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surety, no 10%. in the event jennifer crumbley is able to post bond, the following conditions will be in place. the defendant is not to use or test positive for alcohol, recreational marijuana or any controlled substances. miss crumbley is not to possess or have in possession any firearms or dangerous weapons, she will not have assaultive behavior toward anyone, must provide release address to pretrial services, the pretrial services representative will monitor by compliance. the defendant within 24 hours of release from jail must submit to and pay for you are inial cyst as a facility, if that comes out positive, levels in writing, that would be at the direction of pts. the defendant, miss crumbley at this time is to verify any unemployment status and verify that in writing upon release from oakland county jail in the event the defendant miss crumbley is able to post bond, the court is going to require she have a gps tether. the gps tether must be installed upon release from oakland county jail. she may be -- the gps has allowances that she can go to work, attend court hearings, medical appointments, and attorney meetings. she must provide work schedule, medical appointments and any meetings to pts in advance. again, that must be installed at the jail before she leaves the jail. as relates to james webber crumbley, the court is setting $500,000 cash surety, no 10% bond. the defendant is not to use or test positive for alcohol, recreational marijuana or any controlled substances. the defendant is not to possess or have in his possession firearms, weapons, or ammunition. the defendant is not to have assaultive behavior toward anyone. defendant must provide a release address if able to post bond to pretrial services. he will be monitored by pretrial services, must submit and pay for that within 24 hours of release from oakland county jail at a facility open seven days a week that lab confirms all positives, provides all lefls in writing. the defendant must verify employment to pts upon release from oakland county jail. gps tether must be installed prior to release from oakland county jail in the event the defendant is able to post bond. he also must provide information relative to employment schedule, medical appointments, or any other appointments that are allowed which will include he he could attend court hearings, employment, medical appointments, and attorney meetings. any violations of any of the terms and conditions of the bond may result in revocation of bond. any questions as relates to bond for james crumbley? >> your honor, we have no questions, but i need to place one thing on the record. i am not asking the court to change anything. what i want to state on the record is i was not able to watch the entire press release. i have no idea there was a 4:00 arraignment. miss layman had no idea either. the media had so many reports of times. >> we're not going to get into -- >> i want to apologize to the court. we weren't aware. and also we faxed over appearances and no one told us hey, we're doing this at 4:00. we sent appearances late in the day. i just apologize to the court. we don't miss dates. so thank you. >> thank you. >> finally as relates to bond, in the event that the defendants do post bond, i am required they turn over any and all weapons to the oakland county sheriff's office. that must occur within realistically, i'm not sure what they have in their possession, if they're able going to be released if they post bond, i am going to require they turn over weapons upon release from oakland county jail. okay. any other questions? >> no, thank you. >> no, your honor. >> again, pcc is on the 14th at 1:15. preliminary examination on the 22nd at 9:45 a.m. it will be in person proceedings. please make sure you are prepared with all witnesses and or exhibits. >> your honor, i want to put on the record that there are hundreds and hundreds of hours of digital evidence and voluminous documents. we are compiling it, we'll get it to defense counsel as soon as possible. >> okay. thank you. >> thank you, your honor. have a nice day. >> thank you, judge. your honor. >> you've been watching the arraignment of james and jennifer crumbley. they are the parents of the oxford high school shooting suspect and they appeared in court on charges of involuntary manslaughter moments ago, a judge deciding to hold each of them on $500,000 bond. the couple pled not guilty to all charges. christi, their defense lawyers argued their client's side of the story hasn't yet been heard by the court or the public. >> in fact, saying there's far more going on here than what has been reported thus far. there was a manhunt for this couple. it ended early this morning, overnight in detroit, after a tip led police to a warehouse where they were arrested. they were arrested without incident and that's the video you're seeing there. the first cnn exclusive video. first sighting of them after they disappeared and were characterized by the police as being fugitives. >> let's get to athena jones, live in pontiac, michigan this morning. athena, the point that christi raises is important. their defense attorneys argued they were not evading prosecution and yet we heard from law enforcement they had gone missing and there's nothing to indicate what they were doing last night was taking steps to turn themselves in. >> certainly not, boris. you heard the oakland county prosecutor argue that exact thing. one point she made is that this couple, jennifer and james crumbley, took out $4,000 from an atm near where they were supposed to be arraigned yesterday afternoon at 4:00 p.m. as you know, they were found overnight in an industrial building, a warehouse. they were in detroit, 40 miles away from where they were going to be arraigned. it doesn't appear they were about to turn themselves in. their lawyers arguing they were never intending to flee and that there wasn't enough communication between the prosecutors and their attorneys. clearly the court didn't buy that. that's why they set bond for each of them at 500,000, plus they're both going to have gps monitors, ordered to turn over any and all weapons. remember, these two parents are facing, each of them, four counts of involuntary manslaughter. each of those counts carries penalty up to 15 years in prison, $7500 fine, mandatory provision of dna. you heard each, jennifer crumbley first, then james crumbley answer each of the charges saying i understand. jennifer crumbley's voice sounding shaky there. they said they understood each of the charges, pled not guilty to each of the charges, and now we know if they make bail, they have to be monitored by gps. you hear from the lawyers saying the prosecution cherry picked the facts, as you were saying, stories from the defendant's side is not fully known. we'll have a chance to hear that. here's one statement that lawyers for jennifer and james crumbley point out right before the arraignment, we heard a little of this during the arraignment. they