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>> as the omicron variant is detected in more u.s. states, new travel rules set to take effect monday. >> we really don't want to ban people in countries. we want to keep cases out. and so buffing up testing and having testing done before travel and then again after travel makes a lot of sense. the latest u.s. intel we've just heard, just reported saying there could be up to 175,000 russian troops there put in place for any plan to invade ukraine. >> i don't know what they're going to do, but i'm very, very concerned about, you know, their posture. a rare blizzard warning has been issued for the big island of hawaii where more snow has fallen this winter season than in denver, colorado. ♪ i'm phil mattingly in washington. pamela brown has the day off and you're in the "cnn newsroom." we start this hour with cnn. former cnn anchor chris cuomo formally terminated by this network effective immediately. that announcement coming from a cnn corporate news release just a short time ago. the fallout is from an even deeper investigation, we're learning, into how chris cuomo helped his brother, the former governor of new york, who was accused of sexual harassment. now, there's a lot of new information here, so i want to go straight to cnn chief media correspondent and anchor of "reliable sources," brian stelter. he's here with me to go through it all. this is fast-moving and breaking right now but as journalists, there are certain lines that you can not cross, family or no. >> that's absolutely right and this has been a long time coming. cnn stood by chris cuomo in may when he acknowledged that he was having conversations with his brother's aides. cnn said that was inappropriate and that would stop. he said he stopped communicating to those aides at that point. then there were further revelations in august around the time andrew cuomo eventually resigned as governor of new york. chris went on the air and said i'm not an advisor, i'm a brother. he said he was putting family first and that put a lot of cnn journalists in a very awkward position. there was a discomfort back then about the situation, but cnn kept cuomo on the air. he continued anchoring his program, and he has a lot of fans who wanted to see him on the air. but what changed this week, phil, is the release of a report by the new york attorney general, leticia james, put out documents, thousands of them, text messages, sworn testimony, some of the underlying material of her investigation into andrew cuomo and among those text messages were lots of messages involving chris cuomo and the exact conversations he was having with the governor's aides and allies. some of those showed that chris cuomo was acting basically as an unpaid staffer. he was in the virtual war room trying to defend his brother in ways that were journalististicly improper. here's the statement from cnn. "chris cuomo was suspended earlier this week, pending further evaluation. we retained a respected law firm to conduct the review and have terminated him effective immediately." while in the process of that review, additional information has come to light, despite the termination, we will investigate as appropriate. so, two notes there. we didn't know there was a law firm involved until today. that is notable. additional information has come to light. we don't know what that is. presumably cnn management knows ha that is but the "newsroom" does not and nobody else does either. now, we know that cuomo was notified on this earlier today. i reached out to him for comment and here is what he said to me in a text message. this is not how i want my time at cnn to end. but i've already told you why and how i helped my brother, so let me now say as disappointing as this is, i could not be more proud of the team at cuomo primetime and the work we did at cnn's number one show in the most competitive time slot. he says i owe them all and will miss that group of special people who did really important work. this is certainly a complex situation. you have some cnn staffers who wanted cuomo forced out. you had others who believed he deserved a second chance. ultimately, there were so many headaches here, so many journalistic fouls that management decided it was untenable for him to remain with the company. television anchors do come and go, phil, but cuomo was a larger than life presence on this network and there's going to be a lot of feelings in the days to come. >> obviously, this just happened a short while ago. it's still breaking and i think evolving as the minutes go on, but do we have, at this point in time, any idea of what will happen to that kind of coveted primetime time slot on cnn? >> right, 9:00 p.m. is the highest-rated hour across a lot of cable news, not just at cnn, but msnbc as well. cuomo was a prominent presence in primetime, so his absence is a big deal as well. we know as viewers saw anderson cooper filling in, next week, michael smerconish was already lined up to smerconish will be anchoring this coming week. it's interesting from a television dynamics point of view, rachel maddow is on the way out at msnbc at 9:00 p.m. so there's a big vacancy at 9:00 p.m. that's going to be a television news insider story but the reason this matters to everybody is that viewers need to be able to trust what they're hearing here on television, when we're covering a sensitive story, even if it involves the family member of a colleague. this case was very, very complicated, and now in some ways, phil, it's been made a lot less complicated because cuomo has been terminated. >> no, that's absolutely for sure. brian stelter, thank you so much. i know you probably have a long night ahead of you. i appreciate the time. >> thanks. all right, and now to michigan. and the first court appearance by the parents of the accused school shooter. james and jennifer crumbley were arraigned by video conference this morning. both entered not guilty pleas to the four charges of involuntary manslaughter filed against them. jennifer crumbley cried when acknowledging the charges. this exclusive video, you'll see right here, shows the couple taken into custody early this morning after an hours-long manhunt. a tip led police to a detroit warehouse after the crumbleys failed to turn themselves in on friday. their attorney says it's simply a misunderstanding. >> last night and throughout the day, we were in contact with our clients. they were scared. they were terrified. they were not at home. they were figuring out what to do, getting finances in order, but our clients were absolutely going to turn themselves in. it was just a matter of logistics, and all the prosecution had to do was communicate with me about it. >> now, a short time ago, the sheriff overseeing the case is a person who may have helped the couple hide could face charges. >> we believe they were assisted in that location to get there, to get in, and we're gathering that information, and we're going to have the totality of that done fairly soon, and present that to our prosecutor