what did he tell you? >> reporter: yeah, i was able to speak to kevin goff as he was outside of court, wanted to ask him a few questions just about the pressure of this moment, so as we were going through and just talking about this close, you got to think, this is the man who's been at the center of so much controversy. he's the one who talked about black pastors, he's the one talking about people coming into court so you really wanted to ask him questions about what his thought process was when it came to that. he did tell me he did not want to talk about that just right now because he believes it should be focused on the jury so i said to him, tell me about the pressure that you feel right now. he says, actually, he feels like all the attorneys in this case have no pressure. he believes it's the families involved in this case that have all the pressure on them at this point. and even said he feels for ahmaud arbery's family and that gave us a little bit of a pause. do we have that sound ready or not so we can play that part with kevin goff? okay, we don't have that part right now, alisyn, so here's the thing. he basically went on to say he feels for both families involved in this case. he says, as a lawyer, he was trying to press his points to make sure his client was able to go home. what we do have, though, is after court today, ahmaud arbery's family stepped out of court, and we were able to ask them questions about how they're feeling, especially on this momentous day. >> i think leonard did a fantastic job. i think that she did -- she presented that evidence, again, very well. i do think that we will come back with a guilty verdict. >> what i seen that courtroom this morning just really was devastating. i'm just thanking god that god showed us everything, showed us all the evidence to convict these men, so i know we're going to get the verdict on these men. >> amen. >> we feel very confident the case we put forward. we feel very confident in the evidence of travis's innocence and now we'll see what the jury feels is justice and we will accept the verdict, whatever it is. >> reporter: alisyn, i think the toughest part of watching this case sort of unfold is the toll on the parents and the last part of this case, which a lot of us will remember for quite some time, is how the prosecution decided to close this case. we actually didn't show the pictures they decided to show at the end of the case because they were too graphic for television and they took a picture of ahmaud while he was alive and compared it to a picture of ahmaud after he was dead and they put that up as the prosecution made their closing arguments. it really sat with a lot of people. you're talking about a jury where there was a juror who was constantly falling asleep and people were complaining about it. nobody was sleeping today. everyone was zeroed in on this part of the conversation. the other part that you have to think about right now, especially when it comes to the defense, this all really comes down to a cell phone kroo. if it wasn't for a cell phone video that mr. bryan got of what happened, would we even be here right now? that's a part of the conversation that's been happening over and over again. and then the other thing that stood out today, i think, and a lot of people have been talking about it, the fact that even though ahmaud is dead, people feel like he's being victimized over and over again. remember, yesterday, when we were on television together, and we were talking about they brought up his toenails. that has really stuck out in people's minds all day long, and you heard the prosecution even say, blaming the victim is a part of the defense strategy 101, so all this playing out right now, the jury's up there, gets to make the decision. we're told if they ever make the decision, they'll give us a ten-minute heads-up so we'll have information about that later on but at the end of the day, a lot of pressure in this community because everybody's watching these last two weeks play out. >> okay, ryan young, thank you for all that. we're about to get into those themes that you raised a little deeper. joining us now to discuss, we have lawyer and jury consultant allen and joey jackson. peel back the curtain for us on what's going on in that jumry room. where do they begin? >> typically, jurors just start a free-flowing discussion about the case. it doesn't necessarily follow the verdict questions that they're supposed to answer because if you think about it, after not being able to speak about the case for so long, finally, they get to take a deep breath and there's a lot to talk about. so, what will probably initially happen, before they get into the verdict questions and into the meat of it all, there will be some perspectives offered, people will weigh in a little bit, and then slowly but surely factions will emerge, and pretty quickly, it will be evident what the split is in the jury, if there is a split, as time goes on, you'll see or the jury will see who's on what side and who's arguing on behalf for an acquittal, who's arguing on behalf of guilty verdict. all that gets thrown in and that leads the way for more of a focused discussion on the verdict questions. >> joey, i want to play for you one of the things that the prosecutor said today about how she believes the entire