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>> this kind of language, this kind of hate cannot be condoned. i'm phil mattingly in for pamela brown. you're in the cnn newsroom. travelers coming to the united states about to run into a list of tighter restrictions and that takes effect in just a few hours at the stroke of midnight. it's an effort to limit the spread of the omicron variant. all in bound travelers must test negative for covid-19 and for the past day before they are allowed to enter the u.s. including vaccinated and american citizens. nadya has more. these stricter travel rules come as u.s. covid-19 cases are absolutely on the rise again now averaging more than 100,000 cases per day, the highest in two months. what does this mean for the landscape? >> this is what the biden administration was trying to prevent, the winter surge. we hit a pandemic record of thanksgiving travelers going through airports according to tsa. we have a new variant omicron that's showing up here in the u.s. and dozens of other countries. so let's break this down from travel bans and travel restrictions. travel will begin a new one starting tomorrow. if you're an international traveler trying to make your way to the u.s., you have to show a negative covid-19 test the day before you travel and be fully vaccinated there are no restrictions for domestic travelers yet but anthony fauci are reviewing the policies on a daily basis including a travel ban. a travel ban is in place for eight southern africaen countries. south african scientists were the first to discover the variant but the very ariant is over the world and that sparked international criticism. the head of the u.n. calling it a travel apartheid and questioning why there aren't travel restrictions for countries that have this variant and why the u.s. is just simply looking at these african countries? is what dr. anthony fauci had to say when asked about that. >> it was done at a time when we really were in the dark. we had no idea what was going on except this seemed to have been an explosion of cases of om icrn in south africa. the ban gives us time to figure out what is going on. as we get more and more information about cases in our country and worldwide, we're looking at that very carefully on a daily basis. hopefully, we'll be able to lift the ban within a reasonable amount of time. we all feel very badly about the hardship that that might have put upon not only south africa but the other african countries and for that reason in realtime, literally on a daily basis, we're reevaluating that policy. >> dr. fauci says this is a very fluid situation, that the policies are changing as data comes in and we just simply don't have enough data yet on this new variant and we don't know enough about it like the delta variant that is still the most populous one that you'll find across the u.s. phil? >> nadya, more data coming in every day. can't confess enough. thank you so much. i want to talk further about the new u.s. travel rules with the executive vice president of public affairs and policy at the u.s. travel association. it's a group that represents 1100 groups in all parts of the travel industry. tory, you heard what dr. fauci said about the ban against the eight southern african nations and that it's being reevaluated every single day. you guys were pretty unequivocal when the ban came out you didn't think it was the right policy. do you think the policy should end immediately? >> absolutely. >> we're having a little difficulty hearing tory. this is obviously a very important story and their perspective here matters a lot. this happening in a matter of hours. also happening tonight, the nation honoring long serving u.s. senator and republican presidential nominee bob dole who died today at the age of 89. he went from the plains of kansas to world war ii europe to capitol hill where he became one of the most powerful and recognizable american political figures over the last half century. president biden released a deeply touching statement memorializing dole calling him an american statesman like few in the history, a war hiero anda friend i could look to for trusted guidance or humorous line at just the right moment to settle frayed nerves. i'll miss my friend. former president george w. bush said in part i'll also remember bob's solute to my late dad at the capitol and now we bushes solute bob and give thanks for his service and a short time ago from house speaker nancy pelosi. >> for our country, it was a tremendous loss to lose bob dole. he's a towering figure, a great leader. he and elizabeth dole just crossed the aisle, crossed every divide in our country to bring people together. it is a big loss. he fought for that country on the battle field in world war ii. he fought for what he believed in in the congress and the house and then the senate as a candidate for president and even in retirement. just a real blessing to our country. a sad loss. >> cnn senior political analyst and editor at "the atlantic" ron brownstein. you covered dole during the 1988 presidential campaign. there is a different era in american politics. i knew that campaign from reading 15 times what it takes by richard ben cramer and inside that book, i think i reread 30 times bob dole's experience in world war ii, how he was wounded and what he did to recover. what do you remember from covering that campaign? >> first, that analysis about dole is some of the greatest political writing ever. so i would commmend it to anyon for better understanding of dole. dole was a figure of a kind we don't have anymore in many different ways. i mean, he was an embodiment of the greatest generation, enormous suffering he went through and perseverance and determination to recover and build back his body and his life in the '40s and '50s. there was that cigar box they put out of the drugstore in his hometown of russell, kansas where they collected money to help pay for his hospital bills after world war ii and i remember i think i am right that in the week that he announced for president in 1996 they brought out the original box at an event in russell, kansas. he started off in washington as a fairly conventional even hard edged partisan, talked about democrat wars in 1976. you know, on the ticket but really evolved in the '70s and '80s to be one of the great -- and '90s to be one of the greatest deal makers and consensus builders with the contemporary teddy kennedy in many of those years and as a job description that doesn't exist anymore. the ability to build coalitions across party lines simply just isn't possible in the same way that it was then and he was a towering figure as nancy mapelo said. >> it's a great point. thinking a lot about today but when lawmakers passed. today senator mitch mcconnell praised dole for conservative victories and it seems like both of those things, to some degree congressional criticism over the last five years and bipartisanship are all by gone now. i don't want to be like everything was back better then and all those types of things. it's a very different moment now in politics. >> well, things are fluid back then at least. i mean, you can debate whether they were better but they were certainly more fluid. the lines between the parties were not as absolute or rigged in the regional divides weren't as rigged. there