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charges to consider including homicide, and lesser included offenses the jury can consider if they find rittenhouse not guilty on the major offenses in the case. in closing arguments yesterday, the defense argued rittenhouse was under attack that night and acted in self-defense. prosecutors pushed back, though, telling jurors, quote, you can't claim self-defense on a danger you create. trial consultant richard gabriel were playing on the jury's fears. >> the jury's fear in a kenosha community about whether they want somebody like kyle rittenhouse to come and protect them, or whether they in kenosha also feel like they want to be afraid of an active shooter in the community. so aside from evidence and burdens and testimony and legal instruction, jurors are looking at what's the story i most believe? and that comes back to what would i do in that situation? how do i feel as a member of this community? >> joining me here for three questions in three minutes, we have former federal attorney and prosecutor. it's so nice to have you on "early start" and in person. closing arguments over, what did you find effective on monday and what do you think fell flat? >> both sides definitely brought in the heat. they brought in the fire foreclosing arguments because you have the closing arguments the last time the jury is going to be able to hear from you, be able to see you, hear what your arguments are. in terms of the prosecution, they were dead on when they said, look, these victims, did not pose imminent danger for these -- for rittenhouse. there was no need to use this deadly force. he was the attacker in this case. he was an active shooter. now, the defense, the defense came out, tried to humanize kyle rittenhouse. he's 17 years old. he likes to go to the dinosaur museum. he was not an active shooter. he was out there trying to protect this community, trying to serve this community, and that at no point was he the threat in this situation. let's see at the end what the jury is going to decide. is kyle rittenhouse a vigilante or victim? >> when they go to the deliberation room they go with a stack of instructions. as you and i know jury instructions are always a slog, always exhausting. the judge reading through the instructions was a real struggle. listen to a little bit of what happened. >> which causes a permanent or protracted loss or impairment, again, determining -- whether the circumstances -- utter disregard for human life, whether the conduct showed any regard for human life, and all other facts and circumstances -- the circumstances related to the conduct. >> okay, i don't know about you, but i cannot follow a word of that. how is the jury supposed to make any sense of had? >> that jury instruction was a hot mess. i was like, what is going on at this point? but i think what it is that judge schroeder, he tried to ad-lib it and lost parts of his concentration, which is crazy because when you're dealing with jury instructions, especially in a homicide case, convictions have been overturned over the missing of one word in giving out the jury instruction. but even with that, there are so many terms that are so hard to follow. and this is for attorneys. so just imagine for the jury. now you're sending them back with a clip of papers. here, find the law and follow it, apply it to the facts. how are they supposed to follow ha? that's why it is the job of the prosecutor to lead them through the charges and try to make it plain language for them to be able to apply. >> and you saw the prosecutor try to do that in sort of a clean-up mode. he tried to say, look, this case is simple. here's what you need to know. again, it remains to be seen whether the jury will find that effective or not. it strikes me this case might be one of those where the public perception of it and what's actually happening in the courtroom and the legal process might be in conflict. and you think back to last summer, sort of the heated protests for racial justice, and remember this is about the shooting of jacob blake. that's why kyle rittenhouse is there. where do you think this goes if the jury finds him not guilty on some of these charges? >> look, it's sad because it's playing out in two different places. it's playing out inside of the courtroom and it's playing outside of the courtroom how you just stated. the thing is the people outside the courtroom, unless you followed this trial from the very beginning to the end and followed the legal analysis to break it down for you, it's going to be hard for anyone to actually grasp the meaning of what this verdict means, because in the courtroom there's a lot of things i could have told you last year, absolutely, kyle rittenhouse is going to be found guilty. he's going to befeld accountable. but from following the trial from the beginning to end, i have a lot of hesitation because the defense was able to poke holes. where does that leave the public? the public may be like, you know what, here we have a 17-year-old kid who was with an ar-15 walking around in kenosha, wisconsin, hey, maybe i should walk around with an ar-15. >> it comes down to the evidence. thank you so much for being here with us. >> thank you for having me. >> appreciate it. now to breaking news out of belarus. the crisis escalates and violence erupting along the border. cnn has just confirmed tear gas and water cannons were fired from the polish side. protesters charging the barricades and throwing stones. our matthew chance joins us live from the belarus/poland border. tell us what you're seeing. >> reporter: there are helicopters in the sky with water cannons firing right behind me here on the migrants. polish guards over there -- the water cannon. one second. >> these pictures are just incredible. we're trying to get matthew's shot back up there. as you can imagine, it's spotty. incredible the escalation here. it appears to have been prompted by some standoff as we know. the migrants there have been camped out for over a week now. we will try to get him back as soon as possible. we'll turn now, let's go live to cnn's political and national security analyst david sanger. david, thank you so much for joining us. a serious escalation here at the border. what is the significance of the poland side here deciding to use force to stop these migrants from crossing over the border? >> well, this has been brewing for sometime. and as you could see from matthew's report, it's gotten pretty chaotic. behind that is a pretty deeply cynical ploy by alexander lukashenko, the leader of belarus. you will remember that last summer he lost an election, then exiled the -- his opponent who would have won, has jailed journalists, opposition leaders, and has been subject to a lot of western sanctions. and so what he appears to have done is invite a number of middle eastern migrants, about 2,000 or more, to these camps and literally flew them on belarus airlines into minsk. dumped them on the border of the european union. if you don't loosen the sanction on us, we will be a conduit for migrants to come your way. it's eventually -- >> obviously the migrants are the ones caught in the middle of this. >> yes. >> there are small children there, there are babies, there are toddlers. but what's the off ramp? it doesn't seem there is any side backing down here. it seems like a real standoff. how does all this end? >> the europeans have not stood down at all. , and, of course, what lukashenko knows in 2015 with the issue of syrian migrants, it caused huge disruption in europe, including here in germany where i am right now. and so he is basically threatening to recreate that