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brianna keilar. it is tuesday, october 26th. 2.9 billion people use facebook worldwide. 2.9 billion, more than a third of the world population. when we're talking about facebook users, we're talking about the world. think of the influence. think of the reach. think of the potential for goodness, but think of the potential for danger. or the actual manifestation of danger. the following are accusations, revelations, or admissions of what facebook and its branches are doing to the world. told not in the words of facebook's outside critics but critics from the inside. >> it is a platform for spreading of hate speech. that it is ripe for abuse by those who wish to do harm. that it is a petri dish for pois poisonous misinformation. it's a safe haven for pol politicians to lie. a marketplace for trafficking and selling human beings. it is especially damaging to the self-esteem of young girls. >> it provided some of the fuel for the insurrection. an empowerment vehicle for extremists at home and abroad. it has a different standard bas which you live. much of it can't be stopped. facebook cannot sufficiently police itself, critics say, misleading investors along the way. >> perhaps most damning, the company is accused of knowing so much of this but doing so little to stop it. instead, whistleblowers show facebook has and continues to prioritize growth over safety and profit over people. >> this is one of the justifications from the company. quote, research shows certain partisan divisions in our society have been growing for many decades, long before platforms like facebook existed. true. except now, those divisions have this extra vehicle to boil and fester, appealing to the extremes, often with lies. lies that sell. >> i've seen lots of research that says that kind of engagement-based ranking creates polarizing, divisive content. doesn't matter if you're on the right or the left, it pushes you to the extremes and fans hate, right? anger and hate is the easiest way to grow on facebook. >> it is easier to grow anger and hate. >> good actors, good publishers are already publishing all the content they can do, but bad actors have an incentive to play the algorithm. they figure out all the ways to optimize facebook. so the current system is biased towards bad actors and biased towards people who push people to the extremes. >> but despite all of these revelations and accusations, the one that perhaps concerned mark zuckerberg the most is that younger people increasingly are not using the platform because, essentially, they think it is lame. researchers finding young people perceive it as a site that is boring, negative, and for people in their 40s and 50s. that made zuck mad. during the earnings call, he accused the media of making the company look bad. his internal documents, mind you, generated by facebook employees. then he turned to his real problem, the possibility that facebook is becoming irrelevant to the next generation. he announced that they're now focusing on 18 to 29-year-olds, not the older generations. one way to attract the youth might be to clean up their act. the damning, new revelations about facebook have democrats and republicans united in their call for a crackdown on silicon valley. that is setting the stage for a showdown that is going to be a test. we have new reporting from cnn's mela melanie, live on capitol hill. can congress do anything, mel? >> reporter: big tech has been one of the most powerful and untouchable industries on capitol hill. that is going to be put to the test. these damning, new revelations about facebook's corrosive impact on society are fueling bipartisan calls to crack down on silicon valley. there are a couple ideas on how to do that. web one idea is to reform the legal protections that prevent internet companies from being held liable for user-generated content. there is a bill from chairman frank pollone that would remove the legal shield if internet companies knowingly or recklessly used personalized algorithms that used content to cause emotional or physical harm. it's focusing on the algorithms rather than the user-generated content. there are no republican co-sponsors yet for the bill. the other general idea being kicked around is to create more competition in the marketplace. the house judiciary committee passed a package of anti-trust bills earlier this summer with the support of several republicans, i should note. it has yet to receive a vote on the house floor. so, look, while there is bipartisan anger, it is still very unclear whether that's actually going to translate into action. part of the reason is because republicans and democrats, while they agree on the need to reign in silicon valley, they disagree on why and how to do it. the other bigbrianna, is money. big tech is one of the biggest political spenders in washington. this is what david cicilline told me about this. quote, with enormous economic power very often comes enormous political power. and they are spending millions and millions of dollars, flooding this