story in huntington beach. this leak has not yet been stopped. what can you tell us? >> reporter: yeah, jim. at the press conference the mayor of huntington beach was just giving, she said there's been no confirmation yet that the leak has been stopped. this is a leak that is coming from the pipeline connecting the platform to the shore. and so there is a lot of concern right now not just for the animals, a lot of wildlife they're seeing washing up, birds and fish with oil on them, washing up. but also people. we're talking to people who have been on the beach today. they've got oil now on their skin, on the bottoms of their feet. and so officials are really telling people that's why the ocean, the shoreline is closed right now. do not go in the water. it's best to try and avoid contact with the oil completely. right now i asked just now at the press conference whether and how the responsible party is going to be held accountable. and the mayor said that's to be determined, of course. they're going to work on that. it's a little too early to say whether there will be any sort of criminal charges. you can see our drone shots right now over the area. this is a wide expanse. potentially 13 square miles. and we also captured some footage earlier of a couple of ships already trying to do some damage control here. those ships are dropping a boom trying to drag that up and down the shoreline collecting oil. and so work is already being done to try and contain this. meanwhile, we're told the responsible party is trying to fix this leak, to repair it right now. and we're told that the company is beta offshore. we will be learning more about how exactly this happened. it's still not entirely clear how long this has been leaking. because we're hearing from folks living in the area that they might have even smelled this friday evening. but officials just now at the press conference saying they definitely got reports of this saturday morning at 9:00 a.m. local time. this is unfolding as we speak. the city is trying to work with multiple partners right now and try and resolve this issue. jim. okay. natasha, thank you for that update. tom, if you're with us, give us an idea how big this is. >> reporter: well, at 9:00 a.m., just yesterday morning, the u.s. coast guard, jim, measured this oil sheen at 5.8 miles in length. now, this is not raw crude like we had with the bp disaster. this is a refined oil. they add chemicals to it. it is much less dense. that's how we use it as a consumer. it is just one platform, elly, they are a good 8.5 miles offshore. this gives you a better idea. notice the boxed area offshore. this is the beta field. it's in federal waters. you get closer to shore and it's state waters. sit owned by u.s. department of the interior. this land is a huge reservoir for crude oil and it is then leased to these companies, such as beta operating company. elly is the main platform that does the most processing. the other platforms, extract crude, give it to elly. elly criss-crosses and is more to the left. so somewhere along this line, we're not exactly sure where. we thought maybe five miles offshore. wherever it is, it started to leak. they put a temporary patch on it yesterday. divers have been in this morning to try to do more work on this. but the damage is already done here. 3,000 barrels equates to 126,000 gallons. now, using 64 high-frequency radars, this weather model, actually ocean currents, tells you what a parcel of gas or oil or anything on the surface of the ocean, where it would flow. and basically it's a northwest to southeast flow, almost parallel to the land. now, we know already in huntington beach that we have this oil deposits. we are seeing them in newport now. that was something new that wasn't there yesterday. the fumes are overwhelming because of all the chemicals they put into this in their post-processing. if you look at the winds, and those who live in southern california and most coastlines, you have your onshore and offshore flow. so it in corporates some of the winds below the debris. it is 5.8 miles in length. but here's the concern. if it's still offshore by 2.8 miles, and we're already now seeing the deposits, what does that mean when the actual plume of oil reaches land? and with the onshore flows, we're going to see that. and then you have high tide. it happens twice. this is going to be above five feet. sunday evening, ten to 8:00 and quarter to 9:00 monday. so that will push that further into the coastline and on the sand. just as a reference, you have to go back -- you see 130,000 gallons. 126 is what we're currently looking at. 1969, that's the santa barbara oil leak. and that was, again, you're looking at 3 million gallons. that plume was a good 35 miles in length. so this one is much, much smaller. and it's a processed crude. one thing we learned from the bp oil leak is the crude can disperse. we watched that for days on end. they have ambassador in place right now. and, again, everyone is watching what's happening off the coast. again, it's a series of these oil platforms. but the main one, obviously, is elly. we just don't know where exactly that breach is on that pipeline. is it two miles offshore, five miles? we do know the platform itself, this compound, if you will, is a good 8.6 miles offshore. any way we look at it, it is sliding towards the coastline. it will expand in its length because it is less dense than