said this is unfortunately an unimaginable tragedy. while it is human nature to want to find someone to blame or something to point to or something that gives us answers, the charges in this case are intended to make an example and send a message. the prosecution has very much cherry picked and slanted specific facts to further the narrative to do that. that's the crux of the argument for jennifer and james crumbley's lawyers. let's remind everyone what evidence the prosecution has presented and that is that the day before the shooting a teacher raised concerns about having seen ethan crumbley searching for ammunition online on the phone. they called jennifer crumbley. she didn't respond. they emailed parents, neither responded. next day they insisted keeping ethan crumbley in school, despite that a second teacher showed drawings showing a semi automatic weapon and a body with bullet wounds and blood. these are facts that led the prosecutor to say the parents are criminally negligent in deaths of four teens that were killed. that's why they're charged with involuntary manslaughter. boris, christi? >> a lot to breakdown from possibility, michigan. thank you for walking us through that. >> athena, thank you. great job. go to former philadelphia police commissioner and law enforcement analyst charles ramsey and civil rights attorney and cnn legal analyst areva martin. appreciate you both being here. commissioner, let me start with you. you listened to this. what stood out to you most and what, might i ask, one of the things i think is important to point out, these attorneys for the parents are adamant that the gun was locked up. they wanted to make that statement. they did so, which is contrary to some of the other reports we were getting in the last 24 hours. so what stood out to you, commissioner ramsey? >> i mean, the defense attorneys are doing their job, whether the gun was locked up, he had the gun, used the gun in commission of the crime, so clearly the gun was not secured to a point he wouldn't have access to it. this is just the very beginning. more information will come out, that's the point of a trial. the prosecution will present additional evidence, search warrants have been executed. i am sure hard drives have been recovered, they've gone through social media posts. there will be a lot of evidence. on the other side, as far as parents go, i am sure there will be a lot of research into their social media, into their past and to all of those kinds of things to determine whether or not at the time that this took place, did they reasonably have knowledge that this is a potential school shooting scenario. i mean, they knew he had a gun. they saw the pictures that were depicted of what looked like it could have been some kind of mass shooting incident, yet they took no action and didn't bring it to the attention of authorities. i think they've got a case. interesting to see how it unfolds during trial. >> areva, during arraignment, attorneys for the crumbleys say they were absolutely going to turn themselves in, they were not evading prosecution, this is simply a matter of logistics, they were scared, worried for their safety, wanted their finances in order. the judge today didn't buy that. i am curious, what do you think they could have been doing that might convince a jury they weren't simply evading prosecution. >> quite frankly, boris, nothing that they can i think say or do or present to the court or to any court to suggest they were not evading prosecution. the facts are pretty squarely suggestive of the fact that they were evading prosecution. the lawyer's argument was incomprehensible. the reality is they were wanted by police, needed to turn themselves in, they had every opportunity to do that. taking money out of an atm, driving 40 miles away from the courthouse are not things that suggest you're trying to submit yourself to law enforcement. they simply could have driven to the court, to any police station, any sheriff station and turned themselves in. rather, they decided to get on the road, to take some kind of trip. and the story changed. yesterday we heard stories they left town because they were fearful for their lives and on the way back to the city to turn themselves in. the story was incomprehensible. the judge made the right call. if you evade arrest, you should have bond set at the highest level that makes sense for charges made against you, and i think clearly these individuals are flight risk. the judge saw that they were flight risk and took the appropriate action. >> we heard as athena alluded to or pointed out, jennifer crumbley when she was answering all her questions, every time, for each of the victims and said i understand. i plead not guilty. sounded as though she was crying. commissioner ramsey, talk to us about with all of the information that's already out there, and seeing them now the first time, the attorneys obviously say they don't want to try this in the court of public opinion, but you're going to have if this goes to trial obviously public people who will be sitting on a jury. talk to us about logistics of that, based on what we know thus far and what we saw today. >> again, it will be interesting. this is a highly publicized case. so selection of a jury is going to certainly take time to make sure you don't have people that already have a bias against or for the parents one way or the other. and i'm sure that will take place, that will happen. they'll find a jury that will be able to render a decision based on facts and evidence, but they're not going to be able to avoid the court of public opinion. that's the world we live in now. it will be highly publicized, a lot of information will be put out there, some will be accurate, some will not be accurate in terms of evidence and things of that nature. i don't know how you avoid that sort of thing. but certainly i could hear it in her voice as well sounded as if she's crying, but it is a little late for that. there are people that are crying over deaths of their children right now, the children laying in a hospital with gunshot wounds. i mean, those are the kinds of people that personally my empathy is with them, not with the parents right now. >> impossible to expect a public will ignore a school shooting, it dominates headlines, rips through the community in unimaginable way. areva, the thing that strikes me, this is one of the only cases in which the parents of a school shooter faced charges. explain to us how rare that is and how difficult it might be to build a case against parents for the role they played in this tragedy. >> you're right, boris, it is rare. only four cases reported in the last 15 or 20 years where parents have been charged for kids getting access to a gun and using that gun to shoot someone else. charges are often difficult. people believe parents shouldn't be held responsible for actions of their children. the prosecutor laid out why this case is different, why to the extent you charge parents, this is the case to do so. she