the white house with this for us. john, what more are you hearing about this? >> reporter: kate, this is a move that european countries and other countries around the world, south africa, the uk, eu countries as you mentioned, have been very impatient for, that the airline industry has been very impatient for. they've had a difficult time building back up their international business. and the united states, the biden administration in particular is also impatient for it. why? because they want every sign that they have to demonstrate to the american people that life is getting back to normal in the pandemic. now we see cases going down, hospitalizations and deaths going down, finally after that summer surge of the delta variant. things are moving in the right direction and the administration by opening up travel for -- if you're on a flight, you have to have proof of vaccination and a negative test if you're traveling by land, not required. but this is something that the administration wants to tout as a way of showing that we're getting closer to the other side of the pandemic. it's consistent with the message that they're sending domestically, which is both from the federal government and private employers. vaccinations are required. that's the way to get around the pandemic and more that the united states can emphasize that internationally and domestically, we need to get vaccination rates up, the quicker we get to the other side. >> john harwood, thank you. advisers to the fda are meeting right now to consider whether to authorize booster shots for millions more americans. this time it's those who received the johnson & johnson vaccine. yesterday the fda advisory panel voted unanimously to recommend authorization for moderna's booster shot. elizabeth cohen is with us watching this. walk us through what's going to happen today. >> reporter: they'll have the same sort of investigation into all the detail wls boosters are necessary, if they're helpful, effective, whether they're safe, but this time the discussion will be about johnson & johnson instead of moderna or pfizer. so pfizer now, if you had pfizer more than six months ago and fall into certain high-risk categories, you can get a booster as we speak. yesterday, that was set in motion for moderna, and now they're looking at johnson & johnson. i was speaking with the chair of the committee that's doing this work, a panel of outside vaccine advisers to the fda, and he said, look, it's really important for johnson & johnson that people get that second shot. look at what arnold monto had to say. he said it's critical to get the j&j people protected. they are starting at a lower level of protection. moderna and pfizer soon after original shots with them you're about 94% to 95% protected against getting sick with covid-19. but for johnson & johnson soon after vaccination it's 72%. that's still a good number, but it's not as good as moderna and pfizer. that's why he said that. also at this meeting we're expected to hear a discussion about mixing and matching. for example, if you got johnson & johnson the first time around, say six months ago, could you now get a pfizer or moderna booster? it's just a discussion. no decisions will be made. what's interesting is that a study, relatively small study of about 450 people, it actually showed that folk who is got johnson & johnson the first time, they were actually better off if their booster were pfizer or moderna. kate? >> fascinating. thank you, elizabeth. we'll watch this. joining me right now in the meantime, cnn medical analyst dr. lena wen, former health commissioner for city of baltimore. we know pfizer's booster got the green light. moderna is the same, held there. is it a given in your mind that johnson & johnson's booster will be authorized as well? >> it really needs to be because first of all there are 15 million americans, myself included, who got the one-dose johnson & johnson vaccine who had no guidance throughout, even though we're seeing the data that the one-dose regimen is not as effective as the two doses of pfizer or moderna. back in august, immunocompromised individuals were told if they got pfizer or moderna, they can get the third dose. compromised people with the johnson & johnson vaccine have not been told that. i would hope what the fda does at the minimum is to harmonize to reduce confusion. they should at the minimum say that johnson & johnson recipients should be able to get a booster six months out. there's a question of maybe they should get a booster sooner. maybe also as elizabeth reported they should be able to receive a mix-and-match approach with pfizer or moderna. i hope that's also the case. at a baseline, they should be at least told first and second they could get a booster after that shot. >> i've heard doctors say for a while j&j should be considered a two-dose vaccine because of what is being seen in terms of waning immunity. what do you think of that? part of the j&j shot was the convenience factor for many. >> that's right. i still think that if i have a patient, for example, who i know is not going to get followthrough, they're not going to come back for a second dose of the vaccine, and they'll just get one vaccine, then i would still recommend the johnson & johnson vaccine to that person because one dose of j&j appears to be longer lasting to provide better protection than one dose of pfizer or moderna. but at the same time, we also know that one dose of j&j is just less effective even at baseline compared to the two doses of pfizer and moderna. and so i think there's an open question of should the j&j vaccine actually be at least a two-dose series. i'm not sure if that's what the fda is going to get to in their conversations today. >> right. >> but i know there are lots of recipients who want to know, what about me, what should i be doing? >> an important number in all of this is what the cdc just put out. it's kind of reframing things i think in an important way that unvaccinated adults in the united states, unvaccinated, face an 11 times higher risk of dying from covid than fully vaccinated people and six times higher risk of getting covid. this