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catastrophe. >> an ecological catastrophe while dead birds and fish float up. the senator mitch mcconnell is playing games with a loaded gun here. covid on the horizon. >> we're certainly turning the corner on this particular surge. i'm pamela brown in washington. you are live in the cnn newsroom on this sunday. it's great to have you along with us. we begin tonight with breaking news. they call it the pandora papers, and tonight the box is open. a huge trove of private financial documents revealing how the rich and powerful keep billions of dollars beyond the reach of taxes, creditors' accoun accountability. approximately 1.59 million records were obtained from the con sorsortium of the investiga post and news worldwide. they are listed on forbes for billionaires and over 900 territories. quote, the papers allow for the most comprehensive accounting to date of a parallel financial universe whose corrosive effects can span generations, draining significant sums from government treasuries, worsening wealth disparities, and shielding the riches of those who cheat steal while impeding authorities and victims in their efforts to find or recover hidden assets. here to talk to us is correspondent greg miller. he joins us from washington. we want to note off the top that cnn has not done their own analysis of the legalities here and using these financial instruments could be legal depending how and when they're used. greg, thank you for coming on the show to walk us through this reporting. set the table for us. the number of documents is eye-popping. help under the circumstances understand what are the pandora papers and what do they reveal about how this parallel world of offshore accounts work? >> so you hit on the number, 11.9 million records here, and that helps perhaps your viewers to understand why it took a year to go through these documents and figure out what was there. what they boil down to, though, are e-mails, spreadsheets, contracts, secret ledgers. these are the private communications in many cases between elite, wealthy individuals and their financial managers and the offshore companies that set them up with shell companies and trusts to help them hide their money. so we're actually looking at documents that take us right inside their plans, their transactions, and where it goes. >> so i know you've consulted a number of experts. are these offshore accounts legal that you analyzed? >> yeah. i mean, it depends. so these companies that offer shell companies and so forth, they reside in jurisdictions where they are abiding by the laws of, say, the british virgin islands or cypress or other places around the world, and you're right, to point out that there is not anything necessarily illegal about that. but it does create a lot of problems. it leads to tax evasion. these offshore systems are often exploited by criminals to hide ill-gotten gains, corrupt politicians and just -- as you put it at the top of the show, just the very, very wealthy moving money and hiding money in ways that the rest of us simply can't or don't tend to do. >> greg, as you noted in the article in the wake of the pandora papers and the scrutiny that came from that is this practice is ongoing from some of the people you mentioned. one of them is russian leader vladimir putin. there is this headline in your piece. secret money, swanky real estate and a monte carlo mystery. >> this is an interesting story, and it has to do with a woman from st. petersburg who is alleged to have a secret relationship with vladimir putin in the early 2000s. in fact, to have had a child who was possibly fathered by vladimir putin and who had a very humbled background. no money in the family, no particular evidence of family means for her, but has become astonishingly wealthy ever since this relationship began. what we found in the documents was evidence of a multi-million-dollar apartment that she acquired in monaco on the mediterranean just within -- a shell company was set up literally almost exactly a month after her child was born. we were able to trace this to a financial firm in monaco that has done work with other putin insiders, and so this is a case of how the russian financial system works, how those who are close to president putin can accumulate significant wealth, and how they go about hiding it through shell companies to try to ensure that the public is never made aware of it. >> and what is the kremlin saying about this reporting? >> we gave the kremlin ample notice, more than a week's notice that these stories were coming, sent numerous e-mails seeking comment from the spokesperson for the kremlin, and we have yet to get a single response or even an acknowledgment. >> another prominent figure in your article is a headline about king abdul ii of jordan. while his country struggles, the king of jordan splurges. walk me through what you found there. >> to me this is one of the most important findings in the trove. king abdullah is an important ally of the united states. jordan gets billions of dollars from the united states and other western governments, and while jordan has been collecting this money, its ruler, king abdullah, has been secretly purchasing lavish luxury apartments in the united states. the documents allowed us to identify three cliffside compounds in malibu that he purchased through shell companies, using shell companies to hide these transactions for roughly $70 million over a three-year stretch. we found properties in london, properties in georgetown, the georgetown section of washington, d.c. he has been on a decade-long splurge in