reporting by "the new york times" which says he was texting his fbi handler a play-by-play of events during the assault. the times report claims the narrative suggests the proud boys were caught up in mob mentality rather than a coordinated attack. and former reports should always be taken with a grain of salt. still, it raises serious questions about how this will impact the government's case against several proud boy members. i'm joined by arlette and sunderland. what does this times report reveal about communication between the proud boy member and his fbi handler? >> this is really the first time we're hearing of realtime communication happening between an informant, in this case, a member of the proud boys, and the fbi play-by-play description of what was going on as the insurrection was unfolding here at the capitol. now this is according to confidential records that "the new york times" received as well as confirmed from a person familiar and the informant describes how this person met at the base of the washington monument with other members of the proud boys marched to the u.s. capitol and deliberated a little bit outside with other member, trying to decide whether they would go in or not. they ultimately did decide to go in along with many other people near the u.s. capitol. the timeline important here, too. the informant began to first work with the fbi in july of 2020. it was in december when they told the fbi about potential plans for a pro trump rally outside the capitol in early january and they included screen grabs of some online chatter happening on sites. they denied they planned to storm the capitol and that they participated in any violence. all of this potentially gives some fuel to the proud boys defense team here that they have long been arguing they did not plan a premeditated attack on the capitol and one of their lawyers telling cnn just this afternoon in response to the "new york times" reporting from my perspective, this tends to confirm that the proud boys made a spur of the moment impulse decision to enter the u.s. capitol. now in this report, "the new york times" did not name the informant. and previously, a member of the proud boys did confirm to cnn that they had been informant, yet it is not known if this is the same person. pam. >> i want to go over to you at the white house. the january 6 committee is investigating those who may have played a role in inspiring this riot and those sending subpoenas to four of trump's closest aides. mark meadows, dan scavino, steve bannon and cash patel. the committee expects them to show up for a deposition and to hand over documents by october 7th. president biden is not expected to use executive privilege to shield records from being seen by the committee. what's the thinking behind this given the precedent that this could set? >> there is high interest in whether president biden will move forward with allowing that information to be released to that house select committee regarding president trump and his aide's communications around the january 6th insurrection and yesterday, jen psaki said that the president generally does not believe he will need to assert executive privilege to shield these documents from being released. now, the white house later clarified this would all be considered on a case by case basis. but take a listen to what psaki had to tell reporters here at the white house about this yesterday. >> we take this matter incredibly seriously and we have been working closely with congressional committees and others as they work to get to the bottom of what happened on january 6th, an incredibly dark day in our democracy. it's not asserting executive privilege and some of this is predicting what we don't know yet, but that is certainly his overarching view. >> is there something you wouldn't turn over? >> i don't think i'm going to give a hypothetical, but that is what is important for people to know and understand. >> now, former president trump had threatened to invoke executive privilege to keep these documents from being released to that committee, but ultimately, it appears that decision will actually lie with this successor, the current president, joe biden. now, on thursday, the white house said that they were taking the steps making the moves to start providing the committee with the information they're seeking, but this could set up a potential legal fight between the former president, donald trump, and the current president and this administration under president biden. >> all right, thank you both. so what did the fbi know about the capitol threat and when did it know it? that question now raised in the wake of "the new york times" report as we just noted. that says an fbi agent had an informant. according to the times during the capitol attack, this informant was providing realtime updates to his handler. let's bring in former adviser to four presidents, david gergen, and former fbi and cia official, phil mudd, to make sense of that report. phil, does this look like it was standard procedure or a possible intelligence failure? how do you see it? >> i don't see how you could call this an intelligence failure. you have a penetration of an organization that had political intent. that's a really sensitive organization. say nothing happen at the capitol and someone asked you, were you surveilling people who were attending a rally that was led by the u.s. president? that's a really sensitive operation to run. the fact that they had an informant at all to me is significant. the issue i think, if you read the story, that's really important and that a lot of people are skipping over is something that's fundamental in the spy business. that is access. if you have somebody, and it looks like this person does not have access to leadership circles in the proud boys. if you have somebody that's not that significant, they can still tell you stuff like where are they