to the capitol. when he emerged after a meeting with house democrats, the message was take your time. >> i'm telling you, we're going to get this done. it doesn't matter when. it doesn't matter whether it's in six minutes, six days, or six weeks. we're going to get it done. >> now, standing with the president as you saw there, house speaker pelosi, whose message all week was proitd pretty much the opposite. that turns out to be wishful thinking on her part. the bottom line remains the same. getting it done for democrats and the president means satisfying progressive lawmakers who successfully blocked a vote on the infrastructure bill without alienating two sen stribt senators, joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, who have been pushing against the kind of sweeping legislation that the progressives and the president want. the president today did not bridge that gap. at least publicly. the question now, will members of his party use the time he apparently bought for some bridge building of their own? ing us now, congresswoman pramila jayapal, chair of the congressional progressive caucus. congresswoman, thanks for being back with us. you called this last night when you said this wasn't going to happen. what the the position of your caucus, the progressive caucus, right now in terms of what -- what happens now? >> well, anderson, thanks for having me on. our position is exactly the same as the president's which is we are going to get both these bills done. and we are going to send them to the president's desk, and it will take us a little bit of time to negotiate because what we are clear on is we're not doing one and leaving the other behind. the president reemphasized that today. and he also said to us, look, we got to get all 50 senators onboard. and so, we are doing the -- you know, the work we need to do to go back and look at our priorities, and make sure that we are really thinking through what we need to have in this bill. and how we can come to agreement. those -- that is the negotiating process and i'm thrilled that it is really happening. >> so, does a going through that seeing what you really need, does that mean $3.5 trillion is a number that's in play? i mean, is there a new number in play? >> i think we're going to have to get to a number that all 50 democrats and all -- in the senate -- and all of us in the house agree to. and um, it -- you know, 3.5 was our number. we are going to go back and see what we can do on that because we understand. we got to get everybody onboard. and actually, we've been saying that for some time. we just need to have this negotiation. we need to have an offer from the two senators that, you know, don't want to do 3.5. um, you know, i -- look -- i -- i think that we will do the work we need to do. and i am confident that we are going to get there. >> so, i -- but i mean, that sounds different than 24 hours ago. i mean, you sound more -- and i am sorry to be like parsing your -- your -- you know, each word here but as you know, that's what's happening right now -- i mean, you sound more willing to say, look, we are going to go back and look at, you know, priorities. and 3.5 was our number. it's, you know, you are willing to negotiate. what -- is it specifics you want to hear from -- from sinema and -- and manchin? is it a -- you know, he had given the 1, 1.5 number or, you know, a while ago to dana bash of cnn. what do you want -- is it specifics you need to hear? >> well, i don't think that's the number. i mean, that's not going to be acceptable to us. this is a negotiation. and so, we need to figure out how we are going to get to a number that we can all agree on. but the key thing we were fighting for, anderson, which we feel so proud about tonight is we were not going to leave behind families who need childcare, who need paid leave. people who need affordable housing. people who are committed to delivering real results on climate change. and we are not going to leave behind immigration. i mean, these were the five priorities of the cpc that are in the build back better agenda -- the build back better act, i should say. and there was this push to try to get one bill, the infrastructure bill, which is also important. we support roads and bridges. but it's no good to have roads and bridges if people don't have childcare to be able to get to work. if people don't have healthcare to be able to actually engage in society. and so, what we have achieved tonight is agreement that the two will move, together. that one is not going to pass without the other. the president said that multiple times today. and that we will negotiate as a united democratic party to get to a place where both can pass. and where the president can sign this agenda into law. the agenda he ran on, the agenda we ran on. >> i think it was dana bash was on the program after you spoke last night and one of the things she said is with senator manchin, that many of the things you are -- are really focused on and really want in this. and other progressives do. would actually benefit a lot of people in his state of west virginia. but some of those people have an ideological sort of point of view which is, well, it's too much government. i don't want that kind of level of government and obviously -- and -- and also deficits. what do you say to -- to that -- to that argument? >> well, the polling, anderson, in both republican and democratic and independent districts is excellent on all the components of the build back better act. the -- the reality is that it would benefit a lot of people in west virginia and arizona and across our states. and people know that, and they support it. they want affordable childcare when they can't get it right now. they want paid leave. 