crisis unless they lift the sanctions on them. and the poor people you see here who are being hit by the water cannons, apparently from the poland side of the border, they are literally caught in the middle here as pawns. they were lured into this spot and now you see what's happening to them. >> all right. david singer, thank you so much for joining me and jumping up early with me. i know it was a last-minute scramble, but we were hopeful to get your analysis. we may need to come back to you soon depending on how this plays out. we appreciate it, david. >> always good to be with you. still ahead, playing with fire. the warning chinese president xi has for president biden, and what else the two leaders discussed for three hours. that's next. ♪ things you start when you're 45. coaching. new workouts. and screening for colon cancer. yep. the american cancer society recommends screening starting at age 45, instead of 50, since colon cancer is increasing in younger adults. i'm cologuard®. i'm convenient and find 92% of colon cancers... ...even in early stages. i'm for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider if cologuard is right for you. i'll shoot you an estimate as soon as i get back to the office. hey, i can help you do that right now. high thryv! thryv? 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>> reporter: laura, we don't know. we just don't know at this stage. there's a lot we don't know three hours after these twin explosions in the heart of kampala. one just outside central police station, another on parliament avenue, in fact, they canceled today's sitting and told members of parliament not to go in because that entire area has been cordoned off as they try to figure out what happened. we have seen social media, one report on the ground, he tells cnn they counted three bodies on the scene on the ground. we don't have an official statement from the ugandan police. we are expecting an update from them in the coming hour so we'll know a bit more. but some background, laura, last month there were two other explosions in uganda, one at a bar, another on a bus that were blamed on rebel allied defense forces that that is an isis affiliate. again, we don't know who is responsible for what happened today, but it plays into the wider context of security in the region. it comes ahead of a trip by u.s. secretary anthony blinken. he is expected in nairobi today and later to nigeria and in senegal. this will be one of the issues that will come up. >> that's for sure, larry, thank you for staying on top of that for us. now to the high stakes summit between president biden and chinese president xi jinping described as a, quote, healthy debate that ended, though, with no major breakthroughs. the virtual meeting lasted longer than planned, stretching to 3 1/2 hours. a senior administration official says it stayed respectful and straightforward despite escalating tensions over trade. the future of taiwan and, of course, human rights. cnn's steven zhang is live in beijing with more on this. steven, good morning. is this summit considered a success? and if so, for whom? >> reporter: well, given how low the bar was in terms of judging progress in this relationship, i think this meeting does seem to have produced this desired effect of putting a floor on this free fall in this relationship which obviously began long before joe biden even took office. but his decision to keep most of his predecessor's harsh china policies talking about building this coalition of like minded democracy us to counter china's rise has not been sitting well with xi jinping. the two leaders with a reported history of rapport in the past would have face time via video link was a sign of progress, especially important now that xi jinping has established his disputed supremacy in this dictatorship. this personal relationship may indeed help stabilize this relationship in the near future. now, the two leaders, as you mentioned, discussed a series of thorny issues at length according to both governments. they seem to have mostly stuck to their government's official positions. more like talking over each other, at least from the u.s. perspective, the fact they were talking was very much needed at this juncture because they wanted to keep this kind of communication at the very top open to avoid any strategic mistakes or miscalculations that could endanger not just bilateral ties, but even global peace and prosperity, laura. >> steven, talk to me about taiwan here. obviously issues there and china's escalation tempting the u.s., one of the big issues of the day. where do things go from here? any progress on that front? >> reporter: that's right. taiwan was indeed one of those hot button issues they talked about. again, they seemed to be mostly sticking to their government's talking points. with the chinese special cherry-picking apart it would better serve their domestic audience after the fact after the meeting, emphasizing biden saying the u.s. will stick to a one-china policy, but biden also said the policy was very much guided by the u.s. plan to sell arms to taiwan to help the island defend itself. that seems to be the case in the foreseeable future. laura? >> steven zhang in beijing. thank you, steven. coming up for you, violence erupting on the poland/belarus border. >> getting back into the european union. thank the gods. don't thank them too soon. kick pain in the aspercreme. with age comes more... get more with neutrogena® retinol pro plus. a powerful .05% retinol that's also gentle on skin. for wrinkles results in one week. neutrogena®. for people with skin. people, with quickbooks live someone else will do your books for you. they'll even pair you with an expert bookkeeper like me, who knows your business. knows... your... business! expert bookkeepers who understand your business. intuit quickbooks live bookkeeping. one role of a lifetime...one sore throat. but she had enough. she took new mucinex instasoothe sore throat lozenges. show your sore throat who's boss. new mucinex instasoothe. works in seconds, lasts for hours. before discovering nexium 24hr to treat her frequent heartburn... claire could only imagine enjoying chocolate cake. now, she can have her cake and eat it too. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn? 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>> reporter: yeah, well, i mean, the situation as you can see, laura, is still very tense. the children and the women that were here last night when it was a very peaceful scenario with them, sort of confronting, facing up against the border guards has completely changed. the women and children have been moved back, the men are brought forward and they're angry. they're throwing stones. the poles are responding with water cannon, covering us in water. sometimes that water is quite acrid, it has some pepper component and stinging your eyes a little bit and making you choke. but it's been successful in the sense it's pushed people back from the barricades which have been wrecked by the migrants over the past -- over the past couple of hours. you can see one of them here, a few people here. they're smashing rocks on the ground to get smaller pieces and then they're using those rocks to throw at the polish lines. they're back to that now, you can see. okay, well, they are doing that. they were doing it. a very tense situation. remember, the european union, the west, the united states accuses belarus of manufacturing this crisis to put pressure on the european union. accuses them of driving these migrants to the border with the false hope they were going to get access to the european union, access to poland. many