town with lobbyists and campaign contributions, doing everything they can to stop these reforms. this is the reason that battles against monopolies are hard. so we'll see what happens here. i will note that proponents of cracking down on big tech feel like momentum is finally on their side. >> we'll see if it is enough. thank you. >> joining us now, former democratic senator from minnesota and host of the "al franken podcast," the former senator on tour tour. long before the tour tour, you've been warning about facebook for years. >> yes. >> what do you see as the danger? >> you've pretty well articulated it coming up to me. it just has a prenicious effect, and it knows it does. every time they discover that, they make a choice. they make the wrong choice. their choice is profits versus acting responsibly. they do that over and over and over again. they are just irresponsible. there was talk about the protection from section 230, which needs to be changed. basically says they're a platform and not a publisher, and that protects them. that was written in 1995. the internet decency act. we didn't really understand what the internet was at that time. that needs to be revisited. look, they write their own algorithm. they can control their own algorithm. they -- on the judiciary committee, i had the head legal counsel, and they had been -- this is in 2017 -- they had taken ads from russia, bought by russia, political ads, which is illegal. they were paid for in rubles. >> tip-off. >> you'd think so. you would think so. now, they brag about having all the data in the world in silicon va valley, and they couldn't put those two pieces of data together. political ads paid in rubles in russia. i asked the lead counsel, i said, will you pledge not to take political ads paid for in rubles? and he wouldn't. i kept asking him, "why not?" he said, "well, you can convert any currency to any other currency." i said, "why would anyone convert it to rubles?" he wouldn't answer me, and he wouldn't pledge not to take ads from rubles. these guys have no compunction about anything. they've caused genocides in myanmar. you'd think one genocide, they might go, "hmm, maybe we should stop that." go ahead. >> you think that -- okay. you say they caused genocides. we have seen some of the effects, very bad, on the self-esteem of girls. they're uncontrolled in many other countries. inciting violence in ethiopia or helping to do so. is it that they're causing these things, or are they accelerating them? is there any difference to you? >> well, those are precise words. accelerating is accelerating. they know they're doing that. they aren't -- they pick profit over acting responsibly every time. every time. they need to be reined in. there's different ways to do that, and we should pursue that. >> what are the ways to do that? on capitol hill, if you watch, you have democrats and republicans in broad agreement, that facebook, they say, is a risk or a threat. tell me exactly then how to crack down on that. >> well, first of all, there is the antitrust aspect. why should they have got -- been able to buy instagram? why should they have been able to buy what's app? they should break them up. that's one thing. they should also enforce -- change 230 so they're responsible. that was written way before we understood their power and the power of the internet. we should change that and stop giving them the protection that 230 provides. >> what about a culture shift? do you think that zuckerberg and s s sandberg have to go for facebook to figure this out? >> i think so. all these internal documents point to him being the guy who makes that decision. profit, good ak ctor? we'll go for profit. he runs the company. it's his company. something has to be done with him. i don't -- i don't know how we make that happen. there are antitrust, as i said, antitrust actions you can take. they had to pay a fee to the s.e.c. years ago. cambridge analytica, they broke a consent agreement. they were only made to pay $5 billion. they should have been made to pay $100 billion. next time they do anything like that, and we should hold them in contempt of those agreements and fine them whatever we can. >> i want to ask you about the biden agenda and what may happen this week, finally. they may, congress, pass the infrastructure bill. >> sounds like you're emphasizing "may." >> for dramatic effect. it is something you may want to try on the tour tour. listen, it may get through. they may pass the infrastructure bill in the social spending plan. they may reach a compromise. some are starting to wonder if the focus of the white house and the biden administration may not be on the areas that, as of this morning, voters are most concerned about. things like, you know, gas prices or how much thanksgiving dinner will cost, or the economic recovery writ large here. so you may be in support of any or all of the things that are part of this plan, but is it addressing the major concerns of the american people? >> i think last time i was here, we talked a little bit about supply chain and inflation, and