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave. that is something that all other developed countries do but we don't. that's in the build back better act. they want housing. they want -- they really want us to take on climate change. i mean, people understand this. >> yeah. >> and so, making sure that we have a real plan when the president goes to c.o.p. in a little bit and has to say to the world, the united states is going to lead on cutting carbon emissions, that he is in the build back better act. so, it is popular. and, you know, that's what we have to continue to emphasize. it's popular with the american people, 70% agree. >> yeah. >> and with, you know, the vast majority. 98% of democrats in the house and the senate. >> just in terms of process, i mean, did the self-imposed deadline set by the speaker, did it make sense? i mean, if the president of the united states has to drive up to capitol hill and essentially tell his party to take a deep breath, you have more time to get this done. does that suggest the party leadership needs to handle this process differently in some way going forward? >> well, look, the speaker was in a tough position because there were nine house democrats who said that they wanted that deadline or they weren't even going to vote for the budget resolution. and that's unfortunate but, you know, these things happen. and so, that deadline got set. and i have said from the beginning -- i think i said it on your show the other day -- that's arbitrary. and the president made that clear today. six minutes, six days, six weeks. we're going to get this done. we need a little time to negotiate. there was a lot of time to negotiate the infrastructure bill, and, you know, there were skeptics like me who said i don't think it's going to get done and i was wrong. i am happy to be wrongs about that. now, we need a little time to negotiate on this build back better act and i believe we will be able to do that. >> congresswoman jayapal, appreciate it. thank you. more now on what's been unfolding behind the scenes. cnn's phil mattingly at the white house. also with us, cnn chief political analyst, gloria originalor borjer. so, gloria, what do you make of what the congressman had to say? >> i am with you, anderson, it's a totally different congresswoman. both, in tone and substance. she heard the president, and i bet she knew what he was going to say before he said it if i had to guess. and we have been watching a very public negotiation where it was 3.5 trillion or bust. and now, she said to you we've got to get to a number. get to a number. she's going to negotiate now. she says they need some more time. nancy pelosi sent out a dear-colleague letter tonight saying more time is needed. the president went up there today, and he said it's, you know, we're going to sink or swim, together. failure is not an option. then, he told some other members it seems like it's $2 trillion. that's what it's got to be. $1.9 or 2. she knows they have got go back to the drawing boards here. and now, the real work is going to begin because they've had all their -- their public fights. and now, they got to go work it out but this was a very different message from her. >> phil, i mean, what -- what the progressive wing -- i mean, congresswoman jayapal has said in the past is, look, we -- we have been willing to negotiate. we -- we just need somebody to negotiate with. and they haven't really been forward about what, specifically, they want. how does the white house, phil, feel tonight after the president's meeting on the hill? >> i feel like if there was one goal going into that trip down pennsylvania avenue it was to serve as a pressure relief valve, right? it was basically to figure out a way to pivot into the moment after this week. this week that was built up to be kind of a be all, end all for his entire domestic agenda. the warring intraparty battles we saw play out in a very public manner over the course of several days and frankly, anderson, a president who for much of the week was never in public. we didn't see him at all except for a brief event on monday morning. and i think that's what they feel like the president accomplished. obviously, you heard from congresswoman jayapal where progressives are. moderates, obviously, are not thrilled by the fact they did not get their vote and they did not get passage of the infrastructure proposal. but what the president was able to do today is basically lay out the parameters of what's going to come next. it's going to be an arduous process. almost certainly, going to be