is from data that the cdc compiled in august. but what we're also seeing is that the number of booster shots being given is outpacing the number of first shots. what do you see in this? >> of course from a public health standpoint we need to get the unvaccinated vaccinated. that's what's going to make the biggest difference in terms of driving down infection numbers and hospitalizations across the country. that said, the vaccinated are being put at risk because of the high level of virus around us, and there are a lot of vaccinated people who want to get an additional level of protection as a result. i would want to get a booster as soon as that's allowed, and i think that -- i don't think it's a problem that we have a large number of people getting booster doses. i think, though, it's a problem we're not getting as many people their first doses. >> yeah. when you hear 11 times higher risk of dying from covid, that's -- i mean, that's something that should impact a lot of people if you're unvaccinated. there's another important aspect of this, which still remains unanswered. it gets -- you and i talked about this. what is the goal of these vaccines? you know, paul offit, d dr. offfit, he raised this again yesterday saying is the goal to protect against serious illness or to try and prevent getting infected in the first place? why is this an important thing to get worked out? where do you land on it? >> to me, this is not a scientific question. this is a value judgment as in people like dr. offit and i'm sure many americans would say, hey, as long as i don't get very sick or end up in the hospital from covid, i'm fine and don't need a booster dose. there are plenty of other people, and i am in that second camp, saying i don't want to get covid at all. there's the potential for symptoms. if i get ill, i have young kids. i don't want to transmit it to them. and i don't want to be out of commission and unable to work and care for my children. a lot of us would want to get a booster for that reason. i do not think it's the role of the federal government and our federal health officials to be telling americans how we should value our lives and our ability to get ill or prevent sickness. the role of our federal government should be to say are these vaccines safe and effective? is a booster safe and effective? if it is, then allow americans to make that decision with themselves. >> merck on monday requested emergency use authorization for its antiviral pill, a treatment pill if you get infected. you argue that even if this treatment might deter some from getting vaccinated because they would have an effective way of not getting too sick, you still argue if that deters people, even if it deters some people from getting vaccinated, that's no reason to hold back on approval. why is that? >> because we don't do that for any other aspect of medicine. we don't say to people, well, because there might be cardiac bypass surgery available, that might make someone not treat their blood pressure seriously that could prevent that bypass from happening. we don't say that because we know that treatment and prevention have to go hand in hand. of course we need to be doing everything we can to prevent people from getting covid through vaccination. i strongly believe in everything we need to do, including vaccine requirement in order to get there. there are still going to be people who are unvaccinated. it's our job as physicians in the medical system to treat these individuals. also, there are some people who are vaccinated who could still have breakthrough infections, and if they are medically fragile, compromised, they might need to take these treatments as well to prevent serious illness. that's what medicine is about. we do not incentivize treatment -- sorry, we don't incentivize prevention by denying people treatment. we have to do both. >> thanks for being here, dr. wen. we turn now to an update on another big health story we are tracking today. former president bill clinton is still in the ice isles at a hospital in southern california. he's been treated for a urinary tract infection that spread to his bloodstream. he's been in the hospital since tuesday. we learned about it overnight. sarah, what are you hearing this morning? >> reporter: there's a lot of activity that we are seeing that's unusual this morning with a lot of dark suvs and i looks like secret service members that have just pulled up in the area where the president would be coming out. we know the former president has been here since tuesday night. he was feeling fatigued, and it was decided he needed to come to the hospital. doctors say he had a urinary tract infection that, indeed, he had an infection in his bloodstream, which can be very dangerous and even fatal, something like sepsis. but in the last day, he has been doing very well, they said, on the mend, he's been making jokes and laughing and being able to walk around and talk with folks. so he is doing much better. they have been having him on an i.v. drip, also giving him fluids inva venously. but he is doing better. so there is a lot of speculation as to whether or not we will stay today for observation or whether he may be released. we do know that hillary clinton did come and go in the last couple of days. there are images of her coming into this hospital here at uc, irvine, medical center. and we also are well aware that, you know, the doctors are clear in saying that he did not come here with a covid infection. he does not have covid, but he had some of the symptoms of covid. that was due to the fact that he had an infection in his bloodstream. so he seems to be doing much better. >> more updates to come. thank you for being there. coming up still for us at this hour, steve bannon in the spotlight and under pressure. the congressional committee investigating the attack on the u.s. capitol now ready to pursue criminal contempt. looking at your full financial picture. this is what it's like to have a comprehensive wealth plan with tax-smart investing strategies designed to help you keep more of what you earn. and set aside more for things like healthcare, or whatever comes down the road. this is the planning effect from fidelity. some things are good to know. like where to find the cheapest gas in town, and which supermarket ves you the most bang for your buck. something else thas good to know? 