some of that is hangover from the pandemic. but you're right. thanksgiving dinner is going to be more expensiexpensive. gas prices, americans really care about that. but they also are going to care about, you know, in europe on child care, the average european country puts $14,000 into each child, supplementing their parents to do child care. in the united states, it's $500. that is going to -- that's going to save a tremendous amount of money for parents. it is going to free up parents to go to work. right now, it's so expensive to have child care for your kid, that many people can't go to work. they can't afford to have child care. there are going to be pieces. universal pre-k will be able to do the same thing. bringing down the cost of prescription drugs, if we allow medicare, which is one of the things they're wanting to do, allow medicare to negotiate with pharmaceuticals. we pay two to three times as much for the same pharm pharmaceuticals, many of which we manufacture and produce. we may two to three times as much as they do in europe. there's lots of stuff in this that's going to bring down the cost to americans of very basic things that europeans take for granted. >> may bring down the cost. >> yes, may. >> may. >> if it passes. >> it will bring down the cost for child care. >> for sure. >> what they're talking about. >> if it passes. >> if you have your kid in pre-k, you don't have to provide -- pay for child care. it will bring down the cost, brianna. >> i happily have a child in pre-k, so i hear you. >> she or he is in pre-k? >> yeah. >> does that bring down your cost of child care? >> it should. theoretically, yes. but it does, yes. >> it does? >> well, for me personally in the age of covid, no. i have to have backup child care because i have to go to work. but hopefully in the absence of any sort of heading home from school because of potential covid quarantine, it will bring down the cost of child care. >> it will, see? >> i look forward to the days post covid. >> it will. i rest my case. >> al franken, you will or may and will be back with us again. >> may works so that it will. >> appreciate you being here. thank you very much. fcoming up, beer cans, live ammunition, plinking. the shocking, new details about what crew members were alleged to be doing on the set of "rust" hours before the deadly shooting. plus, a jury will decide whether charlottesville organizers prepared for a violent showdown from the start. the legal battle ahead. and a heartwarming moment between tom brady and a young brain cancer survivor. what left him weeping tears of joy. we're going to speak with noah and his dad. >> so excited, he's crying. he got to meet tom brady. 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about disturbing lapses or concerns with gun safety measures and the assistant director on previous productions. the producers of "rust" say they're conducting an internal investigation of security measures. production of the movie "rust" on hold indefinitely, as detectives investigate how haylna hutchins was killed during a rehearsal. this morning, reports of possible safety violations on set. a report that crew members used prop firearms from the film for live ammunition target practice, according to an individual with knowledge of the set. >> there's this pastime that crew members sometimes do called plinking. they go out into the rural areas, and they shoot at beer cans. this is with live ammunition. we learned that this happened the morning of the day that haylna hutchins was killed in the early afternoon. >> reporter: cnn has not confirmed this reporting. >> this is an enormously important piece of information if confirmed. this could explain how a live gun with live ammo on it got onto that tray before it was handed to alec baldwin. >> reporter: this comes as more safety concerns emerge about the assistant director, who reportedly handed alec baldwin the prop gun that killed hutchins. dave halls was fired from a previous movie in 2019 after a gun fired unexpectedly during a scene. halls faced behavior complaints in two other productions, including a disregard of safety protocols for weapons and pyrotechnics use, failure to hold safety meetings or announce the presence of a firearm on set. halls did not respond to cnn's request for comment. >> the arbiter of safety is the assistant director. they know they can inspect the gun, but they can't take the gun. >> reporter: according to an affidavit, the set's armorer prepared the prop gun, which halls picked up from a cart and gave to baldwin. telling him, it is a cold gun, indicating it was safe. >> there is just no way the first ad should have had any access to the gun at all. he should not be touching the gun. it goes from the armorer to the actor and back to the armorer. that's it. live ammo has no place on a motion picture or television studio set. it has no place on a set anywhere at any time. >> reporter: the fatal shooting just days after there were two additional accidental prop gun discharges on set, despite actors being told the firearm was cold. the "los angeles times" reported. at a vigil honoring hutchins over the weekend, one stylist said she declined working for the film after saying it didn't seem safe. >> they told me terms were non-negotiable. other glitches felt funny to me. i'm a 22-year member, so i know how contracts and terms and back and forth with negotiations and where i'm comfortable working. >> reporter: now, when asked about the reporting about crews going out to shoot beer cans that morning, the practice known as plinking, producers of the movie "rust "referred us back to their previous statement, which said, and i quote, though we were not made aware of any official complaints about the prop safety on set, we will be conducting an internal review of our procedures while production is shut down. a lot of unanswered questions still, brianna. >> they certainly aren't answering that one. a very important one you ask. lucy, thank you for the report. a civil trial under way in charlottesville for organizers of the violent and deadly unite the right rally in 2017. and is former president trump only seeking a second term, potentially, because he is trying to avoid jail time? when a truck hit my car, the insurance company wasn't fair. i didn't know what my case was worth. so i called the barnes firm. i was hit by a car and needed help. i called the barnes firm, that was the best call i could've made. i'm rich barnes. it's hard for people to know how much their accident case is worth. let our injury attorneys help you get the best result possible. ♪ the barnes firm injury attorneys ♪ ♪ call one eight hundred, eight million ♪ if you're a worker, it's a good time to be looking for a job in america. companies are metaphorically rolling out the red carpet and offering the sun, moon, and stars to sign people up. that's the metaphor. what's happening in the literal corporate world for job seekers is almost just as good. cnn chief business correspondent christine romans joining us now. >> it has its own nickname, the great resignation. this is issue number one for companies. covid has reshaped the jobs market. a census survey found nearly 5 million people are not working because they're taking care of their kids. 3 million people are worried about getting or spreading the virus. a record number of people simply quitting their jobs. they say they want better pay, better working conditions, and more flexible working arrangements. companies now are scrambling in a war for talent. they're offering higher wages and sign-up bonuses to attract and keep workers. finding skilled workers, the number one concern of chief financial officers, topping the supply chain nightmare and rising prices and concerns about the health of the economy. here come the holidays, guys. amazon offering a $3,000 signing bonus for its temporary workers and $18 an hour starting wage. companies are beefing up perks. they have tuition assistants, student loan repayment, better paid leave, wellness programs, paid time off for volunteering, ibm coverage, even pet insurance. then there is this, spanx founder signed this big, $1.2 billion deal with blackstone. you know what she did? she gave each employee two first class plane tickets to anywhere in the world and $10,000 to spend on their trip. that's more of a thank you, right? it just shows you how really the war for talent, the war for their employees is issue number one. >> i'd work at spanx for that. where would you go? >> tahiti. can i get there? i don't know. >> i'll go straight to boston. christine romans, thank you very much. jury selection resuming this morning in charlottesville, virginia, where organizers of the 2017 unite the right rally face a civil trial. the rally was a stunning display of hate and extremist violence, as white supremacists descended on charlottesville. ellie reeve was there four years ago and is back now covering the legal fight. she joins us now live from outside of the courthouse. this may ultimately close this book, but also, i think, open a lot of questions, ellie. >> reporter: so yesterday during jury selection, one of the defendants wanted to probe potential jurors or whether they thought anti-white racism could exist, or whether antifa was a violent organization. neither of those questions is at the heart of this case. >> jews will not replace us! >> i have never, ever seen anything like this. >> reporter: it was so violent. >> it was like a civil war happening. >> reporter: on a saturday morning. >> on a saturday morning. >> reporter: tunisia hudson and i came within a few feet of each other on the morning of the unite the right rally 2017. hours before a white supremacist drove a car into a crowd, kill ag killing a woman and injuring others. i interviewed her after. >> this is the face of supremacy. this is what we deal with every day, being african-american. i knew something bad was going to happen that day. i think free speech ends when violence begins, right? i can say what i want. i can't do what i want. >> reporter: that's at the center of a federal civil lawsuit against the organizers of the rally that goes