were democrats from north dakota and south dakota and nebraska and republicans from the coast and the ability to get things done particularly in this long era basically from the late 30s until the early '90s required a legislators who could build coalitions that did not exist without them and dole was brilliant at doing that and willing to do that on issues like the voting rights act, which he played a critical part working with joe biden in reauthorizing in the early 1980s. every republican has voted against in the senate reauthorizing the voting rights act and he did this on many issues. he raised taxes to reduce the deficit after the regan tax cuts, blew a bigger hole in the deficit than people expected. he was willing to kind of make an independent judgment outside of the lines of, you know, just simply party loyalty plus he was a brilliant whit. unless my memory is totally screwed up, i was on "meet the press" with tim russert as one of the two questions on the day bob dole passed hubert heumphry as the most frequent guest in 1994 and i remember him lingering with absolutely kind of brilliant withering putdowns of everybody in both parties and of course, you remember his famous line at the regan funeral describing ford, carter and nixon as see no evil, hear no evil and evil. >> evil. yeah. i want to ask more about that. because it was interesting. he was well-known to be like one of the funniest members of the senate when you do polling and staffers and members. sharp whit. dark at times. but even though he lost to president clinton in 1996 was always a good sport and made fun of himself on "saturday night live" and did a late night show after 1998. when he was done with his career, he was doing pepsi commercials, dunkin' donuts commercials and a viagra commercial appearing in this commercial that you're looking at now that was actually huge for viagra becoming more main stream at the time. one thing, does it speak to this idea of how americans trusted him to some degree even though he lost by a large margin in the presidential race? >> look, people respected dole enormously even though he lost by a large margin. you know, he, you know, he -- clinton was able to structure that race as future versus past and dole was sort of clouded by the response to the gingrich revolution in which he was very much of an unwilling participant but there is never any question of kind of americans and i think certainly in washington the respect for dole as an individual not only for what he had become but in the way he had evolved beyond his original -- i mean, he genuinely was in later parts of his career a statesman. it surprised a lot of people how enthusiastically he endorsed trump in 2016 outwhen he endors politics in the '70s through the '90s but he was someone who really kind of you felt that he was going to make an honest assessment of each issue without being totally locked in in the same way we are now, you know, by these rigged partisan divides and the viagra thing was interesting. he wouldn't talk about those issues. that was the ad itself kind of noted that and it was kind of a break through and later of course, he made fun of himself in his ads for pepsi. legislator, he had a deep need and understood as johnson, at the end of the day, they were all americans and your enemy today may be your ally tomorrow. that's a war we don't inhabit anymore. it's more rigged and more absolute and it is a loss with the kind of legislators like dole and kennedy and mccain that simply are not with us anymore. >> yeah, as you can see by the statements coming out from every corner of every party today. ron brownstein, thanks, sir. >> thanks. former president barack obama tweeting his statement on the death of senator bob dole. obama writing senator dole was a war hero, a political leader and statesman with a demeanor harkening back to a day where the members abided by a certain code, putting country over party. our thoughts are with elizabeth and the dole family. new tonight, he helped the school shooting suspect's parents when they were wanted hours by the police. now he's come forward. we'll tell you when he's saying about the couple. millions of students and staff have taken part in school shooting drills but the drills may actually create some deadly situations. and we're calling out those republican lawmakers going all in on pandemic denial. more in the cnn newsroom. 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>> you know, it seems that we'll be able to manage the new testing requirement and very much support the extension of the mask mandate through march of 2022 but we -- i wouldn't say that, you know, generally speaking, we need to look at an individual's risk assessment. we need to make sure we're not doing whole sale country travel bans and avoid any type of accelerated type of quarantine or any other travel restriction that isn't really looking at the individual risk of a person. so, you know, we need to figure out how to balance not only the economy and the health concerns simultaneously but we also need to think about making sure that we can still welcome international travelers here to the u.s. >> well, you answered in your statement when the change on testing policy was announced, you noted it's critically important that we communicate this policy change clearly. that seems obvious to some degree but seemed to have a point there. do you feel like this is communicated clearly? do you feel like you had the time given how fast this seemed to come into play? >> you know, i think there is still going to be a lot more work to do. i think the whole of the industry i have needs to be making sure that we can communicate. brand usa is an important extension to the u.s. they communicate internationally. we've got the statement department and that's why the shared communication really is so important because we're seeing different travel restrictions obviously across the whole globe and that's again why we get down to one type of requirement where we have the testing mechanism and a vaccine mandate. you know, that's really important but we can't just have, you know, places where we are just restricting travel to. on november 8th when we finally reopened to the rest of the globe, it was really important for the travel industry and country to start to recover from an economic standpoint. we think with the vaccine requirement, with the testing mechanism in place, we need to look again just at an individual risk and need to be able to things. >> it's not always time you have. thanks so much for taking the time. really appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> all right. now to new developments in the shooting rampage at a michigan high school that left four dead and another student charged with their murders. the man authorities thought might have helped -- crumbley's parents ditch police let the crumbley's use his work space but unaware they were wanted. after their arrest, he contacted police. he's not been charged in a crime. in a letter to parents, the school districtintendent reveals details about the events leading up to the shooting and promises a third party investigation into how the red flags were handled. senior legal analyst ellie honing joins me now. ellie, i think this has been the issue i've had the most questions about, i think, once the