president biden returning to washington moments ago after spending the day in connecticut trying to sell his massive spending bill. that bill, along with much of the president's agenda, stalled tonight. yet, biden says he's still optimistic. >> i told you before what my neurosurgeon years ago said when i had that an eurysm. he said your problem, senator, is you're a congenital optimist. but i'm convinced we're going to get this done. i'm convinced we're going to get it done. we're not going to get $3.5 trillion. we'll get less than that. but we're going to get it. and we're going to come back and get the rest. well, the problem right now for the president is that these negotiations over a $3.5 trillion spending bill aren't just holding up that bill. they're actually holding up the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill. a bill that passed the senate with 19 republican senators onboard. that's epic. it's amazing. and yet, they can't get the thing passed. it's a bill progressive democrats in the house refuse to vote on until they get their much bigger spending bill. and here is why the president's optimism on that bill is so hard to understand. >> we came down from 6 to 3.5 trillion. okay? that is a huge, huge compromise. so i think, at the very least in my view, we have got to be at 3.5 trillion. >> my number's been 1.5. i have been very clear. >> okay. so i mean, just -- just right there, you see it. the stalemate between progressives and moderates in the democratic party has been going on for months. and tonight, there is no sign of a breakthrough no matter how optimistic biden wants to be. and it's not just the price tag that's holding things up. it's what's in the bill. according to our manu raju, manchin raised a number of big concerns of the bill on a call with a small group of fellow democrats this week. a whole bunch but let me just give you one -- one example. and that is, the proposed expansion of medicare to include dental, vision, and hearing coverage. manchin is opposed. okay? this is the substance of the bill. but for sanders, it's a redline. >> 84% of the american people want to expand medicare to cover dental, hearing aids, eyeglasses. >> so listen. list of disagreements does not end there. it's -- it's on so -- substanti substantive point and earlier today, the president seemed unable or unwilling to answer the key question of, then, what now? >> mr. president, is it time for negotiations to end with congress? >> and there are larger problems for biden and the united states here, too, especially with the president's plan and i hope you heard this part, right? they'd get the, you know, rest 3.5 trillion but they are going to come back and get the rest. just get what we can get and we'll get the rest for you. it doesn't seem very likely. and the bigger picture reality here is that the united states has had, for a long time, a massive problem of spending more money than it has. right now, the united states is more than $28 trillion in debt. that is greater than the size of the entire economy. and yet again, here we are, groundhog day. in a few weeks, yet again, the united states won't be paying its bills unless congress acts, yet again. remember that whole kick the can down the road for a few weeks? they haven't been close to proving that they are able to do anything about this problem in a meaningful way. and we also know that even senator manchin's $1.5 trillion likely doesn't mean $1.5 trillion at all because the democrats on the house ways and means committee already passed a version of the president's original $3.5 trillion plan. and the committee, for a responsible federal budget, calculated that the real cost of that plan which they said was, you know, about $1.5 trillion was $5.5 trillion over a decade assuming that the policies are as progressives fully intend them to be made permanent. the ways and means committee proposed a series of tax changes to offset some of the spending but according to the joint committee on taxation, that will raise less than $2.1 trillion. so you are still trillions of dollars in the hole. and as you can see, a price tag is never really a real price tag. another problem for biden and for the democrats is that americans right now are not seeing full value in the president's proposed spending plan. >> my plan's to let the overwhelming american people told what's in it. understand that when families have a little more breathing room, america has a lot better shot. >> according to a new cnn poll, though, americans are either not being told clearly enough or they don't like what they are hearing. unclear what is the motive here. but if congress were to pass both of the spending bills, only a quarter of americans say their family would be better off. 32% say they would be worse off. so more families think they would be worse off than better off and 43% say they would be about the same. phil mattingly is out front at the white house and, phil, i know you have been talking to a lot of people there tonight. and i know patience must be starting to wear thin. where -- where are they? >> you know, i think you can put it in a combination of impatience, some trepidation, but also some resolve. i think, erin, when you talk to white house officials, it's very clear. that they would like to move forward. they would like to have the votes to move forward. they would like to get this done as quickly as possible. whether you look at potential end of the month deadlines or the virginia governor's race. whether you look at the fact that the stakes right now are enormous. this is the backbone of the president's entire domestic agenda. and they need to get it across the finish line. the reality is they don't have the votes, yet. erin, over the course of the last several days, white house officials and their congressional counterparts have been involved in intensive