raw crude, possibly even making its way as far south to laguna beach. terrible, terrible situation. >> it is a serious situation. i want to go back to natasha chen as we await the press conference from the coast guard. what are some of the unanswered questions at this point? this is not under control. the big question is how soon can they get it under control? having covered some of these things, sometimes they don't know the answer to that. >> reporter: that's right. i think that's one of the main issues that is unresolved right now. another question of course as time goes on and as they investigate this, how did this happen exactly? how did this happen? how soon can it be fixed? one of the questions i just asked the city officials, a lot of people of course now getting these oil blotches on the bottoms of their feet and on their skin. they are actually behind me at these little wash stations trying to get it off their skin. what are the potential harmful effects for people who come in contact with this oil. those are things that the public would definitely be interested in, especially as this cleanup effort continues over the next few days. as i mentioned, the ships are dragging a boom up and down the shore trying to collect the oil. the city said they put down 2,000 feet of boom. they are trying to do their best as well. the 1969 spill that tom just talked about really was a major event with the modern conservation, environmental efforts, this movement. and here in huntington beach they did a lot with the conserve ans conserveancy as well. they were talking about the decades of work that was done with multiple groups to protect the wildlife. and that's all been destroyed, she said, in about a day because of this, jim. >> we know californians do not stand for this sort of thing. we will keep tabs on this press conference we're expecting out in california any minute now. in the meantime, let's go to the search for brian laundrie. he has not been seen in three weeks since his fiancee's body was found. what's the latest in north port, florida? >> reporter: jim, we know the fbi scaled down their approach to a more targeted approach. as you mentioned, it was about three weeks ago brian laundrie's parents say they last heard or saw their son. they thought he was going to carlson reserve, not far from here. investigators and search crews were going through swampy and flooded out waters in the wetlands area to try to find him. we haven't seen much activity here in that area, at the laundrie family home. the fbi showed up to gather items to give to canine units out searching for them. and collecting items from brian laundrie to test and match for dna. so that's the amount of time we have seen the fbi coming out. and that has been their mission. but still no sign of him. just the last couple of days, we have received new video from the moab city police department body cam video from an august 12th investigation of brian laundrie and gabby petito. on social media they are this happy, loving, engaged couple that was going to travel across the country in this hashtag van life in order to be insta famous and see the world. then you saw gabby petito bleeding with police officers not to arrest her or brian laundrie. he was a bit more nonchalant and said the whole altercation was gabby's fault. he was taken away not to be arrested but to have separate time away from gabby petito and spend the night in a hotel. that incident is now under independent investigation because so many have questioned if those police officers responded in an appropriate manner. so that remains under investigation. that was august 12th. on september 11th, a month later, that's when gabby petito's family reported her missing. and that is the last that we know of this, the family said they believe brian laundrie has all the answers to their many questions. jim. >> all right. nadia romero, thank you so much. live now to the coast guard press conference on this big oil spill off the coast of california. residents there very concerned about what's happening. let's go and listen to what's happening. >> local dignitaries, the mayor of newport beach is here, as well as county supervisor -- i'm sorry. katrina foley. basically what we're going to do is we're going to have these unified commanders give a statement. the coast guard, federal coordinator will talk a little bit about operations. the lieutenant will address wildlife, environment and public volunteers. the local on-scene coordinator, ms. nicholson, will talk about beach closures and other local issues county wide. we also have dr. clayton chou to address any questions about public health. as i mentioned, the ceo of amplify energy, martin wilshire, is here as well. so after the brief comments, we'll go through and we'll have questions and answers. i'll facilitate that. and the person who answers the question will step forward to the mic and we will go from there. captain rebecca orr for coast guard los angeles. >> good afternoon. on scene coordinator with u.s. coast guard and los angeles long beach. i'll talk to you for just a couple minutes what we know about the oil spill that is occurring right now, what we're doing about it, and ask for your help. what we know is that yesterday morning there was a discharge of oil, heavy crude oil that took place. we assess about four and a half miles off the coast of huntington beach and newport beach. it's created