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dole. president biden is expected to speak in honor of a man he called an american giant. we're going to bring you that memorial service live at the capitol when it begins. and later, the president will meet with his coronavirus response team to discuss the latest developments with the omicron variant promising developments. two new studies out of israel show that booster doses of pfizer's vaccine reduce deaths by some 90%. elizabeth cohen joins us now. elizabeth, promising in that the booster reduces the chances of severe cases of this and death. but also that folks who are fully vaccinated at this point also have a good amount of protection. >> that's right. i think one thing we want to be super clear about is that every expert, including the -- some of the folks who publish this data have said to me the first booster -- sorry, first set of vaccinations, that first and second shot that you get a few weeks apart, those are the most important ones. boosters, important. people should get them. what is most important is to get those first vaccinations. that's that's more important. so this data, the reason why we care about this data, israel started a robust booster program back in august, way before a lot of other places did. in addition, israel has a centralized national health service and they're great at keeping data. their data is quite meaningful. let's look at one of their findings. they looked at more than 843,000 people, some of whom received a booster and some of them didn't and this part is really important. they were age 50 and older. most of the booster data we have seen has been 60 and older or 65 and older. so to have that younger age is really important. so those who got two doses, just the two doses, they had 2.98 deaths per 100,000 person days. don't get too focused on person days, it is a unit of measurement. 2.8 deaths, those who got the 3 doses have .16 deaths. that's big difference. both are small numbers, as you can see, that is a big difference. now, of course, we have been talking a lot with whether or not the vaccines are useful against this new variant. this study was not done with the new variant, it was done during the time of delta. and i think the answer is that as we discussed yesterday, is that pfizer's study in a study done in south africa indicate the vaccine actually does work against this new variant, and not as well as against previous forms of coronavirus, but it does have an impact. erica, jim? >> elizabeth cohen, appreciate it as always. thank you. also with us, cnn medical analyst dr. lena win, en. picking up where elizabeth left off there, on those two studies, one thing that struck me is how remarkable that data is and we have that to paint a picture for us, but as elizabeth pointed out, what she is hearing so often is the first two shots are the most important. >> that's correct. and everybody should get the first two shots. we know the initial two shots even though there is waning immunity to infection over time, they continue to provide pretty good protection against severe disease. severe enough to cause hospitalization or death. although now we have accumulating research that that immunity to severe illness also does wane over time as well. and so it is a call to action, certainly for people who are unvaccinated to get vaccinated. but frankly there are so many americans who are still not boosted. and i think it is a lot easier to convince people who are vaccinated to get the booster than to convince the people who are unvaccinated to get their first two doses at this point. yes, we should do both. but i also think that from a public health perspective, there is so much room to go when it comes to giving immunity, also to -- giving back the waning immunity to those who are not yet boosted. >> the data, the thing is the data is so clear cut. doesn't show a marginal benefit. it shows a dramatic benefit and yet for many that doesn't get through. okay, looking ahead a bit, we do have a new variant now, and while we know that the pfizer moderna vaccines do provide a fair amount of protection at this point. we did hear the pfizer ceo say this morning that a fourth shot, a second booster you might call it that, may be necessary and not under the 12-month time frame they had initially been thinking, but perhaps earlier. is that the direction we're headed? even while the current booster provides protection against omicron, that will likely need a fourth shot to get maximum protection. >> yeah. i think it is too soon to say that, jim. i really wish that the pfizer ceo is not speculating something that we don't have science behind at this point as far as i know. what we do know is that the third dose appears to provider have strong additional antibody response. including against omicron. and we also know that pfizer, moderna, johnson & johnson are looking into a variant specific booster. i'm glad they are developing this fourth booster if you will, but i think it is far too soon for us to say whether it is something that is going to be needed. >> we can talk about boosters all day. we have a lot of questions about them. i know we have another -- a number of other topics we need to get to. really quickly, the chance there could be emergency use authorization for a booster for 16 and 17-year-olds coming. that that is, you know, perhaps in the cards. how important is that? >> i think a lot of parents are asking about this because 16-year-olds in particular were eligible to get the initial two shots quite a bit ago. some of them have already hit the six-month mark. parents are wondering, well, if 18-year-olds can get the booster what about 16-year-olds and, especially, for example, 16-year-olds or 17-year-olds who may have underlying medical