behind-the- behind-the-scenes negotiations with senators manchin and sinema. the president spoke to both senators this week. is expected to speak to them, again, next week. and these negotiations are granular. they are detailed and there is a recognition that everything the president put on the table, yes, everyone knows it's not going to be $3.5 trillion but there is also going to be programs reduced. there is going to be durations reduced. there is going to be specific pots of money for those programs reduced, as well. what they haven't found yet is a way to thread the needle to ensure those two moderate senators come on board. that's where the impatience comes from and i think some officials that i have spoken to have made clear at some point, congressional leaders and the president are going to have to essentially say you are either with us or not. they are not at that point, yet. the president made that clear tonight when he returned from connecticut. he said he is working hard to do it as quickly as possible. white house officials want that to be very soon, erin. >> yeah, i mean, of course, it just -- look, there are certain thins once you start a program. just ending it. you know, you -- just a lot of existential questions here. all right. phil mattingly, thank very much. i want to go now to robert, the labor secretary under president clinton. also with me, mark sanford who served in congress where he was a member of the budget committee and the joint economic committee. thanks very much to both of you. secretary, let me start with you. the democrats, obviously, the stalemate within their own party right now. manchin and sinema absolutely no to $3.5 trillion. biden has admitted that won't happen. sanders is digging in 3.5 trillion or bust. and then, there are the deep substantive disagreements about what would even be in what they include. but the big question, secretary, is can democrats really afford all of this when you are looking at a overall debt load of $28 trillion? >> well, i don't think the question really, erin, is whether democrats can afford it. the question is whether the united states can afford it and i think the answer there has got to be a resounding yes simply because we are the richest country in the world. we have not made these investments in childcare, in k, pre-k, and community college. and in -- in -- in -- in children, in general, in years. and americans need it. i mean, in west virginia, for example, you talk about medicare benefits, dental benefits and -- and other forms benefits that seniors don't have. west virginians need that and if it's pointed out to them they need it and in arizona they need it as well. we have the money. i mean, look at just what has happened over the past -- well, during the pandemic. the 660 wealthiest americans increased their wealth by a total of $1.8 trillion. that's the half the -- that's half the whole cost of what we're talking about here. i mean, it's absurd that we're having this discussion right now. look at the military budget. >> right. okay. so, i will say there is complexities, right? i mean, in new york, right, we have universal 3k -- we have universal pre-k. the devil is in the details. what are you going to do? i mean, i just make the point. it's complicated, governor sanford, what's your responsibility -- what's your response to what the sec re ta secretary is saying that this is a no brainer that there is the money and this should be paid for? >> resounding but respectful disagreement. that is, we don't have the money. the fact is we are on a borrowing binge. in fairness, it was begun under trump. borrowing at increasing levels. and now, we are putting that on steroids as you look at -- at what's being contemplated here. we are looking at structural $2 trillion a year budgets deficits going forward. and -- and, you know, the question at some point in terms of the middle class is fatigue. they are already beginning to see the effects of this -- this -- this borrowing binge which is, you know, which is 5.4% inflation over the last 12 months. people are seeing that in the way if erodes their checkbook. they are seeing it in the way it increases the cost of the things they have to buy to make a living. and people are rightfully saying there is sticker shock here. enough is enough and i want to hold off on borrowing a bunch more money that will pay for programs that will necessitate more borrowing. >> you talk about the top-660 americans. and -- and president biden has continued on a theme, obviously, that he has been repeating consistently, right? that the richest in this country need to pay more in taxes to pay for his spending. here's how he's put it. >> never had any problem for adding $2 trillion in tax cuts for the very wealthy. look. i -- i -- i don't think you shouldn't be able to make a million or a billion dollars. i'm a capitalist. but guess what? i'm also listed for 36 years the poorest man in the congress but i make big money now. i'm a president. but all kidding aside, i don't think we should punish anybody. but just pay your fair share. just pay your fair share. it's paid for because big corporations and the very wealthy ought to start paying their fair share. >> so, secretary, that was all today and i just want to go through the numbers because i know what he is saying is compelling but i i think we got to talk specifics, right? the top 20% of tax payers in america pay 78% of the nation's taxes according to the tax policy center. the top 1% in the latest tax year available, 2018, they earned 29% of the income in america. their share of federal taxes was double that. they paid 40. so in this country, when you work for a living and you earn more, you pay more. it's a progressive system. so, secretary, i ask you if the top 20 are already paying 80% of the taxes, what is there? >> erin, the big change that has happened in the