communication to try to assuage chinese concerns that trump would be able to start a nuclear war. pier little details the length that trump was willing to hold on to power, a battle plan by george eastman laying out a strategy wrab vice president mike pence would pfacilitate th outcome. and plan was to throw it to the house of representatives where a gop margin would enable trump to stay in office. the senate parliamentarian elizabeth mcdonough reiterated. and dan quayle said likewise. and remember the new berkeley law professor who wrote books for the bush 33 to use harsh interrogation or torture methods. he wouldn't support the idea either. thank god pence didn't go along with the coup attempt but the book has provided a road map for further investigation by the house select committee investigating january 6th. allegations of an unfit president, hell-bent on holding power. no wonder the book has a one word title meaning serious and immediate danger. that's why a seam in the book towards the end is so incongruent. john mclaughlin came armed with a recent survey a survey that showed 73% of republicans wanted to run again. and 82% said they would support him if he got into a primary campaign. these numbers, your numbers, are better than what reagan had. mclaughlin tells him. the pendulum is going to swing back, mr. president, just be patient, hang back and wait and see what happens. and there will be buyer's remorse about biden. to a reader of "peril" the idea seems fantastic a, at odds to the 400 pages that preceded the ant ne anecdote. eight months into the biden administration and no, he does not pose a perilous threat to the nation but a political peril. i am saying that one brought the nation to peril, and the other now finds himself in a perilous place politically speaking. combination of crises has caused the president's approval rating to tank and relief that he hoped to get from passive of a major bipartisan infrastructure deal in jeopardy. first afghanistan, while a majority of americans supported the president's decision to get out the withdrawal was haphazard. and calamitous for 13 of our service men and women. and after a attack that kills americans at the kabul airport, a u.s. drone killed ten afghans, seven of them children. and then the vaccination 47th in the world. 55.1% vaccinated. so other wealthy nation is so vaccine-poor. as a result, we're struggling to put an end to the pandemic. meanwhile the harrowing images from del rio, texas, thousands of haitian migrants amassed on our southeastern border no doubt motivated to make a dangerous trek from a mixed message from the administration over whether the border is open. and france just recalled its zar in protest over lack of consultation after reaching a new submarine pact with australia and britain. against this backdrop maybe it's no wonder that biden's approval ratings have dropped significantly since earlier this year. the three most recent polls show an average decline of 11 points when compared with polls conducted around the 100-day mark of his presidency. according to new gallop numbers released this week, biden's job approval sits at 43%. while the majority 53% disapprove of how he's handled his duties. where he's showing his greatest decline independents. 33% of independents approve his lowest to date, 24 points below his high of 61%. the president, he says he's unconcerned. >> remember, i said it's going to take me a year to deliver everything i'm looking at here. that's number one. number two, take a look at what i inherited when i came into office. this is a process. and it's going to be up and down. that's why i don't look at the polls. not a joke. >> relief was hoped for at the white house, with the passage of a bipartisan $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill which would fund overdue repairs to america's bridges rail and broadband but there's a stalemate between moderates who want immediate passage of that bill or progressives who want biden to go bigger or they might go home. biden's political pier little pleasing to the man in bedminster. which brings me to the question at smerconish.com, the dip in biden's approval rating is that normal fluctuation or something more permanent? joining me is david axelrod cnn political commentator, host of the podcast the ax files and of course senior advisor to president obama. david, thank you so much for being here. when you look at the numbers, the biden polling numbers, what is it that you see? >> well, i think you summed it up pretty well. first of all, thank you for your oration there because it makes me so much happier to be sitting here with you on a saturday morning than sitting in the white house, where i have flash backs from some bad summers that we had. look, there's no doubt, he had a great spring. and he had a very tough summer. and you see the impacts of it. and some of the reasons that this numbers have gone down are self-inflicted wounds. some are are things that you can't control. and that is part of being president of the united states. but, you know, the movable part in our electorate are independents. we're so tribal that democrats tend to stick with a democratic president. republicans tend to oppose him. the opposite is true when we have a president of