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i really? i thought i knew who i was. but what happens if you discover that everything you thought you knew about yourself was a lie? what really happened to me? ? that's what i needed to find out. my mom was upstairs. my dad was at work. i was ten years old and i was snooping around the house looking for christmas presents, and i thought this is a great time to go in the crawl space, because i know it's a great place to hide presents. there was a bunch of boxes. i thought this is it, the big score, right? it's just like papers and things, it's not a present. open another one, bunch of cards, more letters, newspaper clippings. i'm like this isn't christmas. so i got -- i looked at one. it says something about search for kidnapped baby. another one, fronszac baby missing. i started reading it. it said kidnapped from the hospital. i saw a picture of my mom and dad. they looked sad and heart broken and distraught. i thought, wait, that's me. what happened? >> that year i was a student nurse at michael rees hospital in chicago. i was working on the maternity ward. we were downtown chicago and young, and i came from a small town, so it was fun. michael reese is on the south side of chicago, and it was a pretty large hospital. [ baby crying ] when i was in nurses training, the mother gave birth in the delivery room and she went to her room and the baby went immediately to the nursery. there was always babies coming and going. if the baby was ok, the next feeding time, the nursery room nurses brought the baby out to the mother, and then as students, we were there with the mother and the baby. dora was just like any mother, very excited. her baby wasn't with her yet when i first introduced myself to her and she'd already lost a baby, and so this baby was alive and well, and so she was kind of like had taken a deep breath, we made it and everything is great, and so she was very, very e excited. the nursery room nurse brought the baby in. i saw him just like this. he had a lot of hair and he smiled, probably was gas, but he did smile and look at her and she was joyous and, you know, i love babies, so i was, too. i was thrilled to be with her while she was seeing her baby for the first time after delivery. it was -- it was nice. he was a perfect baby. i had another patient on that unit. i was leaving the room to go see another patient, and as i was leaving, this woman walked in. she was dressed in white. i just thought she's a nurse. she said to mrs. fronszac the doctor's here to see your baby. she handed the baby over to her. i noticed that all the bakes were going in, that all the nursery room nurses were taking the babies in. the head nurse came up to me and said do you have the fronszac baby. i said no and then she said to me, well, then he's gone. i'm like gone where? and she said taken. and then she said i want you to go back in mrs. phenomenon zach room and stay with her all day. do not leave her side until the doctor comes to see her. i was trying to be talking joyfully with her about the baby and what was going to happen and like nothing happened. >> the hospital didn't call the police probably alone. they couldn't believe it themselves. by the time they -- we were notified, she had a pretty good lead on. at the time my wife was having twins, so i felt a little more involved in the case. one baby died, and i know it was hard for my wife, but she knows that she came home with one baby. lowe's showrooms have a variety of stylish flooring you'll love for years to come. like stainmaster lifetime stain resistance limited warranty. order now, get your flooring installed with help from lowe's. home to any budget. home to any possibility. i can make an indoorsy person, outdoorsy. i can turn anyone into a beach bum. i make memories for people i don't even know yet. i am a vrbo host. ♪ ♪ (vo) unconventional thinking means we see things differently, so you can focus on what matters most. that's how we've become the leader in 5g. #1 in customer satisfaction. and a partner who includes 5g in every plan, so you get it all. ♪ we believe everyone deserves to live better. and just being sustainable isn't enough. our future depends on regeneration. that's why we're working to not only protect our planet, but restore, renew, and replenish it. so we can all live better tomorrow. ♪ you know, a lot of people say, "when you're going somewhere, you don't want to look back." but i beg to differ. for her to see her father celebrate his graduation, it's the best feeling in the world. i can't lie and say it was easy. but sometimes you just have to stop everything and take it in. i look at everything in a different light. and i realize it started with me going back and getting my high school diploma. they had searched the whole hospital, thinking that maybe the woman was still in the hospital. and i think that's why it took so long before they came and told her. her doctor came in. and he said mrs. fronszac, your baby has been taken. and with those words, the whole room filled with policemen and fbi. one of the questions was when did she come in and she said she was coming in as mary was leaving. i can see her today as plain as i