spending on lavish real estate at a time when his country and its economy have gone downhill. there is significant unemployment in jordan, wages have stagnated there. it's a remarkable story because it gives us direct insight into what the monarch has been doing with his money while the kingdom he rules has struggled. >> we just want to note the law firm representing king abdullah told the post in your article, any implication that there is something improper about abdullah's ownership of property and companies in offshore jurisdictions is categorically denied. greg miller, thank you so much. we want to again note cnn has not done its own analysis of legalities here. cnn is reaching out to the kremlin and representatives for the king of jordan for comment. also according to the "washington post" quote, offshore financial firms that responded to the icij's and the post's request for comment issued statements asserting their compliance with legal mandates but declining to answer questions about their clients. and now to southern california where we have just learned the ntsb is sending investigators to the site of a major oil spill in the pacific ocean. the leak is about three miles right off the coast of huntington beach. sadly, the impact on wildlife is already visible there. oil has started to wash ashore along with dead fish and birds. cnn national correspondent natasha chen is live at huntington beach, so, natasha, what do we know about how the leak started? >> reporter: pamela, we don't know a whole lot about how this happened or even exactly what time this happened. because people started -- people have said that they started smelling things perhaps late friday. officials today told us they got their first report of it to them saturday morning. so this has been going on for at least a day or two now with people in the area smelling something not quite right, and people on the beach actually getting tar balls and oil stuck to their skin right now as they are walking along the shoreline, which officials advise people not to do. so it's getting stuck to the bottom of their feet. very hard to clean off. right now there are some divers in place going underwater right now to investigate what might have caused this leak. as you mentioned the ntsb is also sending investigators out. unfortunately officials refuse to say how long the cleanup might take, so this could be a prolonged effort here. what we've seen so far is there are ships dragging a boom along the coastline to try and drag some of that oil and gather it. and there will be a lot of volunteer and nonprofit groups working together for this as well. here is the president and ceo of the company responsible, amplify energy. martin wilshire, he talked at a press conference this afternoon. >> we currently have divers on location at the potential source site. we are investigating the source and potential cause of this incident. like i said, we will continue to work with unified command to ensure that this recovery effort can conclude as quickly as possible. let me just say also, our employees live and work in these communities, and we're all deeply impacted and concerned about the impact on not just the environment, but the fish and wh wildlife as well. >> reporter: i've talked to local residents here who had to spend a lot of time washing their feet behind us, and they tell us they are deeply upset about this. it's not just that they're upset of the environmental impact and seeing the wildlife wash up, but now orange county public health said they will issue an advisory this afternoon, especially cautioning people with respiratory illness, vulnerable populations like the elderly, like children. some of the products from this spill couould evaporate and sprd from the ocean in their mouth and eyes. they also caution folks not to touch anything they see with oil on it, instead to call a special hotline, pamela. >> natasha chen, thank you. up next, oare progressive democrats ready to own it if biden's signature spending plan goes down in flames? 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his build back better package. progressive's proposed $3.5 trillion over ten years. but senate moderate joe manchin, one of two key holdouts, wants to trim 2 trillion from that top line. this morning the chair of the progressive caucus flatly rejected his proposal. >> so if we're not looking at numbers, what about 1.5, like what senator manchin -- >> that's not going to happen. >> why won't it add up? >> because that's too small to get our priorities in. it's going to be somewhere between 1.5 and 3.5, and i think the white house is working on that right now. >> i'm joined now by democratic congressman dan kildee of michigan. he's a member of the progressive caucus. thanks for come on, congressman. are republicans willing to own it if president biden's agenda fails because they continue to hold the line here? >> i don't think that will happen, first of all. we obviously are going to take responsibility for everything we're doing, but as congresswoman jayapal said, we're in a negotiation. we passed through the committees of the house of representatives 3.5 trillion. senator manchin says 1.5 trillion is the only thing he would guarantee. so we're negotiating between those two positions. the more important aspect of the dollar amount is what we can accomplish with the money. as long as we can address the climate, if we can support families, especially families with children, if we can deal with the high cost of health care in a meaningful way, the numbers are less of a question than those aspects. again, as congresswoman jayapal said, we