are from iraqi, hoping to get to the european union. that is not hang. the poles are saying they're not letting the migrants through and the belarusians are not backing down. thousands of migrants, very frustrated living in awful conditions in these camps very little in terms of facilities. the weather is getting increasingly freezing. they're frustrated, they're angry, and they want their situation to be resolved, laura. >> matthew, we saw, this has been sort of a powder keg just brewing there for nearly over a week now, i would say. i know you've been traveling along the border there. what exactly, though, prompted this latest sort of use of force from the poland side that we're seeing now playing out live? >> reporter: well, what prompted it, i think, was this growing sense of frustration. there are also rumors swirling over the past 48 hours around the camp where the refugees have been located -- let's go a bit closer over here to where these people are. swirling around the refugee camp that poland was prepared to open a humanitarian corridor to allow these people to move through it to germany where many of them want to end up inside the european union. the poles for their part said that was not true. they sent text messages to people saying, you're being fooled. don't try and breach the border. force will be used. nevertheless, at a certain point yesterday here on the border, we're just out of range from the water cannon. in a situation here. at some point the refugees had enough. hundreds, if not thousands of them, got up, packed their things, put them in a bag and marched here towards the actual official checkpoint where they hoped they were going to get through, but they were greeted, instead, with this determined response by the polish security forces, border forces who have said they will not back down, and they will not let these migrants through, laura. >> matthew, as you mentioned, there are literally thousands of people there, and we're talking about mothers with their babies. where are they supposed to go exactly? i know you mentioned they have been largely moved back, some of the women and children. but where are they supposed to go? >> reporter: yeah, i'm just bringing you back a short distance now. i don't know how much you can see. just back from that area over here where the people are throwing stones at the barricades, sometimes there are surging forward people. the majority of the refugees, the migrants are over here. they've pulled back. some of them have got tents. there are women and children through here as well living in these very poor conditions, they're sitting on the tarmac. some of them don't have any kind of shelter at all from tents. we're looking at very bleak conditions, these people. the largest group we've talked to are from iraq, some from cameroon. where are you from? iraq, kurdistan. there are people from cameroon, people from syria, people from afghanistan, people from pakistan as well. so, a whole cross-section of migrants from various countries that often produce migrant populations. and so, yeah, a very bleak situation as you can see. there's very little sign at this stage, especially with this violence erupting on the frontier, that these people are going to get what they want to move through the border into the european union. >> and if they don't get what they want and they're still stuck there and facing this violence, what is lukashenko do with this? >> reporter: could you repeat that question? i couldn't quite hear what you said. >> no apologies necessary. you are in the thick of it, my friend. i was wondering what does lukashenko do with this? they described them putting them on planes, almost a form of human trafficking. what does the lukashenko regime do with this? how do they respond? >> reporter: well, they're not backing down. you're right, there is this allegation with some substance to it, a lot of substance to it, that the lukashenko regime orchestrated this crisis. in fact, secretary blinken and the u.s. said just yesterday that it was an exploitation of vulnerable people. and many people around the world, even in poland, european union, in the international community, accept that. alexander lukashenko, the leader of belarus, does not accept it. his backers in moscow, vladimir putin over there, says that's not the case either. let's go back up to where the situation is, slightly intensifying. and so there is this geopolitical standoff. there's no doubt that these people have been encouraged to come here with cheap tickets, with direct flights, with visa restrictions being lifted. and so clearly the lukashenko government regime is culpable for creating this humanitarian crisis on its borders. and, of course, they're not letting them in. we have to remember -- excuse me, we're coughing because there is some pepper spray. >> no apologies necessary. >> reporter: come over here a bit, closer. with these people here. but you have to remember, i think, that, you know, these are real people, real refugees, with real aspirations to make their life better, and who are genuinely caught in the middle of this geopolitical standoff. there is a real humanitarian situation here which is unfolding right on the borders of europe, laura. >> matthew, just describe before the water cannons and the tear gas, whatever it was being dispersed, did you hear anything overhead? did you sense something was coming or was it just a surprise sort of escalation, use of force there? >> reporter: well, i mean, look, no, we didn't have any warning of this. no, we just came from the refugee camp this morning from the refugee place to see where -- oh, to see where everybody has been located. and this was a sort of -- i don't know who directed it, if that's what you're asking. it literally began from the time i arrived. i don't know what specifically instigated it. but i do know -- i do know there is a great deal of tension that's been brewing in these camps for the past eight or nine days since the majority of the people have been based there. hundreds have been arriving every day, putting additional pressure on the very limited resources and the very limited resources that the belarusians have been deploying to look after these people in terms of water and food and shelter. you know, a growing sense of anger as well and frustration. they are not being welcomed into the european union, which is what they were -- these people over here, they're smashing up these rocks as i was telling you, into smaller pieces so they can get it throwable. here you go, anyway. laura, that's the situation. extremely tense. you can see people over there throwing stones. the response, water cannons blasted to push people back. a very dramatic situation unfolding on the belarus and poland. >> matthew, great reporting. please get something to drink and get further information and we will come back to you. matthew chance for us live. >> reporter: thank you. still ahead for you, president biden hitting the road to tout his major infrastructure victory. can he sell this as a win to the american people? that's just ahead. day sale. get 30 to 50% off everything. ♪ ♪ this is how we shine... at zales. the diamond store. to make progress, we must keep taking steps forward. we believe the future of energy is lower carbon. and to get there, the world needs to reduce global emissions. at chevron, we're taking action. tying our executives' pay to lowering the carbon emissions intensity of our operations. it's tempting to see how far we've come. but it's only human... to know how far we have to go. good morning, everyone. this is "early start." i'm laura jarrett. it's about 36 minutes