argument about a citizens' arrest is basically invalid. so, listen to this. >> travis mcmichael never said to the police, i was making an arrest, i was trying to arrest him for the crime of this. wouldn't that be really, really important? he's asking ahmaud about what he was doing that day. that day. because he didn't know what he had done that day, but he assumed the worst. he must have committed some crime. what's your emergency? there's a black man running down the street. >> joey, the defense had made the point earlier that you don't need to declare, i'm making a citizens' arrest, so who's right? >> it's not a matter, alisyn, of a declaration. it's a matter of what specifically you really are doing. what is your state of mind at the time? i think it's very difficult for the defense to make the argument of citizens' arrest just based upon the law itself. what does the law say, alisyn? t it says that a crime has to be committed in your presence. what crime are we speaking of? i think the prosecution was very effective with respect to saying there is no crime. so how are you relying upon that? okay, if it's not in your presence, certainly it would be in your immediate knowledge. the defense has pointed to issues in the community that have occurred, a week or two weeks before on february 11. they have repeatedly referred to instances of the community being on heightened alert because of these burglaries or what have you that were months before. the prosecution's point is, what happened then? such that you would have the knowledge, such that the citizens' arrest law would be implicated, such that you can actually follow him, detain him and ultimately do what you did to him? critical point. and that's this. in the event you don't have the benefit of the citizens' arrest law and you have no business approaching, detaining him or anything else, then everything else falls and that was her point. last point i'll make here is that self-defense -- they also, the prosecution, attacked that, pointing out the three exceptions. you don't get self-defense if you're the initial aggressor. you don't get self-defense if you're committing felonies like aggravated assault, like false imprisonment, and you don't get self-defense in the event you're provoking the attack. very powerful arguments by the prosecution. what really appears to be carrying the day in my view. >> i want to stick with you for one more second, joey, because i want to talk about what ryan young just brought up and that is what sounded to many people as just an unvarnished, racist trope, that one of the defense attorneys brought up in terms of ahmaud. so let me play what she said yesterday. >> turning ahmaud arbery into a victim after the choices that he made does not reflect the reality of what brought ahmaud arbery to shores in his khaki shorts with no socks to cover his long, dirty toenails. >> joey, that was so jarring to so many people to hear. was that surprising to you to hear that? >> you know, it was deplorable, and quite frankly, it was surprising, and here's why i say that. i understand that we as defense attorneys, you have to represent your client and do it in a way where obviously you want to be vehement in your representation and you want to be a zealous advocate. that transcends the bounds of that because what is the relevance of that other than to dehumanize him, having the jury believe he's less than, speaking to what you got if you're the defense, which was an 11-member panel who are white jurors and one african american. but i still think, notwithstanding that composition, that that backfires because if you want to argue that, you know what? your clients were in heightened fear, they didn't know, they made a reasonable assumption that he really could have been the person who was committing crimes, you want to argue that, argue it but to completely annihilate, dehumanize and be so ince insensitive that moment, i think that backfires. i think we'll get a verdict as early as tomorrow. >> alan, what do you think? you are a jury consultant. you know how -- you've gone to the minds of jurors. what do you think about using the tactic that that defense attorney did? >> i would have to think, saying something like that would mean the defense lawyer who did it was thinking one or two jurors that might appeal to because overall, clearly an objectionable thing to say and what you want to do with your closing argument at the end of the day, when all the evidence is in, all the testimony comes through, most people have made up their mind. most jurors are pretty close to knowing which way they want the case to turn out. not necessarily all the verdict questions but going into closing arguments, if you're the lawyers presenting, you want to empower or, for lack of a better term, give jurors on your side ammunition in deliberation to argue your case so the defense attorney should have been focusing more on things that the jurors can use in deliberations. they don't want the jurors talking about why she used that term and referred to ahmaud arbery in such an offensive way. >> alan, in just a few second, do you agree with joey that we could get a verdict as soon as tomorrow? >> i think we could. i don't think it's going to take that long to go through everything. one interesting thing is, and this has been -- i