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joining me right now is cnn senior legal affairs correspondent paula reid, cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor jennifer rogers. paula, where is this headed now? >> reporter: kate, it's a very lengthy process and one that is not undertaken very often, but the first step is likely on tuesday when lawmakers are expected to hold a business meeting where they'll mover the adopt a report, detailing how they tried to get bannon to cooperate and how he refused. then it moves to the house for a vote and if it succeeds there it moves to the justice department, the u.s. attorney's office, possibly put this issue before a grand jury. ultimately the decision lies with the attorney general, merrick garland, if he wants to move forward with this. bannon has argued he will not cooperate unless ordered to do so by a judge. he says he's been directed by trump not to participate because he wants to raise issues of privilege, though it's not clear he will do that. if he is prosecuted, there is a trial, if he is found guilty, a lot of ifs, if that happens he could face a fine or jail time. this is incredibly rare, but i'm told by lawyers within the trump orbit, jail is a potential possibility here. >> the ifs, jennifer, is where i'm stuck as paula lays out really well. i have questions of how much teeth a congressional subpoena and criminal contempt has. how do you see this moving next? >> well, you know, it's interesting because bannon is the one to try this with because he has the least effective claim of executive privilege. so they're counting on the fact that doj is going to be first of all willing to proceed, period, when we really haven't seen any indication that merrick garland wants to move forward with these kind of investigations, but second they're willing to say there is no possible legal basis here for the assertion of executive privilege because if there is, they can't prove the criminal matter that this violation by bannon was willful. they're taking a risk sending it to doj, but there's not really a clearer case than bannon's for doing this now, holding him criminally responsible for this violation of his subpoena. >> right, because bannon, and paula, check me on my dates here, bannon left the administration in 2017, so obviously he was not with the administration on january 6th, which is what is being investigated or near it. paula, is there a way to avoid this going to court and then very possibly stalling for quite some time? >> the committee knew they were likely to get a fight from these first set of subpoenas with the trump allies. it was believed these folks would likely resist and they wanted to allow time to resolve this. there are other options. the committee could pursue civil actions. they said they don't want to do that. that's something they pursued multiple times during the trump administration and those civil claims would often be tied up in courts for months, even years. now, of course, another way to not go to court is to come up with some sort of agreement, some sort of accommodation between the two parties, a way to resolve this without going to court. bannon could show up and plead the 5th. clearly the committee wants to send a message to any witnesses who defy their subpoenas in this investigation. but there is always a chance that if this goes all the way, if this goes all the way to trial, he could be found not guilty, and that sends a very different message than the one they intended. >> yes, yes. all the scenarios you're laying out is like a graphic i can't envision right now. jennifer, asked yesterday about the possibility of subpoenaing donald trump in all of this, the chair of this committee, bennie thompson, told wolf blitzer the following -- he said, quote, nobody is off limits to a subpoena from this committee. is that a realistic possibility? >> it's hard to say. i don't think that they will do it or at least they won't do it until they've gotten testimony from everyone else around the president. all of the documents, all of the time line elements, and all of the people who were with him on that day and working with him and others in connection with the time leading up to january 6th. so i think by the time they do all of that, they will run out of time to try to subpoena the president. but i guess they're saying nothing is impossible. so in fantasy world, we could see him in front of that select committee, but i'm not holding my breath. >> this whole mash of very important investigation matching up to a very unclear process. there's a lot of vagaries when it comes to executive privilege and just how long the court system takes to work, which is in opposition to how long the politics and the campaign season is. good to see you guys. thanks so much. coming up, president biden is heading to connecticut to promote his economic agenda. ip up next i'll talk to governor ned lamont. got directv stream. now we can watch live tv and on demand. serena... scary movie... serena... scary movie... serena williams ready to serve. ahh! quiet, please. triple match point serena williams... this is her moment. ahh! quiet, please. ahh! quiet, please! get your tv together with the best of live and on demand. introducing directv stream, with no annual contract. as i observe investors balance risk and reward, i see one element securing portfolios, time after time. gold. your strategic advantage. with our unique tub over tub installation in just a day, bath fitter doesn't just fit your bath, it fits your busy schedule. why have over two million people welcomed bath fitter into their homes? 