parents at least were detained to some degree in terms of the school, the school administration. the letter from the superintendent says the school district and officials are criticized for not answering questions over the course of the last several days. how much do you feel like that's a legal strategy to some degree? >> there is definitely a legal angle to it. the school is anticipating at a minimum they will be sued and have lawsuits filed against them seeking monetary damages and the question will be was the school negligent? that's a fairly low standard that just means did they fail to take due care to protect their students? this is really appears to be a fairly egregious case when you look at the student's conduct and hear about these drawings and the things he was writing, which the school and teachers found and took and didn't take sufficient action on. i think the school is in a real tough spot here. i think they're trying to take care of potential legal liability here. >> is there anything on the criminal side? we talked to the oakland county sheriff yesterday. obviously had a news conference yesterday. is there any area where there could be criminal issues that school officials or administrators may face here? >> i think that's very unlikely, phil. i think look, the charge against the parents was unusual. i think it's very well supported because they, themselves i think were most directly responsible for helping this child obtain the gun and encouraging him to essentially blow off the school when he got caught searching for ammu ammunition. i think there is a strong case, unusual but strong against the parents. i think it's probably a bridge too far to be thinking about criminal charges against the school. they could have civil liability but i don't see criminal liability for the school here. >> now that you mentioned the parents. the crumbley's defense attorney says the couple fully intended to turn themselves in. here is that statement in yesterday's virtual arraignment. take a listen. >> last night and throughout the day, we were in contact with our clients. they were scared. they were terrified. they were not at home. they were figuring out what to do getting finances in order but our clients were absolutely going to turn themselves in. it was just a matter of logistics and all the prosecution had to do was communicate with me about it. >> what do you make of that claim? >> wow, do i not buy that, phil, for several reasons. first of all, when you're wanted for manslaughter, you don't get to take your time and get your finances in order. i'm not sure how withdrawing $4,000 cash is getting finances in order. it makes absolutely no sense. you don't have the luxury of surrendering at your leisure. also, phil, it's worth noting this will hurt the parents in the case against them. the district attorney, the prosecutor has said publicly that she's considering additional charges against them relating to the flight. also really important. when a prosecutor tries these parents for involuntarily manslaughter, i've been in the situation. you stand in front of the jury and say why did they take off? do innocent people that are not guilty take off? of course not. it shows you they were guilty. it shows you they knew of it. that can be really powerful evidence in front of a jury. >> yeah, seems to be the case hiding in a warehouse with fully planning to turn themselves in seems to contradict its self a bit. thanks so much. >> thanks, phil. >> all right. you're in the cnn newsroom. up next, are school shooting drills putting kids in danger? 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>> that's something that we're really concerned about. it's something that's really hard to study but i think the idea behind things like active shooter drills and increased security is that the perpetrators of the shootings are outsiders coming in to attack the school but when you realize that most of these perpetrators are insiders, students of the school, they're classmates moving in and out of the hallways every day and moving through the active shooter drills with everyone else over and over again. there have been cases where that insider knowledge of how the school is going to respond has actually increased casualties rather than decreased them. >> now, you also say in addition to some other potential flaws, these drills can trigger a dangerous fascination in vulnerable students. tell me more about what you're seeing there. >> yeah, there is a few concerns about drills. so one is that they can make students feel really afraid. they can increase anxiety. they can be traumatizing especially ones that use things like live action role play. but we also know that school shootings are socially contagious. when one happens, others happen. shooters tend to study other shooters and get ideas. there is some concern for me as a psychologist if we're running young people through these scenarios over and over and over again, could we be normalize this violence and increasing their fascination with it? >> so i mean, given what you're laying out here, what's the answer here? school shootings are a reality. is the answer to do no prerp ra -- preparation, no training, no drilling for the students? >> absolutely not. you want if the worst-case scenario happens, you want students to be prepared and the adults in the school to be very aware of the protocols and there are ways to do drills that really minimize anxiety for students. but more importantly, we have been focussing so much on drilling these students on making them prepare for their own deaths. i'm trying to minimize casualties and react to a shooting once it already happens. our research has shown there are tangible things we can be doing to prevent a shooting from happening in the first place and it's probably a better place to be focussing our resources. >> yeah, it's so interesting. it's sad we have to have this discussion but it's a real discussion every parent is thinking about. thanks for sharing. >> absolutely. thanks for having me. >> all right. breaking news, right now, the biden administration is expected to announce that no u.s. government officials will attend the 2022 beijing olympics. we'll go live to the white house when we come back. and celebrate every kiss... ...with kay. why hide your skin if dupixent has your moderate to severe eczema or atopic dermatitis under control? 