to trial this week. many >> many of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit were peacefully standing there, protesting white supremacists coming to their town. surrounded, beaten, punched, kicked, all kwwhile extremists were chanting things like "jews will not replace us" and other violent, racist, anti-semitic chants. what happened that week enend w in many ways, a surprise. in closed chats, they discussed what to wear, what to bring for lunch, how do you sew a swastika onto a flag. how do you attack people with common weapons? it is a racially motivated, violent conspiracy. it is not anything that's protected by the first amendment or by any other sort of right that people have. >> white lives matter! >> reporter: defendants are men who made themselves white power brands. richard spencer, chris cantwell, jeff scoop, matt hinebach, jason kessler, and more. they've argued they were simply engaging in their first amendment right to speech and protest, and the violence is the fault of the police were not separating them from the counter-protesters. but what made the alt-right grow so quickly, the internet, has been its undoing in this case. because the defendants left behind an enormous paper trail of what they say were jokes about racial violence. >> with an event like charlottesville that was national news, maybe may have seen the torch march, the car attack on the news, but if you look beneath the surface, there's just so much more. what that evidence shows is that there was a conspiracy to commit racially motivated violence. >> reporter: the discovery process has turned up documents that, beyond what they might mean for this lawsuit, reveal to the public how this movement worked. the exhibit list contains text messages that show expetensive planning among leaders who tried to distance themselves from each other since 2017. they show an embrace of violence. they show they weren't just jokes. is there one comment that stands out at you? >> the image that has stuck with me every sin since the beginnin the case is a picture that shows a tractor running people over called the protester digester. look, there's many, many posts in this case about running over people with cars prior to the car attack on august 12th, but that one, to me, was -- like, i can't get it out of my head. >> hundreds of fascists on all sides. >> reporter: if you're saying organized violence is not protected by the first amendment, but speech that talks about violence is protected, there's obviously going to be a question of where along that spectrum can you say the law should step in or the first amendment doesn't protect you. that's what this case, i think, is interestingly going to be about. what is that line? >> you have to understand the nature of internet communication and how much that changes the nature of incitements. >> reporter: in a sense, no matt whae -- matter what the verdict is, you've already won because richard spencer said it was financially crippling. jeff scoop says they don't hold public rallies anymore. whatever they're doing behind the scenes, they can't get numbers in public. what do you think about that? >> people need to understand that this is real, that it is out there, that it allows people from all otver the country and the world to organize in ways that were previously impossible. that is a real and present danger. >> reporter: tunisia says despite all the national attention charlottesville got after 2017, it didn't change the systems that benefit white men. there are two systems and two sets of standards, whether that's for leaders in city government or people fighting in the streets. >> i probably could have literally kicked one of their asses that day. but if i put my hands on them, i'm going to jail. but thinkey did it all day and to go home free. >> reporter: it is interesting that this civil lawsuit has been the biggest consequence for those organizers. not facing, like, criminal charges. >> right. >> reporter: what do you think about that? >> i knew nothing was going to happen to them. why would it? the police are on their side. i mean, we just watched the replay again on january 6th. i remember posting when the insurrection happened in the capitol, "hey, d.c., charlottesville told you so. you believe us now?" this is what they did to us. they invaded us. now that it happened at the capitol, it's,"oh, my goodness, they need to go to jail." we told you they needed to here. they didn't go to jail. charlottesville could have did the right thing and made such a big statement, and they didn't. charlottesville failed us. then after charlottesville failed us, our president failed us. >> reporter: so the defendants are expected to argue that, yeah, they're racist, but they didn't conspire to commit violence. the trial is expected to last four weeks. >> ellie, thank you so much. ellie reeve, withe know you'll tracking the trial. coming up, a georgia police chief is under fire for training his officers to avoid shooting vital or begorgans. he believes it can make a difference. my next guest believes it can be