for potential charges for either aiding and abetting or obstruction of justice. >> the couple's son, 15-year-old ethan, was arrested tuesday and faces multiple charges, including four first-degree murder counts. four students were killed in the oxford high school shooting, and seven others were injured. i wanted to discuss some of the legal and law enforcement aspects of this case and to help me do that, joining me now, cnn senior law enforcement analyst, former philadelphia police commissioner charles ramsey and cnn legal analyst, paul callan, an experienced defense attorney and former prosecutor. i want to start with you, because i think i've been struck, and i assume most people have by the crumbleys' defense attorneys kind of going on offense over the course of the last day or so, blaming prosecutors and law enforcement for their clients' fearing for safety, the same clients that were hiding in detroit in a warehouse. now, as a defense attorney, when you watch what their attorneys are doing right now, do you feel like that's a smart approach at this point? >> yeah, i think they're really going a bit overboard on this. i mean, it's one thing, of course, if you're defending somebody, you're always going to maintain they're innocent and being treated unfairly, but to try to turn them into the victims in a case where, you know, four high school kids have been gunned down, presumably by their son, that's a bit of an overreach, i would say, to say the least. >> yeah, and it's striking. i understand the court of public opinion matters too, to some attorneys, but it's hard not to notice what they're trying to do. commissioner ramsey, the prosecutor held the news conference yesterday before alerting the sheriff's office that she was filing the charges. i think there seemed to be a little bit of a dispute there behind the scenes. do you feel like that was a mistake? >> well, i mean, it was clearly a miscommunication there. you know, normally, you don't have a press conference announcing charges until you either have the people in custody or a cop is actually looking right at them and can take them immediately into custody. so, there was clearly a miscommunication. i think after the sheriff's press conference today, that's all been cleared up now, and the real focus ought to be on the four individuals that lost their lives and the families that are now planning a funeral as opposed to buying christmas presents for those kids. i mean, that's what's important. the rest of this stuff is background noise. >> yeah, no, there's no question about that. paul, you know, the parents are facing right now four counts of involuntary manslaughter, but if you look back over time, there's usually a reason, i think, why a lot of cases like this haven't been brought in past shootings. as a former prosecutor, how tough is it to build the case against the parents here? >> it's extraordinarily difficult, and this obviously is a send-a-message indictment and the d.a. herself said that, really, at a press conference. she was trying to send a message with the indictment. but you have to be able to prove an indictment also, and there are two things you have to prove in an involuntary manslaughter case. one, that there was gross negligence in what something that the parents did. they're going to say they didn't lock the weapon up carefully enough and a 15-year-old kid got ahold of the weapon. number two, though, you have to prove that that caused the death of the victims involved and that's where they're going to have the problem. because obviously, it was their son who caused the death of the individuals, involved by pulling the trigger on that gun, and the parents are now saying that they had locked the gun up, so presumably, the defense at trial is going to be that the 15-year-old had figured out a way around the locking system for wherever the gun was being kept. so, there are a lot of potential defenses here that are going to give the prosecutor a great deal of difficulty and will establish why it's very rare that these kinds of charges are brought against parents. >> yeah, no, it will be fascinating to watch how this portion of everything plays out. commissioner ramsey, the defense attorneys here are challenging the claim that the alleged gun used in the shooting was a christmas gift. now they say, as paul was saying, the gun was kept under lock and key. how central are these claims to proving their role in this if you're the prosecution? >> well, i would think it's pretty essential, but again, you know, i believe there's evidence to show that they bought it as a christmas gift. there's text messages from the mother. you know, her and ethan were at the range shooting, and those kinds of things. and as far as it being secure, obviously, it wasn't secured well enough. the kid got the gun, took it to school, and committed the homicides. i mean, so, you know, how secure could it have been? obviously, not enough. >> yeah, it will be interesting to watch how this plays out, as you guys said, the four victims are what matters more than anything else. charles ramsey and paul callan, thank you so much. we'll be speaking to the oakland county, michigan, sheriff in our 8:00 p.m. eastern hour. stay tuned for that. president biden and russian president vladimir putin, they plan to talk by video conference on tuesday about an alarming build-up of russian troops on the ukraine border. today, the u.s. army chief of staff estimated about 100,000 russian soldiers are already there. and it's believed another 75,000 could join them. president biden warned on friday that he would make it, quote, very, very difficult for russia to launch an invasion. cnn's joe johns jones me now from the white house, and joe, ukraine is clearly worried at this point that a russian offensive is possible. how concerned are american officials that this could happen in a matter of months? >> reporter: they are concerned about it, and they don't know exactly what's going on, but first i have to say that jen psaki, the white house press secretary, put out a statement just a little while ago confirming, as the kremlin already has, that putin and president biden will have their video call on tuesday, and one of the big topics of conversation will be that tens of thousands of russian troops massing on the ukraine border, the key question is whether vladimir putin is planning an invasion of ukraine or if this is -- could be something else. it's just not clear, but what is clear is that putin is very concerned about the possibility of ukraine going into nato. he says he doesn't want that to happen. president biden, on departure today, or this weekend, to camp david, was asked what he would do if russia invaded ukraine. he really didn't answer the question, but he did say this. listen. >> we're aware of russia's actions for a long time. and my expectation is we're going to have a long discussion. >> do you accept putin's red line on ukraine? >> i don't accept anybody's red line. >> there's a u.s. intel report out that indicates one of the reasons why it's so hard to figure out what the russians are doing is because they're moving the troops around in such a way as to hide their motivation. back to you, phil. >> yeah, it's the big open question, what's the intent here? is it messaging? is it geopolitical positioning? joe johns on it as always. thank you very much. still ahead this hour, a blizzard warning for the big island of hawaii? while the mainland suffers a rare snow drought. then, next hour, the incredible origin story behind merck's groundbreaking antiviral covid pill, one of the doctors who helped deliver the new treatment joins me live. before that, i'll ask democratic congresswoman about the former trump officials stonewalling the january 6th investigation. she joins me live in a moment. w iphone 13 pro and airpods, and t-mobile is paying for them both! and this is for new and existing customers. upgrade to the iphone 13 pro and airpods both on us. only at t-mobile. for people who could use a lift new neutrogena® rapid firming. a triple-lift serum with pure collagen. 