meeting? when are they getting to the city? what are they talking about? what are the kinds of places they communicate on the internet? it doesn't tell me it's an intelligence failure. it tells me they have access to lower levels of the proud boys that didn't represent leadership decisions. that's it. >> of course that raises questions about how much credibility you should lend to really what the proud boys, what they were planning, whether it was premeditated versus a mob mentality the day of the insurrection. the fact this was someone lower level and not someone who would have been involved in planning. david, to you, president biden is expected to way executive privilege to allow the january 6 committee to see certain trump era records. how would you have advised him on this? >> well, i think a great deal rests on what's in the documents. ordinarily, a president would be granted executive privilege. especially anything that's terribly sensitive, but that's a provision and there has been for a long time, that executive privilege can disappear. in in fact there are crimes involved or something very, very serious. we need to know what level these documents were and how believable was the person who was giving the information, the informant. it seems to me on the whole, much of what we've learned in the first 24 hours is tantalizing, but not definitive. it's not clear whether the informant was believed. to go to phil's point. whether they had the credibility inside the fbi to be believed and what some question whether the fbi had gotten the information that this assault was unfolding, but didn't believe what the informant was telling him from the ground. so there are a lot of issues here and i think we'll get to the executive privilege further down the line, i would imagine. when the white house decides whether it has enough that it must, that it should override executive privilege. >> as we heard jen psaki say, they are looking at it on a case by case basis, but the framework going into it is that he's unlikely to assert executive privilege, but phil, i want to go to you now. four key trump advisers have been subpoenaed by the committee. what happens if they refuse to comply? >> the congress has got to sit there and say do we want to go after them legally if they have lawyers who simply say on the executive privilege issue, i had private conversations that are protected because those are executive branch and the president should reveal those. i think this has a long way to go. i would be surprised if they just rolled over. i'm not sure i would if i were them. i was asked questions by the congress periodically and the response was, i can't answer that because it's a conversation i had in the white house. i realize this is a sensitive issue, but do you want presidents down the road saying i can't get clear counsel from my advisers because the congress, particularly opponents of us in the opposite party are going to call somebody and tell them you've got to testify? this is a tough one. not sure what i would do. >> david, the big lie is the backdrop. donald trump will take the stage shortly in georgia. is his election rhetoric just as dangerous today as it was that first week in january? >> in my judgment, we're still on the edge of a cliff here. we don't know which way this is going to go. if we get some -- we don't have anything yet that's really explosive. if we do, it's going to be a big, big deal that's going to be instantly politicized. the republicans aren't taking this too hard because they have other things they're pushing harder on and they're doing pretty well right now. phil and i are in agreement. this whole issue and assault on january 6th seemed to have a long way to go. >> so i want to go to you, phil, for your perspective on what the former president continues to do. just last week, he pressured georgia's secretary of state to reverse his 2020 election loss. this happened while trump is under criminal investigation for just that. for pressuring georgia officials to reverse the 2020 election results. what does that tell you? >> boy, this, i mean this tells me more as an american citizen as somebody who's involved in investigations. let me go to what david says. i don't like drama much, but if you think we're out of the woods yet, i don't think this has anything to do with georgia. i think it's a set-up for 2022 and 2024 for the president to say look what happened to georgia. look what happened to texas, arizona, pennsylvania. our freedoms are being taken away by people who steal elections. we've already seen that he can motivate people to respond to those kinds of intrigues. he can motivate people to assault the capitol. he is setting up with document, including what he's doing in georgia, not for the legal fight in georgia, in my opinion, but to tell people on the stump, in a year, in three years, look how people failed us. if we get failed again, you better show up again and i'm worried more people will show up because the story keeps resognating. >> and now mechanisms are in place in some of these states to easily overthrow the will of the people. reuters had a story after interviewing secretaries of state and the majority of them who were trump loyalists said they didn't believe biden legitimately won. on that note, david, as someone who has advised so many presidents, who cares so much about american democracy, how concerned are you about the future u.s. elections with this backdrop of the big lie? >> i'm very concerned. i think that we're in more, we're in potentially more danger than we were six months ago, a year ago. listen, the bleakest scenario is that all the efforts that are being made now being democrats and republicans on where we're going to go on the economy and pandemic, you know, that all these talks may collapse and we in government may be seen as dysfunctional. the republicans then use this in 2022 to take back the house