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[uplifting music playing] ♪ i had a dream that someday ♪ ♪ i would just fly, fly away ♪ we have breaking news. just into cnn several sources saying the biden administration is expected to announce a move amid calls to be put on china over human rights concerns. joe, what are we learning right now. >> reporter: phil, we did know president biden was under pressure from political sources including the speaker of the house on capitol hill to use the olympics in someway to send a message to china about human rights abuses and we know also that going all the way back to 1980, u.s. presidents have used the olympics in someway to try to send a message including jimmy carter's boycotting of the olympics and not allowing the athletes to go. now we know what president biden is going to do. cnn's kaitlan collins reports tonight that what the president has decided to do is to institute a diplomatic boycott, which means u.s. government officials will not participate in the 2022 olympic games in beijing but what this does is allows the athletes, the u.s. athletes to continue to participate those athletes who have made the olympic team because as many people know, a lot of olympic athletes get exactly one shot to participate in the olympic games and the president is not taking that away from them by doing this. so the news tonight from cnn's kaitlan collins is that the president is instituting a diplomatic boycott for the beijing games, which means u.s. officials will not participate. phil? >> yeah, important point. different from 1980 but sending a message, one lawmakers have been calling for. thanks so much. there are a number of issues that contributed to pressure that has been driving the white house about this potential diplomatic boycott over the course of the last several weeks, human issues and treatment of democracy advocates in hong kong and aggressive military leaders aimed at taijuan and just recently questions about the treatment of a tennis champion that had a few rare opinions accusing a top government official of sexual assault. i spoke with rene stubs on the tennis world's mounting pressure on china and howolympics. thank you for taking the time. it's an important story. we saw what they did. why is the atp not following the lead and making a statement here? >> i guess your question is as good as mine. they've been put under pressure from some well-known people into tennis and asked the question that was a poor effort with them with the statement they made and a statement without making a statement. so i think the ntp certainly has a little bit of questions we need some answers from them about being stronger because they also have a tremendous amount of tennis events in china so the ball is really as you said at the start. it's really in their port to stand beside us in solidarity with the wta and women's tennis association. we'll see if they step up more to the plate in the next couple days. >> so i have a pretty good idea to answer this question but you actually understand the dynamics because you've lived them and within them for your career. what are the consequences of the atp deciding to pull out a tournament from china? what are the consequences of the wta taking their stance? >> well, i mean, money. i mean, let's face it. that's what it comes down to. obviously the wta has to find a tremendous amount of money in sponsors to be able to put on events at that time of the year. obviously will. we hope that the chinese government does what we never ask, which is do an investigation into the obligations that punctuate is made and certainly want to hear from her and hear she's safe and this is not the stuff we see from state media. we want to see her living free and she's fine and safe and until then the wtf suorganizati suspended all tournaments. if that's the case and we pull out of china completely, we need to find cities and sponsors that will put on the event. we had up to ten or 11 events in china. the men have a tremendous amount of events. they have to find cities and sponsors to put the events on the calendar. >> here you mentioned the money issue. obviously logistical issues. players are concerned about that. to broaden it out a little bit, there is pleasure on the international olympic committee to say something to some degree. the olympics are in the country in a couple months. is money the exact reason they're not saying anything? they've been the weakest of everyone in what they're saying here. >> the ioc has a lot of questions to answer really because i think they sort of became a bit of a propaganda when they put out that video of her. she's doing the video but what is she under duress. where is this video taken? so yes, absolutely the ioc has big questions to answer, as well. of course it comes down to money. this is what it's about. beijing is a month away for the winter olympics so they're definitely going to be asked this question at nausea over the next few weeks. we definitely want to hear, they need to be more powerful on the wta. i'm proud of the wta in so many ways because they're being the big girls in the room when it comes to this situation. >> i want to bring in our next guest, the author of "the coming collapse of china." gordon, we've been expecting this to some degree over the course of the last week or two. lawmakers in both parties are calling for it not recently for months if you're mitt romney, nancy pelosi. what do you make of the message sent with the potential diplomatic boycott of the beijing olympics? >> first of all, this is a step in the right direction and a powerful message. if you go back two months, people would not have thought this would occur. this is a dynamic situation. anything can happen. so i don't think we can say for 100% sure that the olympics are going to be held on february 4th. probably they will be but global opinion changed very fast in the space of about two weeks. >> what do you make of the calculations of the administration? a couple weeks ago, a long awaited virtual summit between president xi and biden, you know, they didn't solve all the world's problems and not major break throughs but at least something viewed on the u.s. side taking down the temperature a bit and to follow with this which the chinese are clearly going to react to. what is the strategy here? >> i'm sure the biden administration didn't want to do this. no government really wants to impose costs on china but the issue though is that we're not driving events right now. it's beijing. and it's not just with regard to the united states, they're also doing this to other countries, as well. xi jinping is forcing them to make decisions they don't want to make. i don't think president biden wanted to do this but not left with much choice with things that have occurred recently. >> i'd work under the assumption administration officials were when talking about this, there will be a diplomatic reprisal from china. will that be -- what would that look like do you think based on what you've seen over the years? >> over the years when china has threatened reprisals, they've generally been very mild or not been imposed at all. now, this time is probably going to be different. xi jinping realizes olympics and pride is at stake. i don't know what it will be but china needs the united states much more than the other way around. any sort of reprisal will hurt china probably far more than it's going to hurt us. >> yeah, this is going to be fascinating to watch going forward. everybody in the white house knows this is a defining relationship right now and this is definitely a new twist to it. t thanks as always for your insight and expertise. >> thank you. >> a number of republicans are keeping up the fight against science. one appears to advocate contracting covid-19. i'll explain or try to for the record. stay with us. this is your home. this is your family room slash gym. the guest bedroom slash music studio. the daybed slash dog bed. the living room slash yoga shanti slash regional office slash classroom. and this is the basement slash panic room. maybe what your family needs is a vacation home slash vacation home. find yours on the vrbo app. ♪ deon, hand it over. now how does that make you feel? 