a lengthy process. but it is a process that is now in play. and part of the reason the process is now in play is because over the course of the last 36 hours, senators manchin and sinema have started to lay out numbers. have started to negotiate with white house officials. started to make, i think, a lot of people on capitol hill who were very skeptical where this was headed believe that at least movement was happening. how fast it's going to be? very open question. clearly, missed deadlines but that more than anything else is i think is what the white house is taking away right now. >> the white house is lit up for breast cancer awareness. that's in case you are wondering. gloria, the president, essentially, i mean, he did try to lower the temperature at least publicly. giving space for negotiations. is it clear to you, you know, is this progressives negotiating -- it's not progressives negotiating with manchin and sinema directly. i mean, this is all through the white house, isn't it? >> well, it is and the white house is very involved. and -- and a lot of folks on the hill believe that -- that the president should have been involved more publicly sooner. but, you know, i think if you are a progressive, you could walk away unhappy. and if you are a moderate, you could walk away unhappy. and what the president did was he said, look, we're all in the same boat here. if you fail, i fail. if i fail, you fail. so we have to get something done. that's it. and i think, you know, he sort of tried to focus them. i think they knew this going in. but it was very clear that biden is saying we got to get this done or we're done for. and i think the congresswoman knows that. i think joe manchin knows that. i think the president set out the parameters, and that's what they're working with. and now, they have to go back to the drawing boards and they don't have a fake deadline. they can get it done behind closed doors, and then come out with something that they all agree with. and now, joe biden is going out next week and he is going to try and sell this plan. he's going to tell people what's in it. so if you want to lower your prescription-drug benefits, here you are. this is for you. if you want, you know, childcare, if you want all kinds of things, we are going to tell you what's in this bill now because there are a lot of folks in the white house who believe that barack obama did not do that enough on the affordable care act, for example. and they want to make sure biden is out there. he always says to people who work for him, let my grandmother understand what we're doing. we have to do that, and they believe he's the best salesman to do that. >> phil, is there a general sense of when a deal could be reached? or is this just uncharted waters here? >> short answer's no. i mean, to be honest, we -- there was a point over the course of the last several days where the mantra unofficially seemed to be survive in advance, right? let's get to tomorrow. let's get to the day after. see if we can get to next week. i think you have to think from a purely legislative perspective that drafting the scale and scope, even if it's pared back of what the president wants on this second economic and climate package, is going to take a significant amount of time. not dealing at all with what the top lines end up being, the actual policy, itself. and i think white house officials are very aware of that fact. they want to move as quickly as possible. but if nothing else we have learned this week, deadlines force action. deadlines focus individuals and minds. they don't have a deadline right now. and i think if there's any concern at all, besides the fact that there's still a lot of things they got to figure out here between the two sides of the party, it's that this is -- can drag and if it drags, it becomes potentially problematic. >> you know, nancy pelosi knew that. she doesn't want to let it languish in any way, shape, or form. so it's not going to take a month. i think they got do it sooner. >> gloria borger, phil mattingly, thanks. coming up next, the latest on the killing of gabby petito and search for her fiance. also, what an expert on domestic violence and sexual abuse makes of this video. petito telling a police officer about the violent confrontation she had with brian laundrie, now a fugitive from justice. and later, a former-fda commissioner weighs in on what could be the best covid news since the vaccines. a new drug, a pill, not a shot or infusion, that a drugmaker says is already showing hopeful signs in patients. tonight, i'll be eating a buffalo chicken panini with extra hot sauce. tonight, i'll be eating salmon sushi with a japanese jiggly cheesecake. 