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push progressives to support the $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure deal passed by the senate. cnn's lauren fox joining us live now from capitol hill. we're a week away from the deadline to fund the government. the president as we know working frantically to save his economic agenda and that's the big question, what is that plan b? >> reporter: well, let's break it down. there is really two crucial dates. like you said, it is one week until the government runs out of funding and that is the must pass legislation that democrats are still grappling with, how to get through the house and the senate. now, it is already passed the house of representatives, but it included an increase in the debt ceiling. republicans in the senate saying they are not going to vote to support that. so if democrats want to make sure that this government stays funded, what they have to do is likely strip out the debt ceiling increase. and as we know, the treasury department has made clear that the date is coming up for when the country will reach its borrowing limit, but there is a little more time, they estimate that date would be sometime in mid-october. so if democrats then pull out the government funding bill, republicans and democrats would likely be able to come together to fund the government. but that's a lot of moving pieces, a lot of votes that have to happen, a lot of things that have to fail first before we can finally get to a vote on just funding the government. and it is not clear yet whether or not democrats would actually break up the debt ceiling and the spending bill or if they would keep those two things connected, potentially daring republicans to shut down the government. so a lot of moving pieces on just that one deadline. then you have the president's bigger agenda over infrastructure and that social safety net. like you said, biden met yesterday with several lawmakers and it was about four hours of meetings. and the intention of those meetings was never to get a deal in a couple of hours, but really to try to understand what do progressives want, what do moderates want and coming out of the meetings, i think they're very entrenched from the moderates and the progressives. like you said, there is a disagreement over the top line money number, how much democrats are really willing to spend on the president's economic agenda and right now there is no indication that there is going to be a compromise anywhere in the horizon. now, the deadline is september 27th, that's next week for when the speaker promised her moderate members she would bring that $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill to the floor. progressives threatening to vote against it unless there is more progress on that broader social safety net bill. right now, it is hard to see where that progress is going to come from. but, look, a lot can change over the weekend, a lot could change today, the talks continue, but, again, we're crunching right up against those deadlines. erica and jim? >> who blinks first, that's the question. lauren fox, thanks so much. a stark warning from a bipartisan group of former u.s. treasury secretaries, they caution that waiting until the last minute to raise the debt ceiling increases the risks of, quote, an accidental default. >> cnn chief business correspondent christine romans joins us now with more. they're warning this would be disastrous. there is a lot of real concern here. >> yeah, this is not something to trifle with, not something to use as leverage, but it is and it has been many, many times, and it is a dangerous game to be playing. that's what the former treasury secretaries say, both republicans and democrats, here on this list. and they say even a short-lived default could threaten economic growth, it could roil markets around the world and zap economic confidence, it would hurt the economy. what happens when you don't -- you don't raise the debt limit? you have to operate the government, the country on the money that is coming in. and that's not enough. that means you have to prioritize the bills you're paying so you can't pay social security checks for 50 million people, can't pay the troops, can't give the child tax credit can't go to people's bank account. it matters. and this is about america stiffing its creditors, not paying its bills. here is what the former treasury secretary larry summers said a few moments ago. >> you can debate how much we should spend, how progressive taxes should be, what we should do about the corporate tax, there is plenty of stuff you should debate. but nobody should be debating whether the united states is going to pay its debts back or not. >> again, this is paying the credit card bill for what congress already spent. by the way, congress under a republican and a democratic president. this is what has already been promised. >> we have been up to the brink before and pulled back, right? are the markets betting they reach agreement? >> i think the markets are betting they reach agreement. but they have been privately lobbying mitch mcconnell, the house minority leader, not to mess around with this and he's apparently unmoved. they're worried about the unintended consequences of getting too close of the treasury department having to start to pull back on some of its payments and then that creating something -- unintended consequences in the global market we don't know about. that's the risk in the