laid out chilling text messages between the mother and her son, using the lol language and saying don't worry essentially about searching your phone for ammunition, worry about getting caught. there's evidence of the mom posting herself on her own social media pages bragging, seeming to be bragging about having bought the gun as a christmas present for her son. the notes, chilling notes the teacher found on her son's desk crying out for help. parents being in the school with their son, knowing they purchased a gun a week ago, knowing he may have access to that gun, not revealing that information to the school, insisting the son go back into the classroom when again, knowing their son was crying out for help. so the parents ignored all of the classic red flags that this was a young man in crisis. when you think about what he is facing, he is charged as an adult with murder charges, terrorism charges. he has the potential of going to jail the rest of his life, and here are the parents, the adults in the room charged to be observant of the warning signs and to take action to protect a child. now you have the loss of this child, the shooter, and the lives of the four individuals that he killed and the kids that were injured. this is a tragedy all around. to the extent responsibility needs to be had, it needs to rest with these adults because they knew what was going on with their son and failed to take action. >> areva martin, charles ramsey, we're grateful for the two of you and for the intelligence and knowledge you bring to this case. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. before we go to break, we want to take a quick moment to remember those that lost their lives and show you their faces. these are the students that were killed at oxford high school. tate myre. 16 years old. madisyn baldwin, 17 years old. >> hana 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>> well, the prime minister of ireland yesterday addressed the nation, friday address. he simply said we cannot take the risk of going into the holiday period without social restrictions, even if we don't know the details of the omicron variant. a lot of new restrictions being rolled out, they'll be in place through christmas and new year period. indoor venues can only have 50% capacity. only four households meeting at a time in a single home. you're looking at new restrictions around people that can enter and vaccinations there. and the unique thing with ireland, boris, christi, that i want to point out, it is one of the most vaccinated countries in europe. the prime minister was actually thanking the youth population in that country for steps and sacrifices they made to fight the pandemic. that brings me to the uk where the government is pursuing a different strategy. they said they will not put more restrictions in place, masks are mandatory, but focus is on boosters, boosters, boosters. the prime minister was out thursday getting his booster jab, encouraging that everyone over the age of 18 should get their booster jab before the end of january. it is a really ambitious goal because even if they have the number of boosters, the question is do they have the staffing and resources to give everyone a booster shot by end of january. you're going to see that replicated across europe. you may have the means to get everyone a booster, do you have the staff and resources to actually carry out that plan. while we wait for scientists to tell us more about the omicron variant, we're seeing a change in how governments are handling this. vaccines and booster shots have been one way we have armed ourselves against the pandemic but the other key tool is social restrictions. what we heard from british scientists here in the uk is that if there is any significant diminished ability for omicron, diminishing the ability of the vaccines, that could cause a further spread of the virus. already seen half the cases in the uk of the omicron variant had taken both vaccines. what i am trying to say is there's a chance of a christmas with rules, boris, christi. >> we appreciate it so much. thank you. joining us to discuss all things covid, dr. leana wen, legal analyst and emergency room physician and former commissioner of baltimore city health department. dr. wen, thank you so much for joining us this morning. i want to ask you about the new study that shows the omicron variant carries a stretch of genetic material that looks like it may have come from a distant relative of the common cold. data hasn't been peer reviewed, but researchers say that this indication suggests that omicron may be more transmissible than other variants. what do you make of the data and potentially what it could imply? >> there is still so much that we don't know about omicron. when we look at what's going on in south africa with the very rapid spread of covid-19, they are driven by omicron, it is definitely concerning. it suggests that omicron might outpace delta here in the u.s. and around the world. but we don't know until we see this occurring. the other big thing is the degree of immune escape, meaning to the vaccines we have, monoclonal antibodies that we have, will they respond to omicron as they did to previous variants. we don't know this. but there are encouraging signs from israel and south africa that people that are vaccinated tend to have mild symptoms thus far. we still need to see the actual data over time, but i really hope that that holds up and it should really be another level of encouragement to people, if you're not vaccinated yet, get vaccinated. if you haven't received a booster, get the booster. it is urgent and essential. >> dr. wen, president biden unveiled a series of actions aimed at fighting covid through the winter, including expanded travel restrictions and testing availability. you recently wrote in a "the washington post" piece making the case that president biden is right to fight omicron with travel restrictions, but you say more must be done. what more should be done? should a vaccine requirement for domestic travel be something that the white house considers? >> yes. there's a lot that's already in the biden winter strategy but i think the right components are there, but not to the degree they can be. for example, with international travel, moving the 72 hours of prearrival testing or predeparture testing to 24 hours is good, but why not also ask people to self quarantine and then test once they arrive. when it comes to domestic travel, i think it is important to put into place a testing or vaccination requirement, meaning that everybody is required to be testing but you can opt out of it if you're vaccinated. that's because it is not so much the travel itself that's dangerous. if everybody is masked on planes or trains it is pretty safe, it is more that if people go between different regions, they could be carrying covid-19 with them, if they're at a destination, they're going to hotels, bars, seeing friends and family, they're carrying covid between different parts of the