don't know how much it's been talked about, but there is, and joey referenced it, one black juror out of 12. that's a huge difference between an all-white jury. it's not palatable entirely and we'd like to have maybe three so that the percentage of the jurors represents the percentage of glynn county but things are very different when there's the presence of just one juror, studies have shown that. so i think they're going to be metd methodical and they'll render a verdict after deliberating and it could take a day to get through this. >> thank you, gentlemen, for all the insight. great to talk to you. >> thanks, alisyn. this just in, a doorbell camera captured the moments of surrender for that suspect accused of driving into that christmas parade killing five people. a wisconsin man says darrell brooks, the suspect, showed up at his door asking for help getting in touch with an uber. >> hey, can i -- i called a uber, and i'm supposed to be waiting for it over here but i don't know when it's coming. can you call them for me, please? >> the man was unaware of the mass casualty event and let that suspect, brooks, use his phone. the camera then recorded the moments that police closed in on brooks. >> my i.d. >> hands up. put your hands where i can see them. >> hands up. >> whoa, whoa, whoa. whoa. >> okay, brooks is expected to be in court later today. police believe he had been involved in a domestic disturbance before he mowed down people, they say, at that parade. the 39-year-old was out on just a thousand dollars bail for a third incident earlier this month when he allegedly tried to run over a woman who says she is the mother of his child. cnn's adrienne broaddus is tracking developments for us there. what is going to happen in this court hearing? >> reporter: and just a few hours, brooks will be formally charged. according to the chief of police here in waukesha, initially, brooks is likely going to be charged with five counts of first degree intentional homicide. this isn't the first time the 39-year-old man has been slapped with charges. in fact, he has an extensive criminal background dating back to the 1990s. most recently, according to documents cnn obtained, he was involved in another domestic disturbance earlier this month. according to a criminal complaint, brooks used his vehicle to run over a woman in the parking lot of a gas station. now, according to this criminal complaint, the woman, who was only identified by initials, alleges she and brooks share a child together. she says before brooks ran her over with that vehicle, he hit her with a closed fist. now, he was charged in that case. a number of charges surrounding that case. but prosecutors also charged him with bail jumping because he was already out on bail from another incident stemming from the summer of july 2020. and investigators say minutes before he drove down this stretch of main street, plowing into all the people who were here, celebrating, people who were at the parade, he was involved in another domestic disturbance. alisyn? 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oil market by, like, 10%. >> that's before these were released. >> exactly. so the rumor of the release caused oil prices to go down. and that has actually causes gas prices to level out at high levels but level out and actually tick down by a penny over the last week. and the experts i talk to say, yeah, you know what? gas prices could go a little bit lower, maybe 10, 15, 20 cents a gallon but we need to caution people. this is not a magic wand to make gas cheap again. no one is calling for really cheap gasoline right now. and even the white house, i think, have realized that this is going to have some limited impact. i mean, president biden was advised that this is not going to solve all the issues and that's because it doesn't really get at that underlying supply-demand imbalance. the world is growing quickly out of covid. there's a lot more demand for energy. supply is not keeping up. also, there's a finite number of barrels in there. >> and here comes the president now to talk about all of this. >> millions of americans, including some of the people in this room, are likely to be hitting the road, reuniting with their loved ones in cities and towns all across america. to celebrate thanksgiving. as they do, i want to take a moment to talk about the economy. both the progress we've made and the challenges remain we have to face. we've made historic progress over the last ten months. unemployment is down to 4.6%. two years faster than everyone expected. we started this job it was over 14%. wages are rising. disposable income is up. more people are starting small businesses than ever before, and our economy has created a record 5.6 million jobs since i became president on january 20th. there's a lot we can be proud of and a lot we can build on for the future. but we still face challenges in our economy. disruptions related to the pandemic have caused challenges in our supply chain, which have sparked concern about shortages and contributed to higher prices. moms and dads are worried, asking will there be enough food we can afford to buy for the holidays? will we be able to get christmas presents to the kids on time? if so, will they cost me an arm and a leg? i told you before that we're going to take action on these problems. that's exactly what we're doing. it starts with my port action plan, a proactive three-month effort to invest in our ports and relieve bottlenecks. 