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>> they did not break in. >> reporter: someone let them into this building? >> yes. >> reporter: they are now not far from me. they're booked at the county jail, just over to my left. they're with their son, in the same jail, awaiting arraignment. we think they'll be arraigned today after 9:00 a.m. we'll see, their chances of getting any bail is probably zero, or they'll set a very high bail because of what they did today. >> some unbelievable details. shimon prokupecz, thank you. >> thank you so much to you and your team. let's talk to jeuliet. i want to paint a picture of where this kid is. he's in jail. he's killed four people. meanwhile, in the last 24-48 hours, they took out $4,000. they left their son, essentially left him in jail. what does that tell you, that alone tell you about their pa parenting, and do you believe some sort of negligence could be added to their charges? >> probably not negligence, but definitely, you know, sort of avoiding arrest and being denied bail are likely the greatest consequences. there will probably be additional charges to their involuntary manslaughter charges announced yesterday based on their fleeing. they are a flight risk. they are in possession, or they were in possession of weaponry. this will add on to the criminal complaint against them. i am so glad you mentioned, they left their kid in jail. these are not people who seem to care much about anyone else, really, honestly, and put the school at risk, obviously, and are -- were cooperative or at least part of their son's plan that happened on tuesday. >> so i want to just read for you what we know at this point that they knew, and then ask you about something on the other side of it. the day before the shooting, the teacher observed ethan searching for ammunition while he was in class. teacher reported it to the school. school sent a voicemail to the mom's phone. also followed it up with an email. never got a reply. then the day of the shooting, the parents saw, in a meeting with the school, the parents saw the note that he had written, where he talked about how "my life is useuseless. the world is dead. kw ." a semiautomatic weapon pointed with the words, "the voices won't stop. help me." they were told to get counseling for him in 48 hours. didn't ask where the gun was. they resisted the idea of taking him out of school, and they left without him. do you interpret what we saw from him in those drawings as a cry for help, and when i say negligence, this is what i'm talking about. negligence in terms of caring for your child. >> caring for your child and the community. look, the standard is would a reasonable person have acted as they did? the answer is no. i mean, the facts are really compelling, and they don't just begin on monday. here, they have a kid who, it's hard to believe he just wakes up on tuesday with these horrible thoughts. this is a kid who might have had violent thoughts before. they arm him on friday. they announce in a very public way, the mother is on social media, it's very performative about how they're talking about the gun. the son is on social media asking for sort of audience engagement, saying he'll answer questions. then monday happens. the mother does this lol text, which -- you know, which i interpret, as a mother, to be you and me, it's us against them. she's saying, basically, "ignore the school district. i'm not mad about you. just don't get caught. it's me and you, kid." she denigrates the school's concern, then ignores the parents' responsibility to notify the school that the son is in possession or has a gun. they don't know where the gun is. none of this is reasonable behavior. it's why this case is so important. you know, this isn't about bad parenting. people don't go to jail for bad parenting mostly. this is about unreasonable parenting by any standard. the duty for a responsible gun possession and gun ownership in this country. and that's why this is such a big deal case. because it is getting around our sort of politics about gun ownership and saying, this isn't gun ownership. it's about responsible gun ownership and a responsibility to a community. >> real quickly, the parents insisting he stay in school on tuesday after they had seen all of this evidence. >> oh, that -- >> does -- do you think the school is going to come under any scrutiny for the fact that they let the parents basically call the shots at that point? >> that's exactly right. i think they probably will not be criminal liability, but there will be civil lawsuits about what the school did. i don't view them as equally culpable. we put a lot on school districts. >> right. >> the teachers, i have to say, were incredible. i mean, monday and tuesday, they say, something is wrong with this kid. i don't know why the school district listened to the parents in terms of allowing him back in. but the school district, it appears, did not know there was a gun, was not told that there was a gun, and that the parents, you know, should have known that the son was in possession of the gun. it certainly seems like that from the social media context. so the school district is in trouble, but, you know, taking a step back, you know, i mean, that the school district is in a moment in which they're the last line of defense means a whole lot has gone wrong at that moment. we need to stop playing defense and expect these schools and teachers to do something that our society, our laws, and, of course, parents ought to be doing. >> juliette kayyem, we value your interpretation of these things and insight. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. have a good day. >> you as well. before we go to break, we want to take another moment to remember the students who lost their lives and show you their faces. the faces lost in the latest senseless act of gun violence at a school in the united states. tate myre was 16 years old. madisyn baldwin was 17. >> hana st. juliana, 14. and justus shilling, 17. we are thinking of their parents as they watch all of this unfold. and now try to deal with life without their children. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ with downy infusions, let the scent set the mood. feel the difference with downy. 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>> reporter: look, the white house is definitely on a tight rope right now when it comes to managing the pandemic. there's no doubt about it. they're trying to keep americans safe but also keep the economy going and face the harsh reality that americans are just tired of the pandemic and the rules and enforcement that comes along with it. all this week, we saw president biden really trying to balance all of that. we saw him declare about the omicron variant that there is cause for concern but not panic. then, on the other side, we saw him unveil that covid winter strategy that you just spoke about, where the president really relies on increasing the pool of americans that are vaccinated, trying to get those holdouts as well as children. also, avoiding unpopular lockdowns. that is an important part about this. now, yesterday, on friday at the white house when the president, after he gave remarks on that kind of mediocre, so-so jobs report, he was asked whether or not he would enact vaccine mandates for domestic flights, which would be a dramatic increase of the status quo. take a listen. >> the measures that i announced yesterday are, we believe, are sufficient to deal with the proper medical precautions to deal with the spread of this new variant. i think i know a fair amaunt ab amount about this issue, but i'm not a scientist. i rely on the scientists, asking them whether or not we have to move beyond what we did yesterday. right now, they're saying no. >> reporter: so that no from the president, who obviously had a little bit of a cold yesterday, that only applies to domestic flights. for international flights, he announced a new change. americans returning back to the u.s. would need a negative test within 24 hours of their flight. that is shortened from the three days that it was. that starts on monday. non-citizens will have to be vaccinated. there are other measures that, as the situation evolves, we could see the white house trying to avoid a winter surge. the bottom line for them, christi and boris, is they want to see this pandemic over. that's how they see getting the economy back together, really getting to full force, and also getting their arrpproval number up that have been sinking. that's the bottom line as we approach the winter. >> ending the pandemic, the key that unlocks so much of what this administration wants to do. jasmine wright from the white house, thank you so much. >> jasmine, thank you. dr. matthew with us now, a public health expert here in atlanta. doctor, always good to see you. so pull back the curtain for us on this latest mutation on omicron. the cdc director, walensky, says, yes, the u.s. has tools to fight it, but what we really need to be focus on is the delta, the delta variant. do we know -- compare the potency of both. >> yeah. good morning, christi. you know, yet another dangerous -- potentially dangerous variant to talk about. you see, the biggest concern scientists have about omicron are these increased number of mutations on the spike protein. the spike protein is key when it comes to the virus latching on and getting into our bodies. so the more mutations that you have on the spike protein, the more capable the virus is of infecting us and causing damage. but there's still unknown. even if omicron becomes a rather predominant strain here in the u.s., it still has to compete with delta, just as you mentioned. i'm not 100% sure that omicron can totally push delta to the side. i mean, just as you mentioned at the opening, we're a little over 100,000 daily case s, and our biggest concern in the u.s. still needs to be the delta variant. >> so talk about a timeline. is there any indication how long it might be before we have some real concrete data to show us, you know, what is the severity of omicron? we know the transmissibility is a factor, but in terms of its potency and whether it is more deadly, those are things that are still in question. >> right. you know, i've been watching just like a hawk because i am, first of all, interested in the data that's come from the laboratory, christi. this is where we're going to find out, will these neutralizing antibodies work on the omicron variant? that is not going to be too difficult to find out. we'll be able to know that in the next week or so. then we're also going to start getting data from the south african primary care physicians that are seeing patients -- by the way, young patients -- that are coming in with mild symptoms. the biggest confusion i think for a lot of people, christi, is why are scientists using the word "deadly" and "more contagious" at the same time? just because a virus is more transmissible doesn't necessarily mean that it is more deadly. because