want to make sure this is significant, that we are taking a big step toward an agenda that the president himself laid out. the hope is the negotiations continue. and i will say one more thing. this is what democracy looks like. it's not people storming the capitol, it's not name calling, it's not trying to stop an election, it's people with different points of view arguing both publicly and privately about those points of view toward a common goal. so it's not a matter of dysfu dysfunction, this is how democracy functions. it's not always pretty but this is what it looks like. >> we'll see the end result after all this, but you point out it's not just the number, it's the programs you have to look at and see what to do. that raises the question, what are you willing to cut? what are you willing to limit? what's on the chopping block as you figure out a compromise? >> well, i don't want to negotiate in front of the president. he's going to help frame that for us. but i think so long as we make big progress in these three major areas, support for families, health care and, of course, finally getting around to addressing the climate issues that we face as a world, as a society, if we make substantial progress, then the specific pieces, while they're important, are not as critical as the fact that we're making big progress in all of those three major categories. i'm not going to suggest one or the other to be tossed out except to say there may be a change in terms of the scale, the time frame. we're open to conversation so long as we have negotiating partners that are willing to do the same. >> do you have a clear understanding of what senators manchin and sinema are willing to pare down? >> senator manchin did sort of pencil out a framework with senator schumer a few months ago. that's something we've just seen. i don't know that senator sinema has laid forth her priorities. i'm open to them. we all are. i haven't seen them. and i think that's really the issue. it's one thing to be able to articulate that we don't like the top line. i totally get that. i understand. but it's easier to say what one is against than what one is for. what we need to get to now are what will these two senators and the other 48 that are required, what are they willing to say yes to, not what are they going to say no to. i think as soon as we get to that, the president is the one who can get us to that point in the conversation. now we'll be able to move forward. >> let's talk about the president. he is clearly getting more involved. he's heading to your state on tuesday to rally the public around these two sweeping bills. do you wish he was out there pushing them earlier? >> well, he did make a decision to let the house and the senate try to work out these differences, and i think he's come in at the right time. there is no hourglass that is going to be smashed in the next, you know, several days. the time frames that we are dealing with are time frames that we ourselves have put forward. other than keeping the government open and the debt ceiling, we ought to get this right, not get it fast. i talked to the president a couple times last week. i'm going to see him this week. i've encouraged them to become more involved. i know lots of other people have, too, it's not just me. it's making a difference. he came and met with us the other day. i know a lot of folks would have preferred that he laid out his deal. but that's not how this is going to unfold. i think he's doing a good job. he's coming in at the right moment to bring us together, and i think over the next many days, he'll be able to bring this to a close. that's his role. that's his role. this is his agenda. he's written most of this himself. >> this morning on fox, the number 3 republican in the senate said this about the h house holding up the bipartisan infrastructure bill which already went to the senate. >> i thought joe manchin went to the hill on friday to try to get that bipartisan infrastructure bill passed, but instead he surrendered to the radical wing of his party. >> on friday we heard a pretty similar attack from a democrat, congressman josh gottheimer saying, quote, we cannot let this on the left destroy the president's agenda and stop the creation of two million jobs a year. what is your response? >> we're going to pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill. we all support it. it's bipartisan in the senate, it's not so bipartisan in the house, but all democrats in the house support it, and we're going to pass it. and i understand congressman gottheimer's concern. i'm a little more critical of those who o'popposed it for fou years but never produced any legislation. we produced legislation. we're trying to get this aspect done so we can do this build back better agenda together. we're a lot closer to success than the miserable failure where the republicans couldn't produce a single piece of legislation to deal with the infrastructure. i think we're getting there. we're going to get it right. it's more important that we get it right than we get it on a tuesday instead of a friday. >> congressman dan kildee, we'll leave it there. thank you for your time tonight. >> you bet. thank you. be sure to stay with us this next hour. i'll speak to a democrat, congressman tom swazee, about what he's looking for and if he thinks america can come together. dr. fauci thinks thewe are turning 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hospitalizations. the united states is still avera averaging 3,000 deaths a day, which is still too many. but there is the introduction of a new pill that may reduce dangerous sickness