the other party. but in the independents are important. and he has lost a lot of ground there. and i think, you know, part of it is he ran on this notion of competence, of experience. of sure handedness. and it hasn't looked that way at times during the last few months. and if he passes these bills, i think that will help steady the ship. but, look, we're a closely divided nation, michael. and this is going to be a long, hard slog for him, and i think it would be for any president at this juncture. >> if you were back at the white house, what is it that you would be saying to the president? >> well, i'd be saying a few things. one is get ahold of covid communications. i think that part of -- you're right, vaccinations has been a real challenge for him. i think the fact that they've become so politicized has been really deeply problematic. but another part of that is just communication. the fact, you know, we jut saw it again on the booster shots. there hasn't been a clear, consistent message from his covid team. about -- and by him. about what to expect, about what is needed. about how we're going to move forward. i think that's been a big problem. he has to fix that. he has to pass these bills for sure. if he doesn't pass these two bills, the infrastructure bill, the reconciliation bill that are being debated right now in washington, it's going to be a very tough go, particularly in the midterm elections which are going to be hard anyway. he's got to tell a clear, consistent story about the priorities he's pursuing. and how they affect people's life. and if he passes those bills, he'll have a lot to talk about. and then he has to frame the choice. you know, he always quotes the old quote about don't judge me against the almighty. judge me against the alternative. well, the alternative that republicans are presenting right now is a pretty ripe target. we saw it last week in the california recall. and you know, they provide a great contrast, because they're very extreme. and i don't think independent votes embrace the kinds of things we've seen out of texas. they don't embrace some of the resistance to anti-covid tactics. so, you know, he's got steps he can take. but it's hard. and i'm not going to sit here, having been there, and say, gee, you know, if you just follow these four steps everything will be great. these are -- these are tumultuous times. >> a final point. i notice that you used the plural -- bills. both those infrastructure packages. do you see them equally? because some think there's far more political peril in the 3.5, given the price tag? >> well, if all the discussion is about the price tag then i would say yes. if it's about -- if it's about, you know, early childhood education, prekindergarten, if it's about lowering drug prices, if it's about making health care more accessible and affordable, if it's about, you know, child care -- i'm sorry, child tax credit. it's about specific things that impact on people's lives i don't think it's perilous. if all it is, this is what republicans would like, if all it is about the size of legislation, the cost of the legislation, then i think it's much more perilous. >> david, thanks so much. it's great to have you. i really appreciate it. >> always good to see you. thank you. >> so, as david discussed it's a kitchen sink of a congressional bill and much of president biden's agenda riding on it. the $3.5 trillion package that democrats have wrestling with for weeks. joining me now to discuss democratic congresswoman from the great state of pennsylvania christie houlihan. a member of the bipartisan problem solvers caucus. congresswoman, thanks so much for being here. you heard my conversation with david. how is this about to play out? uh-oh. i'm not hearing the congresswoman. hang on one second -- hi. >> there we go. >> you're back now. thanks so much. what's about to unfold? >> you're welcome. thanks for having me. these next few weeks are critical for the administration and for the promises made to the american people and for the reasons why americans voted en masse for president biden and his administration. so, i do believe that these two bills are very, of course essential for that. i do believe that in order to restore the promises that he's made, we have responsibilities to make sure with deliver on those two bills. i'm hopefully, frankly, they'll be able to be out bipartisan. the infrastructure bill passed with 19 republican votes and if the proportion of the house would be to be mathematically formulated, 80 republicans to be in support of that infrastructure bill. as mr. axelrod reflected, the second bill, the build back better bill, is a litany of really important investments for the american people. and that's indeed how president biden elected, the platform on whichle he was elected. >> the president for reasons i just articulated i think politically speaking he needs a win. is he going to get the $1.2 trillion win on monday? >> i don't know exactly if it's going to be monday. certainly, i and a number of my colleagues have been working very, very hard for the past week and a half to to make sure he holds to, and the speaker holds to that guarantee that we will hold to that piece of legislation this week. i'm hopeful it would be monday. it's certainly