near term. >> it is frightening to think about and the politics at play here when there is so much at stake. >> debt ceiling we raised it 60 times since world war ii. they do this, you know, over and over again. they need to talk about what the debt ceiling is really for if they're going to blow through it all the time. if you're going to have spending restraint. i've never seen spending restraint in my career of covering washington. and the economy. it is just too bad that they start talking about it always at the last minute when it could really hurt real people. seniors, the troops, working families. >> absolutely. christine, appreciate it as always. thank you. lawmakers are putting a lid on bipartisan efforts to overhaul america's policing laws. president biden now slamming senate republicans, considering a new path forward. this is after six months of failed negotiations. >> jeremy diamond joins us now from the white house. you remember there was a real push and real hope of bipartisan agreement, particularly in the wake of floyd killing and so on, it didn't go anywhere. is it done? >> reporter: well, it certainly seems in terms of any kind of bipartisan legislation going forward until the $202 2022 mid, it is hard to see how it could get through congress. this has been going on for months between democratic and republican lawmakers. and what they said essentially in ending these talks was that while for some time they were making progress in the last several weeks, they were essentially getting further and further apart. so now the question is what can president biden do. we saw him yesterday release a statement, essentially criticizing republicans for reject kwhing what he called mo reforms and what he made clear is that while he would prefer to see legislation pass, he believes that this moment demands some kind of action. so what we're going to see is the white house in the coming weeks consulting with those democratic lawmakers who are working on this, consulting with civil rights organizations who have been working on this, and looking at the path forward and seeing if more executive actions might indeed be on the table and that's certainly something that president biden suggested in this statement yesterday. keep in mind, also, that civil rights organizations have been growing increasingly frustrated with the white house as what they view as their priorities versus the priorities president biden outlined during the 2020 campaign. they have not seen progress on voting rights. they have not seen progress on this police reform. so there going to come a lot more pressure to bear on the white house to actually do something substantive, even if it is at the executive action level and not via legislation. >> jeremy diamond, thank you very much. well, u.s. is one step closer to rolling out booster shots for some of those vaccinated with the pfizer shot in particular. the fda authorizing a third dose for people 65 and older, adults at high risk of severe disease, also adults whose jobs put them at risk of infection such as healthcare workers. >> cdc advisers need to weigh in, they're meeting again to do so. the cdc director is expected to sign off. let's bring in dr. leana wen to discuss. always good it see you. you wrote in an op-ed this week, the cdc should let americans decide for themselves if it is their risk level really that puts them at a place for a booster shot. is the cdc guidance then on this still relevant? >> well, it is relevant, but i also think the cdc needs to be very clear about what their role is and isn't. as in the fda is the regulatory authority. the fda has already weighed in and said that these booster doses, the third pfizer dose is safe and it is effective for people over 65 and people who are at high risk. it would be highly unusual and i think would cause a lot of chaos if the cdc were seen to be overruling the fda. what they should be doing is if they don't fully agree even, they should make the difference between allow and recommend. they could say, for example, they would recommend that the initial people to get the boosters are people over the age of 65. or healthcare workers or certain frontline workers, but then they should say that they can allow boosters for people who consider themselves to be high risk. i just worry that the cdc is going to be too prescriptive. who is to say that let's say a 28-year-old who has renal disease and heart disease and maybe a teacher working in a school where kids are not masked, we should allow that person to decide that they are high risk enough that they should be getting the booster and i hope the cdc has this permissive attitude today rather than being overly prescriptive with a recommendation. >> should we look at this big picture as a for now decision? in other words, this will be in stages that eventually the guidance will be that everybody needs or would benefit from a third dose? >> yes. i think the evidence is increasingly clear that immunity does wane over time, the vaccine may be a three-dose vaccine, it may be a vaccine we have to get a booster once in a while, not once every six months, but maybe once every year or maybe once every ten years like we do with the tetanus vaccine. at some point, it is going to be the recommendation that everyone is going to need a booster dose. i do think it is reasonable to start with the people who are at the highest risk. they were the individuals who first got the vaccine, also, nursing home residents, healthcare