conditions who are at elevated risk. so having that authorization will give people the choice and as we're seeing with increasing data, especially around omicron, i think a lot of parents will be eager to get that booster dose. >> thank you for helping clear things up. we appreciate it. this morning, the white house still exploring different options for possible sanctions against russia in the event that it invades ukraine. sources tell cnn a last resort option is sanctions on the energy sector as officials fear the potential impact that could have on global oil prices and therefore gas and other prices here in the u.s. >> absolutely. this afternoon president biden set to speak with ukrainian president zelensky to discuss russia's military buildup. first, though, as we mentioned at the top of the hour, the president is hosting this first ever summit for democracy. he's hosting from the white house. cnn white house correspondent arlette saenz joining us with the latest there. what have we heard so far from the president this morning for this summit, which is, i would imagine, also going to play into his strategy for the calls later today? >> reporter: yeah, erica and jim. president biden is hosting this summit featuring about 110 countries as he looks to promote the defense of democracy against authoritarian regime. and also call out abuses when it comes to human rights issues. as the president opened this summit, he also acknowledged the threat to democracy that has been posed here at home in the united states and acknowledged there is still more work to be done. take a listen. >> i wanted to host this summit because here is the -- here in the united states we know as well as anyone that renewing our democracy, and strengthening our democratic institution requires constant effort. american democracy is an ongoing struggle, to live up to our highest ideals and heal our division. >> reporter: now, this summit that the president is hosting over the course of the next two days comes in the same week that the president is confronting china over human rights abuses, issuing that diplomatic boycott of the beijing olympics and then also that phone call with russian president vladimir putin to discuss the military buildup that they have seen along the border of ukraine. now, this afternoon the president is planning to speak with ukrainians president zelensky and also hold a separate call with the so-called bucharest nine, this includes eastern european countries within the nato alliance, including countries like poland and romania. the president's goal in these calls is to not only reiterate the united states support for ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity, but also to gain input from these allies as the u.s. is hoping to stave off any russian invasion of ukraine. now, yes, with day two days ago the president spoke with putin, he spoke with european allies to update them on the contents of that phone call. the president is right now hoping that the russia may engage in a diplomatic effort as they hope this will not turn into a major crisis. >> arlette saenz at the white house, thanks so much. this just in to cnn, promising news on the economy, jobless claims in the u.s. just hit a new 52-year low. >> lowest since 1969. cnn business reporter matt egan joins us now. another example of the disconnect here between numbers that seem to show a strong economy, folks feel differently, but what do the jobless claims show? >> well, jim and erica, this is just more evidence of how strong the labor market is. just 184,000 first time unemployment benefits in the latest week, that's not just the lowest of covid, it is the lowest since november of -- september of 1969, back when richard nixon was in the white house. what is important here is the latest week did not include a holiday. two weeks ago we had a similar figure come out, around thanksgiving. there was some debate over whether or not that was really being driven by seasonal effects in holidays, you can't blame the holiday in this instance. it makes a lot of sense why we have seen jobless claims come steadily lower and lower. that's because businesses are desperate for workers right now. they can't afford to let go of the ones that they have. we have seen a near record, 11 million job openings in the united states as of october. manufacturers alone have a million job openings. also companies have been forced to pay up to get more workers. there was a new report out from the conference board that projected that companies plan to raise wages by nearly 4% next year, that's the biggest jump we have seen since 2008. normally i think when you see numbers like this, you would expect to have consumer confidence be higher, you expect the president's poll numbers to be higher and that hasn't happened and that's largely because of inflation. i think the question is whether or not falling energy prices and maybe some improvement on the supply chains, whether or not that allows inflation to cool off and some of these bright spots on the jobs market to shine through. >> forecast for lower gas prices and crucially home heating prices due to warmer winter. matt egan, good to have you on. thank you very much. still to come, cnn is learning more about the documents mark meadows has already shared with the committee investigating january 6th. what they reveal about his fight to appear before the panel and answer their questions. plus, some democrats concerned about the push by progressives to strip congresswoman lauren boebert's committee assignments, saying this could just play right into the republicans' favor. we'll get a progressive congressman's take this hour. and a little bit later this hour, the late senator bob dole returning to capitol hill, where he will lie instate today and we'll bring you that memorial live. enjoying chocolate cake. now, she can have her cake and eat it too. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn? 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[coins clinking in jar] ♪ you can get it if you really want it, by jimmy cliff ♪ [suitcase closing] [gusts of wind] [ding] at intra-cellular therapies, we're inspired by our circle. a circle that includes our researchers, driven by our award-winning science, who uncover new medicines to treat mental illness. it includes the compassionate healthcare professionals, the dedicated social workers, and the supportive peer counselors we work with to help improve - and even change - people's lives. moving from mental illness to mental wellness starts in our circle. this is intra-cellular therapies. former white house chief of staff mark meadows should be prepared to face contempt of congress charges regardless of the lawsuit he filed overnight, which is trying to block the enforcement of his subpoena. >> congressman bennie thompson, who chairs the committee, says they plan to make a criminal contempt referral next week because meadows refused to show up for his scheduled deposition. when asked if he thought his lawsuit was a stall tactic, thompson replied flatly yes. amid all the back and forth over documents that the committee has questions about, cnn is learning more about what meadows has already handed over. cnn's jamie gangel has this reporting. the details, the conversations and the number of conversations on that day, january 6th, this is a remarkable trove they already have. what do we know about it? >> 100%. and let's make clear that mark meadows has already handed over, voluntarily, with no claim of privilege at all, what a source has described as more than 6,000 pages of documents. and in those documents, we're told, are text messages, and emails from his personal cell phone, and personal email account. the source told me, quote, that meadows was exchanging emails and texts with a wide range of individuals, while the attack was under way. let's just make clear what we understand from the committee is that these exchanges include people saying why doesn't president trump make some kind of statement to stop the attack on the capitol? so the committee knows in real time from these exchanges, it seems, very specific information about who is talking to mark meadows, and what he was saying back to them. >> and all of that -- go ahead, jim. >> it is remarkable. i'm sure just as you go through that, i mean, because that, erica, gets to the key question, what did trump do and not do on that day. >> correct. correct. >> and it really does. and in terms of who the conversations were with, and then the number of people -- this was his personal cell phone. these were personal records, right? not a government-issued device? >> correct. so that's important because from the committee's perspective, and everything can be fought over in court, but if he's using a personal phone, a personal email, then the whole question of executive privilege comes -- is called into question. but apart from that, let's just say this again, he voluntarily handed this over to the committee without any claim of privilege. so to your question, who is he texting with, who is he emailing with, we don't know yet. the committee does know. what do we know? a lot of people had mark meadows' cell phone. what -- who could be doing? members of congress, white house officials, rally organizers, even some reporters. and my understanding is eventually those communications will become public. >> so much to learn and we're just learning about these documents that they have, you know wouldn't you love to know what else is now in their possession and how these dots are being connected. great reporting as always. thank you. >> thank you. for more on this, joined now by former federal prosecutor jennifer rogers. jennifer, first, on this executive privilege claim and where it stands, i mean, at this point, meadows has written a book describing situations with the president, including his health. he's gone on fox news, he's answered questions there, some, and he's handed over 6,000 pages of documents including text messages and so on. where does his executive privilege claim stand in light of all that? >> well, the interesting thing, jim, is that this will all factor in to the harm that the holder of the prim lvilege woul suffer if this information gets out in the form of testimony or documents. it is not meadows' privilege to wave, it is trump's, if it exists at all. claim is still weak. the fact that meadows has disclosed information, partial information doesn't necessarily answer the question. >> okay. now he's suing. perhaps taking a page out of trump's book on this, playbook on this. does that lawsuit against the committee have any merit, legally? >> so i took a look at it and it is -- i don't think that it does on the merits. i think he's trying to do two things with it. avoid criminal contempt and delay, delay, delay. so in those senses i think it is a winner. but the substantive senses of does he have a legal claim on stopping this subpoena toer have rise verizon, those things legally i think are not legitimate. >> so this is not a court case here, right. but the committee is building this like a court case to some degree, deposing witnesses, getting documents. you assume they make some sort of argument about wrongdoing on that day. based on what they have, the folks willing to speak to the committee, those who are not, trying to drag out the clock, also documents like the ones we're learning and the extent of the documents like the ones we're learning that meadows has already handed over, in your view, will they have enough to build a credible case? >> well, it is obviously