it is really to the benefit of the virus to infect more people but not kill the host. so now, for sure, we are getting preliminary information that it is more transmissible. we'll have to wait and see if it is actually more potent and more deadly. >> that is an important point of clarity. thank you so much for making that. we know the pfizer -- pfizer is seeking the fda authority for boosters for people ages 16 to 17. do you see any obstacles there? >> no, i don't. i think that, you know, the vaccine before was approved for that age group was safe, effective. antibody response really good. yeah, we have to remember that even our 16 and 17-year-olds need to get boosted. that's also a big question i'm getting at work, is, you know, my teenager has gotten two shots. will he or she need to get boosted? i think, most importantly, also, christi, we should not be waiting for that perfect vaccine. people are thinking, hey, if i just wait long enough, we're going to get an omicron super vaccine that fights against that variant. remember, we just talked about the predominant strain is delta. there's no perfect vaccine. so get that booster shot if you're eligible. get the first shot if you're not been vaccinated. >> such good points, dr. mathew, especially at a time when it is really confusing for people. tlai th thank you so much. good to see you. >> thank you. controversial discussion ahead for you. they're called overdose prevention sites, but critics say they are a legal and moral dilemma. we're going to hear from an advocate for these harm reduction facilities on how they could play a key role in the fight against the opioid crisis. we'll be right back. sin honey. the real honey you love... plus the powerful cough relief you need. mind if i root through your trash? 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>> thank you for having me. we know that people are using drugs in all kinds of unsafe places. and, to us, it makes sense to give a person an opportunity to do that in a safe, sterile environment, where help can be immediately at hand if the person begins to show signs of overdose. and then to talk to the person about services, about treatment when they're ready. people are going to use drugs. we haven't solved that problem. so to say we're not going to try to make it safer for them doesn't address the crisis. >> safe house is waiting to hear whether it is going to be able to move forward with its plans to open centers in philadelphia. there's a court case now. it got blocked during the trump administration. the attempt to open that facility. depending on what happens in this case, we could see more of these sites open across the country. so far, the biden administration has not moved to shut down the centers in new york. what do you make of that, and where do you realistically think this case is headed? >> i hope that our litigation will result in a clear signal from the biden administration that folks can try evidence-based initiative to save the lives of people who are struggling with drug use. you know, i think that we need some clarity on that point. i applaud the folks in new york. they're great, courageous souls who said, "we must save lives," and they've set about to do that. in our case, we're waiting for, hopefully, governmental approval that will then support us and other communities who need to move forward but are afraid of the threat of federal prosecution. >> and there's also a hesitation or an apprehension about potential liability, right? because what happens if someone dies in a municipal facility under the care of government workers? >> people are dying in the streets now. so i think we need to, while recognize the concerns about liability, i think our priority has to be with the families of the 100,000 who died in the last 12 months. the cdc reported from april 2020 through april 2021 more than 100,000 people died in the u.s. so i think we can find lots of reasons to say, "well, this is too risky, we shouldn't move forward." but, in the end, this is a safer path forward. >> i think pointing out the extent of the opioid epidemic and the number of lives lost every day to these harmful drugs is important, because the historic approach to tackling drug use in this country has been a failure. it's been violent. it's been racist. it hasn't ultimately addressed the problem. there's not a lot of people claiming victory on the war on drugs. so, in your mind, what else needs to happen to stem the tide and to end the opioid epidemic? >> supervised consumption alone isn't going to solve the opioid crisis, but i think your point is right. we've had a 50-year war on drugs. we end up with a record high of deaths in this country, and we need to start thinking about things that work in other places. among the things that work in other places are supervised consumption, some level of decriminalization, and if we're going to solve the opioid crisis, let's not forget affordable housing. we ask folks to make incredible decisions to save themselves while we don't offer them very much. >> ronda, something i didn't hear you mention that i want to get your perspective on before we go is potential accountability for the people that provide the kind of drugs that ultimately get folks hooked on heroin and other opioids. do you think more needs to be done, whether it is in the pharmaceutical industry or the medical industry, to prevent these drugs from getting into the wrong hands to begin with? >> i think there's a lot of blame to go around when we reach 100,000 deaths. and i think our focus is on let's look at doing the things that we do, that we know how to do, that will make a difference. we'll leave law enforcement to law enforcement. but, for now, as the saying goes, people can't recover if they're dead. so that's our focus. how do we get them to a place where they can make safer choices for themselves? 