workers and so forth. so they have already hit that six-month mark. i think it is reasonable to start the rollout with them and then to as more evidence comes in also to recommend boosters for the entire population. >> also want to get your take, you've been really outspoken in what works in terms of mitigation efforts, especially you talk about this a lot as a parent of two young children who are not able to be vaccinated, you talked about the importance of masking. dr. scott gottlieb was on "new day" earlier this morning talking about when masks may be optional in school settings, what that scenario would look like. take a listen. >> i think we're going to have to get to a point where the vaccines are widely available in schools. so schools aren't inherently safe environments, but they can be more safe by taking proper precautions. masks is certainly one tool. >> so getting to the place where vaccines are widely available in schools, is when he says we could probably see masks go away. when did you think realistically that would be? >> yeah, i generally agree with dr. gottlieb. i agree masks are a very powerful layer of protection. but it is one layer. and if we have so many other layers that are present, masking may be one that could go away. but i would say that let's say a school where it is -- or a particular class, everybody is vaccinated in that class, and also the level of community transmission is declining, i could imagine that situation being where we remove masks because we have all these other layers. or if we have rapid testing, imagine if every child and teacher were tested every morning, and also they're vaccinated, you can imagine that situation, even if there is high levels of community spread that maybe you can remove masks at that time. but we are nowhere near that yet and i think what we really need to do is get the vaccines, authorized for children as soon as that is possible and also really ramp up testing. because that is a powerful tool that we are just not using across the country as we should be. >> yeah, it will be a huge step when it happens. dr. leana wen, thank you very much. the u.s. special envoy to haiti has just resigned. he calls the deportation flights of haitian immigrants, migrants, imhumane. hear what some said about their treatment after they landed in port-au-prince. dive teams back in a florida swamp today looking for brian laundrie as we learn new details about an argument he reportedly had with his fiancee in the final days before she was killed. and republicans and democrats storming out of a classified briefing in afghanistan. we'll get reaction from congressman adam kinzinger himself, of course, afghan war vet. frequent heartburn? 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>> reporter: so this witness' name is nina angelo and she tells cnn that she and her boyfriend were inside this restaurant when she saw gabby petito visibly upset along with brian laundrie who appeared very angry during this incident between the two of them. she said this happened at a tex mex restaurant called the merry piglets in jackson, wyoming, which is located on the south -- the southern end of the grand teton national park, and she described seeing laundrie just getting really angry with the hostesses and staff inside and so much so that the waitress that nina angelo says was serving her and her boyfriend was also visibly shaken from the incident. here she is in a post on instagram talking about this commotion. >> they were fighting with the hostess. she was hysterically crying and she walked out and she was crying and she was standing on the sidewalk and i was watching the whole thing unfold and he walked back in the restaurant and he's fighting with the hostess. i didn't know what happened. i don't know if they got kicked out. they left abruptly. she was standing on the sidewalk crying and he walked back in and was, like, screaming at the hostess and walked back out and he walked back in, like, four more times to talk to the manager and tell the hostess off. >> now, the manager of the restaurant also telling cnn without wanting to be identified that the fbi was notified as a result on wednesday after seeing the human remains being recovered on sunday. the fbi declining to comment on this, citing privacy reasons. this incident apparently happening on august 27th. that is the same day that gabby petito's mother described receiving an odd text to police from gabby petito. and this is believed to have been the last communication from her daughter. and, of course, three weeks later she turns up dead. so here we are, again, at the carlton reserve, here in florida, 25,000 acres continue to be searched for brian laundrie. yesterday the underwater dive teams arrived. turned up nothing. they're back at it again, they're saying they're going to cover or try to cover every acre here. back to you. >> 25,000 acres. that is a lot of ground. amara walker, thank you. the city of moab, utah, investigating how their police officers handled a possible domestic dispute between gabby petito and brian laundrie. this as the incident that happened on august 12th, the one you're seeing video of, this is about two weeks before petito was last heard from. >> police pulled over the couple after a witness called 911 and said they saw a man slapping and hitting a woman. here to discuss the case former fbi agent brianna fox, associate professor at the university of south florida. good to have you on this