problematic. ahead -- >> to the transgender community, i'm more than willing to give you an audience, but you will not summon me. i am not bending to anybody's demands. >> comedian dave chappelle speaking out about the controversy surrounding his netflix special. what he plans to do next. as someone who resesembles someone else, i appreciate that liberty mutual knows everyone's unique. that's why they customize your 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on will. the reason? it may help trump stay out of jail. joining us is the author of the piece and the director of georgetown university's journalism program, doyle mcmanus. honor to have you on this morning. why are you convinced he is running? >> well, there are a lot of reasons donald trump may want to run, and everybody has been debating them. he's first in the republican polls. he's a man with an ego. he loves to compete. it's a good way to raise money. but i was talking with lawyers and investigators around all of these inquiries into mr. trump's conduct around january 6th, and they actually raised another issue here. that is mr. trump faces investigations in at least three jurisdictions, saying he is going to run for president helps fend off the prosecutors. it is a political argument. when he says "this is a witch hunt," that's going to make every prosecutor and every attorney general think twice or three times before moving ahead. >> it's a political impact, not a legal disqualification for a criminal investigation, correct? >> that's right. there is certainly nothing to prevent any prosecutor, including the attorney general of the united states, merrick garland, from investigating a former president. technically, donald trump is just a retired guy living in florida, but every time he says i , "i'm thinking about running for president," the democrats know that. this is a witch hunt. this is trumped up by nancy pelosi and my political adversaries. that is kind of a brush back pitch that tells me, "if you want to tangle with mr. trump, you're in for a lot of political trouble, not just legal trouble." >> we'll put up on the screen some of the different investigations that are going on right now. there's the georgia election tampering case, directly related to the election and what happened after that. there's a case in michigan. there is obviously the criminal investigation into the insurrection in d.c. there are other things here, as well. now, the congressional investigation, by the way, he may not even need to run in 2024 to make that go away. he needs republicans to take over the house in 2022, and the select committee goes poof. >> that's right. that is a great point. a lot of what you're seeing now, for example, steve bannon, trump's former adviser who has been subpoenaed but refused to respond to the subpoena, he has stonewalled completely, and mr. trump has publicly called on his former advisers to stonewall those investigations, that may simply be a strategy of delay. if they can slow walk this investigation in the house and keep anything from happening until 2022, if republicans win that election, kevin mccarthy becomes speaker of the house, poof, that investigation goes away. first thing a new republican speaker would do is to kill that investigation. >> doyle mcmahnuscmanus, one of best reporters for decades, we appreciate you being with us. thank you very much. >> thank you, john. tom brady made his day. why this 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>> i don't really remember what he said to me. but -- >> it was pretty loud. >> but you got to shake his hand, which was so wonderful. after such a big game for him. you know, james, walk us through what this journey has been like for you with the diagnosis and the role, frankly, that tom brady already played in this journey you've been on. >> yeah. no, so noah is 10 now. and from about age 6 or age 6 he asked me, dad, who's the best quarterback and i just said, well, tom brady. ever since then he's kind of been fixed on tom and then kind of everything around him and so, of course, patriots and gronkowski and edelman and all of that program and then so he's a big football fan. and we had the diagnosis, i mean, solid diagnosis in february this year. and once that hit, you know, obviously there is, man, that was -- talk about shock. that's a nightmare. but we learned almost immediately just from the outpouring of love and support from family and friends and the neighborhood and school and church, et cetera, how wonderful people can be and then the layer over the top of all of that, especially in those really difficult times when, you know, as a parent you -- there aren't enough stuffed animals or hugs to give at some point, what we noticed was that noah would gravitate toward -- it was always football. and then especially tom brady. he has a lot of athletes he looks up to in football programs between college and pro. but there were moments, really difficult, dark times when noah just needed football and especially to watch tom. and what we noticed is that would just elevate him, just