saw her back then, but when you're with an artist and they say what does their nose look like, and i was like what does her nose? she was about my height. she was white. she had brown hair that was shoulder length. she was thin. she had on a white uniform. >> this motivate d. >> michael reese is on the lake. there's an l there at the train station and an airport. she had every means of transportation to leave chicago within five minutes of taking the baby. >> this was premeditated as a part of this woman and the interview with the cab driver, he said she wanted to go to the area of 35th and hall, which is always 15 minutes from the hospital. she had a coat on. she got into another car and never seen again. >> mrs. phenomenon zach, as a woman and a mother, would you have any reason to think why she might have taken the baby? >> she must have been desperate for a baby that she would come and take somebody else's baby away from them. that she couldn't have her own or she lost hers or something. but even leaving the child, i don't think you're that desperate to take another woman's baby. >> i took care of her for several days and she cried a lot. her husband was there and it -- it was like -- it was like a funeral. the it was a funeral. there was crying and she was beside herself. she did a lot of praying. she was very catholic and he did, too. they prayed together a lot. many times he said it. >> do you have any message for the kidnapper? >> i just want to bleed with them to return the baby. feels pretty bad. >> did you spend the night with her in the hospital? >> yes. >> she extremely nervous at this point? >> yes. >> my darling dad, he was a chicago policeman and this case was assigned to him from the minute that michael reese hospital called the police to say that there was a missing baby. i didn't hear anything until very early the next morning when my dad, who had worked all night, came home and i heard him talking to my mom and she said, oh, jack, what is going on that you're so late? and he had to swallow, you know, to tell her this whole thing, that it happened and my mother was very moved by it. you can imagine as any mother would be, the heartbreak of somebody having their baby taken from them. >> the daily news was it at the time. they offered a $10,000 reward. that didn't bring any results. there were -- it didn't help. >> i think you couldn't not be moved just seeing their pictures and how dear mr. front stick was to his wife and always around her and always encouraging her. it was heartbreaking to see her facial expression. i don't know that i ever saw a smile on her face in any of the many articles i saw in the newspapers. >> you ought to make one more appeal. >> yes. we're appealing. we're asking any person who might have any information or proof of any information that could help, might be helpful, we're asking them to call the phillip. please call the fbi if you have any information that may be of help in finding our baby. >> myes, i'm still convinced. w, for one reason or another, inspire us. those influencers whom we've always followed, who teach us that who we are is our greatest inspiration, who are proud of where they come from and know exactly where they're going. people who inspire us to work for others—for our family and for our community. people just like you. at unilever, you inspire us to help drive change. ♪ singing and driving ♪ ♪ playing the drums ♪ ♪ what could be better ♪ ♪ taking a nap ♪ ♪ drive a friend home ♪ ♪ stop for a snack ♪ ♪ things you can't do ♪ ♪ using an app ♪ ♪ don't send emojis ♪ ♪ go hug your mom ♪ ♪ drive to the airport ♪ ♪ show him some love ♪ ♪ now grab a taco ♪ ♪ because it's late ♪ ♪ and tomorrow is ♪ ♪ a brand new day ♪ it's moving day. and while her friends are doing the heavy lifting, jess is busy moving her xfinity internet and tv services. it only takes about a minute. wait, a minute? 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(brad) apartments-dot-com! the most popular place to find a place. 2004-2005, spring and we actually met online on a dating website. i remember seeing his picture and thinking, i'm going to get a date with that guy. he's good looking, man, he is cute. he probably won't go out with me but i'm going toe get a date with this guy. >> what are you doing? >> on a christmas mission. our second one since 2007. >> he was sew down to earth. just like the guy next door. sweet, kind, caring. obviously got a lot of attention. he was into acting and modelling. seemed like he needed that steady jen win attention that i don't think he really got from his job or from family. something was missing. he was looking for something. he seemed like a little lost puppy sometimes. when we first met he didn't really talk a lot about his childhood. but once he got a little bit closer, he did share with me that he was kidnapped. i remember him telling the story. i thought ok. this is a little strange. almost like i didn't believe him at first. and the way that he just matter of fact told the story. oh, well, i was kidnapped and i was missing for a few years and the fbi found me and here i am today. and it was just like it wasn't a big deal. i think these restless because he goes from one job