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>> this kind of language, this kind of hate cannot be condoned. i'm phil mattingly in for pamela brown. you're in the cnn newsroom. travelers coming to the united states about to run into a list of tighter restrictions and that takes effect in just a few hours at the stroke of midnight. it's an effort to limit the spread of the omicron variant. all in bound travelers must test negative for covid-19 and for the past day before they are allowed to enter the u.s. including vaccinated and american citizens. nadya has more. these stricter travel rules come as u.s. covid-19 cases are absolutely on the rise again now averaging more than 100,000 cases per day, the highest in two months. what does this mean for the landscape? >> this is what the biden administration was trying to prevent, the winter surge. we hit a pandemic record of thanksgiving travelers going through airports according to tsa. we have a new variant omicron that's showing up here in the u.s. and dozens of other countries. so let's break this down from travel bans and travel restrictions. travel will begin a new one starting tomorrow. if you're an international traveler trying to make your way to the u.s., you have to show a negative covid-19 test the day before you travel and be fully vaccinated there are no restrictions for domestic travelers yet but anthony fauci are reviewing the policies on a daily basis including a travel ban. a travel ban is in place for eight southern africaen countries. south african scientists were the first to discover the variant but the very ariant is over the world and that sparked international criticism. the head of the u.n. calling it a travel apartheid and questioning why there aren't travel restrictions for countries that have this variant and why the u.s. is just simply looking at these african countries? is what dr. anthony fauci had to say when asked about that. >> it was done at a time when we really were in the dark. we had no idea what was going on except this seemed to have been an explosion of cases of om icrn in south africa. the ban gives us time to figure out what is going on. as we get more and more information about cases in our country and worldwide, we're looking at that very carefully on a daily basis. hopefully, we'll be able to lift the ban within a reasonable amount of time. we all feel very badly about the hardship that that might have put upon not only south africa but the other african countries and for that reason in realtime, literally on a daily basis, we're reevaluating that policy. >> dr. fauci says this is a very fluid situation, that the policies are changing as data comes in and we just simply don't have enough data yet on this new variant and we don't know enough about it like the delta variant that is still the most populous one that you'll find across the u.s. phil? >> nadya, more data coming in every day. can't confess enough. thank you so much. i want to talk further about the new u.s. travel rules with the executive vice president of public affairs and policy at the u.s. travel association. it's a group that represents 1100 groups in all parts of the travel industry. tory, you heard what dr. fauci said about the ban against the eight southern african nations and that it's being reevaluated every single day. you guys were pretty unequivocal when the ban came out you didn't think it was the right policy. do you think the policy should end immediately? >> absolutely. >> we're having a little difficulty hearing tory. this is obviously a very important story and their perspective here matters a lot. this happening in a matter of hours. also happening tonight, the nation honoring long serving u.s. senator and republican presidential nominee bob dole who died today at the age of 89. he went from the plains of kansas to world war ii europe to capitol hill where he became one of the most powerful and recognizable american political figures over the last half century. president biden released a deeply touching statement memorializing dole calling him an american statesman like few in the history, a war hiero anda friend i could look to for trusted guidance or humorous line at just the right moment to settle frayed nerves. i'll miss my friend. former president george w. bush said in part i'll also remember bob's solute to my late dad at the capitol and now we bushes solute bob and give thanks for his service and a short time ago from house speaker nancy pelosi. >> for our country, it was a tremendous loss to lose bob dole. he's a towering figure, a great leader. he and elizabeth dole just crossed the aisle, crossed every divide in our country to bring people together. it is a big loss. he fought for that country on the battle field in world war ii. he fought for what he believed in in the congress and the house and then the senate as a candidate for president and even in retirement. just a real blessing to our country. a sad loss. >> cnn senior political analyst and editor at "the atlantic" ron brownstein. you covered dole during the 1988 presidential campaign. there is a different era in american politics. i knew that campaign from reading 15 times what it takes by richard ben cramer and inside that book, i think i reread 30 times bob dole's experience in world war ii, how he was wounded and what he did to recover. what do you remember from covering that campaign? >> first, that analysis about dole is some of the greatest political writing ever. so i would commmend it to anyon for better understanding of dole. dole was a figure of a kind we don't have anymore in many different ways. i mean, he was an embodiment of the greatest generation, enormous suffering he went through and perseverance and determination to recover and build back his body and his life in the '40s and '50s. there was that cigar box they put out of the drugstore in his hometown of russell, kansas where they collected money to help pay for his hospital bills after world war ii and i remember i think i am right that in the week that he announced for president in 1996 they brought out the original box at an event in russell, kansas. he started off in washington as a fairly conventional even hard edged partisan, talked about democrat wars in 1976. you know, on the ticket but really evolved in the '70s and '80s to be one of the great -- and '90s to be one of the greatest deal makers and consensus builders with the contemporary teddy kennedy in many of those years and as a job description that doesn't exist anymore. the ability to build coalitions across party lines simply just isn't possible in the same way that it was then and he was a towering figure as nancy mapelo said. >> it's a great point. thinking a lot about today but when lawmakers passed. today senator mitch mcconnell praised dole for conservative victories and it seems like both of those things, to some degree congressional criticism over the last five years and bipartisanship are all by gone now. i don't want to be like everything was back better then and all those types of things. it's a very different moment now in politics. >> well, things are fluid back then at least. i mean, you can debate whether they were better but they were certainly more fluid. the lines between the parties were not as absolute or rigged in the regional divides weren't as rigged. there were democrats from north