hard to say. there is a lot of information that they're trying to get that they don't have yet. but just the fact of what has become public, the number of people they're speaking to, the fact that from people like meadows they did get at least partial information, and what all of that information as we know so far suggests, it seems to me they're going to be able to put together a pretty compelling case that folks in the white house were trying to overturn the election results, that they were instrumental in the rally on january 6th, that they didn't stop the violence, and that looks pretty bad for them. i think we will see a good amount of evidence pointing to that result. >> to what end, though, i imagine is part of the question. invariably trump will claim it is fake, right? even if you have -- you read the documents at that point, and claim it is political, what is the ultimate outcome here? it is a report, right? it would be a report alleging wrongdoing. >> so the ultimate outcome is what the committee has to do in order to do what it is doing legitimately, a legislative purpose. so what they will say is look what happened here. now we need to follow up with legislation to try to stop this sort of thing from happening again. legislation around making court cases move faster, legislation around how the electors are certified and what interference can or can't happen with that. those are the sorts of things they're looking to do to try to stop another january 6th. >> we'll see with the click ticking on that, considering midterm elections approaching. jennifer rogers, thank you very much. still ahead, democrats on the fence about how to handle congressman lauren boebert's hate speech. several worry that moving to strip her of her committees could play right into her hands. we'll get the pulse from progressive congressman ro khanna next. and the opening bell on wall street is just moments away. futures slipping slightly after a powerful rally in u.s. stocks so far this week. the dow added more than 1100 points in three days. stocks right back near their record highs. the s&p 500 up 25% just this year. 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>> i support a resolution to take some action and i trust the speaker and hakeem jeffries'jeffries' ability to get consensus. i think what the speaker is weighing is how do we take decisive action to say that this was wrong, but not give a bigger platform to representative boebert. >> and as you said, you'll do what they come up with essentially. but is there anything in your mind that would achieve that? >> i think there are a number of things in terms of the actions. it could be clearly condemning the comments and making it clear that they're unacceptable, there are other things being considered. i think what is important is we come to a consensus and then we move on and deal with what the american people care about, getting more money in their pockets, inflation, gas prices. >> so as you focus on that, last question on this, are you concerned as part of that calculus, this promise of payback? if republicans retake the house in 2022? >> i'm not concerned in terms of an individual on payback. i'm concerned that the american people have sent us here to deliver for them, not to get involved in tit for tat, so we have to condemn it. clearly it was a racist comment. and then we have to move on and deal with what we were elected here to do, which is help people improve their lives. >> one of the things i know is on your agenda in terms of doing that is build back better. we should point out as i mentioned, you are on the house armed services committee, but in terms of that vote, right, for the bill that just passed, the national defense authorization act, you voted no. and tweeted afterwards you're telling me we're willing to spend $8 trillion on defense over the next ten years, but when it comes to investing in working families and preventing the climate crisis, $1.7 trillion for build back better is too much? as we all know, democrats have been working for months now to get senators manchin and sinema on board which feels like where we're still at this morning. if they're not on board now what do you think is going to change to get this done in the next couple of weeks? is there anything that will happen? >> well, thanks for raising that, because our defense budget that we just passed, $780 billion, more than 50% of discretionary federal budget, comparatively the build back better bill is only $175 billion, what is going to convince senator manchin is this is going to put money in the pockets of the working class, gas costs too much, food costs too much, this will give every family with kids 300 bucks a month. it is going to -- with the earned income tax credit, give americans a rise, it iraiseing lower the cost of prescription drugs. >> he's consistently -- i hear what you're saying, i hear what we hear from senator manchin, he's concerned this is going to cost too much. it is going to have the opposite effect. if we have been at this impasse for months as we're watching this from the outside, do you think there is a message missing in terms of your colleagues when they're having these conversations? >> one, i think it is important to look at the comparis ative costs. second, i do believe senator manchin will get to a yes because ultimately it is about helping working families. and inflation is an issue for the fed. i agree with larry summers, the fed ought to stop buying back mortgages, and stop some of the quantitative easing, but this is fully paid for and it is not going to be inflationary as a result. >> real quickly, you said you think manchin will get there. do you think he will get there before the end of the year? >> i don't know if it is going to be before the end