and death by 75%. >> the results are really quite impressive. as you mentioned, it decreases the likelihood of getting hospitalization and dying in people who, early in the course of their infection, take this particular medication. in addition, there is another part of that study that is really impressive. among the deaths in the study, there were eight deaths among the placebo group and no deaths among those who took the medication. that's very impressive. so we really look forward to the implementation of this and to its effect on people who are infected. >> let's break this all down and bring in dr. peter hotez, professor and dean of tropical medicine at baylor college of medicine. he is also the author of "preventing the next pandemic: vaccine diplomacy in a time of science." dr. hotez, this is your chance to kick off this new drug, nopremavir. >> thank you to be having me. i do have to point out confidence 75 randomized patients who got the placebo or the pill. i think for me the most impressive part is what dr. fauci pointed out, there were eight deaths in the treated group, but it's still a relatively small study. i think merck and company will apply for emergency use authorization. the thing about that that gets me equally excited, though, is the fact it makes sense, unlike hydroxychloroquine where it's unreasonable to think that would cause any impact. this is an anti-viral drug against influenza and to target mrna viruses, like the coronavirus and the sars-2 virus. when you put it all together, it looks pretty promising for individuals who have either breakthrough infection or for some reason didn't get vaccinated. it will have some impact at mitigating the disease. but it's important to point out this is not a substitute for getting vaccinated. this is not near as effective for getting vaccinated to prevent you from getting ill in the first place. what i worry about is people will think they're off the hook now for getting vaccinated, and this could be ivermectin 2.0, and we don't want that to happen. >> no, we certainly don't. do you agree with dr. fauci that we have turned the corner on this particular surge? >> yes, but with an asterisk. the asterisk is if you remember this time last year, we were also turning the corner on the second wave across the south in the summer, and then we saw another surge happen in the south in the summer, but then we saw the worst of all, that terrible fall surge that began around halloween and then really accelerated into the winter months. so there are signs of trouble. we're seeing a lot of hospitalizations up in northern minnesota, wisconsin, across into north dakota just like we did last fall. remember, we still only have 56% of the u.s. population fully vaccinated, so there is a lot of warm water for this hurricane to passover in terms of unvaccinated individuals, and that's what worries me, that we still have to really push hard to get the rest of the country vaccinated. >> i interviewed dr. scott gottlieb, the former fda commissioner last weekend, and he projected that by thanksgiving we would be through the worst of the delta variant. do you agree with that, and do you think that once we get through the delta variant that that's going to be the worst we see, the worst variant we see, and that it's going to get better from there with the assumption that you have a certain amount of people vac nat vaccinated in the country and a certain number infected. >> nobody would be happier than i would be if dr. gottlieb is right, but i'm not as confident. and here's why. i see the glass as half empty that we only have half the country still unvaccinated. there are still a lot of unvaccinated individuals. i'm watching what's happening in the northern border of the country around canada, and i am worried about another big, big fall surge. i think there is just too many people unvaccinated in this country to feel at all comfortable. so now is to push -- >> previous infections helping with this? i've heard it said, you can't ignore the people with previous infections. how does that factor in? >> if you look at people with previous infection, some have strong, durable immunity, but some do not. if you look at the neutralizing antibodies among those infected and recovered, some look really great. others barely respond at all and are highly susceptible to infections. you also get something where you're really resilient for the variant. if you're recovered, you don't really know if you're protected against the delta surge, and getting vaccinated will certainly guarantee that. >> just to simplify that even more, how do you compare vaccine immunity to previous infection immunity? >> i think being vaccinated is a much safer bet because we know that people who receive two doses of either the mrna vaccines now up to three doses will have really high levels of antibody where you're protected. where if you're infected and covered, like i say, it's a roll of the dice. some seem to have durable immunity, others don't, and we don't have any bio markers or any blood tests to know where you fall, but you're taking a really high risk of knowing where you stand and if you've been infected and recovered. let's face it, most people don't know if they've been infected or not and nobody really knows for certain. >> all right, dr. peter hotez, always great to have you on. thank you for your perspective and analysis on this. >> thank you. and when we come back, kate bennett joins me with the five things revealed about melania trump in her former chief of staff's new book. stay with us. we are the next. the next generation of visionaries. rule breakers. game