dakota and south dakota and nebraska and republicans from the coast and the ability to get things done particularly in this long era basically from the late 30s until the early '90s required a legislators who could build coalitions that did not exist without them and dole was brilliant at doing that and willing to do that on issues like the voting rights act, which he played a critical part working with joe biden in reauthorizing in the early 1980s. every republican has voted against in the senate reauthorizing the voting rights act and he did this on many issues. he raised taxes to reduce the deficit after the regan tax cuts, blew a bigger hole in the deficit than people expected. he was willing to kind of make an independent judgment outside of the lines of, you know, just simply party loyalty plus he was a brilliant whit. unless my memory is totally screwed up, i was on "meet the press" with tim russert as one of the two questions on the day bob dole passed hubert heumphry as the most frequent guest in 1994 and i remember him lingering with absolutely kind of brilliant withering putdowns of everybody in both parties and of course, you remember his famous line at the regan funeral describing ford, carter and nixon as see no evil, hear no evil and evil. >> evil. yeah. i want to ask more about that. because it was interesting. he was well-known to be like one of the funniest members of the senate when you do polling and staffers and members. sharp whit. dark at times. but even though he lost to president clinton in 1996 was always a good sport and made fun of himself on "saturday night live" and did a late night show after 1998. when he was done with his career, he was doing pepsi commercials, dunkin' donuts commercials and a viagra commercial appearing in this commercial that you're looking at now that was actually huge for viagra becoming more main stream at the time. one thing, does it speak to this idea of how americans trusted him to some degree even though he lost by a large margin in the presidential race? >> look, people respected dole enormously even though he lost by a large margin. you know, he, you know, he -- clinton was able to structure that race as future versus past and dole was sort of clouded by the response to the gingrich revolution in which he was very much of an unwilling participant but there is never any question of kind of americans and i think certainly in washington the respect for dole as an individual not only for what he had become but in the way he had evolved beyond his original -- i mean, he genuinely was in later parts of his career a statesman. it surprised a lot of people how enthusiastically he endorsed trump in 2016 outwhen he endors politics in the '70s through the '90s but he was someone who really kind of you felt that he was going to make an honest assessment of each issue without being totally locked in in the same way we are now, you know, by these rigged partisan divides and the viagra thing was interesting. he wouldn't talk about those issues. that was the ad itself kind of noted that and it was kind of a break through and later of course, he made fun of himself in his ads for pepsi. legislator, he had a deep need and understood as johnson, at the end of the day, they were all americans and your enemy today may be your ally tomorrow. that's a war we don't inhabit anymore. it's more rigged and more absolute and it is a loss with the kind of legislators like dole and kennedy and mccain that simply are not with us anymore. >> yeah, as you can see by the statements coming out from every corner of every party today. ron brownstein, thanks, sir. >> thanks. former president barack obama tweeting his statement on the death of senator bob dole. obama writing senator dole was a war hero, a political leader and statesman with a demeanor harkening back to a day where the members abided by a certain code, putting country over party. our thoughts are with elizabeth and the dole family. new tonight, he helped the school shooting suspect's parents when they were wanted hours by the police. now he's come forward. we'll tell you when he's saying about the couple. millions of students and staff have taken part in school shooting drills but the drills may actually create some deadly situations. and we're calling out those republican lawmakers going all in on pandemic denial. more in the cnn newsroom. 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>> you know, it seems that we'll be able to manage the new testing requirement and very much support the extension of the mask mandate through march of 2022 but we -- i wouldn't say that, you know, generally speaking, we need to look at an individual's risk assessment. we need to make sure we're not doing whole sale country travel bans and avoid any type of accelerated type of quarantine or any other travel restriction that isn't really looking at the individual risk of a person. so, you know, we need to figure out how to balance not only the economy and the health concerns simultaneously but we also need to think about making sure that we can still welcome international travelers here to the u.s. >> well, you answered in your statement when the change on testing policy was announced, you noted it's critically important that we communicate this policy change clearly. that seems obvious to some degree but seemed to have a point there. do you feel like this is communicated clearly? do you feel like you had the time given how fast this seemed to come into play? >> you know, i think there is still going to be a lot more work to do. i think the whole of the industry i have needs to be making sure that we can communicate. brand usa is an important extension to the u.s. they communicate internationally. we've got the statement department and that's why the shared communication really is so important because we're seeing different travel restrictions obviously across the whole globe and that's again why we get down to one type of requirement where we have the testing mechanism and a vaccine mandate. you know, that's really important but we can't just have, you know, places where we are just restricting travel to. on november 8th when we finally reopened to the rest of the globe, it was really important for the travel industry and country to start to recover from an economic standpoint. we think with the vaccine requirement, with the testing mechanism in place, we need to look again just at an individual risk and need to be able to things. >> it's not always time you have. thanks so much for taking the time. really appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> all right. now to new developments in the shooting rampage at a michigan high school that left four dead and another student charged with their murders. the man authorities thought might have helped -- crumbley's parents ditch police let the crumbley's use his work space but unaware they were wanted. after their arrest, he contacted police. he's not been charged in a crime. in a letter to parents, the school districtintendent reveals details about the events leading up to the shooting and promises a third party investigation into how the red flags were handled. senior legal analyst ellie honing joins me now. ellie, i think this has been the issue i've had the most questions about, i think, once the parents at least were detained