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i mean, i'm sure they -- a lot of people thinking they are seeing this person a lot of different places. >> reporter: yeah, absolutely, anderson. it's why i called the sheriff from the county in north carolina to find out how legitimate these are. he said they are getting some reports of alleged sightings of brian laundrie in that area. he also said they are monitoring the social media posts are people are posting about allegedly seeing brian laundrie in that area. but to give you an idea of where this county is, it's about 25 miles from the trailhead of the appalachian trail he said. and then, there is also this mountain to sea trail that runs right through the county. so, the sightings he said or alleged sightings, i should say, were in boone, north carolina, in that county. and also, along this mountain to see trail. now, he is not putting much stock in these sightings. he said it is a popular area for camping and hiking which brian laundrie, apparently, likes to do. but he is taking it seriously, still. he has his social media expert and threat assessment specialist he said who has been in constant touch with the fbi. even as recently as this morning. they are reporting to the fbi what they are seeing online, what the tips are they are getting in and they will continue to monitor it, as well, anderson. >> and i mean, did the sheriff say anything about the area? whether someone could easily hide there? i mean, is that the kind of place it is? >> yeah. i asked him. i asked him to describe the area and asked him that very question. he said it is -- it is a spot where somebody could, quote, disappear. he said it's -- it's very popular with visitors. it's -- there is a lot of tourists there. there is a big university there of about 21,000 people. he also said there's miles and miles of hiking trails where you might not see someone on the trail for days. so he doesn't have the manpower to monitor those trails. and you might not see someone for -- for, as i said, quite some time. so, he is going to continue to monitor what he can and stay in touch with the fbi. >> all right. randi, thanks very. . i am joined now by rita smith, senior adviser on domestic violence and sexual assault or the nfl and vice president for democratic shelters.org. rita, thanks for being with us. certainly, there is obviously a lot of interest around the world in this case. and i think a lot of people, especially -- you know, it's very hard to watch that body cam -- camera footage that's come out because we know that gabby petito ends up the victim of -- of a homicide. i'm wondering what you -- you make of what we know about the police response and what we see in this video in the others? >> well, you know, anderson, i really appreciate you allowing this conversation to continue because i think it's important for us to try to understand what didn't go well in this call. we have to get this right. and so, um, you -- you can't decide who a primary aggressor is looking at just one slice in time. a relationship where there's domestic violence involved and there's a perpetrator and a victim, you really have to understand the historical context of what's happened over the course of time. between these two people. and so, um, i never got a sense that there were questions about has this happened in the past? um, have you been afraid before? what made you so upset? um, that he grabbed your face and tried to get you to stop. i want -- i want to ask questions about what was going on. 6 um, not just -- the -- the sort of things like i hit him first but -- but what else was happening in the context of that day that put her in a place where she was so emotionally distraught that she felt like she had to -- to -- to hit him? >> i think there's been a lot of focus on -- on a particular moment where gabby petito's being asked if -- it if brian hit her. and i just want to play that and so we can discuss it more. >> i was just apologizing. i was like i'm sorry that i get so stressed out because i have ocd. and i was like organizing stuff. a mean attitude but i'm not trying to be mean. i'm just straightening things up and stuff. so i was just apologizing. but i guess i said it in, like, a mean tone and he got really frustrated with me and he locked me out of the car and told me to go take a breather but i didn't want to take a breather. i wanted to get going. we're out of water. >> you know, it it's -- i mean, obviously, look, police have an incredibly difficult job in a situation like this. there was the 9-1-1 call from somebody and thank goodness that person did call police. you know, and -- and that person should certainly get a lot of praise for, you know, that person said they saw laundrie hit -- hit her. um, but, you know, to your point about needing to know the context and the history. is that something that's part just inherently part of training for police when responding to something like this? to ask those questions? >> well, i hope -- yeah -- i hope it is because domestic violence is a very complex, um -- it's a complex case. and so, you can't just look at one particular incident or one time when a victim might have, you know, left marks on somebody. for instance, um, i could be being strangled and i scratched up the arm of the person who is strangling me trying to get myself free and able to breathe again. and -- and frequently, strangulation marks don't show up right away and sometimes not ever. they're subdural hematomas sometimes so you never see marks. but -- but when the police show up, there's somebody with scratches all over their arms so just