92% saw visibly firmer skin in just 4 weeks. neutrogena® for people with skin. ♪ what the he— henry? 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"the idea to gather on january 6th was organic and it wasn't until the president said that he wanted to address the various groups that the plans came together. but before the final word came down from congress that the election was settled, he wanted to make sure that all those people he had met over his four years, the ones who had shown up at every rally, listened to his speeches and had written him letters about their frustrations with the establishment would have one more chance to make their voices heard and encourage each other. he did not call for violence, and he did not expect that anyone would enter the capitol building. >> congresswoman zoe lofgren sits on the committee. when you hear excerpts like that from the mark meadows book, what goes through your mind as somebody who was there in the capitol on january 6th? >> well, it doesn't match the reality that i saw and experienced. nor the evidence that we are accumulating. but you know, we'll get to the bottom of this. we'll get all the facts, and we will present it all to the american people, and inform ourselves as to what legislation should be adopted to make sure this never happens again. >> obviously, there's been a lot of attention on mark meadows' book. your fellow committee member, congressman adam schiff, says meadows' new book raises questions about the very claims of executive privilege he's been planning to present. how much do you believe he'll cooperate when he's expected to testify next week? >> well, we'll see. he's acknowledged, through his attorney, that clearly there are questions that would have really, in your wildest dreams, could not be connected with any claim of executive privilege. i haven't read the book. it's not out yet. but you can't talk about things that you claim are privileged in another form and refuse to talk about it with the congress. so we'll see whether he's waived any claims. also, privilege is -- the holder of the privilege is the president of the united states, not the former president. and president biden has indicated in other settings that it's so important to get to the bottom of this that he would not count this an assertion of executive privilege relative to this investigation for the most part. now, when mark meadows comes in, we will ask him a series of questions, and if he has any issue with them, they have to be raised on a question-by-question basis, and then we'll make a decision whether they're valid or not. >> yeah, and obviously, the president's counsel office has not been remotely subtle about what you just raised in terms of the current president's position. i'm interested, steve bannon's now formally charged with contempt of congress, yet witnesses like eastman and clark are planning to defy, essentially, the committee. why do you think that is at this point? >> well, mr. clark came in and essentially blew us off, refused to answer any questions, and left the deposition. we wanted to give him another chance, and ultimately, after a series of very long and to some extent weird letters received by his lawyers, they'd indicate that he would come in and that he had a fifth amendment right, which is interesting. it's worth reading the fifth amendment. no person shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, so i guess he believes that there's a criminal case against him, which is extraordinary. now, again, he has to assert any fifth amendment privilege on a question-by-question basis, and of course, the committee does have the option of granting him a use immunity if we think that's appropriate. so, he was supposed to come in today. he had a health issue. we were skeptical, frankly, given his recalcitrance, but we have been assured and we're -- we agree that his health excuse is legit. and so, we will see him, we hope, on the 16th. as for mr. eastman, same thing. i mean, we will be asking him questions. if he thinks that his behavior would result in a criminal prosecution, he has a chance to assert his fifth amendment rights and then we have an opportunity to decide whether to grant him immunity in order to compel his testimony. so, we shall see. we're working very hard. it's worth remembering that about 250 witnesses have already come in, many who were employed during the trump administration, so these high-profile cases, obviously, are in the news, but meanwhile, the committee and our staff are plugging along, putting together the information. >> yeah. as one of your colleagues told me last week, there's a lot going on underneath the water that we aren't all seeing at this point in time. thank you so much for your time on a saturday. really appreciate it. >> you bet. all right, one of the nation's top doctors says omicron could become the dominant coronavirus variant in the u.s. we all have a lot of questions right now, so dr. jonathan reiner will join us next to answer them. stay with us. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ with chase security features, guidance and convenience, banking feels good. chase. make more of what's yours. a mountain of toys to fulfill many wishes must be carried across all roads and all bridges. it's not magic that makes more holiday deliveries to homes in the us than anyone else, it's the hardworking people of the united states postal service. what does it feel like to sell your car to carvana? 