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of specifics makes it clear there's a lot more work to do. i'll talk with a key players in these negotiations. cdc divorce just endorsed giving phiers boosters shots for ages 65 and up and many with underlying medical conditions. stand by for details on this breaking story and what happens next. we want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer, and you're in "the situation room." ♪ we begin with the migrant crisis at the southern border and growing criticism of the biden administration's policies. cnn's rosa flores is in del rio, texas, where thousands of migrants have been camped out. first, what are you seeing on the ground tonight? >> reporter: wolf, dramatic pictures, a dramatic change here on the ground. i want to go directly to live drone footage, because that is the story tonight. as you look at these pictures, you'll see the area right next to the international bridge, which was peppered by handmade huts, that has been leveled. heavy machinery was brought in, as the number of migrants waiting to be processed by u.s. immigration authorities begins to dwindle. i was here a week ago when the first tends went up. i saw them from the air. we saw as the numbers in this camp swelled to more than 14,000. well, today officials say there are just over 3,000 migrants waiting to be processed. now, all this as dhs announces the suspension of horse patrol. here in del rio after those controversial videos were released by news media, showing border patrol agents on horseback, using aggressive tactics against migrants. wolf, i should add, according to dhs, those incidents are being investigated and that investigation is ongoing. >> rosa, i know you've had a chance to speak to some of these migrants who have been able to actually enter the united states. what are they telling you? >> reporter: i've been able to talk to haitians who are speaking in spanish, and in portuguese, because they spend so much time in south america, in countries like chile and brazil. they say they've been there for several years, some of them two to six years. they say that the situation in those countries got so bad they decided to come to the united states, but wolf, i've got to tell you, despite everything these migrants are going through, many of them smiling, saying they're glad to be in america. wolf? >> rosa, thank you very much. i want to go to haiti as more migrants are being deported there. cnn's melissa bell is in p port-au-prince for us. what are you hearing them tell you? >> reporter: we just heard from rosa flores, she's been speaking to the lucky ones. the unlucky ones found themselves on their flights. many didn't know where they were headed, and as they arrive, heartbreaking stories of many years in other countries tries to raise their families and make ends meet. some of these not anymore haitian. many of the children flown back, in fact, bearing other nationalities, the country to which their parents had fled. for this haitians that had left years ago that was also facing grinding policy, gang violence, political corruption, they are coming back to a country where it's gotten worse. nearly 1500 haitians returned, they're trying to help authorities ramp up the efforts, four flights arrived in haiti today, two in the north of the country. they expect more flights, a greater number of flights each day. so far back -- by the by the resigning u.s. special envoy, possibly illegal by the refugee agency. far from backing down, the biden administration appears to be ramping things up. >> let's discuss what goes going on with the alejandro my ayorka. thank you for joining us. i know you have a lot going on. i understand the department of homeland security says that 1400 have been -- how many have been released into the united states? >> we have indeed removed approximately 1400 people from the del rio sector. we accumulate our statistics on a monthly base, and of course we will publish those as well. the individuals whom we release and place into immigration enforcement proceedings are those, for example, with acute medical conditions, a specific vulnerabilities, or if our operational capacity so dictates. it's very important, wolf, tounder score the fact that this is not a matter of immigration policy, but rather this is a matter of public health policy. we are applying the law pursuant to an order that the centers for disease control issued, in light of the fact that this country and the world is in the midst of a pandemic. we are exercising that authority, as we are required to do, to protect the health and well-being of the migrants themselves, our personnel, local communities, and the american public. >> i take it 1400 have been sent back to haiti. there's a local organization shep migrants that say more than 1,000 have been released into the united states. is that right? >> well, what we are doing is we are continues to remove individuals. we have moved people from del rio to other processing centers along the border, to ensure the safety and security of the individuals, and to facilitate the removal process. those individuals who are not able to remove by reason of their accuse medical conditions, we place in immigration enforcement proceedings or address or operational capacities as need be. we very focused on applying the public health laws that we are obligated to enforce. >> can you give us a number, how many have been allowed to stay here in the united states, for whatever reason? >> we believe it is a very small percentage of the total that assembled in del rio, texas, and that will be removed. >> what does that mean? about 15,000 have shown up. i take it 1400 have been sent back to haiti. what about the rest? >> um, wolf, if it's 10% or 15%, i don't have the precise numbers. i assure you it's a minority of the individuals for the reasons that i have articulated, and they are