looking at that one incident, that one moment in time, you say look, this is the primary aggressor, look, he's hurt and she seems to be not. there's no markings on her so we're taking her in. it just -- you just have to understand what -- what else has been going on. and that -- that clip you just showed. my fear is that when she was starting to -- to get upset and she was identifying herself as being ocd -- she may or may not have that diagnosis, i don't know. but -- but at that point, it feels to me like possibly because of some other comments that were made later in this -- the second video, that -- that she might have been just dismissed and diminished and -- and the law enforcement officers' perspective at that point because she is hiysterica. she is not able to take care of herself. i mean, he even made some comments like that to her later -- later on in the call. she wasn't old enough yet. when she got older, she'd be better at making decisions and i just -- i just worry that they're not taking the time to really understand what's happening both now and in the past that could give them a sense of who is really in danger here. >> rita smith, i appreciate your time and your expertise. thank you so much. up next, what could become the first effective pill in the fight against covid. the drug dance maker says it could cut hospitalizations a deaths by half. we will look closer at what it might mean with form were commissioner of the fda. ♪ ♪ every day can be extraordinary with rich, creamy, delicious fage total yogurt. 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>> very significant. this is the most impactful result that i remember seeing of an orally available drug in the treatment of a respiratory pathogen perhaps ever. um, i think getting an oral pill that can inhibit viral replication, that can inhibit this virus is going to be a real game-changer. this drug works by mechanisms that are well understood as other drugs on the market that work by similar mechanisms. basically, it works by in -- inducing errors in how this virus replicates. so as the virus replicates, it makes mistakes in replication and it basically kills the virus. so these are targets. this virus is well understood and the mechanisms by which it replicates are well understood so i think we will get an oral drug that can inhibit -- inhibit viral replication and be taken early in the course of disease to either prevent progression or be used as a prophylaxis. >> so, let's be -- just drill down that a little bit. this could be something for -- i mean, is this something that people who don't want to be vaccinated would -- would gravitate to? i mean, is -- you know, if the argument is -- i mean, i guess, obviously, for those who don't want to be told what to do. that's not a hurdle that this crosses. but who don't want to have a shot. don't want the vaccine. this is not the vaccine. i mean, is this the vaccine in a pill? >> no. this can be used in conjunction with the vaccine. um, and it's not an alternative to vaccination. we still have to try to get more people vaccinated but there's going to be people who get vaccinated who are breakthrough infections and still develop symptomatic disease. they're at risk. there is going to be people who choose not to get vaccinated for whom this can be effective. but it's going to be used like we use tamiflu. people get vaccinated for flu but some people still develop tom attic disease. and it helps mitigate the progression of symptoms in those individuals. this could potentially be used the same way. the bottom line is the mechanisms by which this virus replicates are well understood. this isn't a virus that replicates through complicated mechanisms. there is multiple drugs in development, including one by the company innp i am on the board, pfizer. another one by roesh. i think one or more of these will be effective and it can be a real game changer that it will help people who have breakthrough infections and those who choose not to get vaccinated. i think one of the things that people are worried about is the risk that they could still get a breakthrough infection. >> yeah. >> and develop severe disease. and if there is a pill that they be take, that could dramatically inhibit that outcome. >> just personally, i mean as somebody who has been vaccinated, i -- for some reason, i did not realize when i first heard about this, that this was something that someone who's been vaccinated would take if they have a breakthrough infection. it -- it -- you talk about changing potentially consumer behavior. it would change my behavior. it would make me much more willing to engage with other people. or -- or, i know, do some business or something or get on an airplane if i knew that even if i had a breakthrough infection, there's something i could take that has significant impact. >> i think that's right. i think that the two things that could really change consumer psychology around this virus and make people feel more confident to resume normal activity is getting a vaccine available for children. a lot of people are still worried about bringing the virus back into their homes even if they're