morning. i wonder, there seems to be a pattern here prior to her disappearance, lots of public arguing between the two of them. police pulled them over once. when you look at the police response to this prior to, do you see them having missed red flags here? >> well, research shows that we are at highest risk of violence and even homicide by somebody who is our inner circle as compared to a stranger. so that means that police would obviously want to be taking all of these incidents very seriously, but at the same time, they did intend to separate gabby and brian, make sure they were able to cool down, so i do think that this is worth an investigation. >> amara laid out for us this incident that happened reportedly on august 27th at this restaurant in jackson, wyoming. this very public disagreement between the two, the way that brian laundrie's behavior was described in public. when a person acts like that in public, not just in private, does that give us some insight into how they might be in private? who they may be? >> great question. and, yes, it does. if they're like that in public, it really shows that he's unable to control his emotions, and it could be even more severe behind closed doors. and that new evidence along with the police body camera footage is some of our best indication of what their state of mind was and immediately leading up to gabby's disappearance. so when all of this is put together, we're starting to build this picture of what may have been motive and at least state of mind in this couple before she went missing. >> so there is an enormous search now under way, 25,000 acres in this reserve, not clear exactly why they believe, why they keep returning there, they stop and start again. but can you tell us, the fbi does this, right? they're very good at finding people. tell us what goes into a search like this at this point? >> yes, and the fbi is very good at finding people. and they leave no stone unturned. everything from digital evidence, forensics, even small hairs and fibers that may be left behind, all of that is being collected, analyzed, put into this case together. they're making absolutely sure they're combing even the cell phone tower records, trying to see if there is any way to ping his whereabouts, license plate footage, anything they can put together to understand the timeline of where brian was going, who he's relying on now, for support, and where he may go in the future because he may not be able to stay there forever. >> are you surprised at all there has been -- we heard this call for anybody who may have seen or heard something, and clearly it has been met with a response, right? we now know about this incident at the restaurant, we're hearing more about the couple that picked him up when he was hitchhiking, but at the same time, are you surprised that we're not hearing more about the time when he was back in florida? >> well, we also are hearing a lot about the information that is relevant. there may be some information coming in to police and the fbi that maybe is not necessarily relevant. and so they're having to sift through all of that. i'm sure that there is some things being held behind that they're not telling the public and that's to protect the case integrity. i think as this keeps playing out we're going to find more information about people who may not have even known that they saw something that was relevant and as we keep giving media coverage to this and hopefully additional missing persons cases, people may be aware of things that can help lead to the investigation being closed. >> very well are things they're not sharing as many folks will is a lots people watch television, right? if someone is still on the run, they might then get clues as to where and how the police are searching. good to have you on. thank you very much. >> thank you. just in to cnn, more fallout on the crisis at the southern border. the u.s. special envoy to haiti has just resigned citing what he called inhumane decisions to deport thousands of haitians. we'll be live in the area coming up. we're also moments away from the opening bell on wall street, stocks looking for another day of gains after the dow and the s&p snapped their four-day losing streak. investors happy the federal reserve is ready to roll back the massive stimulus just yet. but it could start tapering assets later this year. this is how you become the best! 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of this. what did the envoy say? >> reporter: it is an absolutely damning indictment of the policy that has been put in place with dan foote who has been in place for a couple of months now saying he didn't want his name associated with what he described as a counterproductive and inhumane deportation policy. that's something really we have seen reflected in the voices of those migrants we have heard that have been deported. what happened at the airport itself after those shocking scenes we saw tuesday and the chaos in the tarmac, authorities sealed off the airport to keep journalists from getting in. it is a steady trickle of migrants you see coming through as single gate at port-au-prince airport, telling tales of horror, many months spent crossing latin america, we spoke to one man who had been through 11 countries, he said, had to climb over the bodies of dead migrants, drunk the water from where they lay only to find himself at the border of a country where things got even worse. >> translator: when we arrived in the