placed in immigration enforcement proceedings, where they are able, where they appear before a judge, and if in fact they made a valid claim to remain in the united states, then of course we honor that. if not, they are removed as well. >> i'll read a quote from the resignation letter -- i will not be associated with the united states' inhumane, counter-productive decision to deport thousands of haitians and illegal immigrants. how do you respond that the policy is inhumane and counter-productive? >> well, first of all, let me say we don't use the term illegal immigrants. i issued a policy in the department of homeland security. we use the term non-citizen, to respect the dignity of every individual as a preliminary matter. secondly, i will defer to the state department. that's a matter within the state department's province, but let me say this. having been in government service for more than 20 years, i'm aware of the fact that some people have policy differences, and i respect and acknowledge that fact. i respectfully and vehemently disagree with what this individual, whom i do not know, articulated. we have a relationship with the government of haiti. we are exercising the public health imperative, as defined by the centers for disease control. we are surging resources not only here domestically at the border, but also in haiti, to ensure that the needs of the individuals whom we return to haiti seare addressed appropriately. usaid has surged resources. we're working with the international organization for my grates with the haitian government, and we are addressing the needs by devoting resources to them. >> i understand you're committed to speeding up these deportation of these haitians, but this special envoy also said this, that he cannot enforce the forced infusion of migrants lacking food, shelter and money without additional human tragedy. does the biden administration think it's safe to send these migrants back to haiti where the situation has deteriorated so rapidly in recent months and years? >> well, what i wish the individual had done is stayed with the cause of addressing the needs of individuals all throughout the western hemisphere, and dedicating the resources and the talent and the energies of the men and women in the united states government to rebuild our humanitarian relief capabilities just as we are doing now in the biden/harris administration. we have surges, i said, resources to not only del rio, not only to the southern border, but to haiti itself. >> are you personally comfortable, mr. secretary, with sending these haitian migrants from the united states, from the border with mexico back to haiti? >> wolf, let me share with you the efforts that we have made, because we studied very carefully the country conditions in haiti, and in light of the country conditions that existed earlier in the year, we made a determination that humanitarian relief should be extended to individuals here, resident in the united states, of haitian origin, who were unlawfully present, but who could not safely return to haiti. we issued the lawful order of temporary protected status, which probed relief to those individuals who were resident in the united states prior to july 29th of this year. that is very important. that is a very important date, because smuggling organizations are deceiving vulnerable individuals south of our border, and trying to coax them, exploiting them to take the perilous journey, which will not work. we have since july 29th, studied the conditions in haiti, and determined that we can in fact safely and humanely return individuals to that country, working with the haitian government and devoting the resources that i referred to earlier. there are many countries, not only in our hemisphere, but in the world, that don't enjoy the conditions of the united states of america that we have rebuilt in this country. we are mindful of that. but we made a determination, based upon our study, that we could do what we were doing in exercising the public health imperatives that i have spoken of. >> mr. secretary, i know you've got to run, but we are grateful for the time. we'll continue this conversation, for sure, down the road. thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you so much, wolf. let's get reaction right now. the haitian ambassador to the united states is joining us. mr. ambassador, thank you for joining us. let me get your reaction to what we heard from secretary mayy yo c mayorkas. >> i respectfully understand the laws, and we do have to respect that, but the only thing we are asking is to respect the dignity of any person, but that's the most important issue, the dignity and their rights. i believe in every society, someone has due process, and those are values that are being -- in the united states for years. so that's what we are expect from the united states. >> well, i ask the question, then, do you think the u.s. is treating these migrants along the border with dignity and respect? i ask the question, because the u.s. special envoy, a person you know, has resigned, citing what he calls deeply flawed and inhumane u.s. policy toward these migrants. first of all, do you agree with his characterization? >> i think i will leave -- i understand the situation from ambaam bass court foote, but what occurred at the border of del rio, was unacceptable, heartbreaking, but i -- the swift decision, that i believe the horses are not meant to be used there, so i think we need to understand there have been some very swift decisions, and unfortunately those images will be left for some time to come. so we do hope the u.s. authorities will continue to work on that and make sure that the treat reserved to migrants already more humane. >> as you know, the biden administration is ramping up the deportation flights to haiti, but haiti, as you know better than i do, is still reeling from a decidedly earthquake, a