country. that testing or vaccination requirement will be key to reducing spread of covid in different parts of the country. >> dr. wen, for the last six months or so this has been a pandemic of the unvaccinated, right. a new study shows others waning immunity from vaccines led to increased rate of break through cases. given that booster shots are now available, is it time to change the definition of fully vaccinated? >> yes, it is, and i hope that's something that federal health officials will take up sooner rather than later. there's been so much muddled, confusing messaging out of the cdc in particular about booster shots and i think many americans are really confused. many americans are thinking boosters are something that's nice to have as opposed to something they should be getting. it is time for doctors, pharmacies, state and local health departments to call individuals vaccinated and not boosted and get a simple message. vaccines protect you very well, but that protection wanes over time. we have to have the booster now. it is not just omicron. right now. 99.9% of all cases in the u.s. are because of delta. we now have over 100,000 new infections of covid due to delta. you have to protect yourself. the winter is here. get the dose now. if six months out from pfizer and moderna or two months out from johnson & johnson. >> important message. dr. wen, appreciate the perspective. thanks for sharing part of your weekend with us. the explosive testimony in the trial of a woman many say was jeffrey epstein's right hand. the case against ghislaine maxwell next. offer in seconds... 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>> this is a kind of tragedy, christi, in that the idea that ghislaine maxwell has said jeffrey epstein ruined ghislaine and i think the evidence is compelling, her life was ruined long before she met epstein, her life was ruined by her father, there's a mountain of evidence that robert maxwell was a horrible, abusive man, abusive to virtually everybody he came in contact with. his staff, newspaper journalists that worked with him, people i know, friends of mine, and his family. and in particular his youngest daughter, the one he loved most, there's some evidence that there was some kind of sexual relationship between father and daughter. now, this is disputed in the evidence, by no means clear. the source is someone with a history of psychiatric health. however, there are people in britain that believe this woman to be telling the truth, so there is the possibility the reason ghislaine couldn't see what she was doing was very, very wrong to these young women, 14, 15, 16-year-old girls is because she didn't realize herself this was wrong because she had been through it herself. now, it is not clear but there's some evidence of that. there's no question whatsoever that robert maxwell was a horrible, abusive man. toward the end of his life, personal hygiene was disgusting. stories of abuse and so forth. take the sex stuff aside, there's absolutely no question that ghislaine was horribly psychologically abused by her father. he died first months of going to new york. what happened with her father, it was a massive disgrace. she lost access to fancy cars and limousines and helicopters and lovely dinner parties with people like bill clinton and donald trump and andrew windsor, known to some as prince andrew. i call him andrew windsor, and all she had to do for ghislaine was provide fresh children. that's what she did. >> john sweeney, thank you for the background. again, those are some of the comments that you're hearing, they're not necessarily coming into the courtroom, so we need to make clear from a legal standpoint, we can't confirm that from that legal standpoint. the question is what's going to happen in the courtroom as well. john sweeney, thank you so much, sir. appreciate it. we'll be right back. >> thank you. and enjoy the ride a little more. now, get new lower auto rates. you're in good hands with allstate. click or call for a lower rate today. feel stuck with student loan debt? 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>> donie o'sullivan, thank you so much. russia could begin a military offensive in ukraine in a matter of months according to new u.s. intelligence findings. >> president biden told reporters yesterday he is preparing a quote, set of initiatives to make it more difficult for vladimir putin to stage an invasion. we are learning new information about plans for an upcoming call between the two leaders. >> cnn's matthew chance is live in kiev, ukraine. matthew, just a few nights ago the ukrainian president saying he is looking for a pretext to launch an attack in ukraine. >> reporter: that's right. there are heightened concerns that russia is poised to yet again invade ukrainian territory. that's been heightened by u.s. intelligence assessments coming out of the course of the past 48 hours or so, saying that there are tens of thousands of russian troops that massed near the border of ukraine already. as the preparations continue, as the u.s. intelligence observed it taking place, that figure could rise to 175,000 russian troops. that's the latest assessment of the potential amount of russian troops that could be assembled eventually to carry out any kind of russian invasion into ukrainian territory. it is because of that delicate situation and tense situation that in the past few minutes, we had confirmed from the kremlin and others that there will be a virtual summit between president biden and his russian counterpart, vladimir putin, and that summit will take place in a sort of online video call, direct talks kind of way. it will take place tuesday, 7th of december, in a couple of days from now. we don't know the exact timings, but the kremlin tells me it will be in the evening moscow time. about this time of day is our rough guesstimate when the virtual summit will take place. at that summit, the expectation is that ukraine will be front and center of the talks. the russians made it clear they want guarantees from the u.s. that it will block any further attempt by nato, western military alliance, to expand eastward towards its border. i think the strike was interesting when he heard the demand for a new security pact with the west. it has been pushed back hard on by the ukrainians themselves that get a lot of military assistance from nato and ultimately want to join the alliance. back to you. >> you have to wonder what vladimir putin is thinking he can get away with as we watched in 2014, russia invaded crimea. thank you so much. tomorrow night, join us for a new documentary, white power on trial, return to charlottesville. watch the special report, sunday, 9:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. good to spend mornings with you. thank you for watching. we hope you create good memories today. there's more ahead in the next hour of the cnn "newsroom." fredricka whitfield is up next. are you ready to meet the new class of subway's eat fresh refresh™? 