40% of the goods, for example, that come into this country on the west coast come through two ports, los angeles and long beach. to help ease the congestion at these ports, i brought together labor and management and asked them to step up and cooperate. the move from operating the ports at 40 hours a week at those ports to 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. and i provided the resources to other key ports, including savannah, georgia, and on the east coast, on the east coast, and to help reduce congestion and undo damage caused by covid. we also met the ceos of walmart, target, home depot, t.j. maxx and others. those retailers, large retailers, and others agreed to move products more quickly, stock their shelves more quickly, and by the way, you may have heard the ceo of walmart yesterday on the steps we've taken. he said, and i quote, the combination of private enterprise and government working together has been really successful. he went on to say, all the way through the supply chain, there's a lot of innovation because of the actions we've taken, things have begun to change. end of quote. in the past three weeks, the number of containers sitting on docks blocking movement are down by 33%. shipping prices are down 25%. more goods are moving more quickly, and more cheaply, out of our ports on to your doorsteps and on to store shelves. and so, all these concerns a few weeks ago, there would be -- there not be ample food available for thanksgiving. so many people talked about that. understandably. but families can rest easy. grocery stores are well stocked with turkey and everything else you need for thanksgiving. and the major retailers i mentioned are -- have confirmed that their shelves will be well stocked in stores this holiday season. that's good news for the those moms and dads worried about whether the christmas gifts will be available. it goes for everything from bicycles to ice skates. you know, today, though, i want to address another challenge that families are facing. and the one i think they're most focused on right now. high gas prices. this is a problem. not just here in the united states but around the world. the price of gasoline has reached record levels recently in europe and in asia. in france, at the end of the last month, it reached about $7 per gallon. in japan, it's about $5.50 per gallon. the highest it's been in years. of course it's always painful when gas prices spike. today, the price of gas in america, on average, is $3.40 a gallon. in california, it's much higher. the impact is real. but the fact is, we faced even worse spikes before. just in the last decade, we saw it in 2012, when the price of gasoline hit $3.90. we saw it in 2014 when it hit $3.69. and as recently as 2019, we saw it surpass $3 in many places. the fact is, we always get through those spikes, but we're going to get through this one as well and hopefully faster. but it doesn't mean we should just stand by idly and wait for prices to drop on their own. instead, we're taking action. the big part of the reason americans are facing high gas prices is because oil-producing countries and large companies have not ramped up the supply of oil quickly enough to meet the demand. and the smaller supply means higher prices globally, globally, for oil. to address these issues, i got on the phone with leaders from other countries, grappling with this challenge. to try to find ways to lower oil prices and ultimately to -- the price you pay at the pump. so, today, i'm announcing that the largest ever release from the u.s. strategic petroleum reserve to help provide a supply we need as we recover from this pandemic. in addition, i brought together other nations to contribute to the solution. india, japan, republic of korea and the united kingdom have agreed to release additional oil from their reserves, and china may do more as well. this coordinated action will help us deal with a lack of supply which in turn helps ease prices. the bottom line, today we're launching a major effort to moderate the price of oil, an effort that will span the globe and its reach and ultimately reach your corner gas station, god willing. i've worked hard these past few weeks on calls and meetings with foreign leaders, policymakers to put together the building blocks for today's global announcement. and while our combined actions will not solve the problem of high gas prices overnight, it will make a difference. it will take time, but before long, you should see the price of gas drop where you fill up your tank and in the longer term, we will reduce our reliance on oil as we shift to clean energy. but right now, i will do what needs to be done to reduce the price you pay at the pump from the middle class and working families that are spending much too much and it's a strain, and you're the reason i was sent here to look out for you. there's another issue we'll be addressing as well, because the fact is the price of oil was already dropping prior to this announcement and many suggested in anticipation of the announcement. the price of gasoline in the wholesale market has fallen by about 10% over the last few weeks. but the price