a very large sheen. than sheen is approaching our pristine california beaches, which i know is very upsetting to the citizens here in southern california. we have been monitoring this sheen overnight and through the day today, as well as yesterday using both overflights as well as onshore monitoring to detect what the extent of this oiling is. and what we know is there's a good likelihood, if you haven't seen it already, that this oil is going to approach our beaches. and we would expect some of this oil, unfortunately, is going to land on our beaches in the huntington and newport areas. and that is a very dynamic situation. it's evolving as we speak, as we continue to get assessments. and we will keep you updated regularly as we get more information. we do have both on water and onshore operations ongoing right now. we have boats deployed that are recovering oil that is able to be recovered. and we have teams, shoreline assessment teams on the shore that are assessing where that oil is landing. we've also put protective strategies in place. we use something called boom that protects sensitive sites that are preidentified with this boom that will cause the oil to move in one direction where it can be collected and perhaps reduce the impact to the beach. but, again, very dynamic situation. a lot of assessment going on. i'm here with our members of the unified command. these are tried and true public safety professionals and first responders. we train on this on a regular basis. and there's extensive experience here in oil spill response. and we are all here together to do the best we can to minimize the impact of what is likely going to be a sustained response. we're going to ask for your help. you'll be hearing from several of our public safety officials today. we ask for your help with heeding the beach closures you will hear about. we will have for your help in terms of reporting oiled wildlife and where you see the oil in the water or see the oil coming on shore. we will share an email address with you as well as a phone number to our command post. thank you. >> good afternoon. my name is christian core bell, patrol lieutenant with california department of fish and wildlife, office of spill prevention and response. i'm here today assisting with the u.s. coast guard and the responsible party in managing this incident. my office has pollution response authority, and we are a public trustee for managing california's wildlife and habitat. and california's precious resources. at this time, we have scat teams out on the beaches surveying, assessing the beaches for any wildlife that may be impacted or oiled. what we're asking for from the public is your patience and your eyes. if you happen to see any wildlife or impacts to the beaches, don't attempt to touch the oil or captures the animals. please just call us. we have a reporting hotline, and i will share that hotline number with you. it is 1-877-823-6826. if you call that number report, we will get teams on that situation. i just want to ask for your patience, and you appreciate the community, the public assisting us in this response. natural resources for california is our top priority. >> and we will keep an eye on this disaster throughout the afternoon and evening. officials in california giving an assessment on the oil leak. officials are trying to get an assessment as to just how bad the situation is out there. we will keep on top of that and bring you the latest as it comes in. we want to turn to the debate over masks and schools. . >> my child was suffering after wearing his mask for so long. >> what kind of issues has he had? >> he had acne from not letting his skin breathe. >> has he had covid? . >> no. >> but he thats had acne? >> no. >> but if you had to choose -- >> no. >> comedy central star and daily show contributor jordan khleppe joins us next. and not only make new discoveries, but get there faster, with better outcomes. with app, cloud and anywhere workspace solutions, vmware helps companies navigate change-- 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in our clinical trials. here in the united states has led to this. more than 701,000 lives in this country now lost. and even though cases of deaths are trending downward, we have seen this movie before. more waves could be headed our way unless people take the awful death toll as a call to action. >> the number itself is staggering, you're absolutely correct. but hopefully that will then spur us to realize that we do have interventions in the form of a vaccine to prevent infection, to prevent severe disease, to prevent death. so when you see a number like this, i would hope people say we have a tool to not let that get any worse. >> as it stands, only 65% of eligible americans are fully vaccinated. the correlation between vaccination rates and the impact of covid now painfully clear. take a look at the two most vaccinated states, vermont and connecticut. compared to the least vaccinated states, wyoming and west virginia. here's how they faired since june when vaccines became widely available. the lower the vaccination, the higher the covid death toll. some are putting policies where the science is. california is going further. it will require students be vaccinated as soon as their age group receives full fda approval. the fierce debate over covid protocols inspired "the daily show" jordan klepper to hit the roads and ask people