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surety, no 10%. in the event jennifer crumbley is able to post bond, the following conditions will be in place. the defendant is not to use or test positive for alcohol, recreational marijuana or any controlled substances. miss crumbley is not to possess or have in possession any firearms or dangerous weapons, she will not have assaultive behavior toward anyone, must provide release address to pretrial services, the pretrial services representative will monitor by compliance. the defendant within 24 hours of release from jail must submit to and pay for you are inial cyst as a facility, if that comes out positive, levels in writing, that would be at the direction of pts. the defendant, miss crumbley at this time is to verify any unemployment status and verify that in writing upon release from oakland county jail in the event the defendant miss crumbley is able to post bond, the court is going to require she have a gps tether. the gps tether must be installed upon release from oakland county jail. she may be -- the gps has allowances that she can go to work, attend court hearings, medical appointments, and attorney meetings. she must provide work schedule, medical appointments and any meetings to pts in advance. again, that must be installed at the jail before she leaves the jail. as relates to james webber crumbley, the court is setting $500,000 cash surety, no 10% bond. the defendant is not to use or test positive for alcohol, recreational marijuana or any controlled substances. the defendant is not to possess or have in his possession firearms, weapons, or ammunition. the defendant is not to have assaultive behavior toward anyone. defendant must provide a release address if able to post bond to pretrial services. he will be monitored by pretrial services, must submit and pay for that within 24 hours of release from oakland county jail at a facility open seven days a week that lab confirms all positives, provides all lefls in writing. the defendant must verify employment to pts upon release from oakland county jail. gps tether must be installed prior to release from oakland county jail in the event the defendant is able to post bond. he also must provide information relative to employment schedule, medical appointments, or any other appointments that are allowed which will include he he could attend court hearings, employment, medical appointments, and attorney meetings. any violations of any of the terms and conditions of the bond may result in revocation of bond. any questions as relates to bond for james crumbley? >> your honor, we have no questions, but i need to place one thing on the record. i am not asking the court to change anything. what i want to state on the record is i was not able to watch the entire press release. i have no idea there was a 4:00 arraignment. miss layman had no idea either. the media had so many reports of times. >> we're not going to get into -- >> i want to apologize to the court. we weren't aware. and also we faxed over appearances and no one told us hey, we're doing this at 4:00. we sent appearances late in the day. i just apologize to the court. we don't miss dates. so thank you. >> thank you. >> finally as relates to bond, in the event that the defendants do post bond, i am required they turn over any and all weapons to the oakland county sheriff's office. that must occur within realistically, i'm not sure what they have in their possession, if they're able going to be released if they post bond, i am going to require they turn over weapons upon release from oakland county jail. okay. any other questions? >> no, thank you. >> no, your honor. >> again, pcc is on the 14th at 1:15. preliminary examination on the 22nd at 9:45 a.m. it will be in person proceedings. please make sure you are prepared with all witnesses and or exhibits. >> your honor, i want to put on the record that there are hundreds and hundreds of hours of digital evidence and voluminous documents. we are compiling it, we'll get it to defense counsel as soon as possible. >> okay. thank you. >> thank you, your honor. have a nice day. >> thank you, judge. your honor. >> you've been watching the arraignment of james and jennifer crumbley. they are the parents of the oxford high school shooting suspect and they appeared in court on charges of involuntary manslaughter moments ago, a judge deciding to hold each of them on $500,000 bond. the couple pled not guilty to all charges. christi, their defense lawyers argued their client's side of the story hasn't yet been heard by the court or the public. >> in fact, saying there's far more going on here than what has been reported thus far. there was a manhunt for this couple. it ended early this morning, overnight in detroit, after a tip led police to a warehouse where they were arrested. they were arrested without incident and that's the video you're seeing there. the first cnn exclusive video. first sighting of them after they disappeared and were characterized by the police as being fugitives. >> let's get to athena jones, live in pontiac, michigan this morning. athena, the point that christi raises is important. their defense attorneys argued they were not evading prosecution and yet we heard from law enforcement they had gone missing and there's nothing to indicate what they were doing last night was taking steps to turn themselves in. >> certainly not, boris. you heard the oakland county prosecutor argue that exact thing. one point she made is that this couple, jennifer and james crumbley, took out $4,000 from an atm near where they were supposed to be arraigned yesterday afternoon at 4:00 p.m. as you know, they were found overnight in an industrial building, a warehouse. they were in detroit, 40 miles away from where they were going to be arraigned. it doesn't appear they were about to turn themselves in. their lawyers arguing they were never intending to flee and that there wasn't enough communication between the prosecutors and their attorneys. clearly the court didn't buy that. that's why they set bond for each of them at 500,000, plus they're both going to have gps monitors, ordered to turn over any and all weapons. remember, these two parents are facing, each of them, four counts of involuntary manslaughter. each of those counts carries penalty up to 15 years in prison, $7500 fine, mandatory provision of dna. you heard each, jennifer crumbley first, then james crumbley answer each of the charges saying i understand. jennifer crumbley's voice sounding shaky there. they said they understood each of the charges, pled not guilty to each of the charges, and now we know if they make bail, they have to be monitored by gps. you hear from the lawyers saying the prosecution cherry picked the facts, as you were saying, stories from the defendant's side is not fully known. we'll have a chance to hear that. here's one statement that lawyers for jennifer and james crumbley point out right before the arraignment, we heard a little of this during the arraignment. they said this is