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>> so, we're looking for a few things. first of all, we're looking to see what happens to hospitalizations. as people get covid-19, hospitalizations are going to increase. but you want to look at the pace of hospitalizations relative to prior spikes, and get a sense for whether more people are being hospitalized or people being hospitalized quicker or there are more icu admissions, and you know, right now, in south africa, that doesn't quite appear to be the case. hospitalizations are certainly rising. rates of infection are really skyrocketing in south africa. but one thing to remember is that south africa had very little delta prior to the emergence of omicron. so, there was very fertile ground, plus they had about 75% of the population had not been vaccinated. so, there was a lot of opportunity for a new variant to take hold and take hold very quickly. so, we'll have to see what happens in a place like the united states where almost 60% of the population is fully vaccinated now, and in western europe where rates are about the same to see how that changes the mix and what happens to hospitalization rates. as infections go up, people are going to get hospitalized, but the other thing to remember is that the people at most risk of the most serious complications, the elderly in the united states, are overwhelmingly vaccinated. >> and protected. i want to get to at least one or two viewer questions here. >> yeah. >> because i put out the word. the first one is, will there be boosters for 12 to 17-year-olds? it has been more than six months since my teen got their second shot. >> right. probably. there are a couple of unknowns. first of all, we know that for most of the age groups, at least for all the age groups studied, the efficacy of the vaccine does appear to decline after six months. the question is, does it decline as -- at the same pace for 12 to 17-year-olds who have very robust immune systems? we'll have to see. the other piece of that puzzle is understanding if, particularly with the mrna vaccines, is there any hazard to boosting a 12-year-old or a 15-year-old, any hazard in terms of the risk of something like myocarditis? probably not. and also what is the correct dose to boost an adolescent? and only clinical trials can answer these questions. they're ongoing. my guess is that we will be boosting at some point this winter, 12 to 17-year-olds. >> okay. dr. reiner, appreciate it as always. i think we're going to ask you a couple questions during the break too. i'll tweet them out because we got plenty. i mentioned your name, people respond. dr. reiner, thank you so much, sir. i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. all right, a majority of americans want roe vs. wade to be left alone, but after this week's huge supreme court hearing, time could be running out on the nation's long standing abortion law. amy stoddard and larry join me next to discuss. to generate income, even when you're not working. a plan that gives you the chance to grow your savings and create cash flow that lasts. along the way, we'll give you ways to be tax efficient. and you can start, stop or adjust your plan at any time without the unnecessary fees. we'll help you go from saving... to living. ♪ play all day ♪ i suffered with psoriasis for so long. it was kind of a shock after i started cosentyx. i'm still clear, five years now. cosentyx works fast to give you clear skin that can last. real people with psoriasis look and feel better with cosentyx. don't use if you're allergic to cosentyx. before starting, get checked for tuberculosis. an increased risk of infections --some serious-- and the lowered ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor about an infection or symptoms, or if you've had a vaccine or plan to. tell your doctor if your crohn's disease symptoms develop or worsen. serious allergic reactions may occur. i look and feel so much better. see me. ask your dermatologist if cosentyx could help you move past the pain of psoriasis. i brought in ensure max protein, with thirty grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks! 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(excited yell) woo-hoo! ensure max protein. with thirty grams of protein, one gram of sugar, and nutrients to support immune health. the supreme court considered this week one of the country's most polarizing issues, abortion. >> as i understand it, you're arguing that the constitution is silent and therefore neutral on the question of abortion? >> usually, there has to be a justification, a strong justification in a case like this, beyond the fact that you think the case is wrong. >> if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time? >> to re-examine a watershed decision would subvert the court's legitimacy beyond any serious question. >> now, the court's conservative majority looks likely to uphold mississippi ban on abortions after 15 weeks, and potentially overturn roe vs. wade altogether. a ruling is expected in june, and it could trigger immediate bans in 21 states, affecting more than 100 million americans and just before the 2022 midterms. that's what we're going to talk about. joining us now to discuss, associate editor and columnist at real clear politics a.b. stoddard and larry from the university center for politics. a.b., i want to start with you. on abortion, a recent poll from quinnipiac university found over 60% of americans say they agree with roe vs. wade, including 65% of independents and yet i'm often skeptical of predictions about what's going to drive turnout or excite one side or the other particularly this far in advance of the midterms. do you think if the court does decide to restrict abortion it will have a tangible effect in terms of turnout? >> i do. i just don't think we know how large it will be. i mean, what larry and i are watching in the coming months is whether or not this increases energy on the ground and also obviously increases donations. it doesn't really seem like the electorate, although they were off-year elections in virginia and new jersey, and a few others, on the 2nd of november were showing any response to the new ban in texas. so it's hard to see that this kind of constituency has woken up, but if you see a dramatic result from the court and subsequent bans in other states, you absolutely will see a backlash to this. it just depends on whether or not it's equal on the other side, excitement on the pro-life side, lots of money pouring in, lots of volunteers on the ground, to try to fight against the pro-choice side. this is certainly going to create energy. we're just not sure whether or not it's going to end up being consequential to the vote ultimately in the midterm elections next year in terms of helping the democrats or helping the republicans. >> yeah, it's -- in the wake of texas, i think a lot of us have been waiting to see how this -- things would start to play out, particularly with this looming at the supreme court. it hasn't seemed like it's started to move things yet but it's early. larry, moving on to another central issue in politics and in life at this point in time, president biden enacting new covid restrictions to fight the omicron variant, starting on monday, the u.s. will have stricter testing requirements for international travelers. president pushing forward with mask mandates t business requirements he's put into place as well. take a listen to how senator mike lee, republican from utah, reacted this week. >> i think it's difficult to understand why anyone would want to use the overpowering force