at the pump hasn't budged a penny. in other words, gas supply companies are paying less and making a lot more. they do not seem to be passing that on to the consumers at the pump. in fact, if the gap between wholesale and retail gas prices was in line with past averages, americans would be paying at least 25 cents less per gallon right now. as i speak. instead, companies are pocketing the difference as profit. that's unacceptable. that's why i've asked the federal trade commission to consider whether potentially illegal and anti-competitive behavior in the oil and gas industry is causing higher prices for consumers. so we can assure the american people are paying a fair price for their gasoline. i also want to briefly address one myth about inflated gas prices. they're not due to environmental measures. my effort to combat climate change is not raising the price of gas or increasing its availability. what it's doing is increasing the availability of jobs. jobs building electric cars like the one i drove at the gm factory in detroit last week. for the hundreds of thousands of folks who brought one of those electric cars, they're going to save $800 to $1,000 in fuel costs this year. and we're going to put those savings within reach of more americans and create jobs installing solar panels, batteries, electric heat pumps, jobs making those clean power-generating devices. and by the way, deploying these technologies for each home where they're installed is going to save folks an additional hundreds of dollars in energy costs every year. let's do that. let's beat climate change with more extensive innovation and opportunities. we can make our economy and consumers less vulnerable to these sorts of price spikes when we do that. and finally, even as we meet to work out this challenge, it's important to maintain perspective about where our economy stands today. the fact is, america's a lot to be proud of. we're experiencing the strongest economic recovery in the world. even after accounting for inflation, our economy is bigger, and our families have more money in their pockets than they did before the pandemic. and america's the only major economy in the world that can say that. it's a testament to the grit and determination of the american people as well as our unique approach to this recovery and our focus on rebuilding our economy from the bottom up and the middle out, not the top down. because of that approach, we're the only leading economy in the world where household income and the economy as a whole are stronger than they were before the pandemic hit. let me close with this. this thanksgiving, we have so much to be grateful for. vaccines that are effective, safe, and free. promising new treatments providing for hope that we can bring an end to the worst tragedies of this crisis. record job growth. the strongest recovery in the world. and most of all, the chance to be together again with the people we love on thanksgiving. as you gather together with your family this thanksgiving, i want you to know how grateful i am to serve as your president. and i promised you that i'll never stop working to address your family's needs, and together, we're going to confront challenges that we face and we're going to face them honestly and that will keep building this economy around hardworking folks who built this country. happy thanksgiving, and god bless you and may god protect our troops and i'm heading to a food kitchen to serve meals right now. thank you for your time and effort, and i'll have plenty of time to talk to you. thank you. >> okay, he's not going to take any questions there, though as you can hear, the press has many. that was president biden talking about his decision making in terms of releasing some of those strategic oil reserve barrels, the highest ever in history as he said, and if they will help the supply chain issues and inflation. so back with us now, cnn business reporter matt egan and catherine rampell as well, our cnn economics and political commentator. what did you hear? >> do you know that scene in ""spaceballs,"" one of my favorite movies, where the rick moranis character, dark helmet, says something like, do something. and then they all run around screaming, do something. that's what this feels like to me. >> why don't you think it will move the needle? >> because the amount of oil that we're talking about is just a drop in the barrel, so to speak. we're talking about 60 to 75 million barrels of oil globally. we're counting -- that's counting all six countries that are participating. that's like about a half a day's global oil market consumption around the world. >> does this send a message to opec nations? >> i mean, maybe. their interest is in keeping oil prices high, so i'm not sure why they would necessarily want to make them lower, but at this point, i think it's more symbolic than anything else. biden needs to show that he cares about people's concerns about prices, particularly gas prices. everybody's been calling on him to release barrels of oil from the strategic petroleum reserve so that's what he's doing. >> let me pull up a little bit of information on the strategic petroleum reserve because i think it's good for context. so, there are 600 million barrels of emergency crude reserve in there. they're stored in these underground salt