american economy over the last two decades is that we are no longer talking about the top 20%. in fact, we're not really talking any longer about the top 1%. the wealth of this country is now largely in the hands of the top-tenth of 1%. and when i talk about the 660 billionaires who increased their fortunes by $1.8 trillion during the course of this pandemic, i am talking about -- >> are you frustrated then the bills they are putting forth, the tax increases don't actually target that one-tenth percent of people? >> well, if we had a wealth tax, we could certainly do that. we could also go just repeal the -- the $1.9 trillion trump tax cut. i mean, why can't we do that? that -- that tax cut went mostly to the wealthy and to big corporations. they didn't need it. get rid of that tax cut. and -- and when you look at what we are spending on the military, we -- remember, the afghan war is over. and we have -- what happened to the peace dividend? what happened to all of the money that we are no longer spending or should no longer be spending on military? well, we are spending about 300 -- let's see -- $720 billion a year on so-called national defense. you think we -- we ought to do that? what about the defense of our people in terms of their health? what about childcare? what about all of the needs we have, as a society? this is absurd. i -- i think we're having a discussion that has no basis in reality right now. >> governor? >> the reality is let -- let -- let's pretend we can just take all the money from all the top couple of percent, it still does not solve our problem and in that regard, this is a complete red herring of an argument. which is let's just go after those guys or those gals by there is not enough juice there to get you there, to your earlier point, erin. as you were pointing out, a fairly large chunk of the taxes is already paid by this group. we could tax them some more. we could tax them right up to the top. but it still, mathematically, does not solve the problem of the structural deficits that are built into the curve. if you look at, for instance, the social security tax and the social security trust fund, there just is not enough out there in the way of millionaires or billionaires to cover it. it's going to come back to all of us, and people sense that which is why i think there's some measure of -- of pushback from the likes of joe manchin or kyrsten sinema saying, wait a minute, this is not what we're hearing from our folks. they don't want to see a bunch of promises that necessitate future taxes coming back to me, the middle class. >> i appreciate both of you very much. i look forward to having you both back together. i think it's an important conversation and the two of you, great to have it with. thank you so much. >> thank you. and next, breaking news. president biden, moments ago, saying those who defy january 6th subpoenas should be prosecuted. as cnn obtained new video of one of the first successful breaches of the capitol building recorded by one of the rioters. plus, sepsis. it is a life-threatening medical emergency that put bill clinton in the hospital and tonight the former president is still there. plus, a faceoff between chicago police and the mayor over vaccine requirements. so, how many officers are willing to go on unpaid leave to make their point? 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>> well, no, i'm not because the critical issue here is whether or not steve bannon's assertion that he doesn't have to even appear because former-president trump has asserted executive privilege. that's a decision that the current president makes. and clearly, he has rejected the idea that executive privilege prevents people from testifying. and that is very much a decision to be made by the current president of the united states, and i'm glad he reached the conclusion he did. >> so i know you are preparing to take the first step towards holting steve bannon specifically in criminal contempt for refusing to cooperate with your committee. your colleague congressman eric swalwell told cnn today he doesn't think there is any chance bannon will cooperate in any instance. here's how he described what it was like interviewing bannon in a prior deposition. >> it was like sitting with the joker from batman and the -- and the dark knight. the guy -- he was maniacal. he laughed at most of the questions, refused to answer most of the questions. he is not going to cooperate. >> i mean, you know, i -- i put that in there just to say even if you win, that may be what you get. someone who mocks and makes a joke of the entire process. are -- are you confident that you will actually get bannon to tell you the -- the real -- the real story? >> well, we'll see. but he's obliged to do so and his bogus claim that he doesn't even have to come in is ridiculous. i mean, you know, he needs to come in. he needs to testify. he needs to provide the documents that we've asked for. it's his moral obligation. it's his legal obligation, and we expect him to fulfill that. >> so your committee, i know, was supposed to sit down today with the former trump chief of staff mark meadows. you postponed his appearance. so, you know, meadows is different because when you point out steve bannon claiming executive privilege, not only is trump not the executive anymore but, of course, bannon was not an employee of the executive. but meadows was different, right? he was the chief of staff at the time working for the president in the white house and he is claiming privilege. do you think that his situation is different when it comes to privilege because of that? >> well clearly, there -- it -- he was an employee. however, executive prediivilege not absolute and in fact courts have found many times that the privilege does not apply. so, there's an overwhelming need to get the information from mr. meadows. i think it's