something we're asking for and i think it's a step in the right direction for investment in fracture, and hard infrastructure. >> congresswoman, it's like a game of chicken between the moderate and house caucus and more progressive. i guess we're waiting to see who buckles first. your thought? >> so, good people can disagree on where to get to where we're going. i think it's important to understand how important it so get the second package across the finish line. i think if i learned anything in washington is that it all looks like a disaster until it's not. i think we all understand how important this particular piece of legislation is, right now, as we see this in the budget committee being nonprofits marked up, and hopefully, we'll have the opportunity to see that piece of legislation on the floor. potentially as early as next week, but probably a little farther from that. >> a final point, i think david made i wise political observation that the 3.5 is denied by its number and not by its component parts then it's a losing argument. you get the final word. >> i completely agree. what's in that bill, again, we're making sure we're messaging how important those are in schools in children, in health care, in greening our economy. although those kinds of things are very popular, bipartisanly popular with the american people. and this is an investment with the american people like none other made in recent generations. hopefully, we can message how important that is. >> it's going to be an interesting week. thank you so much for being here. >> you're welcome. thanks for having me. >> what are your thoughts? tweet knee @smerconish. i'll read them throughout the course of the program. what do were have? dems who vote for the pair will stick and stay. but independents have left the building. rotten ralph, funny handle, those where they're suffering the most, will they come back? i agree with what david axelrod had to say. it was a good spring for the president but a difficult summer coming to a conclusion. and he needed that $1.2 trillion thatmen mcconnell was among 17 or 18 republicans in the senate who voted. politically speaking, take that win and keep moving. we'll see, maybe progressives have more sway in the house caucus than problem solvers. one more from twitter. one thing to say in response to your opening commentary trump 2024. well, joseph, and bob costa is about to be here. it is amazing, that this book. and this is my thinned down version. don't get me started. my prep strategy. but this book is had 00 pages long and it's a totally shellacking of donald trump. then you get to the final portion, and you've got john mclaughlin, the pollster going in and saying to trump, hey, this is looking pretty good for 2024. there will be buyer's remorse for trump. which is belied in the first 400 pages and then here we are to an extent. to an extent. remember, i want to know what you think, go to my website @smerconish.com. the dip in president biden's approval rating what is that, normal al fluctuation or perma? 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and where is this heading? joining me now is scott galloway, professor of nyu stern school of business, podcast and author of "post corona from crisis to opportunity." professor galloway, are you seeing this manifest in the classrooms, in other words, does it camp you by surprise? >> yeah, it doesn't catch me by surprise because it's incremental. absolutely more women then men. sometimes, you walk in a class and numbers are 2 to 1. the numbers are even more incremental, michael, because men drop out. for every man that graduates from college there's going to be two women. this is becoming overwhelming. college is becoming the domain of women and not men. >> so, i've got three sons in their early 20s who are big scott galloway fans. it seems like you've been able to tap into -- >> go on. >> -- no, listen to me, it seems like you've been able to tap into this demo. what's goi ggoing? what's driving this? >> simple, the product has gotten better. we're so drunk on luxury we haven't expanded enrollments. so it's like i'm going to get rejected for something that i might have to pay a mercedes prize for a hyundai. and quite frankly, opportunities for men at that age are greater than that of women. you can walk into a construction site in florida, you can turn on an app, cop, fireman, at the age of 18, if you can make 200 bucks a day that feels like real cabbage. the opportunities are greater for men of that age. and it seems like, quite frankly, our role models whether donald trump or elon musk disparaged the same for college. and it's gotten more expensive and more opportunities for american at age of 18. >> you remind me my brother said to my nephew graduating from high school. i can buy you a backhoe or i can send you off for four years and it's your choice. and he thought about it. let me give you a different explanation. this is from doug belkkin from t"the wall street journal." he said social science researchers cite distractionsnd obstacles to education that weigh more on boys and young men including video games, pornography, increased fatherlessness and cases of overdiagnosis of boyhood restlessness. >> he's on to something there. seven out of ten