caverns in louisiana and texas. it was used by president obama during the arab spring in 2011. it was used by president trump after hurricane harvey in 2017. it was used by president biden after hurricane ida. so, didn't -- did any of those, when previous presidents did it, help? >> i think that those instances sh it did help on the margins. what's interesting is that the 2011 example during the arab spring, that was the last time, until today, that there was a coordinated international effort, and that does pack a bigger punch. there was a bigger impact. the other interesting thing is all of those examples, those are all examples of supply shocks where the world couldn't get enough barrels because of a natural disaster, hurricane, or because of a war. this is not a supply shock. this is a different situation. this is a demand shock. this is the fact that the world is recovering from covid and there's a lot more demand for energy and opec nations are not keeping up. but to her point, it's not something that even the white house expects is going to have a dramatic impact. president biden said, they said, this will not solve the problem of high gas prices overnight. they said in the longer run, they hope to transition away from fossil fuels but clearly the last few months shows how messy that transition can be. >> doesn't he have to try something? >> i think he has to show that he's doing something but the president just has very limited control over what is a global market. that's true for gas prices. that's true for almost all sources of inflation right now. and he's in this tricky position where republicans are blaming biden for higher inflation, even though he's not to blame for it, and rather than saying, well, i can't really do very much, he's saying, you're right, i can do something but i think he's overpromising by pledging gas prices are going to go down, other price increases are going to go down when he doesn't have a magic wand he can wave. >> i just want to quickly show, matt, what gas prices have looked like in the past three or four years because if you -- let me pull up this graphic for a second. the red line is where we are, okay? yes, it's the highest it's been in years at $3.40. but if you look back, the green line is 2019. the yellow line is 2018. you know, a few months ago, they're all kind of intertwined there. >> right. >> by the way, that was before the pandemic. clearly, this is pandemic-related. >> right. absolutely. listen, gas was really cheap. we're talking about $2 gas in march, april of 2020, but no one could take advantage of it because the world was shut down because of covid. inflation, you know, food prices, air fare, hotels, all of those prices were down and collapsing, actually, but no one could take advantage of it. now the economy is back open. we're seeing prices go higher. to catherine's point, though, president biden doesn't have the ability to completely lower prices and that's not something that we should expect to happen overnight. >> but if this is covid. >> when will we come out of this? >> >> i wish i knew the answer. it does look like obviously lots of supply chain bottlenecks are persisting longer than anybody anticipated, the fed anticipated, other economists anticipated and today, as was the case a year ago, the pandemic is in control of the global economy so unless we get vaccination rates up, not just in the u.s. but in poorer countries that don't have sufficient access to vaccination supply, i think you're still going to see these disruptions around the world. >> president biden also talked about that just now. i mean, he talked about the supply chain and trying to do things on that front as well, including ports. >> yes. so, he is trying, on ports. you know, again, maybe helping things on the margin but i just don't think he has sufficient control and there are other levers he could be pulling that he's not. for example, i wrote a big piece today about the contributions of the constraints on legal work eligible immigration that are contributing to these supply chain problems and, again, inflation, worker shortages, and the administration seems to have little interest in doing anything on that. there are -- yeah, they're trying to get ports to run longer hours but that alone is not going to make much of a difference. in general, they can't do very much but even things that are available to them, some of them, they are objecting. >> i think we have jeff zeleny standing by for us. tell us what you're hearing. >> reporter: we were just in the room with president biden, and you could clearly see a defensiveness on one hand, trying to make the argument that his policies, his climate change policies, his environmental policies, are not contributing to the higher gas prices. he really tried to take a step back and put into historical perspective the other times where gas prices have been high, but i thought making very clear, for the first time i recall him saying, look, my climate policies are not contributing to this. there has been some chatter out there about that, so i thought that was actually quite interesting. but also trying to dispel the myth that the holidays are going to be ruined with the lack of toys, with the lack of grocery supplies, so really trying to take down the temperature, if you will, to say that