presidential assassination, the pandemic, and much, much more. is the special enjoy, the u.s. special envoy right that haiti right now simply can't handle these returned migrants? >> yeah, because the situation is a really dire one. we need to acknowledge that economically, and when it comes to security, but i know authorities -- haitian authorities are working very hard to make sure that we create conditions for haiti to not leave haiti. but the most important thing is those people, they are seeking a better life s. opportunities, but this could probably be the moment for the united states to rye 'says or conditions, how we create more jobs and more wealth. those people will have jobs and probably less interested to risk their lives through that perilous trip, but we do hopes that this situation, everybody, haiti and the united states, will get a lesson from that. >> so, bottom line, mr. ambassador, what is your message to president biden right now, amid this cried? crisis? >> stop looking at heighti on a humanitarian advance, i believe there's no initiative -- let us make it something dynamic, but helping us resolve the security situation, by strengthening our national police, and make sure that we have a stable condition, where we have can have an investment to create more jobs, and people will get jobs and stay in their own country, but as long as there isn't any opportunity, people will want to leave their own country and seek a better life. that's my message to the u.s. administration. >> ambassador, thank you for joining us. good luck to you and to all the people of haiti. i appreciate it. just ahead, congressional democratic leaders are now touting what they call a framework to pay for president biden's infrastructure spending plan. no details yet. we have the agenda that remains in peril. trading isn't just a hobby. it's your future. so you don't lose sight of the big picture, even when you're focused on what's happening right now. and thinkorswim trading™ is right there with you. to help you become a smarter investor. with an innovative trading platform full of customizable tools. dedicated trade desk pros and a passionate trader community sharing strategies right on the platform. because we take trading as seriously as you do. thinkorswim trading™ from td ameritrade. - [announcer] at southern new hampshire university, we never stop celebrating our students. from day one to graduation to your dream job, that's why we're keeping your tuition low for the 10th year in a row. - [student] the affordability and the quality of education, it can be enough to change your life. - [announcer] as a nonprofit university, we believe in making college more affordable for everyone. - southern new hampshire university, it was just amazing experience. - [announcer] find your degree at snhu.edu. with quality that's guaranteed for life, bath fitter doesn't just fit your bath, it fits your high standards. why have over two million people welcomed bath fitter into their homes? 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that remains something we still don't have the answer to. >> ryan, thank you very much. let's discuss right now with a key player in all these negotiations, democratic congressman josh gottheimer. he took part in president biden's meetings with moderate lawmakers yesterday. congressman, thank you for joining us. i know you say you're optimistic on infrastructure and the bigger spending plan. what needs to happen in the next three days to make that a reality? >> i share the speaker's optimism, that we're going to get there monday. we have an historic piece of legislation coming to the floor monday for consideration on infrastructure. as you remember, it came out of the senate with 69 votes, all 50 doesn'ts, elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, joe manchin, and, of course, 19 republicans, including leader mitch mcc mcconnell. so you realize how much support this is. this is roads, bridges, tunnels, climate resiliency, broadband, so many things that matter to jersey and the country i'm from. the support at home is enormous. it's 2 million jobs a year. we all agreed to vote on this bill on monday to bring it to the floor, and we're also, wolf, to the speaker's other point, working around the clock as well on reconciliation. that's the other package. both are so important to the president's agenda. the first one, i know everyone will be there for the president. the speaker says she'll get the votes. no one is better than speaker pelosi at doing so. i'm optimistic. >> i know you said the $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill will be a big win, but it won't necessarily be a big win if the progressives in the house do as they promised to and vote against it unless the $3.5 trillion package is at the same time also approved. if you don't have a deal by monday, are you ready to delay the vote on infrastructure to reach an agreement on the bigger reconciliation package? >> wolf, i believe we there have the votes. i believe, as the speaker said, and as i've seen her do, there's no one better at getting the vote. i know steny hoyer, who talked to today who was part of the agreement that we all supported to bring this critically important infrastructure package to the floor on monday. we'll do it, we'll get the votes, and we'll keep working on the incredibly important reconciliation package. that's where you hear people working around the clock. i'm going to another meeting in a minute about that. so we're going to get both done, but first we have to focus on the two separate pieces of legislation. the first one on physical infrastructure we'll get it done on monday and keep working on the reconciliation package. i'm optimistic it will all come together. no democrat is going to vote against the president on fill infrastructure on monday. i just don't see it. >> but you know, maybe 45, maybe 50 