and set themselves up for 2024. trump could go on as crazy as he is now, he gets crazier as it goes along. you can see all this coming together at an outcome in 2024. if trump were to be re-elected, all hell is going to break loose in this country. on the other hand, if his supporters think it's been stolen from him after 2024, all hell could break loose on that, too. so i think we're in pretty treacherous territory right now and it's going to take a lot of self-constraint and understanding and our political leaders to get through this. >> those are not very good options you just laid out there, david. pretty terrifying. phil, david, thank you so much and heads up. adam goldman who covers the fbi for the "new york times" joins me next hour for his bombshell reporting on the capitol riot crowd. up next, reward money being offered to anyone who helps find brian laundrie. the fiance of gabby petito. we'll be right back. matologists? 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>> we're seeing more activity now than we have all day long of different cars coming in and out. part of that search effort to try to find brian laundrie. now his parent s are the ones wo told investigator that is he came to this preserve about a week ago. last week on tuesday. so more than a week now. and that they haven't heard from him since. last speculation that the parents may not be telling the complete truth. we know the fbi and other vehicles are parked out in front of the home right now following them and keeping a close watch as are so many others. people are driving by acting as, hey, have they found brian yet? so many people are engaged in what happened to gabby petito and where is brian laundrie. but the search efforts today have been really scaled back compared to all of the active we saw here earlier in the week, but interestingly, you don't know what's going to happen with this case from day-to-day because things change. we started in wyoming and then we learned about what happened to this couple in utah. we know that gabby petito is from new york and they're going to have a memorial for her tomorrow. a celebration of life to honor her memory. but here in florida, we saw a man who appeared to be dog the bounty hunter. take a look at the video. that looks like him, right? he's pretty recognizable. we reached out to his representatives so get a better idea of why he showed up at the laundrie house. no one answered the door after he knocked. the man got back into his vehicle, left the neighborhood, but not before police stopped him and asked him a few questions before he was able to drive out of the neighborhood. and that's really what's happening here. there are a lot of different elements. a lot of people with high interest in this case. >> thank you so much. and let's discuss this with former fbi senior profiler and special agent, mary ellen o'toole. good to see you. the search is entering its second week. there has been no sign of brian laundrie. what do you think about this? >> well, i have a couple of thoughts on this. obviously brian doesn't want to be found. but that is if he's still alive and that's always an issue in a case like this. i believe that the law enforcement folks, the fbi and the police have other reasons that they are looking really focusing on that area and it's not only because the parents directed them there. i know there's discussion that maybe the parents purposefully misled the police and that's a possibility. but for them to focus so much on that reserve area makes me think that there are other reasons that they're looking there and not just based on what the parents said. >> we know that the last time laundrie was allegedly seen was on september 14th. that's when his parents say he left their home to hike in the carlto car carlton nature reserve. he allegedly left his cell phone behind. again, police are having to work ou off of a lot of information the parents gave them. what does that tell you, he left his cell phone and wallet behind? >> i think the reasons are pretty obvious that the cell phone, he could be tracked with his cell phone. he probably took some things out of his wallet and just left it there, but if he stopped and he had his wallet and credit cards and drivers license on it, he w would be identified. that would suggest to me he doesn't want to be identified. he's probably made an effort to adjust his appearance. so he doesn't want to be found. to me, this is very important. he will have to be tracking this investigation in realtime. he needs to know where the authorities are looking and what they're doing because if his efforts are to evade police, then he has to know where they are. and i think that under the circumstances, when you're one of the most high profile fudgfu fugitives in the united states, you're under a lot of pressure. you're paranoid. your judgment, your decision making is breaking down. all of that is creating a lot of pressure. >> i want to ask you before we let you go, given your role as a fo former profiler, does anything stand out to you in the police body cam footage taken after the altercation between petito and laundrie in august? anything you can glean about his personality? >> he was in stark contrast to gabby. she was very weepy and emotional and he was glib and seemed to be really relaxed and comfortable. under the circumstances, he's being surrounded by a number of police officers. he was remarkably cool under the circumstances and while she was really so negatively affected by that. so he does have an ability to be cool under stressful situations and he can land on his feet and i think that's probably serving him fairly well right now, but again, the pressure he's under right now to stay one step ahead of authorities is going to start weighing heavily on him and he's already probably making some major mistakes. >> all right, thank you for joining us on this saturday. we plappreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, eight unvaccinated nypd officers now hospitalized with covid. hear the commissioner's plea to officers to get vaccinated. that's next. you're live in the cnn newsroom. can you be free of hair breakage worries? 