important. his attorneys and the attorneys for the committee are engaging with each other. surely, he -- he must not believe that when he was addressing people other than the president, that somehow that is covered by executive privilege. and i point out that we had a very lengthy legal battle on a different subject, of course. where ultimately, the white house counsel was required to testify to the judiciary committee that there was no privilege that had overcome the need of the congress to get the information. so, we'll get it. i -- i think the former president's bag of tricks has always included da delay and obfuscation. we are aware of that and we're not planning to let him win in that way either. >> so i wanted ask you because the original document that went out, just a request, right, for documents. there were, i mean, thousands of pages, documents that would come back from that, right? now, specifically, president trump. they didn't want any of it to go out, right? but then they rejected specifically to 45 documents on that list that would come from the national archives. they -- they said 45 of those, they did not want to be shared with your committee. that they believe are protected by executive privilege. what is in those documents? why do you think he doesn't want you to have them? >> well, i don't -- i would never speculate as to the former president's state of mind. but i will say this. the current president has rejected -- um -- the claims of executive privilege, relative to the archive documents. we expect to get them. we need to get them. and we need to be able to get to the truth so we can tell the american people. >> congresswoman lofgren, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> you bet. next, bill clinton remains in the hospital tonight after requiring urgent care for a condition that kills tens of thousands of americans each year. just how serious is his infection and how common is it? 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>> well, tucker -- father of four, by the way -- >> yes. >> -- can't possibly think that it's not a good idea for fathers to stay home and help their -- um -- spouse with newborns. i -- i think that there's a -- you know, this insidious attack on paid-family leave because the republicans don't want to have to vote on it. and because they know that most of their constituents actually want it and -- and it is in the biden build back better bill. and that is a policy that we should be endorsing. families across america need paid family leave, and for pete buttigieg is a really good thing. >> okay. so in a statement to cnn about the paternity leave for secretary buttigieg, the dot says in part, the secretary took leave to be approximate with his new family starting with the rival of his twins in august. he was mostly offline, except for major agency decisions and matters that could not be delegated. um, but, scott, to be honest, you know, it wasn't like he -- when he -- and he was very proud about the announcement of his children, right? but there was no announcement at that time of paternity leave. they didn't -- they didn't come out and proudly say it, and take that stand. that is not how this was handled. so why do you think that is, scott? we are only finding out about it now. >> well, they were hoping no one would find out about it, number one. and number two, i think the -- the pr danger here for secretary buttigieg is we are in -- in the middle of one of the biggest transportation crises in recent american history. all this chaos at the ports and supply chain issues. and he's not been at work. and i am a pro-family leave guy. i believe in it. as you mentioned, i got four kids. and my company, we have been generous with letting people take time off with their families and i think that's a good thing. but when you accept an assignment from the president of the united states, and you are confirmed by the u.s. senate, you're accepting a higher level of responsibility. a higher level of public service. and frankly, you ought to know that goes with some personal sacrifice. so the fact that they have let this chaos go on at the ports while secretary buttigieg has been off doing this and now they want to present it like it's an anti-family stance to question that. i don't think that's right. look, he is not a manager. he is the secretary of transportation and that has to come with a higher level of responsibility. >> what do you make of that point? that perhaps given the job, given the responsibility, given the moment and the crisis, that he could take a leave but maybe not at that moment? maybe, put it off and take it later because he is in a very specific and special job. >> it's a good question but i don't think there's any reality to it. um, we know that the secretary has been available multiple times to the department and to the white house over the course of this leave. and has -- um -- keyed in on special calls and -- and assignments. we know the deputy secretary of transportation, that -- that there is an entire department there doing the work. and we've got port policy happening. president biden is keeping the los angeles and california ports open 24/7. secretary buttigieg was involved in that decision. so, this is just really -- um -- a smokescreen because it's not true that he can't get his job done, and it's not true that we have to make that choice in america between getting your work done and taking care of your child. falling into that trap is dangerous. >> scott, what do you say? again, given the context here of the job. >> i mean, look, number one, if he was getting his work done, the ports wouldn't be a total disaster for the biden administration and the president, himself wouldn't have had to step into this all these months later. number two. just a year ago -- just a year ago, he was asking the american people to make him the president