to some degree in terms of the school, the school administration. the letter from the superintendent says the school district and officials are criticized for not answering questions over the course of the last several days. how much do you feel like that's a legal strategy to some degree? >> there is definitely a legal angle to it. the school is anticipating at a minimum they will be sued and have lawsuits filed against them seeking monetary damages and the question will be was the school negligent? that's a fairly low standard that just means did they fail to take due care to protect their students? this is really appears to be a fairly egregious case when you look at the student's conduct and hear about these drawings and the things he was writing, which the school and teachers found and took and didn't take sufficient action on. i think the school is in a real tough spot here. i think they're trying to take care of potential legal liability here. >> is there anything on the criminal side? we talked to the oakland county sheriff yesterday. obviously had a news conference yesterday. is there any area where there could be criminal issues that school officials or administrators may face here? >> i think that's very unlikely, phil. i think look, the charge against the parents was unusual. i think it's very well supported because they, themselves i think were most directly responsible for helping this child obtain the gun and encouraging him to essentially blow off the school when he got caught searching for ammu ammunition. i think there is a strong case, unusual but strong against the parents. i think it's probably a bridge too far to be thinking about criminal charges against the school. they could have civil liability but i don't see criminal liability for the school here. >> now that you mentioned the parents. the crumbley's defense attorney says the couple fully intended to turn themselves in. here is that statement in yesterday's virtual arraignment. take a listen. >> last night and throughout the day, we were in contact with our clients. they were scared. they were terrified. they were not at home. they were figuring out what to do getting finances in order but our clients were absolutely going to turn themselves in. it was just a matter of logistics and all the prosecution had to do was communicate with me about it. >> what do you make of that claim? >> wow, do i not buy that, phil, for several reasons. first of all, when you're wanted for manslaughter, you don't get to take your time and get your finances in order. i'm not sure how withdrawing $4,000 cash is getting finances in order. it makes absolutely no sense. you don't have the luxury of surrendering at your leisure. also, phil, it's worth noting this will hurt the parents in the case against them. the district attorney, the prosecutor has said publicly that she's considering additional charges against them relating to the flight. also really important. when a prosecutor tries these parents for involuntarily manslaughter, i've been in the situation. you stand in front of the jury and say why did they take off? do innocent people that are not guilty take off? of course not. it shows you they were guilty. it shows you they knew of it. that can be really powerful evidence in front of a jury. >> yeah, seems to be the case hiding in a warehouse with fully planning to turn themselves in seems to contradict its self a bit. thanks so much. >> thanks, phil. >> all right. you're in the cnn newsroom. up next, are school shooting drills putting kids in danger? 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>> that's something that we're really concerned about. it's something that's really hard to study but i think the idea behind things like active shooter drills and increased security is that the perpetrators of the shootings are outsiders coming in to attack the school but when you realize that most of these perpetrators are insiders, students of the school, they're classmates moving in and out of the hallways every day and moving through the active shooter drills with everyone else over and over again. there have been cases where that insider knowledge of how the school is going to respond has actually increased casualties rather than decreased them. >> now, you also say in addition to some other potential flaws, these drills can trigger a dangerous fascination in vulnerable students. tell me more about what you're seeing there. >> yeah, there is a few concerns about drills. so one is that they can make students feel really afraid. they can increase anxiety. they can be traumatizing especially ones that use things like live action role play. but we also know that school shootings are socially contagious. when one happens, others happen. shooters tend to study other shooters and get ideas. there is some concern for me as a psychologist if we're running young people through these scenarios over and over and over again, could we be normalize this violence and increasing their fascination with it? >> so i mean, given what you're laying out here, what's the answer here? school shootings are a reality. is the answer to do no prerp ra -- preparation, no training, no drilling for the students? >> absolutely not. you want if the worst-case scenario happens, you want students to be prepared and the adults in the school to be very aware of the protocols and there are ways to do drills that really minimize anxiety for students. but more importantly, we have been focussing so much on drilling these students on making them prepare for their own deaths. i'm trying to minimize casualties and react to a shooting once it already happens. our research has shown there are tangible things we can be doing to prevent a shooting from happening in the first place and it's probably a better place to be focussing our resources. >> yeah, it's so interesting. it's sad we have to have this discussion but it's a real discussion every parent is thinking about. thanks for sharing. >> absolutely. thanks for having me. >> all right. breaking news, right now, the biden administration is expected to announce that no u.s. government officials will attend the 2022 beijing olympics. we'll go live to the white house when we come back. and celebrate every kiss... ...with kay. why hide your skin if dupixent has your moderate to severe eczema or atopic dermatitis under control? 