why they are so against masks in classrooms. here's some of what he found. >> my child was suffering after wearing his mask for as long. . >> what kind of issues has he had? . >> he's had acne on his face from the mask covering and not letting his skin breathe >> has he had covid? >> no. >> but he has had acne? >> yes. >> so if you had to choose? >> no. >> what's wrong with having children wear masks in school? >> you're breathing in the toxins your body is trying to get rid of? . >> how do surgeons do it? >> that is a good question. >> new studies by duke university showing them being helpful in a school situation. >> i challenge anyone to have somebody wear it and then smell it. >> so there is the smell test. . >> are they just being the diagnosis on paper? i've walked through the hospitals. i've videotaped inside the hospitals. and guess what, it's not full of covid patients. . >> now i'm worried about covid procedures at north carolina hospitals. >> i don't co-parent with the government. . >> don't get pregnant in texas. >> there we go. >> don't get pregnant anywhere. >> do your kids go to private school? >> public school. >> isn't that co-parenting with the government. >> no, it isn't. you know why, we have a board of education. we elect who our officials are. we get to have a voice >> so you work with the government. . >> we do. . >> in parenting decisions. >> yeah. >> we could keep doing this all afternoon. but i won't. joining me now is the mean who has seen and heard just about everything, jordan klepper. jordan, i feel your pain. my brain hurts just watching some of what you just showed us a few moments ago. i think you might have broken a few brains with the power of the follow-up question, which is an art form, i have to say. my hat is off to you. do you feel all of these anti-maskers were dug into their views no matter what, or did you find a case where somebody had a light bulb moment and you convinced them, okay, maybe i need to take a second look at this? >> at that specific rally, there was no light bulb moment. everybody was pretty much was dug in. there's valid concerns people have about what this will do to children. children with disabilities, who maybe can't communicate as well with a mask on. but, sadly, those conversations weren't happening because they were stuck in this grievance gumbo. we were talking not only about masks smelling but critical race theory got thrown in there. and it just became this giant mess. it was difficult to get through and talk about ways in which you can get what everybody wants, which is essentially schools open and kids healthy. . >> yeah. i find when i'm at trump rallies you ask one question and you uncorked a bottle of grievances that may not even be connected to the original question. and i find that to be the case when you're out there talking to a lot of these folks. what are some of these wild arguments that you are hearing from some of these anti-maskers, anti-vaxers that you run into? >> some of this is by design. that event that i was at, madison cawthorn came in. it wasn't his district, but he came in and talked about critical race theory, trans athletes coming over and taking female sports in high schools. it got far away from taking care of the kids. that particular rally i was at, everybody had their own theories. a new one that i heard was specifically that satanists stand six feet apart. if you see people taking precautions where they are six feet apart, that is a cue of 666 and not just people responsibly standing in a line at best buy. >> that is the painful part of this, how to argue it. it is not just the issue of masks. you have been talking to anti-vaccine protesters. i have caught some of the pieces. they are just incredible. and in new york of all places. let's take a look at one clip. >> actually, some people have died from the vaccine. don't believe me. go to the media. go to the google or -- >> some people have died from covid. >> yes. >> so many more than the vaccine. >> one thing with me, i try not to argue facts. >> you're from pennsylvania. >> yes. because we know it's coming to pennsylvania. how important is it to think ahead to protect something before it gets out of control? >> it's everything. it's everything. because once it's gone out of real, you don't reel it in. >> that is why it is important to get a vaccine, squash it. >> that's why what? >> it is important we take a vaccine. >> that side are you on? are you nuts? . >> you threw her off there for a second. at least you may have connected for a moment. what's that? >> logic has a way of doing that sometimes. >> it does. does it ever shock you people are more afraid of a shot that will save lives than they are of dying from this virus? i suppose you're hearing about the mono colonial antibody tests? why do you think that is? >> it used to be shocking. it is not about general health or vaccine. it falls down to tribalism. folks aren't refusing to wear masks because they have read the science. even though they have some laminated from a quick google search. they are doing it politically on the side they are on. they would rather be right. it is a disconnect from some of the people i talked to from the realities of that situation. the reality of that situation can be seen in icus and as other people are passing away. off times it feels like it is being played like a game and not being played like what you said on this