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>> i think one of the most important initiatives from build back better and the human infrastructure bill is daycare and child care. it gives these kids a running head start in life. it allows mom and dad to get back to work. right now we have worker shortages. a lot of moms have dropped out of the workforce at this point. if we make daycare a lot more available, we have capacity and a lot less expensive, more people could take advantage of pit. >> is this aspect for your state the most important or is the physical infrastructure more important for your state? >> oh, that's a tough either/or. look, we're a pretty old state. we have old bridges. our trains slow down as they go over these 90-year-old bridges. i could make things safer and faster with a real infrastructure bill. i think that's right at the top of my list. but obviously, daycare, child care is right next to it. >> this at least when it comes to congress is a fight amongst democrats, still continues to be. the key moderates in this discussion are once again balking at the size and scope of how big this is and how far it goes. what is your message as a governor to joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, who say what they're holding out for and standing up for is just representing their state? 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why are people quitting at a record rate? anthony class is a professor of business administration at texas a&m. he coined a phrase everyone is using for this, the great resignation. thank you. i've been watching your commentary and reading your work for some time on this now. you've researched the psychology of quitting for much of your career, which in and of itself is fascinating. who is quitting and why? >> well, there's really a few different buck epts of individuals who are quitting and reasons driving this resignation boom that's happening right now. first are individuals who during 2020, had it been a normal year, would have quit anyway, so kind of a backlog of resignation of individuals who decided to quit. another group of individuals have reached high levels of burnout during the pandemic. we know that's a predictor of people quitting their jobs. individuals who need a break and are burned out are quitting. there's a large group of individuals who have had epiphanies during the pandemic and want to change the place that work is in their lives. so they're making these big pivots. and then finally a gruj of individuals who had their work change during the pandemic often in terms of bringing them at home to work and enjoy working from home or remotely and don't want to shift back to whatever work arrangement their organization has. so this is what makes it kind of challenging for organizations to get their arms around are these different causes of the great resignation. >> yeah, and what do you do about it? how do you adjust your, i don't know, corporate culture to work around this is the big question. the demographics of it, if that's the right world, i'd love to dive into it if we could. there's a graphic on your screen showing that women are leaving the workforce and in the latest jobs report more than men are being added to the workplace. who is it in terms of who's quitting? men versus men, city versus rural, coast versus the middle of the country, income level? is it clear to you yet where the trends are in terms of who is quitting? >> yeah, those are great questions. what you point out, we do know that during the pandemic and in this great resignation as we hopefully exit the pandemic, especially women caregivers are leaving the workforce at a higher rate than others, which is especially troubling. beyond that, in terms of generation, in terms of parts of the country, we don't really have a great feel for this yet. and i think part of that challenge again comes from the split that i see between workers are individuals who weren't able to work remotely, so nonoffice workers, shift workers, and some of the highest resignation numbers we see is in retail and food service and health care. these individual who is didn't have the option to work from home. so you have the split between people who were able to achieve more flexible work arrangements during the pandemic and then those who were really serving us during the pandemic and unable to get a break. i think that's where we see a lot of resignations right now. >> really interesting. you talk about obviously the pandemic has played a part in this. two reasons that people have thrown out as a possible reason behind some of this exodus that we're seeing is people are quitting over vaccine mandates that their companies are putting into place, or people are slow to return to work because of enhanced unemployment ben if i wants out there. are you seeing that? >> so, the few cases where companies have disclosed their numbers around vaccine mandates have shown that a pretty small percentage of individuals actually end up leaving when a vaccine mandate gets put in place. i'm sure that's a part of it but maybe overstated a bit. and so i haven't seen that as much. >> really interesting. i guess it's also important for us to say that for all the people who can quit and reassess and look for more fulfilling work if that's what they are looking for, there are just as many people or many more who have little savings, no partner to support them and prop them up, and have no option to quit because they're just trying to make ends meet. i'm wondering how that fits into this massive shift. >> yeah. i'm glad you brought that up. whenever we talk about the ability to quit your job, there's a certain amount of privilege that comes into that from an economic perspective or some other perspective that you're able to walk away and realize there's still lots of employees who were laid off during the pandemic that are trying to get back in the workforce and are struggling to do so. so this does seem to be a very uneven trend to some extent where people are exercising their ability to quit their jobs in some cases and others trying to get back into the workforce and struggling to do that. and i think a big question is what are these individuals who are quitting, do they have the ability to quit long term or are they just taking a break from the workforce due to burn oupt or whatever it may be and plan to reenter at some point in the future? 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