past the hour here in new york. and actors scoring a major legislative victory, president biden hits the road to celebrate his infrastructure plan. he celebrates the landmark legislation at a bipartisan ceremony at the white house. mr. biden calling it a monumental step forward to build back better as a nation. >> the bill i'm about to sign into law is proof that despite the cynics, democrats and republicans can come together and deliver results. we can do this. [ applause ] we can deliver real results for real people. >> cnn's jasmin wright is in washington and joins us live. jasmin, good morning. so, what is the message from this white house after the president's big win? he surely needed one. >> reporter: thartt's right, laura, it's a message of triumph. it is a clear signal that he is trying to get things done for the american people. we just heard him talk about the fact that because both democrats and republicans voted for this bill, it is a clear sign that congress can work the way it is intended to, and that is something that he campaigned on. he spoke about how this bill will build back the nation as it provides roads and bridges and transit. but let's make no mistake about this, laura. this is still a president under pressure. not only is he facing low poll numbers, but he is also facing a national conversation really dominated by those inflation concerns. americans are paying more for everyday goods, higher prices at the pump, grocery shopping as we enter the holiday season. so officials have continued to say over and over that this b bipartisan infrastructure bill with the package that has not passed will tamp down those inflation prices, though we may not see anything happening until the middle of next year. yesterday on cnn, chief of staff ron klain, he made that case and he said he was confident that the larger social safety expansion package that they call b.b.b., build back better, he was confident this week it would get enough votes to pass out of the house. take a listen. >> well, we showed we have the votes on the infrastructure bill, i think we'll show this week we will have the votes on the build back better bill. look, i understand these things always take longer than they should or than you think they should, but america waited 50 years for the road investments be we made today. 70 years for the investments in rail we made today. >> reporter: so today we will see president biden talking more about those investments as he visits a bridge in woodstock, new hampshire, really starting this sales pitch of him and his cabinet members really taking the country, telling them exactly what is inside of this bill. laura, christine? >> jasmin, thank you so much. appreciate it. it's time for three questions in maybe three minutes. let's bring in cnn political analyst margaret, managing editor at axios. margaret, good morning. nice to see you. >> good morning. >> so, president biden got to revel in his moment, he signed the infrastructure bill into law. he gets to tout it in new hampshire, michigan, states demes need help in. how much can this bill move the needle in democrats' favor when some of this stuff, you'll see the tangible results for years? >> yeah, laura, i think you put your finger on it. some of this money is going to start going out at some point in 2022, but president biden is sort of swinging for the history books at this point. and, by the way, you're going to see republicans take credit for -- in their own districts for this infrastructure bill whether or not they voted to pass it. i think you're going to see that. and like you're going to see michi mitch mcconnell in kentucky. he's not trying to help joe biden. we can all agree on that. but for biden this is certainly better than nothing. he'll go to new hampshire. that's a state with a key senate race next year, but it's also a state where a bridge is one thing, but new hampshire voters are going to have higher energy bills. we already know that, because of the supply chain issues. and so i think the economy and the inflation are going to butt up against biden's promise that this investment infrastructure is going to help the country down the road. the messaging is going to be a real challenge for him, and so far he's not been the most adept at threading that needle. >> the messaging has always been, it seems, the issue here. the substance doesn't seem to be the issue that people are taking issue with, but the messaging around some of these wins and blow projecting them as wins seems to be a hiccough. let's talk about the republican side. the casper is reporting the wyoming gop no longer views congresswoman liz cheney as a member of their party. now, she doesn't actually lose any power here. she doesn't get stripped of her committee assignments. i think the conventional wisdom is this is another sign of where the republican party is. is there any world in which something like this actually works in cheney's favor? >> talk about messaging, right? the message is pretty clear from the state party in wyoming. it's been coming for awhile. the censure happened months ago. this is a foregone conclusion. the primary attempt to replace her internally is getting fairly crowded. like a four-person primary at this point. but what you're seeing is cheney in a different way chris christie, the former governor from new jersey sort of put themselves out there and say, you know what, we really care. this is going to be the way we stake our claim to what the future of the republican party is and what we think is our role in it. and i think cheney is now in a place where she understands what's happening in wyoming. she's going to fight for her job, but she's also trying to redefine the party and find her own role nationally and in history. >> so, speaking of christie, dana bash had a great interview with him for her show "being." listen to a little clip and then we'll talk about it. >> i wanted to try to make him the best candidate he could be. and if he won, hopefully the best president he could be. i don't make any apologies for that. i was one very small part of the effort to help make him president. so the responsibility i'll take is i voted for him twice. i admit that and i wouldn't change my vote. >> even the second time? >> no, i wouldn't. i wouldn't change my vote, because so many things, dana, that are happening right now in the country from a policy perspective are to me so long-term bad for the country. >> so, he's disgusted by some of the former president's behavior. he's disgusted by the insurrection. yet he doesn't regret voting for him a second time. what's christie's "end game" here? >> i mean, christie and cheney are taking two different tacks or two different tones, but with the same goal in mind, put themselves different as the definition of republican party going forward in the sense the party needs to move beyond trump to survive long term. christie also said in that interview, and we did an interview with him on axios on hbo recently also, very similar messaging that he said in this case that there's no way those folks on january 6 would have been out there if trump wasn't telling them wrongly incorrectly that the election had been stolen. >> right. >> and so -- but you've got cheney attacking the former president much more directly, and christie trying to find the space where he's saying, look, trump has handled things wrong since the election. cheney is saying, yeah, that and a lot of other stuff. so i think it's two different tones, but really the same message, which is he shouldn't be the future of the party, i should. and then trying to make the case for why. and they both face a larrreally uphill climb. it is in the interest of the party long term and themselves to pursue this course. >> and for now they are truly outliers. we're focusing on them because there aren't many other ones out there that are at least being as outspoken about their thoughts about the former president. what people say behind closed doors might be a different issue. margaret, thank you so much. always great to have you. >> you, too. thanks, laura. is there life on another planet? 