the white house is on this, he is on this, the white house is acutely focusing on this, but we didn't really get the sense of if they really think that this is going to help bring down gas prices. there's been a big debate inside the administration about, you know, is this really the wise long course of action, or is it simply an expedient political thing to do? we tried to ask the president about this and other matters, and he wished everyone a happy thanksgiving and did not take questions. he, of course, will be heading to nantucket this evening to spend thanksgiving with his family. >> he talked about how first he was going to go help serve some meals, i think, that he said there. >> he will. >> and let me pull up, to jeff's point, about thanksgiving. we have a graphic that prices will be up. everybody knows that. anybody who's gone shopping knows they'll be up something like 14%. it was interesting, matt, the president talked about how there are all these positive signs but they are being eclipsed when people go to the grocery store. >> no surprise, thanksgiving prices are up because a year ago, people didn't get to gather. this is a sign of progress but to your point about things being overshadowed, listen, unemployment rate, down from almost 15%, hiring has been very strong, wages have been up, but people are very, very aware of higher prices. gas prices, food prices, they feel it. it's tangible. also, we have had a period of low inflation for about a dozen years. people never -- a lot of people just haven't experienced inflation like this, so now that it's here, they're feeling it and reacting. >> catherine 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little bit, alisyn, as you know, this is a civil trial, not a criminal trial, and what we have here is a situation where plaintiffs were claiming, and there are nine plaintiffs, who were injured that day during the unite the right rally, that 17 defendants, some of them individuals, some of them hate groups, conspired to commit acts of violence. and that conspiracy was based on racial hatred. and so what they were claiming here in court and arguing during this trial is that this was a conspiracy, and so there were six claims that jurors were looking at, two of the most serious claims, the first one being conspiring to commit ri racially-motivated violence. the second claim, failing to prevent that conspiracy. jurors could not reach a unanimous decision. they were deadlocked. we have just learned, on both of those two claims. now, there were four more claims in addition to that. i'm just going to outline those for you very quickly where jurors did reach a decision. civil conspiracy, a state civil law, the jurors found that the defendants were liable. number four, violating virginia code by subjecting plaintiffs to racial or religious harassment. they also found that the defendants were liable, assault and battery, unanimous decision, liable. intentional inflection of emotional distress, that was claim number six, jurors also found that the defendants were liable in that situation as well. again, what they were looking for here, the plaintiffs, and their attorneys, were looking for, this is a civil case, monetary damages so very quickly just want to go over what the jurors were able to come to. in terms of the individual defendants here, we're talking about people like jason kessler, the one who secured the permit for the unite the right rally, people like richard spencer, he kind the phrase "alt-right." he's a white nationalist neo-nazi christopher cantwell. in terms of compensatory damages, each one is facing $700,000. as for some of the groups, they are looking at at least $1 million in compensatory damages, and one more that i want to tell you about, james alex fields. i have to backtrack just a little bit, alisyn. folks may remember he was the one during the criminal trial who was convicted, now serving several life sentences, for driving his car into counterprotesters, killing heather heyer, and injuring several others. again, that was during the criminal trial. here during the civil trial, he was found liable for at least $12 million in damages, but the headline here, attorneys here for the plaintiffs were really looking for those first two claims, the ones that i told you about, the conspiracy claims. that's -- those are the claims that were the most serious. those were the claims that plaintiffs were really looking to get the big numbers for. they were asking for anywhere between $7 million to $10 million for each plaintiffs, and again, the jury was deadlocked. they have now been dismissed, so, you know, a mixed bag here. some of the defendants were found liable, but for the two biggest claims, the jury was deadlocked. alisyn? >> jason, thank you very much for walking us through all of that. it's obviously multifaceted. we want to bring in former u.s. attorney harry litman and cnn legal analyst joey jackson. help me understand. it's a split verdict. and for some, they're held liable. for some, they were deadlocked. are they going to be retried civilly? >> so, what happens, alisyn, is you have that right or otherwise you can settle the case. you can resolve it in some way. and so remember that because you're dealing with a civil case, you're talking about a whole different standard. usually, when