to another. it's almost like he'll kind of do something and get bored with it as though he was always in search for something. always looking for something. never really completely settled on what he had or what he was doing. i think that it kind of tapered off. once we got married and we were happy together and we were secure. he seemed at peace there for a while. he seemed -- he seemed filled. i thought this is fantastic, because this is like i'm happy. we're going to -- i'm going to be a hundred years old with this man. >> so he had michelle. >> a beautiful daughter. say bye. welcome to today at 1:44. >> she's about six and a half hours old. >> we had her in our hospital room and we never left that room for reasons i'm sure you understand. >> to see your child breathe and start their life right there, knowing that you helped create that child, it was amazing. that's my child. that would always be my child. it's an instants bond that never will change. >> beautiful. >> so once we had emma, the doctor asked me for my medical history. of course i've been asked a hundred times all through my life and i always spouted out the same answer. ok, mom, what are you doing? >> oh, right now i'm feeding emma. i am feeding emma. i really enjoy it. and we really love her. >> this time you ask me i'm looking at my child, i'm thinking, what if it's not true. it's coming from when i was 10 years old finding those clippings. could i be the child they found years later? that sounds like a fairy tale. then you start wondering. is this really true? am i really paul? so my parents loved me. i know they did and they raised me really well. it was two brothers and david had a certain easiness with them, a familiarity that i didn't have and i really feel in my heart that they knew david was theirs without question, but was i really their child. and if that's in the back of your mind, it's going to come out and -- it's going to come out. so in this picture i'm with the fbi agents who found me and honestly looking at this picture, it's kind of funny, because the fbi looks like they just -- that's it, we did it. you know. i think it's funny that my mom and i are both looking at the camera and my dad is looking down at me. maybe wondering, is this really my son? like stainmaster lifetime stain resistance limited warranty. order now, get your flooring installed with help from lowe's. home to any budget. home to any possibility. 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and i said yes. and then the guy took a beat and then he said there's no remote possibly that you're paul fronszac. chester and dora and are not your biological parents. i said ok, thank you very much. hung up. and then i just stopped breathing. i just sat there and it's like my life just flashed before my eyes. everything i thought i knew about myself just vanished. and you don't know anything about your life. >> i just rib he said oh, my gosh. i said how do you feel? he said i don't know what to think. i don't know what to feel, but he was upset but yet masking it, i could tell. he's like, i can't believe it. i'm not the real paul dfronszac. he says i don't know where i was born. i don't know who my parents are. i don't even know how old i am. it was like, wow. yeah. i think that's when it was so real. i was like hotel. i think that was when it hit me, too. i knew -- somehow i knew that day this is not -- this is not the end of this. i knew that he was not just going to leave it at that. i knew that he -- his personality, he needed to find out. he was going to start trying to dig into it and try to find out who am i . so after i got the news saying that i wasn't paul, i knew the only way to move this story forward would be to turn to the media, and there was only one guy i could think of in las vegas, and that was george knapp. >> hello and welcome to on the record. flying saucers, extra tres trals, monsters from out of space. the government has been telling us for years that they're not real. they're weather balloons or swamp gas or whatever. >> i'm not sure why he picked me but i'd been on the air in las vegas a long time. i've done some big stories there. i'm generally regarded as a trustworthy person. i keep my word. at the time he seemed wounded. he was still trying to get his head around it himself. he had just got the dna results. he was still trying to figure out what to do with it. he wanted to solve two mysteries. number one, what happened to biological paul and who was he? and the thing that hung over his head was what do i tell my parents? >> first, i am your son, aimed always will be. you and dad have been wonderful parents and have shaped me into the person i am today. i love you both and that will be forever. the dna test results came back and it turns out that i am not your biological son. i'm not the kidnapped baby you had stolen from your arms. i want to find out o if the real paul fronszac is still alive and what happened to him and i want to find out who i am and what happened to me. i hope you and dad will be with me on this and be a part of this process. thank you for all you've done for me in the past and for the rest of our future together. your loving son, paul. so they called