of the federal government to tell someone that if they don't cooperate with the ordained presidential medical orthodoxy, they will be fired. it's going to come back up again. it will come back up in a future v vote vote-a-rama. it's going to come back again. >> the senator was talking about his amendment to defund the restrictions that were being pursued by the labor department, by osha. larry, i'm intrigued by this because i talked to white house officials and they want this fight. they are more than happy to have this fight but do you think senator lee is right that republicans can use continued covid restrictions as a political weapon against democrats? >> oh, yes, absolutely, in red states and in some red-leaning purple states, competitive states. in blue states, of course, there's strong support for mandates and even in the red states, democrats and many independents support the mandates. so, i don't think it clearly favors one party overall in the country, but that's not how we vote. we vote by individual congressional districts and state by state for governor and u.s. senator. >> yeah, a.b., kind of along those lines, axios is reporting mitch mcconnell has told colleagues and donors that senate republicans won't release a legislative agenda ahead of the midterms. anybody guffawing at that might not remember the 2014 senate republican run where they also didn't have one and took majority. do you think republicans can just run against president biden and not offer a contract for america or something like that and win? >> mitch mcconnell is not wrong about this, if you look at the polling, the wind is at republicans' backs right now and against the democrats, and that's why there's an argument, phil, on the democratic side about whether or not biden is going to succeed in helping the party hold on to power by trying to stress bipartisan accomplishments or whether or not he should be leaning into negative partisanship as well, just as the republicans are doing and that's what the administration is struggling with right now. >> and larry, i actually direct the same question to you. what's your sense? do these legislative agenda ideas, nascent as they may be, matter to voters ahead of a midterm? >> yes, they do matter to voters. the 2% who are elite and actually read this stuff and care about it. as for everybody else, look, it's good government to issue a platform and give people a sense of what you're going to do if you're elected, but it's good politics, as a.b. just suggested, to give people no real hint, although they already know what the republicans are going to do. nobody is in any doubt about what will happen if they take over the house or senate or both. we're talking about extreme gridlock for the final two years of president biden's first term. >> yeah. gridlock in washington? larry, the pessimism. i can't -- >> it's cynical. >> a.b. stoddard, larry sabato, appreciate as always your wisdom and counsel. thanks, guys. all right. this week, a woman who says she suffered years of abuse from jeffrey epstein and ghislaine maxwell took the stand in maxwell's sex trafficking trial. we'll break it all down coming up next. especially at t-mobile! let's go to dianne. can you tell us what's happening? 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>> as the omicron variant is detected in more u.s. states, new travel rules set to take effect monday. >> we really don't want to ban people in countries. we want to keep cases out. and so buffing up testing and having testing done before travel and then again after travel makes a lot of sense. the latest u.s. intel we've just heard, just reported saying there could be up to 175,000 russian troops there put in place for any plan to invade ukraine. >> i don't know what they're going to do, but i'm very, very concerned about, you know, their posture. a rare blizzard warning has been issued for the big island of hawaii where more snow has fallen this winter season than in denver, colorado. ♪ i'm phil mattingly in washington. pamela brown has the day off and you're in the "cnn newsroom." we start this hour with cnn. former cnn anchor chris cuomo formally terminated by this network effective immediately. that announcement coming from a cnn corporate news release just a short time ago. the fallout is from an even deeper investigation, we're learning, into how chris cuomo helped his brother, the former governor of new york, who was accused of sexual harassment. now, there's a lot of new information here, so i want to go straight to cnn chief media correspondent and anchor of "reliable sources," brian stelter. he's here with me to go through it all. this is fast-moving and breaking right now but as journalists, there are certain lines that you can not cross, family or no. >> that's absolutely right and this has been a long time coming. cnn stood by chris cuomo in may when he acknowledged that he was having conversations with his brother's aides. cnn said that was inappropriate and that would stop. he said he stopped communicating to those aides at that point. then there were further revelations in august around the time andrew cuomo eventually resigned as governor of new york. chris went on the air and said i'm not an advisor, i'm a brother. he said he was putting family first and that put a lot of cnn journalists in a very awkward position. there was a discomfort back then about the situation, but cnn kept cuomo on the air. he continued anchoring his program, and he has a lot of fans who wanted to see him on the air. but what changed this week, phil, is the release of a report by the new york attorney general, leticia james, put out documents, thousands of them, text messages, sworn testimony, some of the underlying material of her investigation into andrew cuomo and among those text messages were lots of messages involving chris cuomo and the exact conversations he was having with the governor's aides and allies. some of those showed that chris cuomo was acting basically as an unpaid staffer. he was in the virtual war room trying to defend his brother in ways that were journalististicly improper. here's the statement from cnn. "chris cuomo was suspended earlier this week, pending further evaluation. we retained a respected law firm to conduct the review and have terminated him effective immediately." while in the process of that review, additional information has come to light, despite the termination, we will investigate as appropriate. so, two notes there. we didn't know there was a law firm involved until today. that is notable. additional information has come to light. we don't know what that is. presumably cnn management knows ha that is but the "newsroom" does not and nobody else does either. now, we know that cuomo was notified on this earlier today. i reached out to him for comment and here is what he said to me in a text message. this is not how i want my time at cnn to end. but i've already told you why and how i helped my brother, so let me now say as disappointing as this is, i could not be more proud of the team at cuomo