progressives have already said they're not going to vote 2309 infrastructure package unless the bigger reconciliation package is passed at the same time. it doesn't look like they could get both ready by monday. >> we can't afford any democrat to vote against the president's historic infrastructure package on monday. you're talking about 2 million jobs a year, rebuilding or roads, bridges, crumbling rail and transit, and so many resources for climate resiliency. new jersey just got hit so hard by hurricane ida. in new jersey we have the third worst roads, and the gateway tunnel between new york and new jersey. there's so much on the line. we'll get there, as the speaker said, we'll all unite and get it don't on monday, but we're also going to keep -- this is what i've been saying and my colleagues have been saying. we're going to keep working on reconciliation. you know, that bill is not written yet. it's sitting in the house waiting for consideration. we can get it to the president's desk next week and get behind it in a bipartisan way, and then of course we'll get reconciliation done. >> very quickly, congressman -- >> yeah. >> -- do you have a commitment from nancy pelosi that there will be a vote in the house on monday on the $1.2 trillion infrastructure plan, and you can work about the bigger spending bill down the road? do you have that commitment from the speaker? >> she publicly said it on august 24th, and has continued to say it. yeah, i have -- listen, we all voted for it. every democrat in the caucus voted to bring it to the floor. i know she'll help bring it across the finish line. there's so much great momentum. the president and our country need it, so we're going to get it done. >> thank so much for joining us, thank you. there's more breaking news we're following here in "the situation room." the fbi fbi has issued an arrest warrant for brian laundrie in connection to the homicide of his fiancee. we'll have a live update on the manhunt. that's coming up next. is always there with them. so when their windshield got a chip, they wanted it fixed fast. they drove to safelite autoglass for a guaranteed, same-day, in-shop repair. we repaired the chip before it could crack. and with their insurance, it was no cost to them. >> woman: really? >> tech: that's service you can trust, when you need it most. ♪ pop rock music ♪ >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ let's go walter! after you. walter, twelve o' clock. get em boy! 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the issue of a federal arrest warrant? >> this is huge, wolf. now it's opened up to every law enforcement officer in the united states of america. he's got a warrant on him. he's got paper on him, and now serve it. if you see it, if you see him, serve it. then it can also bring in the u.s. marshals. i mean, you're going to get the cream of the crop now able to aggressively search for this suspect. it's a good thing, a great thing. >> you know, paul, with the issuance of this warrant, this officially now becomes a manhunt, doesn't it? >> yes, it does. it becomes a nationwide manhunt. of course, we all know underneath this charge of using a debit card illegally is really a very serious homicide investigation. i think when we get the final autopsy reports on tuesday from the medical examiner, we'll know a lot more about the details concerning how gabby petito actually died. >> you know, anthony, we had this new video of laundrie's appearance returning home this afternoon. do the parents have specific hard questions they need to answer. they knew he was gone for days and didn't alert authorities. >> i don't know how deep the parents are in this incident. they have a right. they can be silent. they cannot incriminate themselves, their son, but honestly at this point, it doesn't look good for them or their son, whether he is dead or alive. this is not good. i'm also suspicious of the story that they told of the vehicle going to the park, and them picking it up, or whatever they want to say. i'm definitely, definitely skeptical of everything that they have done thus far. >> what about you, paul? >> yes. you know, i think they now have a lot to worry about. before this warrant was issued, their son was not a fugitive from justice, even though every newspaper and television station in the country has been talking about the case. there were no criminal charges pending against him. now that he is a fugitive from justice, anything they do to help harbor their son and prevent his arrest could lead to criminal charges against them, so it does increase the criminal exposure of the parents. paul and anthony, thanks. there's other breaking news coming into "the situation room" tonight, new information about a mass shooting near memphis. police say at least one person is dead and at least 14 are injured after a gunman opened fire in a kroger grocery store. one employees describes running to co-workers to hide, as the gunman continued to shoot. first responders found customers and employees hiding in a freezer and offices. the gunman is also dead. please believe he shot himself. there's more breaking news ahead on the sometimes messy vote by cdc advisers on who should get a covid-19 booster. and the best part? 