show. we have 700,000 people passing away. we're not talking about that. we are talking about my side winning. and my side happens to be not taking a vaccine. >> right. that's the thing i wonder about. it doesn't matter, i think for some folks, how many deaths we have or how many vaccines are fda-approved. they are just hell bent on being on their side of history, even if it's not the right side of history. jordan, i want to ask you about being outside the capitol on january 6th, because you were there. you were talking to people in the crowd before the building was breached. and it's remarkable how adamant those trump supporters were that joe biden did not win the election. let's take a look at that as well. >> will you accept joe biden as president of the united states on the 20th? >> no, i will not accept him. no, i will not. >> look, i educated myself about this. i don't know all what's in the constitution. >> have you read it? it is pretty short. it is? >> it is remarkably short. i doubt it but okay. >> people diknow the anyone onsystem voted for joe biden. the dominion system. >> do you think it's possible that a president who never pulled above 50% lost the election is sore about it? . >> no. >> absolutely not. >> you know, jordan, i'm old enough to remember when people would say, you shouldn't talk to the folks at the trump rallies. why do you do that sort of thing? what i find to be so remarkably important about what you do, jordan, you do take the time to talk to these folks, to hear what they have to say. it's just so vitally important when you look at this video that you captured before the insurrection at the capitol. it's just amazing to be on the front end of that. i mean, what do you think looking back on that experience? >> that was a harrowing day, as we all know. but not surprising. you know, we even planned our day around knowing the tragic patterns of people listening to donald trump speak and then heading over to the capitol. with we had to be specific when we interviewed people because sometimes people see us and they aren't too happy to see us. we were there when people breached the outer gates because we knew that's where people were heading. there were people waving pitch forks. a man got interrupted by another man who was yelling. and the pitchfork guy wanted to be separate from that guy because he got outchaosed by another man. so you are talking to a man with a fitchfork, and he is taking the higher grouped, you know you're in for some stuff that day. >> absolutely. and you have security when you do this thing, which is vitally important. jordan you did a whole into the maga verse special. what do you think is next with the movement, especially for trump? he is making it, i mean, almost official that he is running again in 2024. we know he likes to tease things out for attention. he can't handle not being the center of attention and so on. but where do you see this movement heading? >> well, i mean, i think this movement is based around the latest grievance. on one end, there is talk of civil war and succession. the next grievance is you can't wear open-toed shoes in a chipotle, that will be treated as the greatest stomping on liberty. >> you are worried about a civil war in this country. it sounds like you're worried about that actually occurring? >> well, i don't like the dialogue around that. i think what is difficult about it is we have a lot of people getting information from their own little pockets. then they bring it to a place and refuse to engage in actual conversation. i hate that's what i'm hearing out there. at least i'm hearing discussion. i hear people in congress who ta you can about bloodshed. >> right. >> dear lord, we don't want that to happen. but i think we will need some sanity brought back to these rallies and these places so we don't get to a place we can't get back from. >> well, jordan klepper, we appreciate you bringing sanity to, i guess, these shoots that you go on and these folks you're trying to connect with. you're doing some amazing work out there. people might think, oh, this is all just a joke. it's comedy central. they're having a great 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>> i think they are profoundly false. >> reporter: why? >> well, because i don't think it's remotely like tobacco. social media apps, they're apps. people download on their phones. why do they do that? there has to be a reason a third of the population enjoys the apps. they like exchanges their views, their feelings. that's why we need to make sure that people are not being drawn towards bad experiences. that's why i gave you a good example earlier. in the past it is true there was more hate speech than there should have been. >> and one of the newest members of the cnn family, scott galloway, hosting a show on business and technology for cnn plus and co-host of podcast pivot. you previously called mark skw zuckerberg the most dangerous man in the world. you sort of got some backup on that. >> reporter: first off, thanks for your kind words, jim. four years ago, think about it, trump was voted out of office in a democratic process. with mark zuckerberg, we have an individual that controls the algorithms that amplify hate, make people more prone to conspiracy theory, traffic in making our dialogue or discourse more coarse. he could be with us 50 years because he can't be voted it of office. so i think mark zuckerberg