primetime and the work we did at cnn's number one show in the most competitive time slot. he says i owe them all and will miss that group of special people who did really important work. this is certainly a complex situation. you have some cnn staffers who wanted cuomo forced out. you had others who believed he deserved a second chance. ultimately, there were so many headaches here, so many journalistic fouls that management decided it was untenable for him to remain with the company. television anchors do come and go, phil, but cuomo was a larger than life presence on this network and there's going to be a lot of feelings in the days to come. >> obviously, this just happened a short while ago. it's still breaking and i think evolving as the minutes go on, but do we have, at this point in time, any idea of what will happen to that kind of coveted primetime time slot on cnn? >> right, 9:00 p.m. is the highest-rated hour across a lot of cable news, not just at cnn, but msnbc as well. cuomo was a prominent presence in primetime, so his absence is a big deal as well. we know as viewers saw anderson cooper filling in, next week, michael smerconish was already lined up to smerconish will be anchoring this coming week. it's interesting from a television dynamics point of view, rachel maddow is on the way out at msnbc at 9:00 p.m. so there's a big vacancy at 9:00 p.m. that's going to be a television news insider story but the reason this matters to everybody is that viewers need to be able to trust what they're hearing here on television, when we're covering a sensitive story, even if it involves the family member of a colleague. this case was very, very complicated, and now in some ways, phil, it's been made a lot less complicated because cuomo has been terminated. >> no, that's absolutely for sure. brian stelter, thank you so much. i know you probably have a long night ahead of you. i appreciate the time. >> thanks. all right, and now to michigan. and the first court appearance by the parents of the accused school shooter. james and jennifer crumbley were arraigned by video conference this morning. both entered not guilty pleas to the four charges of involuntary manslaughter filed against them. jennifer crumbley cried when acknowledging the charges. this exclusive video, you'll see right here, shows the couple taken into custody early this morning after an hours-long manhunt. a tip led police to a detroit warehouse after the crumbleys failed to turn themselves in on friday. their attorney says it's simply a misunderstanding. >> last night and throughout the day, we were in contact with our clients. they were scared. they were terrified. they were not at home. they were figuring out what to do, getting finances in order, but our clients were absolutely going to turn themselves in. it was just a matter of logistics, and all the prosecution had to do was communicate with me about it. >> now, a short time ago, the sheriff overseeing the case is a person who may have helped the couple hide could face charges. >> we believe they were assisted in that location to get there, to get in, and we're gathering that information, and we're going to have the totality of that done fairly soon, and present that to our prosecutor for potential charges for either aiding and abetting or obstruction of justice. >> the couple's son, 15-year-old ethan, was arrested tuesday and faces multiple charges, including four first-degree murder counts. four students were killed in the oxford high school shooting, and seven others were injured. i wanted to discuss some of the legal and law enforcement aspects of this case and to help me do that, joining me now, cnn senior law enforcement analyst, former philadelphia police commissioner charles ramsey and cnn legal analyst, paul callan, an experienced defense attorney and former prosecutor. i want to start with you, because i think i've been struck, and i assume most people have by the crumbleys' defense attorneys kind of going on offense over the course of the last day or so, blaming prosecutors and law enforcement for their clients' fearing for safety, the same clients that were hiding in detroit in a warehouse. now, as a defense attorney, when you watch what their attorneys are doing right now, do you feel like that's a smart approach at this point? >> yeah, i think they're really going a bit overboard on this. i mean, it's one thing, of course, if you're defending somebody, you're always going to maintain they're innocent and being treated unfairly, but to try to turn them into the victims in a case where, you know, four high school kids have been gunned down, presumably by their son, that's a bit of an overreach, i would say, to say the least. >> yeah, and it's striking. i understand the court of public opinion matters too, to some attorneys, but it's hard not to notice what they're trying to do. commissioner ramsey, the prosecutor held the news conference yesterday before alerting the sheriff's office that she was filing the charges. i think there seemed to be a little bit of a dispute there behind the scenes. do you feel like that was a mistake? >> well, i mean, it was clearly a miscommunication there. you know, normally, you don't have a press conference announcing charges until you either have the people in custody or a cop is actually looking right at them and can take them immediately into custody. so, there was clearly a miscommunication. i think after the sheriff's press conference today, that's all been cleared up now, and the real focus ought to be on the four individuals that lost their lives and the families that are now planning a funeral as opposed to buying christmas presents for those kids. i mean, that's what's important. the rest of this stuff is background noise. >> yeah, no, there's no question about that. paul, you know, the parents are facing right now four counts of involuntary manslaughter, but if you look back over time, there's usually a reason, i think, why a lot of cases like this haven't been brought in past shootings. as a former prosecutor, how tough is it to build the case against the parents here? >> it's extraordinarily difficult, and this obviously is a send-a-message indictment and the d.a. herself said that, really, at a press conference. she was trying to send a message with the indictment. but you have to be able to prove an indictment also, and there are two things you have to prove in an involuntary manslaughter case. one, that there was gross negligence in what something that the parents did. they're going to say they didn't lock the weapon up carefully enough and a 15-year-old kid got ahold of the weapon. number two, though, you have to prove that that caused the death of the victims involved and that's where they're going to have the problem. because obviously, it was their son who caused the death of the individuals, involved by pulling the trigger on that gun, and the parents are now saying that they had locked the gun up, so presumably, the defense at trial is going to be that the 15-year-old had figured out a way around