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i'm talking to family members, multiple rank, i'm talking to you, and your partners when it's too late. when you're in the hospital or you're driving to the hospital and you're having difficulty breathing. right now, we have eight members of the nypd in the hospital. all eight unvaccinated. serious condition. some intubated. some perfectly healthy. one, 23 years old. one person hadn't gotten sick in ten years and we recently lost him. >> in the video as he urges others to get vaccinated, the commissioner also talks about how the vaccine works. saying of the 28,000 members of the nypd who are vaccinated, only 225 have had positive covid tests afterwards, but that not one of them has gone to the hospital. pam? >> thank you. and this outbreak comes as the u.s. beginnis rolling out boost shots for anyone over 65. what the head of the cdc is warning tonight the third dose won't boost us out of the this pandemic as long as u.s. vaccination rates remain so low. look at this right here on your screen. 55.2% fully vaccinated in the united states. so i want to discuss this with dr. rob davidson, he's an emergency room physician in west michigan and executive director of the committee to protect healthcare. doctor, the nypd commissioner is all but begging his people to get vaccinated. with eight unvaccinated officers fighting for their lives in the hospital, but asking nicely doesn't seem to be working. >> no. that story is tragic, but unfortunately it is too common. i look at our hospitals and the system where i work here in west michigan and if we look at people in the icu, over 90% of those folks with covid are unvaccinated people. their average age is under 50. they don't have comorbidities. the folks who are vaccinated are over 75, have comorbidities and now will be eligible for boosters. i think we're so far past. times are critical, need employees on the front lines jobs like healthcare, teachers, police, paramedics, fire. these folks just need to get vaccinated and the agencies that oversee them need to mandate this. i think we're past time asking. we've got to save them despite themselves. >> the mandate is one thing and that's something that's still out there as a question. should you impose more of that because look, in the nypd, more than a third, the commissioner said, remain unvaccinated. these are people in high risk jobs. people you hope would know better. if they're not getting vaccinated, i mean, what hope do we have of reaching others and why do you think there is such a high rate of unvaccination in forces like the police in new york or even among healthcare w workers? >> it's hard to say. i know in our system, the majority are vaccinated, but in my community, only about 42% are vaccinated and people who work at the hospital are really members of the community. i think 99.99% of physicians in our hospital are vaccinated. but you get to other staffers, the people we treat every day and those numbers are lagging. i work in an area that 69% of the people voted for the former president in the last election. that mindset, folks who watch fox news unfortunately, the facebook groups promoting crazy cures and that vaccines will hurt them, that is dominating the thinking. it bleeds into healthcare workers and the police department. these are just members of society getting the same disinformation as everyone else. >> given what you just laid out and the vaccination rate as it stands now, when do you think we're going to reach a point as a country where we just accept covid as sort of the second flu and we can kind of go and lead our daily lives in a way we somewhat did before but maybe with masks and that kind of thing. >> a lot of us are mentally there, but what i will say for folks in healthcare, i'm a public health student, the time is now as well. folks in public health are extremely optimistic. sometimes optimistic in the face of you know, opposition that is unbelievable and so i don't think that we're going to stop trying. you know. i see a lot of discussion out there about the booster discussion and the cdc director recommending you know, boosters for folks who are younger, but are in professions like healthcare, teaching. there's some criticism out there because they say, well, we need to get those unvaccinated people vaccinated. that is true. we have to do both. but we can't just sit by waiting for these people to turn the corner. we have to keep doing the work, but we have to make sure we're protecting healthcare workers. teachers, police officers, firefighters, folks that are out there on the front lines forward facing with the public all the time. you know, we have to do both. but you know, i think mentally, we're all sort of in that in between phase right now. knowing this is going to some day become endemic, but trying so hard to protect people despite themselves. >> dr. davidson, thanks for joining us today. >> thanks, pam. up next, bombshell allegations in "the new york times" that the security company hired by britney spears' father to protect her secretly captured audio recordings from her bedroom. details, next. you are live in the cnn newsroom. cause it was specially formulated to protect synthetics and blends from damage in the wash. like fading, stretching, and pilling. new woolite has evercare, a first of its kind formula that keeps today's fabrics looking like new. new woolite with evercare [crowd cheering] how's sanchez looking? 