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charges to consider including homicide, and lesser included offenses the jury can consider if they find rittenhouse not guilty on the major offenses in the case. in closing arguments yesterday, the defense argued rittenhouse was under attack that night and acted in self-defense. prosecutors pushed back, though, telling jurors, quote, you can't claim self-defense on a danger you create. trial consultant richard gabriel were playing on the jury's fears. >> the jury's fear in a kenosha community about whether they want somebody like kyle rittenhouse to come and protect them, or whether they in kenosha also feel like they want to be afraid of an active shooter in the community. so aside from evidence and burdens and testimony and legal instruction, jurors are looking at what's the story i most believe? and that comes back to what would i do in that situation? how do i feel as a member of this community? >> joining me here for three questions in three minutes, we have former federal attorney and prosecutor. it's so nice to have you on "early start" and in person. closing arguments over, what did you find effective on monday and what do you think fell flat? >> both sides definitely brought in the heat. they brought in the fire foreclosing arguments because you have the closing arguments the last time the jury is going to be able to hear from you, be able to see you, hear what your arguments are. in terms of the prosecution, they were dead on when they said, look, these victims, did not pose imminent danger for these -- for rittenhouse. there was no need to use this deadly force. he was the attacker in this case. he was an active shooter. now, the defense, the defense came out, tried to humanize kyle rittenhouse. he's 17 years old. he likes to go to the dinosaur museum. he was not an active shooter. he was out there trying to protect this community, trying to serve this community, and that at no point was he the threat in this situation. let's see at the end what the jury is going to decide. is kyle rittenhouse a vigilante or victim? >> when they go to the deliberation room they go with a stack of instructions. as you and i know jury instructions are always a slog, always exhausting. the judge reading through the instructions was a real struggle. listen to a little bit of what happened. >> which causes a permanent or protracted loss or impairment, again, determining -- whether the circumstances -- utter disregard for human life, whether the conduct showed any regard for human life, and all other facts and circumstances -- the circumstances related to the conduct. >> okay, i don't know about you, but i cannot follow a word of that. how is the jury supposed to make any sense of had? >> that jury instruction was a hot mess. i was like, what is going on at this point? but i think what it is that judge schroeder, he tried to ad-lib it and lost parts of his concentration, which is crazy because when you're dealing with jury instructions, especially in a homicide case, convictions have been overturned over the missing of one word in giving out the jury instruction. but even with that, there are so many terms that are so hard to follow. and this is for attorneys. so just imagine for the jury. now you're sending them back with a clip of papers. here, find the law and follow it, apply it to the facts. how are they supposed to follow ha? that's why it is the job of the prosecutor to lead them through the charges and try to make it plain language for them to be able to apply. >> and you saw the prosecutor try to do that in sort of a clean-up mode. he tried to say, look, this case is simple. here's what you need to know. again, it remains to be seen whether the jury will find that effective or not. it strikes me this case might be one of those where the public perception of it and what's actually happening in the courtroom and the legal process might be in conflict. and you think back to last summer, sort of the heated protests for racial justice, and remember this is about the shooting of jacob blake. that's why kyle rittenhouse is there. where do you think this goes if the jury finds him not guilty on some of these charges? >> look, it's sad because it's playing out in two different places. it's playing out inside of the courtroom and it's playing outside of the courtroom how you just stated. the thing is the people outside the courtroom, unless you followed this trial from the very beginning to the end and followed the legal analysis to break it down for you, it's going to be hard for anyone to actually grasp the meaning of what this verdict means, because in the courtroom there's a lot of things i could have told you last year, absolutely, kyle rittenhouse is going to be found guilty. he's going to befeld accountable. but from following the trial from the beginning to end, i have a lot of hesitation because the defense was able to poke holes. where does that leave the public? the public may be like, you know what, here we have a 17-year-old kid who was with an ar-15 walking around in kenosha, wisconsin, hey, maybe i should walk around with an ar-15. >> it comes down to the evidence. thank you so much for being here with us. >> thank you for having me. >> appreciate it. now to breaking news out of belarus. the crisis escalates and violence erupting along the border. cnn has just confirmed tear gas and water cannons were fired from the polish side. protesters charging the barricades and throwing stones. our matthew chance joins us live from the belarus/poland border. tell us what you're seeing. >> reporter: there are helicopters in the sky with water cannons firing right behind me here on the migrants. polish guards over there -- the water cannon. one second. >> these pictures are just incredible. we're trying to get matthew's shot back up there. as you can imagine, it's spotty. incredible the escalation here. it appears to have been prompted by some standoff as we know. the migrants there have been camped out for over a week now. we will try to get him back as soon as possible. we'll turn now, let's go live to cnn's political and national security analyst david sanger. david, thank you so much for joining us. a serious escalation here at the border. what is the significance of the poland side here deciding to use force to stop these migrants from crossing over the border? >> well, this has been brewing for sometime. and as you could see from matthew's report, it's gotten pretty chaotic. behind that is a pretty deeply cynical ploy by alexander lukashenko, the leader of belarus. you will remember that last summer he lost an election, then exiled the -- his opponent who would have won, has jailed journalists, opposition leaders, and has been subject to a lot of western sanctions. and so what he appears to have done is invite a number of middle eastern migrants, about 2,000 or more, to these camps and literally flew them on belarus airlines into minsk. dumped them on the border of the european union. if you don't loosen the sanction on us, we will be a conduit for migrants to come your way. it's eventually -- >> obviously the migrants are the ones caught in the middle of