of the united states. he was asking for this level of responsibility, and i'm sorry. being president, being cabinet secretary, being confirmed by the senate and taking on these big jobs. this is different than some, you know, minor, nonpublic job in middle america and corporate america. and so, he took this on. he knew what he was getting into. and the fact that they didn't tell the american people what he was going to do, and now they are cleaning it up on the back end tells you they just mismanaged this and it makes me wonder if he has a level of seriousness commiserate with what's required to be a u.s. cabinet secretary. >> hillary, there is something to be said for that, right? they didn't embrace it at the moment, at all. i mean, this is -- i think it's pretty clear they were hoping people wouldn't notice. >> they have been transparent about him not being -- um -- available for certain things. but for emergencies, he has been available. >> right but, hillary, that is really different than saying i'm going to take paternity leave because i think it's important and i'm setting an example. that just -- that's not what they did. >> well, it -- it is what they have done. and i think that that family is entitled to a level of privacy, just like other families are. but having aid that, i think the country is not for the poor because secretary buttigieg is taken parental leave. the crisis at the ports has more to do with the supply chain issues coming from the far east. the administration, including the department of transportation, including secretary buttigieg, they are doing everything they can. working with shippers. working with suppliers. keeping that thing flowing as much as possible. scott talking about this being a crisis at the ports is just not true. >> we do have a supply-chain crisis. >> the crisis is at the point of distribution, where the supply chains are. and getting them into the united states. >> ship after ship after ship lined up in the ocean out off of both coasts. if this is not a transportation crisis, boats in the water, then what is? 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♪ ♪ tonight, former-president bill clinton spending another night in the hospital. clinton has been in the icu because of a urinary tract infection that spread to his bloodstream. sara sidner is out front in orange, california. and sara, there was a possibility clinton would be released today but i understand he is spend another night in the hospital. so what can you tell us? >> reporter: that's right. he got here tuesday with fatigue and other symptoms. and doctors determined it was so serious that he needed to be admitted to the hospital. and given intravenous antibiotics, as well as fluids. but it turns out, he was supposed to leave today but doctors are really concerned and wanted to make sure that he is able to get intravenous medicines. and i will let you know we have gotten a statement from the clinton's spokesperson and he told us this. look. that all health indicators at the moment are trending in the right direction, including his white blood cell count which has decreased significantly. and in order to receive, though, further iv antibiotics, he will remain in the hospital overnight. meaning, that he will have been here four nights. you know, he had this urinary tract infection according to doctors. that led to an infection of the bloodstream. and that can be very dangerous, even deadly, if it's not treated. but the president has been treated. he said he's been treated very well and is deeply grateful for the outstanding treatment he's gotten here at uc irvine medical center. so what you are hearing from him is he is in a good mood, he has been joking and reading and up and at 'em, but he needs another night. >> all right. sara, thank you you very much. and i want to go now to a prominent surgeon based in florida. you can see his ted talks, as well. doctor, i really appreciate your time. so this is going to be the fourth night in the hospital. you know, americans understand given -- given the state of medical care in this country. being in the hospital for four nights is, generally speaking, an incredibly serious thing. you are not even in the hospital four nights when you have a c-section. how serious of an infection is this? >> i mean, sepsis, when you are diagnosed with it, is as serious as it gets. and once you get that diagnosis, time is of the essence. so you ysaw the president was getting hydration and fluids and antibiotics. the better chance the patient has at surviving the overall symptoms of sepsis because sepsis has degrees to it. you have sepsis, severe sepsis, and then septic shock. the shock is where all the organs start failing and that's what we are trying to prevent. so it's pretty serious. if you have even mild symptoms and you have any concerns, you should definitely get yourself checked out sooner, rart gtd th later. >> and i think what is frightening to a lot of people about this is he is otherwise healthy. obviously, he's had heart conditions but he is otherwise a healthy person. he just feels fatigued and all of the sudden, wait a minute. you are in the icu. i know partly for security reasons but you know, you are there for something that could be very serious. i understand that the cause of this in his case -- the specific cause of a urinary tract infection is not common in men. but -- but -- but more common than many people may actually think. so -- so tell me about how common it is and -- and what people should know? >> so over a lifetime, a guy has about 12% chance of getting a urinary tract infection. but you mentioned something very important. you don't have symptoms all the time. in my office, i probably see a guy once or twice a month that ha just we find the infection based on a urine test that was done as a screening test. so that's why it's very important for