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>> look, the cdc narrowed considerably who is available for a booster based on a recommendation that came out fda. they rejected some aspects of the advice by its own advisories committee, and came up with conditions that i think could be difficult to implement, and could stall access to patients, especially patients who already face obstacles. the cdc director has discretion to adapt this guidance or change it in certain ways, but if it gets implemented, you have a situation where a 30-year-old with an underlying condition could be available, but a 64-year-old who lives in an assisted facilities who doesn't have any underlying medical conditions wouldn't be. i don't think that was the spirit of the fda that intended. this is the first time i've seen them diverge so quickly, and it calls into question whether in the setting of a global public process, should we have brought them more closely together so we could get alignment from the outset. >> that's a good point. you say the fda will likely change its booster guidance as it gets more data. dr. fauci, by the way, agrees with you. why not approve bloosers for everybody right snow? >> i think the cdc and other public health officials aren't convinced the data in the younger population supports the booster. the cdc seemed to affirm that 65 and above is agreed. but they said people who are at risk at severe outcomes from covid, even from 18 and up shoos eligible for booster, including people also with occupational exposures, like healthairplane workers, or schoolteachers. what tlepd here is they don't believe people age 18 to 50 should be eligible. below that age you would have to get some kind of certification. what they said is if you get a boosters between the age of 18 and 49, it should be subject to some additional risk/benefit. and the recommendation for administration boosters for people at risk of a severe outcome, just through virtue of their occupational exposure, cdc firmly rejected that advice. that was a recommendation from the fda panel. >> i know they were just considering pfizer, but what about americans who received moderna or the johnson & johnson vaccine? it seems those who got pfizer, it's a bit unfair. >> part of the givings is the cdc panel is the fda is not in a position to recommend you can mix and we have some foreign data that suggests the vaccines can be used interchangeably but not american data. that was part of the cdc, perhaps if both vaccines would have come out in a different place. pfizer got the vaccine in front of the fda sooner. their vaccine got authorized more quickly. i'm on the board of pfizer. moderna is a bit further behind. that could change the recommendation. >> a lot of people are hoping that happens. thanks so much for joining us an thanks for writing this excellent brand new book, uncontrolled spread. why covid-19 crushed us and how we can defeat the next pandemic. state department victims of what's called that havana syndrome. that mysterious havana syndrome being denied care access to care at a top u.s. facility. we'll share it with you when we come back. is your family ready for an emergency? you can prepare by mapping out two ways to escape your home, creating a supply kit, and including your whole family in practice drills. for help creating an emergency plan, visit safetyactioncenter.pge.com a little preparation will make you and your family safer in an emergency. a week's worth of food and water, radio, flashlight, batteries and first aid kit are a good start to learn more, visit safetyactioncenter.pge.com concern about the lack of care for some of victims. the senators concerns are directed at the state department whose overall handling of the cases is being called into question. the state department under growing pressure tonight to do more to help staffers who are suffering from a mysterious i illness. the so called ed havana syndrom. some state department victims have been denied by the department itself, access to be treated at the walter reed military care center. quote, despite their request to be seen at walter reed. >> diplomatic personnel, state department personnel all over the world sacrificing themselves and their families. if they are injured on the job, they need to get the same treatment that everybody else gets. >> reporter: this comes at a critical moment. the woman the state department tasked with getting to the bottom of this, ambassador pamela leaves her position after only six months and amid questions over the task forces handling of the probe. a state official says she was always slated to serve only six months. there's new you are general is si -- urgency to investigate. a visit by vice president kamala harris was delayed when several u.s. personnel reported symptoms and two had to be medevaced. when bill burned travels to india, a member of his team reported symptoms and had to receive medical attention. an incident that set off alarm bells within the u.s. government and one source said left burns fuming with anger. >> the fight the cia director was on a visit to india and a member of his team was targeted is definitely sending a message. the message is we're not terribly afraid of the consequence, whatever those may be. >> reporter: it's called havana syndrome because the symptoms started with diplomatic officials in cuba foive years ago. >> many of us have said, such getting injured, we wish we had been shot. >> reporter: who or what is the perpetrator. et could be russia or china but that's largely circumstantial. state department officials have not respopdsed to the letters complaining about the lack of access to walterulter reed for department employees. they are working to address them including blashing team of medical experts. >> good reporting as usual. thank you very much. to our viewers, thanks for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." you can follow me on twitter and instagram. erin burnett outfront starts right now. next, break news. police at the scene of a -- some employees forced to seek cover in freezers. one is dead at this time. 14 others have been rushed to the hospital with what officials are calling very serious injuries. the fbi announcing an arrest warrant for brian laundrie and the biden white house removing to release information on what trump and his aides were doing on the day of the january 6th attack. that information going to congress and setting up an epic battle with trump. let's go outfront. good

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