of the year, i know this about senator manchin, he wants this president to succeed and he understands we have to pass this. so i think he's going to get to a yes. i can't predict whether it is going to be by the end of the year or not. >> really quickly, want to get your ty on your take on sanctions. when it comes to energy sanctions, likely a last resort over concerns about domestic gas prices and the global economy. so are the sanctions at this point, is that more about talk than execution? >> it has to be a very clear message to putin that if he invades ukraine, there is going to be devastating consequences and he should not invade. i think the president and jake sullivan have done a good job of conveying that and said this is not going to be like 2014, we're going to use any sanctions available. and we also want to have diplomacy in eastern ukraine to resolve that tension there. >> any sanctions but likely not energy as we're learning. congressman ro khanna, good to have you with us this morning. thank you. >> thank you. appreciate it. still ahead, travis scott speaking for first time since ten people died in a crush at his houston concert. what he's saying about what he could hear during it all from the stage. that's next. at vanguard, you're more than just an investor, you're an owner with access to financial advice, tools and a personalized plan that helps you build a future for those you love. vanguard. become an owner. as a professional bull-rider i'm used to taking chances. but when it comes to my insurance i don't. i use liberty mutual, they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. wooo, yeaa, woooooo and, by switching you could even save 665 dollars. hey tex, can someone else get a turn? 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what did he say? >> reporter: you know, about that point, jim, travis scott says that he didn't know the severity of the situation at the concert. that's what he had said in the aftermath of this tragedy. now, this is an interview that lasted about an hour long. i've not been able to go through the entire thing. what i can tell you is that he speaks about the moment he learned that people actually died at his concert. and he says this was moments before the press conference where this was announced. now, charlamagne tha god asks him about this rage at the concert, at his concert, he's known for, and travis scott says that's about letting go, that's about having fun. but he does mention something that i heard from concertgoers here on the ground, and that was about the moments during the concert, where travis scott paused the concert to direct aid to certain portions of the venue. take a listen. >> you know, people pass out, you know, people, you know, things happen at concerts. but something like that, just, like -- >> people said they collectively heard folks screaming help every time you stopped the song to get your attention. did you hear any of those screams? >> no, man. you know, it is so crazy, because i'm an artist too. anytime you can hear something like that you want to stop the show. i stopped it a couple of times to make sure everybody was okay. and i just really just go off the fans' energy as a collective, you know. call it response. and i just didn't hear that. >> reporter: now, travis scott goes on to say that if something detrimental would have been happening, something urgent, he thought he would have been notified on stage to stop the show. and goes on to say that did not happen. now, more than 140 lawsuits have been filed in this tragedy. the defendants include travis scott, livenation, the organizers, and the allegations is there was negligence, gross negligence, the organizers, the star rapper, they were made out to make a ton of money from the concert and that ten people have died during the latest court filings. travis scott has -- through his attorneys, has denied legal liability and, jim and erica, we're still reaching out to a lot of these plaintiffs to get reaction from them, but, of course, they're displeased with this denial of legal liability from travis scott and just from the statement that we did get from the youngest victim, the 9-year-old's family, that attorney was very displeased, saying the family did not accept travis scott's offer to pay for the funeral expenses, and that travis scott should take some responsibility. >> rosa flores in houston, thank you very much. we're going to bring you back to live pictures from the capitol now. this is the honor guard greeting the body of the late senator bob dole as he is being prepared to be lain in state at the capitol. 12 u.s. presidents had that honor. a number of senators as well. as we said earlier the most recent was senator john mccain in 2018. let's listen in. there on the steps of the capitol now, the late senator's widow, elizabeth dole. the late senator died a day before what would have been their 46th wedding anniversary. and that to the right, bob dole's daughter, robin . >> halt! >> there you see the casket containing the late senator bob dole entering the capitol. he'll will laid in state. following him his widow, elizabeth dole, his daughter, robin. dole served decades on capitol hill. he was republican leader. he was also his party's nominee for president in 1996 when he lost to bill clinton. but also central to his story, his military service. a world war ii veteran who suffered grievous wounds in 1945 on a hillside in italy. he was left for dead. he has said he didn't know he himself was alive or dead. but after 39 months in a hospital bed, he was able to walk again, though you would always see him on capitol hill clutching a pen in his right hand. he had damage to that arm. the you ever had the pleasure of meeting him, he would shake your hand with his left hand. there's