we're speaking about a criminal very high standard because it involves somebody's liberty interest. when you talk about monetary claims, it's preponderance, is it more likely than not. the defense is i have a first amendment right, i have a right to say what i want, do what i want, you do but if it conflicts or goes adverse to the law, violence kicks in, and then you lose that right, and so the jury, again, to jason carroll's point, the first two games with respect to racially motivated violence finding, we can't make a finding. preventing it, we can't make a finding, and instead of saying guilty, we say liable, meaning you're responsible. >> understood. here are the ones they couldn't reach a decision on, and as jason said, these are the most serious ones. claim one, the defendants conspired to commit racial violence at the 2017 rally, claimed the defendants knew but failed to prevent conspiracy to prevent racial violence. what do you see here, harry? >> those were the big ticket items. it was under the aptly named, passed in 1871 ku klux klan act, for the reconstruction racial violence that we saw re-rear its ugly head in charlottesville. so certainly that was the main focus of the plaintiffs, and they'll have to think about whether they want to go back for it. on the other hand, this money effort to actually hit the white nationalists in their pocketbook is overall very effective because they are not well healed, the 3 percenters, the proud boys, the other folks here, what they might end up having to pay could be ruinous for them. it's more than a consolation prize, but without doubt, they wanted to show the racially motivated violence under the ku klux klan, the jury was deadlocked. it wasn't because of the first amendment. first amendment would not apply here. it was rather because they couldn't agree, was this really a conspiracy for racial violence as opposed to general mayhem. >> jason carroll, i know you're getting new information. tell us. >> reporter: just to add a little bit more, alisyn, when you talk about conspiracy because it was outlined during the jury instructions what exactly conspiracy meant here, i mean, because when you use that term, it's a loaded term. you think of this intricate sort of connection of people talking and communicating, but that wasn't necessarily the case here, and not the standard here as well. because you go back, and the judge made it clear that the conspiracy here did not have to mean a formal agreement. it did not have to mean a written contract. it didn't even have to mean some sort of an organize agreement. the judge made it clear here that in this particular situation, a conspiracy could have been some sort of informal agreement that would have been sufficient. but again, these jurors, eleven men and women, could not come to a consensus in terms of whether a conspiracy occurred here, and again, plaintiffs during, you know, their opening arguments, they say, look, these people communicated, these people through text messages, social media posts. you know, in their estimation, they presented a bountiyy of evidence which should have shown conspiracy in a formal defense. but the defense had been arguing saying, yes, these people communicated. yes, they knew each other. you might not like who they are. you might not like what they say, what they stand for, but there was no conspiracy here. and again, at this point, it seems very clear that jurors could not come to a consensus that a conspiracy did occur. >> so joey, to harry's point, there were millions of dollars in damages at stake here. so now these self-professed white nationalists will have to pay those damages or what, they go to jail. >> what happens is you have compensatory damages and punitive damages, what on earth is that. compensatory damages are designed to make you whole, as a result of an injury, you're out of work for some time, what would i have made had i gone there. punitive damages are designed to punish you. those could be astronomical damages. at the end of the day, you either pay or sometimes people are judgment proof. that's why some lawsuits are viable, but you don't suit because you can sue, a, to collect money, or b, send a message. you want to send a message that this is not acceptable. that's very important as a policy consideration. the other thing is let me hit you where it hurts. you come up with the money or you have a judgment against you which at some point in time you have to pay. >> harry, i think that it's interesting to go back and think about what happened in charlottesville because, again, criminally, the man who plowed through the crowd or killed heather heyer is in prison. this is above and beyond that. the nine plaintiffs, they include town residents, counter protesters who were injured, and nair the ones who are still suffering, as you can imagine, some physical and emotional injuries, and so is this a victory for them today even though the two biggest counts they were hung on? >> it's a partial one. you're totally right. and this is the community striking back, so in the sense that we were just talking about, there is something of a repudiation under state law. i do think they wanted to show a conspiracy. by the way, a conspiracy is simply an agreement. you can do it with a 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