is definitely the most dangerous person on the planet. the previous interview, a third of the world downloads the apps. a third smokes. a third who has surgery probably relies on opioids. that doesn't get around the damage this levees on the commonwealth. it is just extraordinary, jim. >> it really is. and i have to ask you about this. trump is asking a judge to force twitter to give his account back. it sounds a little bit like a little kid asking for her toys back i suppose after he got in trouble. his lawyers say this is twitter violating his first amendment rights. what do you think? >> reporter: well, i don't know. i think trump being banned was in the be best anti bullying campaign had some impact. we shut down this guy's m mega megaphone. my understanding of the first amendment is that it prohibits the government from censoring people. these are private companies. cnn censors people every day. we decide if that editing makes us want to tune in. have at it and good luck with that. but this feels like a desperate yell for relevance. twitter can censor whoever they want. . >> right. it is a private company. and he had a good run on it. i mean, you know, it was highly destructive for many, many years. when you incite an insurrection, there have to be consequences even if they don't come from congress. senator joe manchin, who was apprised by protesters who paddled out to his houseboat here in washington. let's take a look at that. >> senator manchin! you're constit-- your constitue here >> your constituents are here from west virginia. >> will you please come talk to us. what are you going to do for the poor in west virginia? >> we will work everything we can for opportunities. . >> we need to tax the rich >> well, i agree with that. >> i don't know if this is curb your enthusiasm or veep. it's one of those. it is a case in point that, you know, your constituents out there can still catch you in an embarrassing situation. to be out on a houseboat, you know, being asked about taxing the rich and so on. >> yeah. probably pushes down the prices or values of waterfront homes. it depends which side of the bed you wake up. are these two senators doing what they are supposed to do. democrats want them to be moderates. at the same time the way you defeed your enemy is atomize the democratic party. as opposed to us sticking together. i think they're in a tough spot. at the end of the day, it's hard not to imagine they are just sort oven joying or jonesing for the limelight oren joying being the swing votes here. i don't know, jim, you will forget more about this than i'm ever going to know. what are your thoughts on this? . >> my thoughts is that is a very nice looking boat that senator manchin has, and i'm not sure it's the best optics for this debate for him in dealing with the progressives. were you surprised biden has the chance for this ambitious social agenda, infrastructure, climate change initiatives, pre-k, higher taxes for the rich. yet it's not republicans. but it's democrats standing in the way. i mean, you know, the white house gets irritated by this conversation. but there are going to be consequences if they can't get this done. >> well, never underestimate the democratic party's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. and the thing about this spending bill, the one thing that really jumped out to me, if it does go through, we will reduce child poverty by 62%. you would like to think when americans are presented with an opportunity to reduce child poverty by two-thirds, you kind of wouldn't even question what's involved and maybe not even question the cost. i would like to think we will all join hands here and decide our children and reinvesting in people who haven't had an in krao else in wages in 30 years, it is time to level these people up. i'm hopeful this is how the sausage gets made. i'm hopeful we're going to come together. no doubt about it, democrats have to stop eating their own and eating their young and come together on this stuff. . >> all right. we'll wait to see if that happens. scott galloway, so much to talk about with you. so glad you're part of the cnn family now. you'll be asking the questions of great guests coming up soon. we appreciate your time. thank you so much. . >> thank you, jim. coming up next, republicans are powerless to build back better package. so the next big thing, what is that going to be? 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it sounds like maybe this is what he needs to do. i'm surprised they didn't do more of this already. >> very good point, jim. i think he's wise to go to michigan. what he wants is a platform. he wants to get to a microphone and talk about him all next week about what this plan involved. he does need to explain to the country. frankly, jim, i thought he would have a speech by now in which he put forward these things. they're so massive. he has to be in the middle of the negotiations. the democrats in the house with the negotiations by going up to the hill, going out to michigan, he sends a better message. >> right. april, by now, we have seen all the video of these protesters paddling up to senator joe manchin's large houseboat he keeps on the potomac river. they're urging him to pass the reconciliation bill in this video. later in the week, manchin made waves, pardon the pun, saying this. let's watch. >> i cannot accept our economy or basically our society