valedictorians are girls. the comment you made about a hoe. i don't know about you, i was offered a trans am if i didn't go to college. and i liked it. here's the problem, michael, what we don't talk about the existential threat to society. we have mating ine the four women significant that success with a college degree. so you're going to have the most dangerous person in the world say broke and a alone male. and we're producing too many of them. the mating inequality that is going to come out of this dearth of men in college poses an existential risk to our comment and our society. >> there was a book that came out a few years ago called "mary smart." the argument was in you're on a college campus, take advantage of the work that the admissions office has done for you in limiting mates. you're obviously thinking it through. what are the long-term implications beyond the classroom for what this holds for society? you get the final word on that. >> the bottom line is we on the left like to think that men and women are exactly the same. they aren't, they're different. including in mating preferences. in reality, college graduated women aren't interested in mating with men who don't have college degrees. if you look at the most unstable violent societies in the world, they all have one thing in common. they have young depressed men aren't attaching to work, aren't attaching to school, and aren't attaching to relationships. our inability to provide the resources to encourage men to go to college is going to result in us producing too many of the most dangerous cohort in the world. america is about acceptance. michael, you and i are here talking to each other, when we applied to college, ucla had a 70% admissions rate not a 14% admission rate. >> thank god lehigh university took a chance on me. >> thank you, professor. i appreciate it. >> thank you, michael. >> let's see what they are saying, maybe because they don't want to get anywhere from $30 to $300,000 in debt. hunter, it's the same for men and women why would it cause men to go in a different direction and not women. he answered that question. because guys have alternatives in the trades. listen, if you are in the trades where i live, you can make a hell of an income because they're so in demand. if you're a skilled painter, if you're a skilled carpenter. if you're a skilled electrician, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, you're going to do extremely well. why not go that route, instead of being saddled with all of that debt? 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>> it's clear keith kellogg, the president's national security add viedzer was with him in the oval office. chief of staff mark meadows. some trump family members, ivanka trump were there we recognized in nine months of the reporting, it's not just about january 6th, january 6th was the culmination of a campaign. a lot of activity on the part of president trump. what we're trying to figure out not just his reaction, watching the riot, the insurrection. but what was he do doing, especially the day before, january 5th, pressuring meek pence one-on-one. and calling in aides like scavino trying to find a way to get lawmakers to do his bidding on capitol hill. >> yeah, i thought ivanka would probably be at the top of the list because of her repeated exchanges with him. for me, the most shocking revelations from the book, john eastman and the memo. who is he? and what is the memo? >> this is so important because it's not just about grievances over the campaign and the election. that were driving the discussions ahead of january 6th. there was actual documentation. as we say in our reporting ranks, we have receipts here. there was a memo from john eastman a conservative legal scholar. it wasn't just circulated to vice president pence and his staff. it was put right in their hands, one-on-one, face-to-face. on january 4th, two days before the insurrection, john eastman, president trump stands with vice president pence in the oval office and pence's lawyers. president trump says to pence. listen to john. listen to john. try to read this memo. follow this guidance. and this memo shows president trump wanted vice president pence to throw out elect tours on january 5th to essentially throw the election to the house of representatives where president trump would have a very good chance of winning because the way the constitution works, the party that has the most delegations in the house could then win the presidency. that's what president trump wanted to actually have pence help him take the election away from biden. >> here's what i'm thinking, that heretofore in the media, no doubt because of the visuals, our attention has been focused on the breach of the capitol and the violence that ensued. what we've been missing and what "peril" brings out what was at play behind the scenes. by the way, was violence a part of the plan? was violence a part of what eastman and others around president trump were anticipating and hoping for? >> eastman's memo doesn't anticipate violence, to be sure, careful read does show he does predict chaos is going to happen. he writes something to the eck, chaos will ensue. democrats will be up in arms. it's also important to pay attention to steve bannon who in our