vaccinated and they know that they are at low risk of a bad outcome because they are vaccinated. they're still worried about bringing an asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic infection back into the homes where they might have vulnerable children. and then, the idea of having a pill that you could take that if you do a have breakthrough infection, tuk take a bill that can mitigate the risk that you develop more symptomatic disease. remember, the people in this clinical trial were people who had risk factors. that's the remarkable finding in this clinical trial. you saw very profound treatment effect and it was a population of people that had symptomatic disease but also had one or more risk factors that predicted that they could have a bad outcome from covid. the two most common being that they were obese and that they had advanced stage. so to see this kind of dramatic result, this kind of reduction in hospitalization and death in a population of patients at risk for bad outcomes. that's what makes this a really dramatic finding today. >> that's great. just finally, where do you think we are in the arc of this pandemic? hospitalizations and deaths are down across the country which is great news. do you expect that to continue to a point where -- well, i mean, yeah -- i mean, to -- i was going to say where we are close to getting it under control. i'm not sure if that's -- i mean, can we say that? >> well, look, i do think that this delta wave of infection is the last surge of infection that we are going to see in this country, barring something unexpected like a new variant that pierces the immunity offered by vaccination or prior infection. that's really the tail risk right now. but the national averages are coming down that look very encouraging are being driven by sharp declines in the south. you are seeing rising infections in other parts of the country, the west and midwest. so this delta wave is going to sweep across the country in different waves. it's been a regional epidemic all along and certain regions haven't really been affected by it, yet. so we are seeing dense spread right now in the west and midwest. that's going to have to run its course. and i think the northeast still is at risk. right now, we are not seeing rising infection levels as a presumption that the high vaccination rates here and high immunity from prior infection's going to protect the northeast. i think that is partially true but you think we are still at risk to see cases bump up in the northeast, as well. as the weather gets cold and people move back indoors. >> if fascinating. scott gottlieb, really appreciate it. the title of the new book, uncontrolled spread, why covid-19 crushed us and how we can defeat the next pandemic. ahead, victory for families of the victims of the 2012 mass shooting at sandy hook. alg ex-jones who ped ld lies and conspiracy theories about the shooting and attorney for the families joins us next. when we found out our son had autism, his future became my focus. lavender baths calmed him. so we made a plan to turn bath time into a business. ♪ ♪ find a northwestern mutual advisor at nm.com i want to spend time on a story we brought to you last night. a major legal battle won by families of the victims of the sandy hook mass shooting against conspiracy peddler, alex jones. person turned out -- he turned the worst possible tragedy, i should say, for these families into a nightmare. now, before we do, though, we want to pay our respects to the 26 students and educators who were killed that day back in 2012. the people that jones defamed with his lies. there were the children who were killed that day. all either 6 or 7 years of age and there were the educators seen at the bottom of the screen there. again, their loss was the nation's. one of their families will always -- one, the families will always carry and that alex jones call callously exploited. on thursday, he was found legally responsible in two lawsuits for damages caused by his lies about the mass shooting. a texas judge issued the default judgments after jones failed to provide information to the lawsuits brought against him by families of two of the children killed. the jury will eventually convene to determine how much he owes the plaintiffs. i am joined now by kyle fara, the attorney for the families of the two victims who won their lawsuits against jones. kyle, thanks for being with us. um, were you surprised by these default rulings by the judge? because alex jones. i mean, he's had his pattern of refusing to answer court orders or making up excuses for years now. >> yeah, so i don't think i would say surprised. um, it's rare to get something like this where a judge orders default judgments. it's exceedingly rare. we call them death penalty sanctions in texas. um, but there is just been a pattern of abuse, a pattern of just complete disregard for our legal system in these cases. so, there's multiple cases pending here in texas. other case pending in connecticut and all of them have seen the same sort of discovery abuses over and over and over. and at some point -- some point, a court just can't let it go on any longer. and