changers. and world beaters. we certainly aren't here to do what's been done before. and neither are we. at palo alto networks, we 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>> no, partly because i covered it, but some of the things she reveals are interesting. one of the things she talks about is melania trump and a lot about her husband donald trump is that she read all of her press. a lot of people think she didn't care, was aloof, but she was obsessively going through anything. she had a google alert set up about her. it was really just grisham and then it was melania herself, and that's really it. another thing the book talks about which is interesting is that besides her secret service name, which was muse, she also earned another nickname, approximate rapunzel. and that's because she never really left the residence. grisham said she only saw melania trump in her east wing office a handful of times in all the years she was there, and the secret service dubbed her rapunzel, because whenever she would come down from her tower, that would be an event. i know from covering her, she didn't do a lot of travel, she didn't do a lot of events. when she did they were typically brief. so, you know, i understand that she was by design, by her own choosing, a very private and a very sort of to herself sort of first lady, a little bit apathetic, too, towards the end of her tenure. another thing this book reveals is the frosty relationship with avanka trump, and she secretly called ivanka the princess. there may have been a little jealousy between the two women. melania trump liked to be front and center. she served on a number of different topics from international affairs to stuff going on at home, and melania wasn't comfortable with that. there were times melania had to assert herself and say, not so fast, ivanka, this is my turf. another thing that's interesting in the book is melania trump was angry about the alleged fairs t -- affairs donald trump had. we remember, of course, because we covered it, stormy and others. grisham writes when melania trump turned up at state of the union with a hand some military aide on her arm that grisham and another aide had gone shopping in the military aide office for a good-looking, young, uniformed military aide per melania's instructions. she knew her visual cues, but she also knew how to sort of stick it to her husband. the separate motorcades, not wanting to do a walk across the lawn after the monica lewinsky scandal. those emboldened the first lady and made her more independent from her husband. >> i remember we were asking, what is she doing, what are these signals she's sending? thank you for a preview of the book. that's interesting. he spent decades courting women, and now they're investigating women and prison. the decades of women who brought him down, next. ra p it is still several months until r. kelly learns if he'll spend his life in prison. the three-time grammy winner is convicted on several sex trafficking and racketeering charges. federal prosecutors convincing the jury this past week that he ran a criminal enterprise that lured women and underage girls to hem for sexual purposes. his sentencing is set for a date next spring. cnn's sonja mogi is with me from new york. a fascinating piece from you this weekend and focusing on the dozens of women that helped that jury find r.kelly guilty. could prosecutors have done it without them? >> absolutely not. look. pam, you know, there were women that came forward and testified, organized protests. the mute r.kelly movement. the women that put together surviving r.kelly sharing the stories so there's so many different women involved in bringing this conviction out against r.kelly including the a all-female prosecution team. people said without these women victims of abuse coming out none of this would have happened and traumatic to get on the witness stand to face their abuser. a woman talked about how she had to testify against him and difficult to even recognize that she was abused in the first place. she testified as jane. and she had been defending r.kelly right after the arrest in court. she had sat next to him in interviews before the arrest. took her months after the arrest to finally realize she was abused. here's what she told cbs. >> it kind of made me wake up in a sense and realize why am i acting like this and putting myself through this misery? why am i xlexploiting myself foa man having me in this position in the first place and i had to realize that it wasn't love. you know? love doesn't hurt. you know? >> a reason why it's so hard for these women to walk away from kelly and realize they were abused because he used pages from the predator's handbook. he would cut them off from their families, monitor who they spoke to, what they said and have them write letters making false confessions or humiliating videos to hold over them as a threat to remain silent about anything they had seen or experienced. >> that is what you see in sex trafficking cases where the predator makes the victim feel like they are the ones that are guilty why they are the ones that put themselves in that position. it is good to see all of this brought to light. thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. southern california today thousands of gallons of oil leaking leaking into the ocean. a california state assembly member joins us next with more details. you are in the cnn newsroom. tonight, i'll be eating a buffalo chicken panini with extra hot sauce. tonight, i'll be eating salmon sushi with a japanese jiggly cheesecake. 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