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>> well, good morning, boris. well, everybody remembers in 2018 when president trump announced the space force. a lot of people made fun of it, mostly because the logo looks like the one from "star trek" and everything. but as it turns out, it probably was a pretty good idea because when i interviewed the space force general, who is in charge of this stuff, he said that satellites are getting attacked by adversaries every single day. we only see it when the russians blow up a satellite with a missile, but russia and china are attacking our satellites with lasers, other non-kinetic rf jammers, cyberattacks. they have satellites that go to other satellite, get a hook and grab them, chuck them out of the sky. we can't see it all on the ground, but it is happening so much, senior officials are really worried about it. no, we're not doing enough, to answer your question. the point that general thompson was making if they can field the satellites twice as fast as we can, they'll control things like global positioning, how do you get your cable, how does waze work on your car? not to mention, the military stuff. it could be a real competition. you know, diplomacy would be great, but until that happens, the race is on. >> josh, bring this down to earth for us, so to speak. if china or russia become the dominant power in space, that has enormous implications, some of which you laid out. obviously, russia with its potential incursion into ukraine, a threat at that point, china and the south china sea, this could portend for a shakeup in global well, that's exactly right. again, just because we can't see it doesn't mean there's not a battle right now. some of it is military. some of is intelligence. some of it is just what we use to do business and live our lives. we have to think, if there was a war, whoever controls space would win that war because there's no military on earth that can operate without satellite. even if there's never a war, do we really want our gps, do we really want our international communication systems depending on the adversaries. and the space is a real thing. we've got space stations constantly ducking out of the way of garbage flying at them. and i hear what vice president harris is saying she says we need to have arms control in space. and i the biden administration is going to do that for our benefit but i don't think the chinese and russians are on board with that. they're building fast. the race is on. we're even into it to win it or not. >> josh, i want to ask you about another op-ed you had this week, talking about congress needing to act on xi jinping's genocide. this is about the uighurs. obviously something that you've reported on extensively. senator marco rubio this week held up the defense of a key bill. he wants to add in the amendment made by weeks in camps. it's a policy that has bipartisan support yet lawmakers haven't found a way to get it passed. what is at stake here? and where do you think this procedural battle might ultimately lead? >> right. i heard your great reporter talk about this. but it's really not a procedural issue. it's really not about does it create revenue or not. the house passed this bill last year. the senate passed this bill in july. if nancy pelosi and chuck schumer want to pass it they could do it today. but our leaders are arguing over procedural issues. it's a terrible example of our government and congress turning away from a crime in progress where millions of people are put into camps. i hope that will reverse themselves. >> hopefully, a genocide that will get a lot more attention getting closer to the beijing olympics coming up. >> exactly. >> josh rogin, appreciate your time. parkinson's isn't just a disease for elderly, nearly 10% of parkinson's patients get it before the age of 50. to meet one man who took his diagnosis and fought back in today's "human factor." >> when i was diagnosed with parkinson's i was shocked. i shot it would go away. my name is jimmy choi. i had just gotten married. over the next 18 years my symptoms started to progress. the rigidity got worse. i was constantly losing my balance. one day walking down the stairs with my son the two of us fell. i finally because myself in a clinical trial with exercise and noticed i started getting better. i would get outside just walked. every day tried to do more. that walk become a jog, that jog became running. by april 2012 i ran the chicago marathon. even though i was getting stronger, parkinson's never goes away. i'm simply preparing my body so i'm better at handling these symptoms. i have a better chance of pulling myself out. the american indoor my daughter got me into it. i completed my fifth. my goal is to help others be more active, to make themselves stronger. you don't have to be an american ninja warrior. you don't have to run a marathon. just find something you enjoy doing. >> the human factor brought to you by pfizer. find your nbc voice.com. tide pods ultra oxi one ups the cleaning power of liquid. can it one up whatever they're doing? 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