we'd reached that point. so we sought that level of sanctions. it's clear that there was nothing short of that that was going to get us to where we needed to be. >> can you just kind of, in layman's terms, explain what exactly default judgment is? i mean, you have said it's very rare. what it is and -- and why it's so rare? >> yeah. so, what it really does is it doesn't allow mr. jones to put on a defense to liability. so we are going to still go to trial, as you said, about damages. so we'll assemble 12 folks down in travis county in austin to listen to the evidence. and see what type of harm and damage he's caused these parents. but in terms of defending the case on the merits, that's no longer an option for him. so the jury and it sometime works a little bit different but the jury will in essence be told at the beginning of the trial, you are to -- to -- to find -- we have found -- the court has found that alex jones defamed these folks. and we are here only to talk about what type of harm and damage that caused to them. >> and i mean, let's just talk about -- i mean, the damage. because the damage is so sick what this person, alex jones, has been the -- the lies he's been peddling. um, you know, against these families and other -- you know, so many of the -- of the families have had to deal with just complete lunacy on the part of people who have come out of the woodwork. many of them, motivated by the lies spread by -- by alex jones. >> yeah. it is. no question. and i will tell you, anderson, when i got involved in this, i didn't appreciate how impactful these lies are to these folks. to the parents of these kids. i mean, they get death threats. there is a lady who served a prison sentence for death threats to one of the parents. it's that pervasive. it's everyday life, right? so if they are sitting there and somebody walks by their house and maybe looks a little bit funny, they think oh, god, is this somebody alex jones has got in their mind and thinks we are some sort of hoaxers? >> there are parents who have built memorials for their kids or a memorial playground, you know, that have been defaced by people who believe that, you know, their children -- i am not even going to, you know, go into the details of these lies. >> it is -- it affects every part of their life. i mean, you know, it's hard enough to sort of have to relive these things. and um, people fought wars trying to make sure pictures of their kids were taken down off websites where they say these are false flags or these -- these -- these children are still alive. um, that hurts and that's hard. and then, it just keeps going and snowballing and snowballing. and when you are -- when you are -- when you just can't go about your daily business without somebody calling you a liar or saying that this didn't happen. i mean, it's hard enough. they have suffered the ultimate loss, already. and compounding and piling on that, it's unimaginable. >> yeah, i mean, he roped me into this conspiracy saying i wasn't up at sandy hook. and, you know, had some ludicrous glitch in video that he interpreted in some way. um, where is the case go from here? because i mean, from what -- alex jones -- so, he -- is he still set to be deposed? i mean, does he -- or does this just move to the -- the trial phase to figure out damages? >> so i think we're going to expedite the trial phase. we -- we are set for trial in march of next year. we are set to depose alex jones again in october or i guess it is october. october 22nd this year. we still have to do some discovery things. um, we still have to tell our story at trial. um, so even -- even though it's just damages to -- to explain what the damages are and how these people have been affected, we still have to tell the whole story of what they have gone through. i mean, five years of torment by this man. >> does he have assets? i mean, does he have seizable -- i mean, i know he went through a divorce. i am assure he's tried to -- i mean, who knows? he has people who advertise for him so i guess he is making money. >> i assume he is. um, in texas, it's difficult to get what we call asset discovery to figure out how much somebody has that's liquid. or obtainable from a judgment. we have motions out right now to try to get that information. we don't have it, yet. so i don't have a great answer. um i mean, he called himself the -- the greatest -- i don't want to misquote it but the greatest online media mogul of all time or -- or something like that recently. so, i mean, he is at least telling folks that he is got plenty of assets but we will figure that out soon enough. and see where we go from there. >> yeah. kyle, i really appreciate what you -- you are doing and i appreciate you talking to us tonight. and -- and -- and i -- yeah. i appreciate it. thank you, kyle. >> thanks for having us on the show. it's important to tell these folks' story. so i love getting the opportunity to do that. >> i just want to as we go to break, i just want to show the pictures, again, of the children from sandy hook. and the educators involved. we'll be right back. smart inves? 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