u.s., the authorities put us on a bus and sent us to jail and said we would be relieved in two days. they put chains around our feet, stomachs and hands, they put us in cars and took us to the airport. there were haitians working on the plane who told us not to resist because there with many soldiers on the plane and they warned us that otherwise we would be mistreated. >> reporter: those migrants that come through the gate, carrying $100 they have been given, a styrofoam container with a hot meal and a bag with their meager belongings, what is left of them, and for this, for haitians who vice presihaven't been in t for many year, they fled a country many years ago they now find themselves forced to be returned to without due process along the way and a country where the situation has gotten even worse and in that letter from the u.s. special envoy also a reminder of the situation here in haiti, a country he says that is mired in poverty, hostage to gang violence, and where american officials are confound to compound so violent has the situation become, a situation that has worsened still, jim, since the murder of the haitian president back in july. >> yeah, so much happening there. melissa, appreciate it. josh, i want to bring you into this now. u.s. border patrol i.c.e. opening a new facility in laredo to try to deal with this crisis. what do we know about that in terms of what it may actually help, how much it could relieve? >> reporter: we have seen the buses coming and going here at this migrant camp, which is, of course, under the del rio international bridge. the buses come in caravans to try to remove migrants from the location to other parts. i'll take you live over that bridge right now in our drone feed. you seat buses there parked, they will load people up and bring them out, we're learning now about this new detention facility that is being set up for processing this is going to be in laredo, according to the mayor of laredo. they're expecting to set up a tent processing facility, processing, i said detention, i should say processing. that will entail one to one and half a thousand people brought there per day. we're told the processing of each person should last about 12 hours. so, again, this effort by border patrol to remove migrants out of this area gets them to other locations where they can determine whether people are claiming asylum or whether they need to be returned to their nation of origin. this happens as we're learning new information about efforts by customs and border patrol officers here at the border to seek assistance from their bosses, we're learning back in june agents here were requesting additional resources during the summer, they were seeing an uptick in the number of migrants coming across the rio grand, requesting assistance. we're told they didn't receive a response to many of those requests and one item they were asking for is something as simple as an ipad that would help agents on the ground quickly process people as they come to them. according to emails that cnn obtained, the border patrol union here emailed border patrol management saying, i'll read part of this, this way with the ipads we can at least get part of the process finished before they even get to the station instead of wasting that time. we're told that a number of days went by, they didn't receive a response from management, finally receiving one sentence response saying this is being explored, several other platforms are being considered, which are more efficient. so ayel lot of the agents expressing frustration they weren't receiving resources. very tough situation here, not only for the migrants who are facing these tough conditions, but also the agents themselves who are requesting assistance from their bosses and didn't receive much of what they requested. >> josh campbell on the border, melissa bell in haiti, thanks very much. multiple lawmakers on both sides of the aisle 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frustrations, bipartisan frustrations boiled over in a classified afghanistan briefing. sources tell cnn that multiple lawmakers, democrats and republicans, stormed out of a meeting on tuesday accusing officials of failing to adequately answer basic questions about the number of americans still in afghanistan. joining me now is republican congressman adam kinzinger of illinois, he serves on the foreign affairs committee and is, of course, himself a veteran of the afghan war. thank you for taking the time this morning. >> thank you. >> i wonder, given the back and forth on the number of -- or estimates of the number of americans still in afghanistan, are you kconfident that the bidn administration knows how many americans are still there? >> i don't know. you know, i don't know if they know the number, if they're, you know, kind of intentionally skewing that. it has been very strange that we keep hearing, and this is bipartisan, this is not some, you know, attack on the administration, bipartisan level, we're hearing that constantly on the one hand you hear something from dod, something different from department of state, and some of these groups, you know that are these veterans groups working these issues, you know, will come to us and say, look, state just pulled permission for a flight to take off and in one case because somebody was on tv critical of state. that's why we're frustrated here. not just wanting to throw gratuitous attacks, but we don't have answers. and frankly state -- the