men to go get their preventative screenings done, especially men. and these are the high-risk individuals for -- that will have complications from any infection. men over the age of 50. men that -- that are not emptying their bladder, they have prostate issues. men with mobility issues so there's just not as active so their body's just not as strong as we need it to be, overall. and men with chronic conditions like really bad heart issues or uncontrolled diabetes. all of these risk factors make you more prone to getting infections. but not just infections but more prone to getting some of these severe infections. >> so obviously, you mentioned how deadly sepsis can be, right? that once you are in that state, it is as serious as it gets, i think was the exact phrase you used. i know that according to the cdc, 270,000 people a year die from sepsis. how common is it for someone to develop a uti and have it turn into sepsis? or what is the drivers -- the predominant drivers of sepsis? >> i would say it's extremely rare. once you have symptoms and you start initiating treatment -- actually, i see a lot of men in my office that have rip roaring urinary tract infections, they will never get to that point of sepsis. sepsis sometimes can be predictable and sometimes it can be unpredictable and that's why you just are to be aware of your symptoms. if you start having issues breathing. if you start having issues with your blood pressure. or if you start having this excessive fatigue or anything that may feel abnormal, you got to get yourself checked out. and i think that's why men sometimes suffer more severe complications because they just don't have those symptoms. and when they do have those symptoms, they may just say, okay, maybe i'm tired or maybe i just drank something or maybe i'm dehydrated. now, you know, it could be something inside of you and that's why it's really important to get yourself checked out. >> doctor, i really appreciate your time. th thank you so much. next, not giving an inch. the meiayor of chicago and the police union suing each other tonight as the bat over the covid vaccine gets nastier. even though covid is the number one killer of officers. and breaking news from england tonight. the second -- second stabbing death in five years of a member of parliament. and police tonight have said it is potentially linked to islamist extremism. .. we are not getting you a helicopter. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ trading isn't just a hobby. it's your future. so you don't lose sight of the big picture, even when you're focused on what's happening right now. and thinkorswim trading™ is right there with you. to help you become a smarter investor. with an innovative trading platform full of customizable tools. dedicated trade desk pros and a passionate trader community sharing strategies right on the platform. because we take trading as seriously as you do. thinkorswim trading™ from td ameritrade. is struggling to manage your type 2 diabetes knocking you out of your zone? 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and um, when that happens, you can see rumors, mis -- miscommunication, information. sci science leaves -- leaves the picture. it just becomes chatter. it attacked his lungs. it made them look like baby swiss cheese. >> reporter: over a thousand mimes away in mississippi, jessica also lost her husband stefan in january, about a month after he contracted covid-19 on the job with the norton police department. she says stefan wanted to be the first in line to get the vaccine but never had the chance. >> it's just absolutely sad as you would imagine. raising two small girls without their dad. and if he had had the choice to give himself that extra -- extra protection so he could continue to serve the public, and still come home to his family, he absolutely woof done it. >> reporter: jessica shared the final heartbreaking text messages the couple exchanged on facebook hoping to plead with police officers to get the shots. >> if you are serious about your commitment to protect the public and if you are serious about your personal commitments to your family, then that should be enough. >> reporter: covid-19 is the number one killer of american law enforcement officers over the last two years. taking over 470 lives, according to officer dow memorial page. since the start of the pandemic, more than four times as many officers have died from covid 1 as from gunfire, that memorial page says this despite being among the first groups to have access to the vaccine. >> obviously, get vaccinated. it's an individual ride and i firmly still believe in that. but i would certainly encourage people to do that. >> reporter: across the u.s., some officers remain hesitant to get vaccinated. in miami, officers are resisting a potential vaccine mandate. in san francisco, at least 120 officers will be off the street after failing to comply with the city's order that high-risk employees be vaccinated. the san francisco police association said the national police union is encouraging vaccinations, but is not in favor of a mandate. >> we are going to keep fighting this mandate and this dictatorship. you would think that there's no crime in this city to worry about. you would think that there's no murder, no robberies, no guns being fired. >> reporter: up to half of chicago's police officers could be placed on unpaid leave after this weekend if they didn't disclose their vaccine status. the police union is telling officers to ignore the deadline, and mayor lori lightfoot is acushioning the union president of trying to induce an insurrection. as karen watches the battles raging across the country, she hopes her husband's death is a lesson to his fellow officers. >> do you think mike dying helped other officers in this department get the vaccine? 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