me. i saw the number on my phone. i answered. i said hey mom. started screaming at me. how could you do this to us. we're not good enough for you. you don't like us as parents. you want to find other parents. i was trying to tell her that was never even a thought in my mind. i hear scuffling. my dad gets on the phone. he said "you're an ass hole." click. i was like what the -- it was like it -- the three of us were very angry at paul, and it made it really difficult to try to bridge that gap again for quite a while. i was all emotion at that point, and you know, i don't think it was fair looking back. he was going through a lot and i could have attempted to kind of have a deeper conversation with him about how we might manage all this stuff at once, but i just -- i just decided, you know, the heck with them. so after that phone call, we didn't speak for a couple years. i could not see their side. i couldn't see a down side of this. your child was kidnapped. it was never solved. i'm not your real son. i was a proxy. i was put in his place. now we know the truth. so how could you not want to learn the truth and move forward and, you know what, find your real son. wouldn't you want to know the truth? people are going to hate me, aren't they? he's a dick! well, we certainly had the conversation multiple times, be careful what you wish for, because you don't know where this leads. this is a dark beginning. paul is on a sidewalk, abandoned in new jersey. nobody came looking for him. not like some accidental thick they just left him at the bus stop. he was put there on purpose. michelle and i very rarely saw eye to eye on anything but this was definitely a hard no. she wanted me to just let it go. >> so we're going to go to weather and then -- >> i'm trying to explain to her, this is bigger than just my parents now. we now know that their son could be out there. and what kind of injustice would i be doing if i knew that and just ignored it? >> it's a case that began with the sensational kidnapping in the west but has spread to southern nevada on to the i-team. george knapp here with the story. >> you ever have the feeling you were switched at birth, because you couldn't possibly belong to your family. for paul fronszac it's more than a fuzzy people. tomorrow is supposed to be his birthday but he's recently learned he has no idea when he was born. the response to the first story we did was off the charts. phones ringing off the hook. there were inquiries from cnn, nbc, abc, everywhere. everybody wanted in on this story. >> it's a mystery once with believed solved. now the fbi is revisiting a half century old case. >> his name, his parents, his background. none of it was true. >> a bizarre mystery nearly 50 years in the making. the story was first reported by our las vegas -- >> it was like overnight, the whole country just erupted with this story. >> we're following this morning, a strange twist in a 50-year-old cold case. the fbi in 1964 -- >> i told paul, look, i got a feeling we're going to help you solve this. 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>> she told me the twins are upstairs. she says you don't have to bother with them. i didn't know that she had twins to begin with. and when she left, i went upstairs, because i couldn't understand how you could not take care of babies. when i walked into the room, you had -- your crib was here and joe's crib was here and that was all there was in that room. >> any toys. >> no, i didn't see any toys. and it smelled. the sheets on the bed were stained from urine. i walked over to your crib and you were birthy. you had a black eye. >> i had a black eye. >> you had a black eye, and you looked afraid. you looked afraid. like most babies, when you walk in a room, they get all excited. there's somebody coming, you know, they want the attention. you didn't do that. neither did jill. she was just sitting there watching. when i picked her up, she was so quiet. it was like she was resigned to the fact that this is how it is. >> well, did you stay with us all night in that room? >> yeah. and it appears didn't come home that night. they didn't come home until the next day. >> so they went out all night. >> yeah. >> that's crazy. >> yeah. and so when they came home, they were angry, very angry, your mother especially was really angry. >> because you actually helped us. >> yes. and she smelled like liquor, so i guess they were out partying. i don't know. your father didn't say much but he had a mean look on his face. after i left i went home and my mom told me that it's none of my business. so i didn't know what to do, so all my life i've wondered where you went and i really convinced myself at one point that maybe they took you to relatives, that maybe you had a good life, you know, and -- but i didn't know. i didn't know what to do. >> it's ok. it's -- my whole life i've always been searching for a different job, for a different gig, a different girlfriend. maybe all this started when i was taken apart from my twin sister. you have to keep searching for someone to fill that void. i think it's bad what happened to jill, because else why would give me away? 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