the locking system for wherever the gun was being kept. so, there are a lot of potential defenses here that are going to give the prosecutor a great deal of difficulty and will establish why it's very rare that these kinds of charges are brought against parents. >> yeah, no, it will be fascinating to watch how this portion of everything plays out. commissioner ramsey, the defense attorneys here are challenging the claim that the alleged gun used in the shooting was a christmas gift. now they say, as paul was saying, the gun was kept under lock and key. how central are these claims to proving their role in this if you're the prosecution? >> well, i would think it's pretty essential, but again, you know, i believe there's evidence to show that they bought it as a christmas gift. there's text messages from the mother. you know, her and ethan were at the range shooting, and those kinds of things. and as far as it being secure, obviously, it wasn't secured well enough. the kid got the gun, took it to school, and committed the homicides. i mean, so, you know, how secure could it have been? obviously, not enough. >> yeah, it will be interesting to watch how this plays out, as you guys said, the four victims are what matters more than anything else. charles ramsey and paul callan, thank you so much. we'll be speaking to the oakland county, michigan, sheriff in our 8:00 p.m. eastern hour. stay tuned for that. president biden and russian president vladimir putin, they plan to talk by video conference on tuesday about an alarming build-up of russian troops on the ukraine border. today, the u.s. army chief of staff estimated about 100,000 russian soldiers are already there. and it's believed another 75,000 could join them. president biden warned on friday that he would make it, quote, very, very difficult for russia to launch an invasion. cnn's joe johns jones me now from the white house, and joe, ukraine is clearly worried at this point that a russian offensive is possible. how concerned are american officials that this could happen in a matter of months? >> reporter: they are concerned about it, and they don't know exactly what's going on, but first i have to say that jen psaki, the white house press secretary, put out a statement just a little while ago confirming, as the kremlin already has, that putin and president biden will have their video call on tuesday, and one of the big topics of conversation will be that tens of thousands of russian troops massing on the ukraine border, the key question is whether vladimir putin is planning an invasion of ukraine or if this is -- could be something else. it's just not clear, but what is clear is that putin is very concerned about the possibility of ukraine going into nato. he says he doesn't want that to happen. president biden, on departure today, or this weekend, to camp david, was asked what he would do if russia invaded ukraine. he really didn't answer the question, but he did say this. listen. >> we're aware of russia's actions for a long time. and my expectation is we're going to have a long discussion. >> do you accept putin's red line on ukraine? 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"the idea to gather on january 6th was organic and it wasn't until the president said that he wanted to address the various groups that the plans came together. but before the final word came down from congress that the election was settled, he wanted to make sure that all those people he had met over his four years, the ones who had shown up at every rally, listened to his speeches and had written him letters about their frustrations with the establishment would have one more chance to make their voices heard and encourage each other. he did not call for violence, and he did not expect that anyone would enter the capitol building. >> congresswoman zoe lofgren sits on the committee. when you hear excerpts like that from the mark meadows book, what goes through your mind as somebody who was there in the capitol on january 6th? >> well, it doesn't match the reality that i saw and experienced. nor the evidence that we are accumulating. but you know, we'll get to the bottom of this. we'll get all the facts, and we will present it all to the american people, and inform ourselves as to what legislation should be adopted to make sure this never happens again. >> obviously, there's been a lot of attention on mark meadows' book. your fellow committee member, congressman adam schiff, says meadows' new book raises questions about the very claims of executive privilege he's been planning to present. how much do you believe he'll cooperate when he's expected to testify next week? >> well, we'll see. he's acknowledged, through his attorney, that clearly there are questions that would have really, in your wildest dreams, could not be connected with any claim of executive privilege. i haven't read the book. it's not out yet. but you can't talk about things that you claim are privileged in another form and refuse to talk about it with the congress. so we'll see whether he's waived any claims. also, privilege is -- the holder of the privilege is the president of the united states, not the former president. and president biden has indicated in other settings that it's so important to get to the bottom of this that he would not count this an assertion of executive privilege relative to this investigation for the most part. now, when mark meadows comes in, we will ask him a series of questions, and if he has any issue with them, they have to be raised on a question-by-question basis, and then we'll make a decision whether they're valid or not. >> yeah, and obviously, the president's counsel office has not been remotely subtle about what you just raised in terms of the current president's position. i'm interested, steve bannon's now formally charged with contempt of congress, yet witnesses like eastman and clark are planning to defy, essentially, the committee. why do you think that is at this point? >> well, mr. clark came in and essentially blew us off, refused to answer any questions, and left the deposition. we wanted to give him another chance, and ultimately, after a series of very long and to some extent weird letters received by his lawyers, they'd indicate that he would come in and that he had a fifth amendment right, which is interesting. it's worth reading the fifth amendment. no person shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, so i guess he believes that there's a criminal case against him, which is extraordinary. now, again, he has to assert any fifth amendment privilege on a question-by-question basis, and of course, the committee does have the option of granting him a use immunity if we think that's appropriate. so, he was supposed to come in today. he had a health issue. we were skeptical, frankly, given his recalcitrance, but we have been assured and we're -- we agree that his health excuse is legit. and so, we will see him, we hope, on the 16th. as for mr. eastman, same thing. i mean, we will be asking him questions. if he thinks that his behavior would result in a criminal prosecution, he has a chance to assert his fifth amendment rights and then we have an opportunity to decide whether to grant him immunity in order to compel his testimony. so, we shall see. we're working very hard. it's worth remembering that about 250 witnesses have already come in, many who were employed during the trump administration, so these high-profile cases, obviously, are in the news, but meanwhile, the committee and our staff are plugging along, putting together the information. >> yeah. as one of your colleagues told me last week, there's a lot going on underneath the water that we aren't all seeing at this point in time. thank you so much for your time on a saturday. really appreciate it. >> you bet. all right, one of the nation's top doctors says omicron could become the dominant coronavirus variant in the u.s. we all have a lot of questions right now, so dr. jonathan reiner will join us next to answer them. stay with us. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ with chase security features, guidance and convenience, banking feels good. chase. make more of what's yours. a mountain of toys to fulfill many wishes must be carried across all roads and all bridges. it's not magic that makes more holiday deliveries to homes in the us than anyone else, it's the hardworking people of the united states postal service. what does it feel like to sell your car to carvana? 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>> so, we're looking for a few things. first of all, we're looking to see what happens to hospitalizations. as people get covid-19, hospitalizations are going to increase. but you want to look at the pace of hospitalizations relative to prior spikes, and get a sense for whether more people are being hospitalized or people being hospitalized quicker or there are more icu admissions, and you know, right now, in south africa, that doesn't quite appear to be the case. hospitalizations are certainly rising. rates of infection are really skyrocketing in south africa. but one thing to remember is that south africa had very little delta prior to the emergence of omicron. so, there was very fertile ground, plus they had about 75% of the population had not been vaccinated. so, there was a lot of opportunity for a new variant to take hold and take hold very quickly. so, we'll have to see what happens in a place like the united states where almost 60% of the population is fully vaccinated now, and in western europe where rates are about the same to see how that changes the mix and what happens to hospitalization rates. as infections go up, people are going to get hospitalized, but the other thing to remember is that the people at most risk of the most serious complications, the elderly in the united states, are overwhelmingly vaccinated. >> and protected. i want to get to at least one or two viewer questions here. >> yeah. >> because i put out the word. the first one is, will there be boosters for 12 to 17-year-olds? 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>> i do. i just don't think we know how large it will be. i mean, what larry and i are watching in the coming months is whether or not this increases energy on the ground and also obviously increases donations. it doesn't really seem like the electorate, although they were off-year elections in virginia and new jersey, and a few others, on the 2nd of november were showing any response to the new ban in texas. so it's hard to see that this kind of constituency has woken up, but if you see a dramatic result from the court and subsequent bans in other states, you absolutely will see a backlash to this. it just depends on whether or not it's equal on the other side, excitement on the pro-life side, lots of money pouring in, lots of volunteers on the ground, to try to fight against the pro-choice side. this is certainly going to create energy. we're just not sure whether or not it's going to end up being consequential to the vote ultimately in the midterm elections next year in terms of helping the democrats or helping the republicans. >> yeah, it's -- in the wake of texas, i think a lot of us have been waiting to see how this -- things would start to play out, particularly with this looming at the supreme court. it hasn't seemed like it's started to move things yet but it's early. larry, moving on to another central issue in politics and in life at this point in time, president biden enacting new covid restrictions to fight the omicron variant, starting on monday, the u.s. will have stricter testing requirements for international travelers. president pushing forward with mask mandates t business requirements he's put into place as well. take a listen to how senator mike lee, republican from utah, reacted this week. >> i think it's difficult to understand why anyone would want to use the overpowering force of the federal government to tell someone that if they don't cooperate with the ordained presidential medical orthodoxy, they will be fired. it's going to come back up again. it will come back up in a future v vote vote-a-rama. it's going to come back again. >> the senator was talking about his amendment to defund the restrictions that were being pursued by the labor department, by osha. larry, i'm intrigued by this because i talked to white house officials and they want this fight. they are more than happy to have this fight but do you think senator lee is right that republicans can use continued covid restrictions as a political weapon against democrats? >> oh, yes, absolutely, in red states and in some red-leaning purple states, competitive states. in blue states, of course, there's strong support for mandates and even in the red states, democrats and many independents support the mandates. so, i don't think it clearly favors one party overall in the country, but that's not how we vote. we vote by individual congressional districts and state by state for governor and u.s. senator. >> yeah, a.b., kind of along those lines, axios is reporting mitch mcconnell has told colleagues and donors that senate republicans won't release a legislative agenda ahead of the midterms. anybody guffawing at that might not remember the 2014 senate republican run where they also didn't have one and took majority. do you think republicans can just run against president biden and not offer a contract for america or something like that and win? >> mitch mcconnell is not wrong about this, if you look at the polling, the wind is at republicans' backs right now and against the democrats, and that's why there's an argument, phil, on the democratic side about whether or not biden is going to succeed in helping the party hold on to power by trying to stress bipartisan accomplishments or whether or not he should be leaning into negative partisanship as well, just as the republicans are doing and that's what the administration is struggling with right now. >> and larry, i actually direct the same question to you. what's your sense? 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