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[uplifting music playing] ♪ i had a dream that someday ♪ ♪ i would just fly, fly away ♪ we have breaking news. just into cnn several sources saying the biden administration is expected to announce a move amid calls to be put on china over human rights concerns. joe, what are we learning right now. >> reporter: phil, we did know president biden was under pressure from political sources including the speaker of the house on capitol hill to use the olympics in someway to send a message to china about human rights abuses and we know also that going all the way back to 1980, u.s. presidents have used the olympics in someway to try to send a message including jimmy carter's boycotting of the olympics and not allowing the athletes to go. now we know what president biden is going to do. cnn's kaitlan collins reports tonight that what the president has decided to do is to institute a diplomatic boycott, which means u.s. government officials will not participate in the 2022 olympic games in beijing but what this does is allows the athletes, the u.s. athletes to continue to participate those athletes who have made the olympic team because as many people know, a lot of olympic athletes get exactly one shot to participate in the olympic games and the president is not taking that away from them by doing this. so the news tonight from cnn's kaitlan collins is that the president is instituting a diplomatic boycott for the beijing games, which means u.s. officials will not participate. phil? >> yeah, important point. different from 1980 but sending a message, one lawmakers have been calling for. thanks so much. there are a number of issues that contributed to pressure that has been driving the white house about this potential diplomatic boycott over the course of the last several weeks, human issues and treatment of democracy advocates in hong kong and aggressive military leaders aimed at taijuan and just recently questions about the treatment of a tennis champion that had a few rare opinions accusing a top government official of sexual assault. i spoke with rene stubs on the tennis world's mounting pressure on china and howolympics. thank you for taking the time. it's an important story. we saw what they did. why is the atp not following the lead and making a statement here? >> i guess your question is as good as mine. they've been put under pressure from some well-known people into tennis and asked the question that was a poor effort with them with the statement they made and a statement without making a statement. so i think the ntp certainly has a little bit of questions we need some answers from them about being stronger because they also have a tremendous amount of tennis events in china so the ball is really as you said at the start. it's really in their port to stand beside us in solidarity with the wta and women's tennis association. we'll see if they step up more to the plate in the next couple days. >> so i have a pretty good idea to answer this question but you actually understand the dynamics because you've lived them and within them for your career. what are the consequences of the atp deciding to pull out a tournament from china? what are the consequences of the wta taking their stance? >> well, i mean, money. i mean, let's face it. that's what it comes down to. obviously the wta has to find a tremendous amount of money in sponsors to be able to put on events at that time of the year. obviously will. we hope that the chinese government does what we never ask, which is do an investigation into the obligations that punctuate is made and certainly want to hear from her and hear she's safe and this is not the stuff we see from state media. we want to see her living free and she's fine and safe and until then the wtf suorganizati suspended all tournaments. if that's the case and we pull out of china completely, we need to find cities and sponsors that will put on the event. we had up to ten or 11 events in china. the men have a tremendous amount of events. they have to find cities and sponsors to put the events on the calendar. >> here you mentioned the money issue. obviously logistical issues. players are concerned about that. to broaden it out a little bit, there is pleasure on the international olympic committee to say something to some degree. the olympics are in the country in a couple months. is money the exact reason they're not saying anything? they've been the weakest of everyone in what they're saying here. >> the ioc has a lot of questions to answer really because i think they sort of became a bit of a propaganda when they put out that video of her. she's doing the video but what is she under duress. where is this video taken? so yes, absolutely the ioc has big questions to answer, as well. of course it comes down to money. this is what it's about. beijing is a month away for the winter olympics so they're definitely going to be asked this question at nausea over the next few weeks. we definitely want to hear, they need to be more powerful on the wta. i'm proud of the wta in so many ways because they're being the big girls in the room when it comes to this situation. >> i want to bring in our next guest, the author of "the coming collapse of china." gordon, we've been expecting this to some degree over the course of the last week or two. lawmakers in both parties are calling for it not recently for months if you're mitt romney, nancy pelosi. what do you make of the message sent with the potential diplomatic boycott of the beijing olympics? >> first of all, this is a step in the right direction and a powerful message. if you go back two months, people would not have thought this would occur. this is a dynamic situation. anything can happen. so i don't think we can say for 100% sure that the olympics are going to be held on february 4th. probably they will be but global opinion changed very fast in the space of about two weeks. >> what do you make of the calculations of the administration? a couple weeks ago, a long awaited virtual summit between president xi and biden, you know, they didn't solve all the world's problems and not major break throughs but at least something viewed on the u.s. side taking down the temperature a bit and to follow with this which the chinese are clearly going to react to. what is the strategy here? >> i'm sure the biden administration didn't want to do this. no government really wants to impose costs on china but the issue though is that we're not driving events right now. it's beijing. and it's not just with regard to the united states, they're also doing this to other countries, as well. xi jinping is forcing them to make decisions they don't want to make. i don't think president biden wanted to do this but not left with much choice with things that have occurred recently. >> i'd work under the assumption administration officials were when talking about this, there will be a diplomatic reprisal from china. will that be -- what would that look like do you think based on what you've seen over the years? >> over the years when china has threatened reprisals, they've generally been very mild or not been imposed at all. now, this time is probably going to be different. xi jinping realizes olympics and pride is at stake. i don't know what it will be but china needs the united states much more than the other way around. any sort of reprisal will hurt china probably far more than it's going to hurt us. >> yeah, this is going to be fascinating to watch going forward. everybody in the white house knows this is a defining relationship right now and this is definitely a new twist to it. t thanks as always for your insight and expertise. >> thank you. >> a number of republicans are keeping up the fight against science. one appears to advocate contracting covid-19. i'll explain or try to for the record. stay with us. this is your home. this is your family room slash gym. the guest bedroom slash music studio. the daybed slash dog bed. the living room slash yoga shanti slash regional office slash classroom. and this is the basement slash panic room. maybe what your family needs is a vacation home slash vacation home. find yours on the vrbo app. ♪ deon, hand it over. now how does that make you feel? 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