lift his spirits, help with morale, and help him stay motivated and help him have that little extra push to kind of get through those really difficult times. >> noah, you were holding a sign that said tom brady helped me beat brain cancer. but i have to say, i think your courage is helping so many others around the scountry righ now. so what do you want people to know? what is your advice to others going through tough times? >> just keep fighting. just -- >> listen to your mother. >> yeah. listen to your mom. >> that's good advice always. let me tell you that. what about the hat? he gave you a hat, yes? >> yeah. >> show them. >> let's see it. >> hold it up. >> that's sweet. what are you going to do with that? >> i'm probably going to hang it in my room. >> i'll give you 6 bucks for it. if i send you $6, will you send me the hat? >> he's already been offered $20 by his sister. >> oh, man, you're bidding me up here on national tv. so, noah, you know, do you think you'll get a chance to see him again? what do you want to say, because that moment was so quick and was so loud there, if you could say something to tom brady, right now, this morning, what would that be? >> thank you. i just want to tell him thank you. he's helped our family so much. >> oh, dude. yeah. >> you are one courageous young man who has got a fantastic taste in football. noah, i really -- i can't tell you how great it is to meet you, to see how well you're doing. and to share in this joyful moment that you had. so thank you for being with us. and, james, can i ask you also, did tom brady send a video also over the course of the treatment? >> he did, that was why his thing was so full circle, and that was just because, you know, you are never more than a couple of touches away from anybody, really. and people know, family members, friends know, just know noah's passion for football and the love of tom brady, so, you know, i'm not sure exactly how it happened. i got a second cousin todd heap who played for the ravens, i know he was instrumental in that process somehow and my wife jackie received a video message from just hit her phone out of the blue one day, came at a very pivotal moment, noah was having a tough time, and sitting in the driveway in the car talking it through and boom, this message hit and jackie opened the phone and looked and there was tom with a very personalized, very sweet message for noah, message of encouragement and faith, said he was thinking about him, praying for him, and he knew it would be okay and that's why we were just, like, you know, we want to just to be sure and say, hey, that was super helpful. and he is okay. and, you know, here he is. >> it is just wonderful. you know, noah, football matters, touchdowns matter, but what matters more is kindness. and tom brady showed that to you and courage, which you're showing to the world. can i get one go bucks, go patriots right now, or go brady. give me a go brady shout. >> go brady! >> all right. go noah. noah reed, james, thank you for being with us. you put a smile on our face that will last a long, long time. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> i just love that. i'm totally crying by the way. what a sweetheart. >> his reaction, what was it like when brady came over, it was crazy. >> it was crazy. i love how he described all of his different emotions and that he's so in touch with knowing what all of them were. you saw it all on his face. i just love how much it speaks to, you know, it is not just football. it is not just whatever other sport it is. but these are things that keep someone like noah going and it is amazing. it reminds you how important it can be. >> and the video that brady sent. it is not easy dealing with what nknomo knknow noah and his fami dealt with. >> kudos to his parents, you can tell they have marched with him through this. it is amazing. >> go noah. >> go noah. "new day" continues right now. good morning to our viewers here in the united states and all around the world. it is tuesday, october 26th. i'm john berman alongside brianna keilar. we have new revelations this morning about events leading up to the tragic shooting on the new mexico set of the film rust. according to the wrap, crew members used prop guns with live ammunition for target practice, a past time called plinking, just hours before cinematographer halyna hutchins was killed. their report says one of the guns was handed to alec baldwin that fired the shot that killed hutchins and injured the film's director. >> we have new reporting about the assistant director on the movie, dave halls. he was fired from a movie set in 2019 after a crew member was injured in another gun safety incident. he is the one who according to police reports handed the weapon to alec baldwin. and joining us now to discuss this, corporate media reporter at "the los angeles times" meg james. meg, this is incredibly, incredibly disconcerting, this possibility that live rounds were not only on the set, but they were -- these guns were being us

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