unfortunately an unimaginable tragedy. while it is human nature to want to find someone to blame or something to point to or something that gives us answers, the charges in this case are intended to make an example and send a message. the prosecution has very much cherry picked and slanted specific facts to further the narrative to do that. that's the crux of the argument for jennifer and james crumbley's lawyers. let's remind everyone what evidence the prosecution has presented and that is that the day before the shooting a teacher raised concerns about having seen ethan crumbley searching for ammunition online on the phone. they called jennifer crumbley. she didn't respond. they emailed parents, neither responded. next day they insisted keeping ethan crumbley in school, despite that a second teacher showed drawings showing a semi automatic weapon and a body with bullet wounds and blood. these are facts that led the prosecutor to say the parents are criminally negligent in deaths of four teens that were killed. that's why they're charged with involuntary manslaughter. boris, christi? >> a lot to breakdown from possibility, michigan. thank you for walking us through that. >> athena, thank you. great job. go to former philadelphia police commissioner and law enforcement analyst charles ramsey and civil rights attorney and cnn legal analyst areva martin. appreciate you both being here. commissioner, let me start with you. you listened to this. what stood out to you most and what, might i ask, one of the things i think is important to point out, these attorneys for the parents are adamant that the gun was locked up. they wanted to make that statement. they did so, which is contrary to some of the other reports we were getting in the last 24 hours. so what stood out to you, commissioner ramsey? >> i mean, the defense attorneys are doing their job, whether the gun was locked up, he had the gun, used the gun in commission of the crime, so clearly the gun was not secured to a point he wouldn't have access to it. this is just the very beginning. more information will come out, that's the point of a trial. the prosecution will present additional evidence, search warrants have been executed. i am sure hard drives have been recovered, they've gone through social media posts. there will be a lot of evidence. on the other side, as far as parents go, i am sure there will be a lot of research into their social media, into their past and to all of those kinds of things to determine whether or not at the time that this took place, did they reasonably have knowledge that this is a potential school shooting scenario. i mean, they knew he had a gun. they saw the pictures that were depicted of what looked like it could have been some kind of mass shooting incident, yet they took no action and didn't bring it to the attention of authorities. i think they've got a case. interesting to see how it unfolds during trial. >> areva, during arraignment, attorneys for the crumbleys say they were absolutely going to turn themselves in, they were not evading prosecution, this is simply a matter of logistics, they were scared, worried for their safety, wanted their finances in order. the judge today didn't buy that. i am curious, what do you think they could have been doing that might convince a jury they weren't simply evading prosecution. >> quite frankly, boris, nothing that they can i think say or do or present to the court or to any court to suggest they were not evading prosecution. the facts are pretty squarely suggestive of the fact that they were evading prosecution. the lawyer's argument was incomprehensible. the reality is they were wanted by police, needed to turn themselves in, they had every opportunity to do that. taking money out of an atm, driving 40 miles away from the courthouse are not things that suggest you're trying to submit yourself to law enforcement. they simply could have driven to the court, to any police station, any sheriff station and turned themselves in. rather, they decided to get on the road, to take some kind of trip. and the story changed. yesterday we heard stories they left town because they were fearful for their lives and on the way back to the city to turn themselves in. the story was incomprehensible. the judge made the right call. if you evade arrest, you should have bond set at the highest level that makes sense for charges made against you, and i think clearly these individuals are flight risk. the judge saw that they were flight risk and took the appropriate action. >> we heard as athena alluded to or pointed out, jennifer crumbley when she was answering all her questions, every time, for each of the victims and said i understand. i plead not guilty. sounded as though she was crying. commissioner ramsey, talk to us about with all of the information that's already out there, and seeing them now the first time, the attorneys obviously say they don't want to try this in the court of public opinion, but you're going to have if this goes to trial obviously public people who will be sitting on a jury. talk to us about logistics of that, based on what we know thus far and what we saw today. >> again, it will be interesting. this is a highly publicized case. so selection of a jury is going to certainly take time to make sure you don't have people that already have a bias against or for the parents one way or the other. and i'm sure that will take place, that will happen. they'll find a jury that will be able to render a decision based on facts and evidence, but they're not going to be able to avoid the court of public opinion. that's the world we live in now. it will be highly publicized, a lot of information will be put out there, some will be accurate, some will not be accurate in terms of evidence and things of that nature. i don't know how you avoid that sort of thing. but certainly i could hear it in her voice as well sounded as if she's crying, but it is a little late for that. there are people that are crying over deaths of their children right now, the children laying in a hospital with gunshot wounds. i mean, those are the kinds of people that personally my empathy is with them, not with the parents right now. >> impossible to expect a public will ignore a school shooting, it dominates headlines, rips through the community in unimaginable way. areva, the thing that strikes me, this is one of the only cases in which the parents of a school shooter faced charges. explain to us how rare that is and how difficult it might be to build a case against parents for the role they played in this tragedy. >> you're right, boris, it is rare. only four cases reported in the last 15 or 20 years where parents have been charged for kids getting access to a gun and using that gun to shoot someone else. charges are often difficult. people believe parents shouldn't be held responsible for actions of their children. the prosecutor laid out why this case is different, why to the extent you charge parents, this is the case to do so. she laid out chilling text