this. >> yes. >> there are small children there, there are babies, there are toddlers. but what's the off ramp? it doesn't seem there is any side backing down here. it seems like a real standoff. how does all this end? >> the europeans have not stood down at all. , and, of course, what lukashenko knows in 2015 with the issue of syrian migrants, it caused huge disruption in europe, including here in germany where i am right now. and so he is basically threatening to recreate that crisis unless they lift the sanctions on them. and the poor people you see here who are being hit by the water cannons, apparently from the poland side of the border, they are literally caught in the middle here as pawns. they were lured into this spot and now you see what's happening to them. >> all right. david singer, thank you so much for joining me and jumping up early with me. i know it was a last-minute scramble, but we were hopeful to get your analysis. we may need to come back to you soon depending on how this plays out. we appreciate it, david. >> always good to be with you. still ahead, playing with fire. the warning chinese president xi has for president biden, and what else the two leaders discussed for three hours. that's next. ♪ things you start when you're 45. coaching. new workouts. and screening for colon cancer. yep. the american cancer society recommends screening starting at age 45, instead of 50, since colon cancer is increasing in younger adults. i'm cologuard®. i'm convenient and find 92% of colon cancers... ...even in early stages. i'm for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider if cologuard is right for you. i'll shoot you an estimate as soon as i get back to the office. hey, i can help you do that right now. high thryv! thryv? 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>> reporter: laura, we don't know. we just don't know at this stage. there's a lot we don't know three hours after these twin explosions in the heart of kampala. one just outside central police station, another on parliament avenue, in fact, they canceled today's sitting and told members of parliament not to go in because that entire area has been cordoned off as they try to figure out what happened. we have seen social media, one report on the ground, he tells cnn they counted three bodies on the scene on the ground. we don't have an official statement from the ugandan police. we are expecting an update from them in the coming hour so we'll know a bit more. but some background, laura, last month there were two other explosions in uganda, one at a bar, another on a bus that were blamed on rebel allied defense forces that that is an isis affiliate. again, we don't know who is responsible for what happened today, but it plays into the wider context of security in the region. it comes ahead of a trip by u.s. secretary anthony blinken. he is expected in nairobi today and later to nigeria and in senegal. this will be one of the issues that will come up. >> that's for sure, larry, thank you for staying on top of that for us. now to the high stakes summit between president biden and chinese president xi jinping described as a, quote, healthy debate that ended, though, with no major breakthroughs. the virtual meeting lasted longer than planned, stretching to 3 1/2 hours. a senior administration official says it stayed respectful and straightforward despite escalating tensions over trade. the future of taiwan and, of course, human rights. cnn's steven zhang is live in beijing with more on this. steven, good morning. is this summit considered a success? and if so, for whom? >> reporter: well, given how low the bar was in terms of judging progress in this relationship, i think this meeting does seem to have produced this desired effect of putting a floor on this free fall in this relationship which obviously began long before joe biden even took office. but his decision to keep most of his predecessor's harsh china policies talking about building this coalition of like minded democracy us to counter china's rise has not been sitting well with xi jinping. the two leaders with a reported history of rapport in the past would have face time via video link was a sign of progress, especially important now that xi jinping has established his disputed supremacy in this dictatorship. this personal relationship may indeed help stabilize this relationship in the near future. now, the two leaders, as you mentioned, discussed a series of thorny issues at length according to both governments. they seem to have mostly stuck to their government's official positions. more like talking over each other, at least from the u.s. perspective, the fact they were talking was very much needed at this juncture because they wanted to keep this kind of communication at the very top open to avoid any strategic mistakes or miscalculations that could endanger not just bilateral ties, but even global peace and prosperity, laura. >> steven, talk to me about taiwan here. obviously issues there and china's escalation tempting the u.s., one of the big issues of the day. where do things go from here? any progress on that front? >> reporter: that's right. taiwan was indeed one of those hot button issues they talked about. again, they seemed to be mostly sticking to their government's talking points. with the chinese special cherry-picking apart it would better serve their domestic audience after the fact after the meeting, emphasizing biden saying the u.s. will stick to a one-china policy, but biden also said the policy was very much guided by the u.s. plan to sell arms to taiwan to help the island defend itself. that seems to be the case in the foreseeable future. laura? >> steven zhang in beijing. thank you, steven. coming up for you, violence erupting on the poland/belarus border. >> getting back into the european union. thank the gods. don't thank them too soon. kick pain in the aspercreme. with age comes more... get more with neutrogena® retinol pro plus. a powerful .05% retinol that's also gentle on skin. for wrinkles results in one week. neutrogena®. for people with skin. people, with quickbooks live someone else will do your books for you. they'll even pair you with an expert bookkeeper like me, who knows your business. knows... your... business! expert bookkeepers who understand your business. intuit quickbooks live bookkeeping. one role of a lifetime...one sore throat. but she had enough. she took new mucinex instasoothe sore throat lozenges. show your sore throat who's boss. new mucinex instasoothe. works in seconds, lasts for hours. before discovering nexium 24hr to treat her frequent heartburn... claire could only imagine enjoying chocolate cake. now, she can have her cake and eat it too. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn? 