department of state should be responsive particularly to members of congress on these answers. >> who do you blame for that? is it the state department? is it the white house? >> well, i mean, you know, the buck stops at the top, of course, president biden. but, you know, looking more deeply into it, secretary blinken didn't give us appropriate answers. i've sent official letters to ask how many people were even pulled out of afghanistan. the details. how many did we do versus our ally partners, et cetera? we have no answers on that. and, you know, on the one hand i can be sympathetic too. there is a lot going on. but on the other hand, i mean, it is october, almost, and we still don't have answers. there are americans that are at risk. and in the meantime, we still don't have a commitment from the department of state that they're not planning to recognize the taliban. which, you know, committed an armed coup against the legitimately elected government of afghanistan. >> and many thousands more afghans work for the u.s. military and government there who are under threat as well. i want to ask you this, though, do you believe that the u.s. should send forces back in to the country to help manage the evacuation here, given that as you mention, they basically outsourced this, right, to unofficial groups, veterans, et cetera, who are bearing the brunt of the workload right now. >> you know, i think at this moment, no. i think we do need a counterterrorism capability we simply don't have in afghanistan. but in terms of the reintroduction of forces, that comes with a whole different set of kind of shock and awe with that. i think there are a lot of options to use besides that. we have allies in the region. i think we have leverage with the taliban. that leverage isn't that we're going to give them a ton of money and recognize them as an awesome government, that leverage is, you know, you need to work with us to protect the people that we made a promise to or there will be a cost to you. trust me, the taliban know that they have never defeated the united states on the battlefield. they can only hope to outlast our will. so there is a lot we can do, including, by the way, there is still disparate afghan forces outside of afghanistan that we can be supplying and also the northern resistance force that -- the group of resistors who are resisting the taliban. that's an important point to keep in mind. >> let's move on to infrastructure. axios is reporting this morning that house republican whip steve scalise told republicans, gop officially whipping against it, encouraging members to vote against it. it has got bipartisan support, as you know, passed the senate with 19 republican votes. why? why is the gop and the houseworkhousework i against this, is this a mistake? >> it is a mistake. i think we need to allow members to vote on a bipartisan bill as they wish. there is concern, of course, with what you're seeing on the democratic side where progressives are saying we have to pass the 3.5 trillion before we can even talk about this 1.5. really the infighting now, the focus is on the democratic side between the moderates and progressives. i think on our side, though, yeah, members of the republicans that want to vote for the bipartisan bill, you shouldn't whip against it. i think there will be a number of people joining me. >> debt limit, another game of chick within america's credit worthiness. will you vote to raise the debt limit? >> yeah, i mean, look, right now we're in this kind of weird game. so, certainly i'm against the united states defaulting on the debt. when it comes back to us, i would intend to vote for it. what happened two days ago, i had every intention as well as a number of republicans to vote for this, what is called clean continuing resolution and debt limit. what happened, though, is the progressives were upset because there was a billion dollars to replenish the iron dome, a defensive weapon to israel that we use too. and nancy pelosi acquiesced to that, pulled the iron dome funding from that, and made it basically a partisan moment. so it is going to end up coming back to us. i do not believe america can even play around with the debt limit. but my goodness, to my democratic friends, quit, you know, having to constantly go to the, gee, we can't support israel in this, and actually work to get some republican votes. there is a number of us that would work with you. >> but if your back is against the wall here if you're not happy with everything contained in the bill, if you're given the choice to raise or not to raise, will you raise the debt limit rather than pushing the u.s. to the brink there? >> oh, yeah, absolutely. the date we're hearing is still kind of early october for that kind of no kidding moment. and, look, the more debt we have as a country, the more imperative it is we raise the debt limit early because, you know, debt matters, but debt will super matter when people lose faith in that debt. >> absolutely. markets are watching. congressman adam kinzinger, thank you for joining us this morning. >> you bet. thanks. still ahead, a fiery school board meeting turns parents against educators over mask mandates in florida. >> you need to step up and shine your own [ bleep ] light! this is ridiculous! >> turn off the microphone. watch the language, ma'am. >> we are live in palm beach next. that's a nice truck. yeah, it's the chevy silverado. check out 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