messages between the mother and her son, using the lol language and saying don't worry essentially about searching your phone for ammunition, worry about getting caught. there's evidence of the mom posting herself on her own social media pages bragging, seeming to be bragging about having bought the gun as a christmas present for her son. the notes, chilling notes the teacher found on her son's desk crying out for help. parents being in the school with their son, knowing they purchased a gun a week ago, knowing he may have access to that gun, not revealing that information to the school, insisting the son go back into the classroom when again, knowing their son was crying out for help. so the parents ignored all of the classic red flags that this was a young man in crisis. when you think about what he is facing, he is charged as an adult with murder charges, terrorism charges. he has the potential of going to jail the rest of his life, and here are the parents, the adults in the room charged to be observant of the warning signs and to take action to protect a child. now you have the loss of this child, the shooter, and the lives of the four individuals that he killed and the kids that were injured. this is a tragedy all around. to the extent responsibility needs to be had, it needs to rest with these adults because they knew what was going on with their son and failed to take action. >> areva martin, charles ramsey, we're grateful for the two of you and for the intelligence and knowledge you bring to this case. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. before we go to break, we want to take a quick moment to remember those that lost their lives and show you their faces. these are the students that were killed at oxford high school. tate myre. 16 years old. madisyn baldwin, 17 years old. >> hana 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>> well, the prime minister of ireland yesterday addressed the nation, friday address. he simply said we cannot take the risk of going into the holiday period without social restrictions, even if we don't know the details of the omicron variant. a lot of new restrictions being rolled out, they'll be in place through christmas and new year period. indoor venues can only have 50% capacity. only four households meeting at a time in a single home. you're looking at new restrictions around people that can enter and vaccinations there. and the unique thing with ireland, boris, christi, that i want to point out, it is one of the most vaccinated countries in europe. the prime minister was actually thanking the youth population in that country for steps and sacrifices they made to fight the pandemic. that brings me to the uk where the government is pursuing a different strategy. they said they will not put more restrictions in place, masks are mandatory, but focus is on boosters, boosters, boosters. the prime minister was out thursday getting his booster jab, encouraging that everyone over the age of 18 should get their booster jab before the end of january. it is a really ambitious goal because even if they have the number of boosters, the question is do they have the staffing and resources to give everyone a booster shot by end of january. you're going to see that replicated across europe. you may have the means to get everyone a booster, do you have the staff and resources to actually carry out that plan. while we wait for scientists to tell us more about the omicron variant, we're seeing a change in how governments are handling this. vaccines and booster shots have been one way we have armed ourselves against the pandemic but the other key tool is social restrictions. what we heard from british scientists here in the uk is that if there is any significant diminished ability for omicron, diminishing the ability of the vaccines, that could cause a further spread of the virus. already seen half the cases in the uk of the omicron variant had taken both vaccines. what i am trying to say is there's a chance of a christmas with rules, boris, christi. >> we appreciate it so much. thank you. joining us to discuss all things covid, dr. leana wen, legal analyst and emergency room physician and former commissioner of baltimore city health department. dr. wen, thank you so much for joining us this morning. i want to ask you about the new study that shows the omicron variant carries a stretch of genetic material that looks like it may have come from a distant relative of the common cold. data hasn't been peer reviewed, but researchers say that this indication suggests that omicron may be more transmissible than other variants. what do you make of the data and potentially what it could imply? >> there is still so much that we don't know about omicron. when we look at what's going on in south africa with the very rapid spread of covid-19, they are driven by omicron, it is definitely concerning. it suggests that omicron might outpace delta here in the u.s. and around the world. but we don't know until we see this occurring. the other big thing is the degree of immune escape, meaning to the vaccines we have, monoclonal antibodies that we have, will they respond to omicron as they did to previous variants. we don't know this. but there are encouraging signs from israel and south africa that people that are vaccinated tend to have mild symptoms thus far. we still need to see the actual data over time, but i really hope that that holds up and it should really be another level of encouragement to people, if you're not vaccinated yet, get vaccinated. if you haven't received a booster, get the booster. it is urgent and essential. >> dr. wen, president biden unveiled a series of actions aimed at fighting covid through the winter, including expanded travel restrictions and testing availability. you recently wrote in a "the washington post" piece making the case that president biden is right to fight omicron with travel restrictions, but you say more must be done. what more should be done? should a vaccine requirement for domestic travel be something that the white house considers? >> yes. there's a lot that's already in the biden winter strategy but i think the right components are there, but not to the degree they can be. for example, with international travel, moving the 72 hours of prearrival testing or predeparture testing to 24 hours is good, but why not also ask people to self quarantine and then test once they arrive. when it comes to domestic travel, i think it is important to put into place a testing or vaccination requirement, meaning that everybody is required to be testing but you can opt out of it if you're vaccinated. that's because it is not so much the travel itself that's dangerous. if everybody is masked on planes or trains it is pretty safe, it is more that if people go between different regions, they could be carrying covid-19 with them, if they're at a destination, they're going to hotels, bars, seeing friends and family, they're carrying covid between different parts of the country. that testing or