book reports he was talking to president trump not only on early january, january 5th, on the eve of the insurrection. but in late december. there's one part in the book you got to really the whole part to get the concept. bannon saying get back to washington. you know what will president trump did on can december 31st. he comes back, skips the mar-a-lago new year eve's party. you can see him getting off of air force one, looking very stiff. an action to change the country and the action. >> hey, babe, it's quite jarring to go through 400 pages of what really is an indictment of president trump and what was going on and to get to the mclaughlin briefing last june in bedminster where he says, you know what, your numbers are looking pretty good. and there's going to be buyer's remorse about biden. quick from you? >> nicken throws his hands in the air, gets on marine one and goes on to california. that's not the case here with this presidency of donald trump. he's trying to come back and talking to pollsters like john mclaughlin. and his campaign manager says privately if he runs against it will be for vengeance. >> robert costa, thanks so much for being here. >> thank you, michael. >> let's check in on tweets and facebook comments. what do we have? he didn't bring the nation to peril. what does that even mean, the media just hated him. mr. mckidney, read the book. there was a move afoot. forget what took place with those who breached the capitol on january 6th, because that's gotten all of our attention up until now. what you need to know, behind the scenes there was a methodical approach undertaken to completely throw out the result of the democratic election of united states. initiated by whom -- the sitting president of the united states. that's because the media hates him? no, that has nothing to do with the media's like or dislike. the eastman memo that says here's our road map and pence is going to be our guy has nothing to do with the media. i want to remind you to ask the survey question. the dip in president biden's approval rating what is that, norm al fluctuation or permanen? 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do we know? >> reporter: well, michael, that is still the big question. i think that is something that we'll learn during the independent investigation by the moab police department. so, you get a call that comes in, what was relayed directly to officers, did they know that the report was laundrie was slapping petito? because as you mentioned, the police report that the moab police officers filed shows that petito was the abuser. and that laundrie had visible markings and bruisings on his face and body that they believe came from gabby petito. so it's the exact opposite of what that 911 caller called in and said what was going on that got this whole thing rolling. so this part of the country, moab, utah. this is a small police department. they're not used to a big national attention or scrutiny. and so this will be something that they'll have to contend with. how their officers handled this, especially now since it's gotten attention. as you mentioned, utah is one of those states someone has to be arrested. you want to look at this in two ways. people who are for this legislation or loss that happen in a different state say this is an opportunity for an abuser -- for a victim to get away from their abuser. if you have someone who is being abused, trapped in that situation, police come after a call. they take the abuser to jail. they're arrested. and then the victim has a moment to escape. free themselves out of that situation. but then there are other people who look at this law and say, maybe no one needs to be arrested. maybe they had a heated conversation. things got out of control but it's not a situation where someone needs to go to jail. either way, there is a little wiggle room for the police department. but there are certain circumstances in the state of utah, like if the police believe that the victim was likely to be assaulted or abused in the future, then that would be grounds for arresting someone. so, this is all something that should come out in this independent mess. that's happening in moab, utah. i'm here in florida right now, outside of the carlton nature preserve, because brian laundrie's parents said this is where he was going last time they saw him on tuesday. so, we have multiple states, michael, involved in looking for what happened to gabby petito and trying to figure out where is brian laundrie now. >> n nadia, that was a great report. i'm not looking to shift it away from who i think is the bad guys. and not lay it off on the cops. but we need to know were they told we have a domestic incident or told we got a guy slapping a woman and chasing her up the street. make sure you're voting on the surge have a question @smerconish.com. ♪ wednesday, payday♪ ♪ thursday, payday♪ ♪ friday, payday♪ ♪ saturday, payday♪ ♪ sunday, payday♪ ♪ ♪ payday, payday♪ ♪ ♪payday♪ for people who could use a lift new neutrogena® rapid firming. a triple-lift serum with pure collagen. 92% saw visibly firmer skin in just 4 weeks. neutrogena® for people with skin. ok, let's talk about those changes to your financial plan. bill, mary? 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