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>> reporter: yeah, well, i mean, the situation as you can see, laura, is still very tense. the children and the women that were here last night when it was a very peaceful scenario with them, sort of confronting, facing up against the border guards has completely changed. the women and children have been moved back, the men are brought forward and they're angry. they're throwing stones. the poles are responding with water cannon, covering us in water. sometimes that water is quite acrid, it has some pepper component and stinging your eyes a little bit and making you choke. but it's been successful in the sense it's pushed people back from the barricades which have been wrecked by the migrants over the past -- over the past couple of hours. you can see one of them here, a few people here. they're smashing rocks on the ground to get smaller pieces and then they're using those rocks to throw at the polish lines. they're back to that now, you can see. okay, well, they are doing that. they were doing it. a very tense situation. remember, the european union, the west, the united states accuses belarus of manufacturing this crisis to put pressure on the european union. accuses them of driving these migrants to the border with the false hope they were going to get access to the european union, access to poland. many are from iraqi, hoping to get to the european union. that is not hang. the poles are saying they're not letting the migrants through and the belarusians are not backing down. thousands of migrants, very frustrated living in awful conditions in these camps very little in terms of facilities. the weather is getting increasingly freezing. they're frustrated, they're angry, and they want their situation to be resolved, laura. >> matthew, we saw, this has been sort of a powder keg just brewing there for nearly over a week now, i would say. i know you've been traveling along the border there. what exactly, though, prompted this latest sort of use of force from the poland side that we're seeing now playing out live? >> reporter: well, what prompted it, i think, was this growing sense of frustration. there are also rumors swirling over the past 48 hours around the camp where the refugees have been located -- let's go a bit closer over here to where these people are. swirling around the refugee camp that poland was prepared to open a humanitarian corridor to allow these people to move through it to germany where many of them want to end up inside the european union. the poles for their part said that was not true. they sent text messages to people saying, you're being fooled. don't try and breach the border. force will be used. nevertheless, at a certain point yesterday here on the border, we're just out of range from the water cannon. in a situation here. at some point the refugees had enough. hundreds, if not thousands of them, got up, packed their things, put them in a bag and marched here towards the actual official checkpoint where they hoped they were going to get through, but they were greeted, instead, with this determined response by the polish security forces, border forces who have said they will not back down, and they will not let these migrants through, laura. >> matthew, as you mentioned, there are literally thousands of people there, and we're talking about mothers with their babies. where are they supposed to go exactly? i know you mentioned they have been largely moved back, some of the women and children. but where are they supposed to go? >> reporter: yeah, i'm just bringing you back a short distance now. i don't know how much you can see. just back from that area over here where the people are throwing stones at the barricades, sometimes there are surging forward people. the majority of the refugees, the migrants are over here. they've pulled back. some of them have got tents. there are women and children through here as well living in these very poor conditions, they're sitting on the tarmac. some of them don't have any kind of shelter at all from tents. we're looking at very bleak conditions, these people. the largest group we've talked to are from iraq, some from cameroon. where are you from? iraq, kurdistan. there are people from cameroon, people from syria, people from afghanistan, people from pakistan as well. so, a whole cross-section of migrants from various countries that often produce migrant populations. and so, yeah, a very bleak situation as you can see. there's very little sign at this stage, especially with this violence erupting on the frontier, that these people are going to get what they want to move through the border into the european union. >> and if they don't get what they want and they're still stuck there and facing this violence, what is lukashenko do with this? >> reporter: could you repeat that question? i couldn't quite hear what you said. >> no apologies necessary. you are in the thick of it, my friend. i was wondering what does lukashenko do with this? they described them putting them on planes, almost a form of human trafficking. what does the lukashenko regime do with this? how do they respond? >> reporter: well, they're not backing down. you're right, there is this allegation with some substance to it, a lot of substance to it, that the lukashenko regime orchestrated this crisis. in fact, secretary blinken and the u.s. said just yesterday that it was an exploitation of vulnerable people. and many people around the world, even in poland, european union, in the international community, accept that. alexander lukashenko, the leader of belarus, does not accept it. his backers in moscow, vladimir putin over there, says that's not the case either. let's go back up to where the situation is, slightly intensifying. and so there is this geopolitical standoff. there's no doubt that these people have been encouraged to come here with cheap tickets, with direct flights, with visa restrictions being lifted. and so clearly the lukashenko government regime is culpable for creating this humanitarian crisis on its borders. and, of course, they're not letting them in. we have to remember -- excuse me, we're coughing because there is some pepper spray. >> no apologies necessary. >> reporter: come over here a bit, closer. with these people here. but you have to remember, i think, that, you know, these are real people, real refugees, with real aspirations to make their life better, and who are genuinely caught in the middle of this geopolitical standoff. there is a real humanitarian situation here which is unfolding right on the borders of europe, laura. >> matthew, just describe before the water cannons and the tear gas, whatever it was being dispersed, did you hear anything overhead? did you sense something was coming or was it just a surprise sort of escalation, use of force there? >> reporter: well, i mean, look, no, we didn't have any warning of this. no, we just came from the refugee camp this morning from the refugee place to see where -- oh, to see where everybody has been located. and this was a sort of -- i don't know who directed it, if that's what you're asking. it literally began from the time i arrived. i don't know what specifically instigated it. but i do know -- i do know there is a great deal of tension that's been brewing in these camps for the past eight or nine days since the majority of the people have been based there. hundreds have been arriving every day, putting additional pressure on the very limited resources and the very limited resources that the belarusians have been deploying to look after these people in terms of water and food and shelter. you know, a growing sense of anger as well and frustration. they are not being welcomed into the european union, which is what they were -- these people over here, they're smashing up these rocks as i was telling you, into smaller pieces so they can get it throwable. here you go, anyway. laura, that's the situation. extremely tense. you can see people over there throwing stones. the response, water cannons blasted to push people back. a very dramatic situation unfolding on the belarus and poland. >> matthew, great reporting. please get something to drink and get further information and we will come back to you. matthew chance for us live. >> reporter: thank you. still ahead for you, president biden hitting the road to tout his major infrastructure victory. can he sell this as a win to the american people? 