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>> well, in a matter of just a few days, you have "the new york times," like you said, pamela, came out last night with their second part to framing britney spears. this time called controlling britney spears and you have netflix on tuesday all leading up to this big court hearing for britney on wednesday. in hours, you're going to hear from employees and friends, or former employees, who have never spoken out before. who were scared to speak out, but felt they needed to say something now, in this moment, in this moment for britney. for hopefully this 13-year conservatorship that's been court ordered to end once and for all. so you're going to hear us, too, talking about the control this has had over her life. her privacy. why was she allowed to go on a tour. the circus tour, right after this court puts a conservatorship in place. isn't that really meant for someone who can't highly function? but then britney goes on to produce records and have a las vegas residency and be a judge on the x factor. so we explore that and the conund rum that has been for britney. we also get to speak to members of the free britney movement. people are going to learn a lot. >> you make such a good point. i think a lot of people have been scratching their heads about why would there be a consc conservatorship. she's raking in millions of dollars. and you spoke to some celebrities. >> we have rosie o'donnell, who was the first to sit down with britney when she was a teenager. we have mischa barton. both of these women relentlessly pursued at different times in their lives by the paparazzi. especially that 2000s culture. we're living in a moment now where you're saying to yourself, whether you were a journalist or consumer of the media, of celebrity tabloid culture, do we owe some apologies? because what happened then definitely couldn't happen now. >> right. thank you so much. i'm really looking forward to seeing this. and make sure to tune in to the cnn special report, toxic, britney spears battle for freedom. a capitol hill photo on interrupted. have you seen this? members of congress yelling at each other on the steps of the u.s. capitol. details, next. 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not my proudest moment. but i'm tired of being bullied. i've been bullied at different points in my life. you have to a show a bully you're -- i don't want to see women screaming at each other. at some point you have to stand up to the bully. so much hate she was just spewing hate and filth. and look, i'm not proud. i don't think we should yell at each other. i think we should respect each other. i think we should be civil. but i did not think it was right. >> so when paul f felt ronzak was a young boy he discovered he was kidnapped at a knew born and reunited with his family two years later or so he thought. our kate baldwin has a preview of the unbelievable cnn film, the lost sons. >> as a child paul thought he knew who he was but he did not. at the age of 10 he discovered a box full of old newspaper clippings in his house. >> i started reading it. and it said paul joseph fronzak? i looked at my mom and dad and they looked heart broken and distraught. >> this is about me, right? what is this. >> he said you were kidnapped. we found you we love you. we'll never talk about that again. >> and they didn't. >> but paul couldn't let it go. and years later he embarked on a mission. >> what really happened to me? that's what i needed to find out. >> it all starts in chicago, 1964. that's when paul's mother gave birth to a beautiful baby boy. >> as i was leaving this woman walked in. she was dressed in white. i just thought, she is a nurse. >> but she wasn't. and before anyone knew it, that baby was gone. >> her doctor came in. and he said, mrs. fronzak your baby has been taken. >> setting off a frantic search for the baby and that mysterious women. >> she must have been desperate for a baby that she would come and take someone else's baby away from them. >> but nothing. then 15 months later, a toddler is found abandoned in a stroller on a sidewalk in newark, new jersey. when no one steps forward to claim the child, investigators start thinking, maybe this could be the missing child from chicago. so they set up a meeting with the fronzaks. >> they open the door and the mom said, oh, my god, that's my baby. >> and that should be the happy ending to the story. a family reunited. or so they thought. >> i loved my family and i love my family upbringing. >> but paul could never shake the feeling that he didn't belong. and when he became a father himself questions about his family's medical history spurred him into action. asking his parents to take a dna test. >> he is like, i can't believe it, i'm not the real paul fronzak. i don't know my birthday. i don't know where i was born or who may parents are. >> if you can believe it, that's really just the beginning. cnn films the lost sons, narrated by paul fronzak himself opening incredible doors to his past and raising deep questions for all of us about what identity truly means. >> but there is more. >> wow, what a story that is. the all-new cnn films lost sons premiers tomorrow only on cnn. won't want to miss that. archlts and theks we take to you colombia to meet the cnn heroes. jennifer copas. >> the families we are working with are living in extreme poverty. these areas are so remote that there is no roads to get there. the communities use candles, gasoline lamps. the smoke of the lamps were attacking their health. >> our mission is to provide access to basic services. my biggest dream for the people i work with, that they wake up not just to survive but can take small steps to fulfill their dreams. >> and you can go to cnnheroes.com right now for jennifer's full story and to see her in action. and coming up, next hour on this saturday, a vaccine mandate that was supposed to take effect monday for new york city teachers is now in legal limbo. you're in the cnn newsroom. can you be free of hair breakage worries? 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