. if the president knowingly allowed what happened on january 6 and to happen and in fact was giddy about it, and that violates a criminal statute, he should be held accountable for that. i'm not ready to go there yet but i sure tell you, i have a lot of questions about what the president was up to. >> so you are looking into that? >> yeah, we're looking -- here's the thing with the report, january 6th is a very important day. we will get every bit of detail we can possibly get on that. what i think -- that's important for the president's role. but what i think is almost more important is what led up to january 6th? what is the rot in the democracy that allowed the 6th to happen? and have we corrected from that since? what really matters to me, i want to hold the people guilty accountable but i want to make sure this never happens again. yes, january 6th will be a failed trial one but sometimes the best is to get one to succeed, a coup that would exceed. >> republican congressman jim jordan acknowledged sending a text, forwarded it on from an official, saying how mike pence could allegedly reject electoral votes. obviously, as you know, that was a scheme set early in the show. and now he's ready to chair the committee next year if the republicans take back the house? >> can he credibly chair it? no. could he chair it, yes, and i think he likely will. two years ago or three years ago, the republican party saw these nonserious legislators, these bomb throwers, these let's just get attention not real contenders. what's kevin mccarthy been doing the last year? basically whatever marjorie taylor greene tells him to do. i look at him and say, yeah, he could not credibly head the committee but he certainly could head the committee. look, as a party, and i say this to fellow republicans, do you really think this is a winning solution for the future? yeah, it may make you feel good because you're owning people and getting angry and that stuff, do you think it's a winning thing for the future? i don't but we'll see. >> congressman adam kinzinger, thank you so much for being with us. merry christmas and happy new year to you and your growing family. >> thank you, jake. back at you. back to the breaking news this morning, senator joe manchin, democrat of west virginia, saying he will vote no on president biden's build back better agenda. let's go to one of six house executives who rejected biden's request last month to trust him to get all 50 democrats to pass the bill and push forward on the infrastructure bill. joining us now democratic congresswoman presley from virginia. you were right. let's get your reaction to the news joe manchin said he will not build yes on build back better. >> jake, to be clear, my lack of trust was about senator manchin. he's continued to move the goalpost, he's never negotiated in good faith and obstructing the president's agenda, 85% is still left on the table. in obstructing the president's agenda, he's obstructing the people's agenda. i was listening to his interview earlier today, and he said it's a mammoth bill. you're right, it's a mammoth bill to address mammoth hurt to lower the cost of elder care, childcare, prescription drug cost, the child tax credit, which is so critical in combating child poverty. but west virginia i believe is seventh in the country when it comes to child poverty. by not advancing the build back better act, not only do we fail to meet the needs of the american people, their monmouth hurt in this pandemic and pandemic-induced recession, not only that, but we're going to put in his district, in his state, 50,000 more children at risk of going back into poverty by not advancing the build back better act because the child tax credit is in that and expired friday. moreover in his interview, he spoke about inflation. we know there is inflation because of the impacts of this pandemic. so the most responsible thing that we can do is to pass the build back better act. we cannot allow one lone senator from west virginia to obstruct the president's agenda, to obstruct the people's agenda. jake, all i want for christmas is a senator that has compassion for the american people and not contempt. >> well, you heard bernie sanders earlier on the program saying that senator schumer, the democratic majority leader of the senate, should bring the bill to the floor of the senate for a vote anyway, and force manchin to vote no. do you agree? >> i do, absolutely. >> do you think president biden in telling progressives -- and i realize you were one of the six who were skeptical not of biden but manchin, do you think president biden broke his promise? he said, "i give you my word as a biden, we're going to get all 50 democrats on board." >> this is about joe manchin obstructing the president's agenda, obstructing the people's agenda, you know, torpedoing our opportunity to advance unprecedented advancement, to address the hurt this pandemic-induced recession caused and to get this pandemic under control. so if he's serious about inflation, if he's serious about the pandemic, if he's serious about child poverty, then we need to advance the bill back better act so we can, in fact, build back better. this is 85% of the president's agenda, which is still being left on the table. jake, that was not a vote i took lightly but i had great concerns, and i take no joy in those fears playing out in realtime, that by decoupling these bills, we would cede all of our leverage, and that had everything to do with my credible concerns based on lived experience with senator manchin changing the goalpost continually. >> is there a strategy now to break up build back better into smaller pieces and try to get ten republicans on board for some of them? for instance, paid family leave, is there a way to get, for instance, senator susan cousins, republican of maine just north of you, on board with a smaller paid family leave bill that can get 60 votes in the senate, is that a strategy given the fact it looks like build back better is dead? >> jake, this is all happening in realtime. and i'm not one to cede defeat quickly. so i remain focused on keeping the pressure up on senator manchin. the white house using the full weight of this presidency to lean on this senator, to show solidarity with this democratic party and with the american people and to stop obstructing the president's agenda, which is the people's agenda. this is a mammoth bill to address a mammoth hurt. let's get it done. >> senator sanders said just a few minutes ago that this would create a stark difference in the 2022 midterms, where democrats are on one side pushing for lower prescription drug prices, child, et cetera, things that are in the build back better and republicans are opposing it. i and wonder if you think it might actually have the opposite effect of suppressing and depressing the progressive voters, younger voters, voters counting on some of the things in the build back better act and actually causing them to be disillusioned, disappointed and not turn out to vote in 2022. even more than democrats normally do not turn out to vote in the mid-terms. >> jake, it was a multigenerational, multiracial movement of the most marginalized, black, brown, aapi, indigenous, elect, democratic majority possible and many issues-based agent visits, championing the need for race reform, to combat the climate crisis, to actualize racial justice, cancel student debt. it is incumbent upon us to do everything possible to meet the needs of that most marginalized movement to make this possible. we win not by going big but playing small. of course, i have concern about us not keeping our promises. >> congresswoman ayanna pressley, thank you very much for joining us. we want to wish you and your family a very merry season. "gps with fareed zakaria" starts right now. this is gps, the global public square. almost to all of you from the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. we'll start this program with the 2016 democratic nominee for president, hillary rodham clinton. i'll ask her about the political battles in america -- >> our democracy is under continuing assault. >> and the possibility that russia may go to war. all of that and much more. then

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