the inside of the capitol rotunda where his casket will be placed. >> also joining us is richard norton smith, who was both a friend of the late senator but also his speechwriter. richard, good to have you with us this morning to give us more of a sense of who senator bob dole was. so many people, of course, had ideas about who he was. in his statement following hiss passing, president biden called him an american statesman like few in our history, talked about him as a friend and trusted guidance, and his humor, which was a central part of who he was and made up who he was as a person. >> three days after the election, which you may recall he lost convincingly to bill clinton, he did something very unusual. most defeated presidential candidates fade away pretty quickly. three days after the election, bob dole went on david letterman's show, and he was funny. and i could not tell you, as long as i've known the senator, going back over 40 years, people would say i didn't know bob dole was funny. if i knew he was like that, i might have voted for him. well, he was one of the very few people in washington who didn't need a speechwriter, didn't need a gag writer when it came to humor. he had a marvelous sense of the ridiculous, and, in fact, sometimes there were people who thought it was -- he wasn't running for president so much as he was observing the process of running for president and offering wry commentary from time to time. >> as you were speaking there, we saw congresswoman liz cheney, congressman hakeem jeffries there. president biden attending this as well. i wonder, as you watch this here, bob dole, he fought hard for his party. he was a devoted confidant of richard nixon. he had the term "hatchet man" attached to him by democrats. but he also through the years was willing to work with democrats on major legislation. i often wonder, as we see people like this pass away, whether it's a dole or a mccain or others, that is that time in washington lost? are those folks willing to work across the aisle becoming fewer and fewer in your view? >> well, i think the question, unfortunately, answers itself. let me tell you the other side of the coin. seeing those capitol steps today brought back a memory. about 25 years ago, almost exactly, the day he left the senate. remember, his campaign in '96 was sort of dead in the water. the campaign strategist decided they needed a hail mary. and so it was decide he would leave the senate, which he loved, i think second only to elizabeth and robin and demonstrate to the doubters that he was really serious about trying to win the white house that fall. anyway, the media attention would be focused on dole, he would be in the spotlight for 24 hours, and they wanted to take advantage of that, understandably, by introducing a whole range of partisan or wedge issues to try to fire up the base in advance of the republican convention that year. dole being dole didn't do that at all. what he did in his farewell remarks on the floor of the senate was to remember the democrats like george mcgovern, with whom he'd worked very closely in combatting hunger, or ted kennedy or hubert humphry. and he was in an age of political handlers, he was impossible to handle. and it drove people like that up the wall, but it's part of what endeared him to those of us who knew him perhaps a little better than the handlers. >> his final op-ed in "the washington post," he talked about bipartisanship, and he said it was the minimum we should expect from ourselves. there's been much made, too, about what the achievements were for bob dole. in his lifetime and also in his time serving the country as a legislator, it was really about getting things done. and perhaps in some moments things that may not have necessarily been expected. how did those moments sit with him throughout the years, being a part of important moments like the civil rights act? >> well, you're absolutely right. you have to remember, people talk about dole, it's easy to -- the war and thereafter, grappling with adversity that most of us couldn't even imagine. but the fact of the matter is bob dole's character and the connections he felt to those who were perhaps in some ways through no fault of their own in need of assistance from the government, that began very early. you know, he was a product of the depression, grew up in dust bowl, kansas. the family famously had to rent out the upstairs of their house during the depression and move into the basement. and i think that experience long before the war gave bob dole -- i used to call him the original compassionate conservative. i think long before the term caught on. he was certainly a conservative. he was certainly a fiscal conservative. and he could certainly be a very partisan republican. but he also believed at the end of the day -- he was a regeneration of people like gerald ford who put him on the ticket in '76, who would fight very hard for their side, but at the end of the day, they were judged by the voters by what they got done. and today, by contrast, it often feels as if it's exactly the opposite. you're judged with success in wa with by what you prevent from getting done. so that's something i think we grieve along with the loss of one larger than life member of the senate. we're burying that type of thing along with bob dole. >> he would often say, to note his roots as growing up in poverty in kansas, that he wasn't born in a blue suit despite all his years on capitol hill. a brief word about what's coming next here. briefly we'll hear from the house chaplain, later house speaker nancy pelosi, senator mitch mcconnell, senator schumer, and then president biden as well will speak before a benediction by the chaplain. joining us is david

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