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[ applause ] we can deliver real results for real people. >> cnn's jasmin wright is in washington and joins us live. jasmin, good morning. so, what is the message from this white house after the president's big win? he surely needed one. >> reporter: thartt's right, laura, it's a message of triumph. it is a clear signal that he is trying to get things done for the american people. we just heard him talk about the fact that because both democrats and republicans voted for this bill, it is a clear sign that congress can work the way it is intended to, and that is something that he campaigned on. he spoke about how this bill will build back the nation as it provides roads and bridges and transit. but let's make no mistake about this, laura. this is still a president under pressure. not only is he facing low poll numbers, but he is also facing a national conversation really dominated by those inflation concerns. americans are paying more for everyday goods, higher prices at the pump, grocery shopping as we enter the holiday season. so officials have continued to say over and over that this b bipartisan infrastructure bill with the package that has not passed will tamp down those inflation prices, though we may not see anything happening until the middle of next year. yesterday on cnn, chief of staff ron klain, he made that case and he said he was confident that the larger social safety expansion package that they call b.b.b., build back better, he was confident this week it would get enough votes to pass out of the house. take a listen. >> well, we showed we have the votes on the infrastructure bill, i think we'll show this week we will have the votes on the build back better bill. look, i understand these things always take longer than they should or than you think they should, but america waited 50 years for the road investments be we made today. 70 years for the investments in rail we made today. >> reporter: so today we will see president biden talking more about those investments as he visits a bridge in woodstock, new hampshire, really starting this sales pitch of him and his cabinet members really taking the country, telling them exactly what is inside of this bill. laura, christine? >> jasmin, thank you so much. appreciate it. it's time for three questions in maybe three minutes. let's bring in cnn political analyst margaret, managing editor at axios. margaret, good morning. nice to see you. >> good morning. >> so, president biden got to revel in his moment, he signed the infrastructure bill into law. he gets to tout it in new hampshire, michigan, states demes need help in. how much can this bill move the needle in democrats' favor when some of this stuff, you'll see the tangible results for years? >> yeah, laura, i think you put your finger on it. some of this money is going to start going out at some point in 2022, but president biden is sort of swinging for the history books at this point. and, by the way, you're going to see republicans take credit for -- in their own districts for this infrastructure bill whether or not they voted to pass it. i think you're going to see that. and like you're going to see michi mitch mcconnell in kentucky. he's not trying to help joe biden. we can all agree on that. but for biden this is certainly better than nothing. he'll go to new hampshire. that's a state with a key senate race next year, but it's also a state where a bridge is one thing, but new hampshire voters are going to have higher energy bills. we already know that, because of the supply chain issues. and so i think the economy and the inflation are going to butt up against biden's promise that this investment infrastructure is going to help the country down the road. the messaging is going to be a real challenge for him, and so far he's not been the most adept at threading that needle. >> the messaging has always been, it seems, the issue here. the substance doesn't seem to be the issue that people are taking issue with, but the messaging around some of these wins and blow projecting them as wins seems to be a hiccough. let's talk about the republican side. the casper is reporting the wyoming gop no longer views congresswoman liz cheney as a member of their party. now, she doesn't actually lose any power here. she doesn't get stripped of her committee assignments. i think the conventional wisdom is this is another sign of where the republican party is. is there any world in which something like this actually works in cheney's favor? >> talk about messaging, right? the message is pretty clear from the state party in wyoming. it's been coming for awhile. the censure happened months ago. this is a foregone conclusion. the primary attempt to replace her internally is getting fairly crowded. like a four-person primary at this point. but what you're seeing is cheney in a different way chris christie, the former governor from new jersey sort of put themselves out there and say, you know what, we really care. this is going to be the way we stake our claim to what the future of the republican party is and what we think is our role in it. and i think cheney is now in a place where she understands what's happening in wyoming. she's going to fight for her job, but she's also trying to redefine the party and find her own role nationally and in history. >> so, speaking of christie, dana bash had a great interview with him for her show "being." listen to a little clip and then we'll talk about it. >> i wanted to try to make him the best candidate he could be. and if he won, hopefully the best president he could be. i don't make any apologies for that. i was one very small part of the effort to help make him president. so the responsibility i'll take is i voted for him twice. i admit that and i wouldn't change my vote. >> even the second time? >> no, i wouldn't. i wouldn't change my vote, because so many things, dana, that are happening right now in the country from a policy perspective are to me so long-term bad for the country. >> so, he's disgusted by some of the former president's behavior. he's disgusted by the insurrection. yet he doesn't regret voting for him a second time. what's christie's "end game" here? >> i mean, christie and cheney are taking two different tacks or two different tones, but with the same goal in mind, put themselves different as the definition of republican party going forward in the sense the party needs to move beyond trump to survive long term. christie also said in that interview, and we did an interview with him on axios on hbo recently also, very similar messaging that he said in this case that there's no way those folks on january 6 would have been out there if trump wasn't telling them wrongly incorrectly that the election had been stolen. >> right. >> and so -- but you've got cheney attacking the former president much more directly, and christie trying to find the space where he's saying, look, trump has handled things wrong since the election. cheney is saying, yeah, that and a lot of other stuff. so i think it's two different tones, but really the same message, which is he shouldn't be the future of the party, i should. and then trying to make the case for why. and they both face a larrreally uphill climb. it is in the interest of the party long term and themselves to pursue this course. >> and for now they are truly outliers. we're focusing on them because there aren't many other ones out there that are at least being as outspoken about their thoughts about the former president. what people say behind closed doors might be a different issue. margaret, thank you so much. always great to have you. >> you, too. thanks, laura. is there life on another planet? 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