vaccination requirement will be key to reducing spread of covid in different parts of the country. >> dr. wen, for the last six months or so this has been a pandemic of the unvaccinated, right. a new study shows others waning immunity from vaccines led to increased rate of break through cases. given that booster shots are now available, is it time to change the definition of fully vaccinated? >> yes, it is, and i hope that's something that federal health officials will take up sooner rather than later. there's been so much muddled, confusing messaging out of the cdc in particular about booster shots and i think many americans are really confused. many americans are thinking boosters are something that's nice to have as opposed to something they should be getting. it is time for doctors, pharmacies, state and local health departments to call individuals vaccinated and not boosted and get a simple message. vaccines protect you very well, but that protection wanes over time. we have to have the booster now. it is not just omicron. right now. 99.9% of all cases in the u.s. are because of delta. we now have over 100,000 new infections of covid due to delta. you have to protect yourself. the winter is here. get the dose now. if six months out from pfizer and moderna or two months out from johnson & johnson. >> important message. dr. wen, appreciate the perspective. thanks for sharing part of your weekend with us. the explosive testimony in the trial of a woman many say was jeffrey epstein's right hand. the case against ghislaine maxwell next. offer in seconds... 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>> this is a kind of tragedy, christi, in that the idea that ghislaine maxwell has said jeffrey epstein ruined ghislaine and i think the evidence is compelling, her life was ruined long before she met epstein, her life was ruined by her father, there's a mountain of evidence that robert maxwell was a horrible, abusive man, abusive to virtually everybody he came in contact with. his staff, newspaper journalists that worked with him, people i know, friends of mine, and his family. and in particular his youngest daughter, the one he loved most, there's some evidence that there was some kind of sexual relationship between father and daughter. now, this is disputed in the evidence, by no means clear. the source is someone with a history of psychiatric health. however, there are people in britain that believe this woman to be telling the truth, so there is the possibility the reason ghislaine couldn't see what she was doing was very, very wrong to these young women, 14, 15, 16-year-old girls is because she didn't realize herself this was wrong because she had been through it herself. now, it is not clear but there's some evidence of that. there's no question whatsoever that robert maxwell was a horrible, abusive man. toward the end of his life, personal hygiene was disgusting. stories of abuse and so forth. take the sex stuff aside, there's absolutely no question that ghislaine was horribly psychologically abused by her father. he died first months of going to new york. what happened with her father, it was a massive disgrace. she lost access to fancy cars and limousines and helicopters and lovely dinner parties with people like bill clinton and donald trump and andrew windsor, known to some as prince andrew. i call him andrew windsor, and all she had to do for ghislaine was provide fresh children. that's what she did. >> john sweeney, thank you for the background. again, those are some of the comments that you're hearing, they're not necessarily coming into the courtroom, so we need to make clear from a legal standpoint, we can't confirm that from that legal standpoint. the question is what's going to happen in the courtroom as well. john sweeney, thank you so much, sir. appreciate it. we'll be right back. >> thank you. and enjoy the ride a little more. now, get new lower auto rates. you're in good hands with allstate. click or call for a lower rate today. feel stuck with student loan debt? 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>> donie o'sullivan, thank you so much. russia could begin a military offensive in ukraine in a matter of months according to new u.s. intelligence findings. >> president biden told reporters yesterday he is preparing a quote, set of initiatives to make it more difficult for vladimir putin to stage an invasion. we are learning new information about plans for an upcoming call between the two leaders. >> cnn's matthew chance is live in kiev, ukraine. matthew, just a few nights ago the ukrainian president saying he is looking for a pretext to launch an attack in ukraine. >> reporter: that's right. there are heightened concerns that russia is poised to yet again invade ukrainian territory. that's been heightened by u.s. intelligence assessments coming out of the course of the past 48 hours or so, saying that there are tens of thousands of russian troops that massed near the border of ukraine already. as the preparations continue, as the u.s. intelligence observed it taking place, that figure could rise to 175,000 russian troops. that's the latest assessment of the potential amount of russian troops that could be assembled eventually to carry out any kind of russian invasion into ukrainian territory. it is because of that delicate situation and tense situation that in the past few minutes, we had confirmed from the kremlin and others that there will be a virtual summit between president biden and his russian counterpart, vladimir putin, and that summit will take place in a sort of online video call, direct talks kind of way. it will take place tuesday, 7th of december, in a couple of days from now. we don't know the exact timings, but the kremlin tells me it will be in the evening moscow time. about this time of day is our rough guesstimate when the virtual summit will take place. at that summit, the expectation is that ukraine will be front and center of the talks. the russians made it clear they want guarantees from the u.s. that it will block any further attempt by nato, western military alliance, to expand eastward towards its border. i think the strike was interesting when he heard the demand for a new security pact with the west. it has been pushed back hard on by the ukrainians themselves that get a lot of military assistance from nato and ultimately want to join the alliance. back to you. >> you have to wonder what vladimir putin is thinking he can get away with as we watched in 2014, russia invaded crimea. thank you so much. tomorrow night, join us for a new documentary, white power on trial, return to charlottesville. watch the special report, sunday, 9:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. good to spend mornings with you. thank you for watching. we hope you create good memories today. there's more ahead in the next hour of the cnn "newsroom." fredricka whitfield is up next. are you ready to meet the new class of subway's eat fresh refresh™? 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