moving towards an entitlement mentality, that you're entitled. i'm more into rewarding. >> april, what do you make of the language entitlement and so on? coming from somebody, you know, who is on a houseboat, you know, with his constituents. . >> you hit the nail squarely on the head again, jim. basically what's happening, this entitlement mentality, that strikes a nerve with many of those who are advocates and activists to help those less served. there are people who follow through the cracks. those people who paddle to his houseboat are trying to fight for those who manchin believes are entitled but others believe they are in need. so we've seen this before. we saw william barber take ministers and those in the community who were against joe manchin's and voting rights saying this is wrong, this is wrong. this is not where your standing, joe manchin. this seems to be the thing people are believing will make him move. now it is right in his face, paddling up to his houseboat, of all things. >> david, joe manchin has invited a lot of this media attention to himself. and i suppose he's been around washington long enough to know not all >> bob: positive when you do that for too long. but the president will be talking up this reconciliation bill this week. but, you know, it's already pretty popular. a pew poll finds 49% support it, 25% oppose it, shy of the infrastructure plans. the majority support, david, senior citizens probably like the fact that there is coverage for dental and vision care, expanded medicare coverage and that sort of thing. that i think would be pretty popular in west virginia. >> it would be pretty popular in west virginia. but it is trump country out there. it's not a walkaway. look, a lot is -- (inaudible). larger numbers on capitol hill. but the most obvious solution is to go through line by line, 2,500 pages in the reconciliation bill and figure out how to get the numbers down. that will be a nightmare. a long, divisive process. and different parts clash with each other and bloodletting to defend their program. that's the wrong way to go. these are 10-year programs. cut them back to five years. reduce it, the cost of the program. very importantly, if you do that, you can get these programs started with some funding. you know, we just learned the poverty of children can be reduced by the program. put those programs into place. go into the midterm elections and fight in the midterm elections to make it central, if you vote us back into office, because if you vote the republicans, they're going to come in and gut -- programs under way. >> april, what do you think? final thought from you. >> at the end of the day, think back to what joe biden and barack obama did. they passed a bill. remember the affordable care act, better known as obamacare. this president needs buy-in, more buy-in. he needs to be the explainer in chief. there's still segments of society that does not understand. and if you get more people who are in support of certain pieces, they can go in and talk to joe manchin. they can go in and talk to even mitch mcconnell, who is not necessarily for this and say we want this. this can be resolved faster. if there is a ground swell from the community. this president now has to be the explainer in chief to get what he wants and to get the democratic party back together on this issue. >> all right. we'll see. it's going to be a heavy lift, i think, for president biden and this white house to pull these sides together. it was almost getting personal by the end of the week. and i think it might have been a good idea to just call a time out when biden went up to the hill. see if things can cool down and then get back to the same page. david, april, thank you for joining us on this sunday afternoon. we appreciate it so much. >> thanks. . >> thank you, jim. >> "saturday night live" is back. the new season returned last night and premiered with a new president biden impersonation. >> how was everybody's summer? 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"snl" took on school board meetings that have become a haven for covid misinformation across the country. now, we know there have been a lot about the covid safety policy. so we opened the floor to the public. ma'am. >> hello, my name is janes smig. johnson & johnson and johnson, fauci okay, and pfizer's only part of it. but not on t-mobile because this. all of this. this is about israel. >> ma'am, ma'am. do you have a question about the school district's covid policy or your child safety? >> i don't have a child. and i don't live in this town. . >> all right. next. >> hi. i'm so mad i'm literally shaking right now. forget covid. the real threat is critical race theory being taught in our schools. my question is, what is it and why am i mad about it? >> hitting pretty close to home with cecily strong. she is a national treasure. a quick programming note. on an all new season of this is life, lisa ling explains historical events rarely found in history books. that is next sunday at 10:00 p.m. only on cnn. and we're back at it. you are live in the cnn "newsroom". i'm jim acosta in washington. breaking news at the top of this hour. an environmental catastrophe at this hour along the coast of california. thousands of barrels being spilled into the pacific ocean. and a stretch of the shoreline is littered with dead fish and birds.

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